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On August 16 2009 19:33 SilverskY wrote: I have no clue how FlaSh won that game though. Seriously, he's seriously a Magician. He was on the defensive much of the time, but apart from the early harssment, Iris didn't actually get to damage his eco at all.
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sAw
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Tasteless and SMD are confusing people with their ultra bad commentary. So many mistakes -.- Don't get me wrong, I love them, but this...
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51456 Posts
On August 16 2009 19:35 thopol wrote: Seriously. Fuck the Handsome Nerd. Every time I hear that I feel like disfiguring myself.
his constant plugging is fucking annoying. if he does the same shit at blizzcon i'm going to lose much more respect of him.
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On August 16 2009 19:36 motbob wrote: If Iris had gone 2fac instead of fac port, do you guys think he would have won that game? Ha, yeah that's pretty much what I meant just now.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
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On August 16 2009 19:36 SilverskY wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2009 19:34 sAw wrote:On August 16 2009 19:33 SilverskY wrote: I have no clue how FlaSh won that game though. Seriously, he's seriously a Magician. He had 2 CCs to pump scvs, iris didn't do enough damage. Then Iris lost every single small skirmish mid map, and flash positioned his army very nicely and took 1 expo more than iris. Money surplus accumulated, iris got run over. Not that complicated. Yeah I mean just from the beginning impression of the game. When FlaSh lost all his vults, and his rines, and all those SCV's. And then the Wraith follow up. It looked to be a sure win for Iris.
Yeah it always looks worse than it is when you fast expand and your opponent goes heavy pressure. As long as you don't lose your natural CC and keep pumping SCVs (which Flash did), your opponent has to do a TON of damage to make up for the cost of the Starport, Wraiths, Cloak, AND late natural, because you just keep making 2X SCVs and money isn't really the issue at the time.
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sAw
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Hope Iris takes next game so we can see game 5.
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haha flash.... i thought his early greed was going to cost him like it usually does... i was surprised at how iris just gave away half the map for flash to macro out of given his early tank advantage.
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United States42699 Posts
On August 16 2009 19:36 Klive5ive wrote: The biggest mistake Iris made was not utilising his tech. He sacrificed macro for tech, but didn't gain enough from it.
He decided to go 1Fact1Port but the port did nothing for him. If that initial attack was backed up by the units from an extra Factory he may have won straight away. Agreed.
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If I pause the GOMPlayer, will it still be buffering? I mean like youtube, if your stream isn't good enough, you will have to pause the video for a while then watch it later. I don't mind watching the game a couple of minutes later seriously, rather than having hiccups every fucking minute.
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
On August 16 2009 19:38 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2009 19:36 SilverskY wrote:On August 16 2009 19:34 sAw wrote:On August 16 2009 19:33 SilverskY wrote: I have no clue how FlaSh won that game though. Seriously, he's seriously a Magician. He had 2 CCs to pump scvs, iris didn't do enough damage. Then Iris lost every single small skirmish mid map, and flash positioned his army very nicely and took 1 expo more than iris. Money surplus accumulated, iris got run over. Not that complicated. Yeah I mean just from the beginning impression of the game. When FlaSh lost all his vults, and his rines, and all those SCV's. And then the Wraith follow up. It looked to be a sure win for Iris. Yeah it always looks worse than it is when you fast expand and your opponent goes heavy pressure. As long as you don't lose your natural CC and keep pumping SCVs (which Flash did), your opponent has to do a TON of damage to make up for the cost of the Starport, Wraiths, Cloak, AND late natural, because you just keep making 2X SCVs and money isn't really the issue at the time. Yeah, true true. That game was seriously the epitome of what good econ does in a game.
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On August 16 2009 19:36 motbob wrote: If Iris had gone 2fac instead of fac port, do you guys think he would have won that game? It's a possibility. But never underestimate Flash's defense when it comes to TvT. The guy's a fucking beast.
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MrHoon
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On August 16 2009 19:39 nayumi wrote: If I pause the GOMPlayer, will it still be buffering? I mean like youtube, if your stream isn't good enough, you will have to pause the video for a while then watch it later. I don't mind watching the game a couple of minutes later seriously, rather than having hiccups every fucking minute. if it's that bad, why not try the livestream? I suffer from the same issue so I just watch it from livestream
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United States2186 Posts
Iris not being aggressive with his early tanks ruined his chances. I mean he was only slightly behind after the early game, but short of proxy bbs or 5 rax on cliff, nobody will ever beat Flash TvT on Medusa. I really think he should've went more allin.
Flash hasn't used that seize map control -> double expand for a long time now but man I love watching that strategy. You can literally countdown to the moment when Iris's chance of victory drops to zero.
It's a huge shame not that many people are watching this. TvT is generally boring but not Flash.
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On August 16 2009 19:38 jello24 wrote: haha flash.... i thought his early greed was going to cost him like it usually does... i was surprised at how iris just gave away half the map for flash to macro out of given his early tank advantage.
Iris came VERY close to being able to Siege Flash's temples, which would have been a lot more annoying to deal with. Once Flash kept that from happening, Iris no longer had any advantage whatsoever in any way, and the outcome was inevitable given that it's Flash playing TvT.
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gosh the slippery slope in TvT is really really steep
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On August 16 2009 19:40 lazz wrote: gosh the slippery slope in TvT is really really steep Nah, usually it's the easiest MU to come back in. Flash is just good at getting a chokehold on the map.
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MrHoon
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On August 16 2009 19:39 Dice84 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2009 19:36 motbob wrote: If Iris had gone 2fac instead of fac port, do you guys think he would have won that game? It's a possibility. But never underestimate Flash's defense when it comes to TvT. The guy's a fucking a beast. if Iris has thought of 2fac from the start, Flash would've lost
Even jaedong loses the rock paper scissor game Okay he doesn't lose all the time but you get my drift
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On August 16 2009 19:36 motbob wrote:never underestimate Flash's defense when it comes to TvT. The guy's a fucking a beast. Is that how he does it?
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