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deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
August 07 2009 21:34 GMT
#2801
Yeah! Go SKT! Another 4-0 coming up!!!
4.0 GPA = A rank 5.0 GPA = Olympic --------- Bisu, Best, Fantasy. i ♥ oov. They can get in my BoxeR anyday.
aznanimedude
Profile Joined April 2009
United States199 Posts
August 07 2009 21:35 GMT
#2802
On August 08 2009 03:57 x89titan wrote:
dude 9/10 of my bets involving the oz team is a curse. whoever i pick to win, whether it be oz or the other team, will always lose. check it for yourself

today i picked oz, and unsurprisingly, they lost


pick oz next time D:
HOI POLLOI
inertinept
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Bangladesh1195 Posts
August 07 2009 21:37 GMT
#2803
where can i find fantasy vs jaedong game?
With a gust of wind, perhaps.
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
August 07 2009 21:38 GMT
#2804
On August 08 2009 06:37 inertinept wrote:
where can i find fantasy vs jaedong game?

Check the "Small Vod Thread."

It is on top of the Featured Threads links.
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
August 07 2009 21:39 GMT
#2805
On August 08 2009 05:23 Pepsicolaone wrote:
oh my... if OZ loses tommorow with score of 0:4, then they are going to have 12 straight losses in grand final

First of all: Yes, Hwaseung did go 0-4 on day 2 vs. CJ.
After that, Hwaseung won the super ace match- which breaks that losing streak, yes?
Moreover, those games were not part of the grand final.

So if Oz were to lose 0-4 tomorrow, they'd be on an 8-game losing streak as a team. Not 12 games.
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Wolfwood.
Profile Joined May 2009
United States68 Posts
August 07 2009 21:50 GMT
#2806
gogo stk.

another 4-0 inc.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-07 21:53:01
August 07 2009 21:51 GMT
#2807
Pretty sure the week of Jaedong ended before the finals started. SKT should enjoy this now because none of your players will be in OSL/MSL/GOM finals.

Continue to think anyone will care who won this series years from now.

Starcraft is a game of individuals, and it is those accomplisments that will always override others.

Having said that, Idc who wins but the BLIND fanboyism is hilarious. Just be happy you guys managed to take a win off Jaedong.
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
August 07 2009 21:59 GMT
#2808
On August 08 2009 06:51 On_Slaught wrote:
Pretty sure the week of Jaedong ended before the finals started. SKT should enjoy this now because none of your players will be in OSL/MSL/GOM finals.

Continue to think anyone will care who won this series years from now.

Starcraft is a game of individuals, and it is those accomplisments that will always override others.

Having said that, Idc who wins but the BLIND fanboyism is hilarious. Just be happy you guys managed to take a win off Jaedong.

Fantasy will. Mark my words

Fantasy is the real deal.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
Pepsicolaone
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States967 Posts
August 07 2009 22:01 GMT
#2809
On August 08 2009 06:39 Zato-1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2009 05:23 Pepsicolaone wrote:
oh my... if OZ loses tommorow with score of 0:4, then they are going to have 12 straight losses in grand final

First of all: Yes, Hwaseung did go 0-4 on day 2 vs. CJ.
After that, Hwaseung won the super ace match- which breaks that losing streak, yes?
Moreover, those games were not part of the grand final.

So if Oz were to lose 0-4 tomorrow, they'd be on an 8-game losing streak as a team. Not 12 games.

i said GRAND FINAL...... they got 0:4ed by Khan last time they went to grand final..... read b4 you reply please
I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equal.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-07 22:05:57
August 07 2009 22:04 GMT
#2810
On August 08 2009 07:01 Pepsicolaone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2009 06:39 Zato-1 wrote:
On August 08 2009 05:23 Pepsicolaone wrote:
oh my... if OZ loses tommorow with score of 0:4, then they are going to have 12 straight losses in grand final

First of all: Yes, Hwaseung did go 0-4 on day 2 vs. CJ.
After that, Hwaseung won the super ace match- which breaks that losing streak, yes?
Moreover, those games were not part of the grand final.

So if Oz were to lose 0-4 tomorrow, they'd be on an 8-game losing streak as a team. Not 12 games.

i said GRAND FINAL...... they got 0:4ed by Khan last time they went to grand final..... read b4 you reply please


What in the world were you watching? I'm pretty sure last time OZ was in a grand final, they raped Khan. (Except Jaedong got owned by CuteAngel haha). Were you watching the game where Anytime destroyed Stork and when Hiya owned FBH and made him cry? I'm pretty sure we watched two different grand finals. I saw Hwaseung own Khan last time in the Grand Finals.

I dunno though, I might have been on crack though.
God Bless
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6103 Posts
August 07 2009 22:06 GMT
#2811
On August 08 2009 01:16 Whiplash wrote:
That first match was absolutely sick. Thats prob the highest level TvZ played yet in sc history.


Jaedong vs Flash @ Loki II, is the highest level ZvT you'll ever see.
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3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
August 07 2009 22:12 GMT
#2812
On August 08 2009 07:04 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2009 07:01 Pepsicolaone wrote:
On August 08 2009 06:39 Zato-1 wrote:
On August 08 2009 05:23 Pepsicolaone wrote:
oh my... if OZ loses tommorow with score of 0:4, then they are going to have 12 straight losses in grand final

First of all: Yes, Hwaseung did go 0-4 on day 2 vs. CJ.
After that, Hwaseung won the super ace match- which breaks that losing streak, yes?
Moreover, those games were not part of the grand final.

So if Oz were to lose 0-4 tomorrow, they'd be on an 8-game losing streak as a team. Not 12 games.

i said GRAND FINAL...... they got 0:4ed by Khan last time they went to grand final..... read b4 you reply please


What in the world were you watching? I'm pretty sure last time OZ was in a grand final, they raped Khan. (Except Jaedong got owned by CuteAngel haha). Were you watching the game where Anytime destroyed Stork and when Hiya owned FBH and made him cry? I'm pretty sure we watched two different grand finals. I saw Hwaseung own Khan last time in the Grand Finals.

I dunno though, I might have been on crack though.

you are right.
The first time Khan and Oz met it was the R1 final, Khan won 4-0.
Oz won the round 2 final over CJ 4-2.
They met in the conclusive final and Oz won 4-1.
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-07 22:16:21
August 07 2009 22:14 GMT
#2813
On August 08 2009 07:04 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2009 07:01 Pepsicolaone wrote:
On August 08 2009 06:39 Zato-1 wrote:
On August 08 2009 05:23 Pepsicolaone wrote:
oh my... if OZ loses tommorow with score of 0:4, then they are going to have 12 straight losses in grand final

First of all: Yes, Hwaseung did go 0-4 on day 2 vs. CJ.
After that, Hwaseung won the super ace match- which breaks that losing streak, yes?
Moreover, those games were not part of the grand final.

So if Oz were to lose 0-4 tomorrow, they'd be on an 8-game losing streak as a team. Not 12 games.

i said GRAND FINAL...... they got 0:4ed by Khan last time they went to grand final..... read b4 you reply please


What in the world were you watching? I'm pretty sure last time OZ was in a grand final, they raped Khan. (Except Jaedong got owned by CuteAngel haha). Were you watching the game where Anytime destroyed Stork and when Hiya owned FBH and made him cry? I'm pretty sure we watched two different grand finals. I saw Hwaseung own Khan last time in the Grand Finals.

I dunno though, I might have been on crack though.

Uh, I think he mixed it up with Khan vs Sparkyz?

On August 08 2009 06:51 On_Slaught wrote:
Pretty sure the week of Jaedong ended before the finals started. SKT should enjoy this now because none of your players will be in OSL/MSL/GOM finals.

Continue to think anyone will care who won this series years from now.

Starcraft is a game of individuals, and it is those accomplisments that will always override others.

Having said that, Idc who wins but the BLIND fanboyism is hilarious. Just be happy you guys managed to take a win off Jaedong.

Haha, you sound sooooo bitter. And for one thing, you're wrong about SC being a game of individuals. Pro-gamers do care about ProLeague.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
August 07 2009 22:15 GMT
#2814
On August 08 2009 06:20 QuakerOats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2009 04:27 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On August 08 2009 03:58 QuakerOats wrote:
On August 08 2009 03:39 Vasoline73 wrote:
This result just makes me more annoyed CJ lost in the last round. Would have been a much better series..


CJ could have lost 4-0 just as easily. Canata, Best, and fantasy are capable of beating pretty much anyone on CJ (maybe not some matchups, like Best vs Z, but then again Best wouldn't have beaten Jaedong either). Of course it'd depend on the matchups but I don't think it would've been much closer if CJ was playing.


Are you kidding? Kwanro, Skyhigh, Effort, and Iris are without a doubt overall better and more consistent than any group you can name from OZ. There's no way they would've gone 4-0. Besides, why do people keep saying Best is so good and can do so well? He's done jack shit this entire year. He was good, now he's looking like he's slumping.


Let's replace each Oz player with their CJ equivalent, as Avidkeystamper did.

Fantasy vs Effort
Canata vs Skyhigh
Hyuk vs Savior
BeSt vs Movie/Much

I don't think the results would have been much different. fantasy vs Effort would've been close but so was fantasy vs Jaedong. Canata beat Skyhigh 2-0 just a few months ago. Hyuk beat Savior last month. Slumping or not Best would have beaten Movie or Much. Obviously CJ is a more well-rounded team than Oz with more consistent players, but I think it's stupid for people to say "wow, Oz sucks, CJ would do much better" especially considering Oz beat CJ 4-1 on the first day (which if we went by the old format would be the final score).


Your just being plain ignorant.
Fantasy vs Effort would be a very close one to call lets swing it both ways even though the map is zerg favored.
Canata vs Skyhigh is again another 50/50 and we all know what Skyhigh can do.
Hyuk vs Kwanro (why the fuck would they send savior?) Kwanro takes this, its SKT1 zerg
Best vs Iris (i would give this to Iris, he just beat bisu)
Bisu vs Movie/Much im sure 1 person can do something.
thezerg vs anybody im sure CJ can win this one.

your being ignorant about CJ's coach, he makes great picks all the time. and they won't send savior out because he's slumping like best.
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QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
August 07 2009 22:15 GMT
#2815
Yes, but the problem is, SKT winning is like the Lakers/Yankees/etc winning. No one really cares other than those teams' fans.

So I don't really buy that an SKT win is 'better for esports' or anything like that, sorry.
Oh, my eSports
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
August 07 2009 22:16 GMT
#2816
On August 08 2009 07:06 Highways wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2009 01:16 Whiplash wrote:
That first match was absolutely sick. Thats prob the highest level TvZ played yet in sc history.


Jaedong vs Flash @ Loki II, is the highest level ZvT you'll ever see.

meh
there's no such thing as a single game with the "highest level of whatever", thankfully so
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BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
August 07 2009 22:21 GMT
#2817
On August 08 2009 07:15 Mykill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2009 06:20 QuakerOats wrote:
On August 08 2009 04:27 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On August 08 2009 03:58 QuakerOats wrote:
On August 08 2009 03:39 Vasoline73 wrote:
This result just makes me more annoyed CJ lost in the last round. Would have been a much better series..


CJ could have lost 4-0 just as easily. Canata, Best, and fantasy are capable of beating pretty much anyone on CJ (maybe not some matchups, like Best vs Z, but then again Best wouldn't have beaten Jaedong either). Of course it'd depend on the matchups but I don't think it would've been much closer if CJ was playing.


Are you kidding? Kwanro, Skyhigh, Effort, and Iris are without a doubt overall better and more consistent than any group you can name from OZ. There's no way they would've gone 4-0. Besides, why do people keep saying Best is so good and can do so well? He's done jack shit this entire year. He was good, now he's looking like he's slumping.


Let's replace each Oz player with their CJ equivalent, as Avidkeystamper did.

Fantasy vs Effort
Canata vs Skyhigh
Hyuk vs Savior
BeSt vs Movie/Much

I don't think the results would have been much different. fantasy vs Effort would've been close but so was fantasy vs Jaedong. Canata beat Skyhigh 2-0 just a few months ago. Hyuk beat Savior last month. Slumping or not Best would have beaten Movie or Much. Obviously CJ is a more well-rounded team than Oz with more consistent players, but I think it's stupid for people to say "wow, Oz sucks, CJ would do much better" especially considering Oz beat CJ 4-1 on the first day (which if we went by the old format would be the final score).


Your just being plain ignorant.
Fantasy vs Effort would be a very close one to call lets swing it both ways even though the map is zerg favored.
Canata vs Skyhigh is again another 50/50 and we all know what Skyhigh can do.
Hyuk vs Kwanro (why the fuck would they send savior?) Kwanro takes this, its SKT1 zerg
Best vs Iris (i would give this to Iris, he just beat bisu)
Bisu vs Movie/Much im sure 1 person can do something.
thezerg vs anybody im sure CJ can win this one.

your being ignorant about CJ's coach, he makes great picks all the time. and they won't send savior out because he's slumping like best.

You're just being plain bitter.

His point was that had CJ gone to finals to play against SKT, there's still the POSSIBILITY of it going 4:0 in favor of SKT. You can't deny that much, which means that saying anything like "CJ SHOULD'VE GONE TO FINALS IT WOULD'VE BEEN CLOSER" is only a MAYBE.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
SkytoM
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Austria1137 Posts
August 07 2009 22:30 GMT
#2818
On August 08 2009 07:21 BanZu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2009 07:15 Mykill wrote:
On August 08 2009 06:20 QuakerOats wrote:
On August 08 2009 04:27 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On August 08 2009 03:58 QuakerOats wrote:
On August 08 2009 03:39 Vasoline73 wrote:
This result just makes me more annoyed CJ lost in the last round. Would have been a much better series..


CJ could have lost 4-0 just as easily. Canata, Best, and fantasy are capable of beating pretty much anyone on CJ (maybe not some matchups, like Best vs Z, but then again Best wouldn't have beaten Jaedong either). Of course it'd depend on the matchups but I don't think it would've been much closer if CJ was playing.


Are you kidding? Kwanro, Skyhigh, Effort, and Iris are without a doubt overall better and more consistent than any group you can name from OZ. There's no way they would've gone 4-0. Besides, why do people keep saying Best is so good and can do so well? He's done jack shit this entire year. He was good, now he's looking like he's slumping.


Let's replace each Oz player with their CJ equivalent, as Avidkeystamper did.

Fantasy vs Effort
Canata vs Skyhigh
Hyuk vs Savior
BeSt vs Movie/Much

I don't think the results would have been much different. fantasy vs Effort would've been close but so was fantasy vs Jaedong. Canata beat Skyhigh 2-0 just a few months ago. Hyuk beat Savior last month. Slumping or not Best would have beaten Movie or Much. Obviously CJ is a more well-rounded team than Oz with more consistent players, but I think it's stupid for people to say "wow, Oz sucks, CJ would do much better" especially considering Oz beat CJ 4-1 on the first day (which if we went by the old format would be the final score).


Your just being plain ignorant.
Fantasy vs Effort would be a very close one to call lets swing it both ways even though the map is zerg favored.
Canata vs Skyhigh is again another 50/50 and we all know what Skyhigh can do.
Hyuk vs Kwanro (why the fuck would they send savior?) Kwanro takes this, its SKT1 zerg
Best vs Iris (i would give this to Iris, he just beat bisu)
Bisu vs Movie/Much im sure 1 person can do something.
thezerg vs anybody im sure CJ can win this one.

your being ignorant about CJ's coach, he makes great picks all the time. and they won't send savior out because he's slumping like best.

You're just being plain bitter.

His point was that had CJ gone to finals to play against SKT, there's still the POSSIBILITY of it going 4:0 in favor of SKT. You can't deny that much, which means that saying anything like "CJ SHOULD'VE GONE TO FINALS IT WOULD'VE BEEN CLOSER" is only a MAYBE.


its not a maybe.

ask yourself. "Whos good in Oz next to JD? Answer = BackHo, Lomo, Hiya"
same question. "Whos good in CJ next to Effort? Answer = Iris, Kwanro, SkyHigh"

Now compare these 3 gamers. Skyhigh is nearly a Playoff Bonjwa, always looking convincing ( great, 2xleta, hiya and lomo!), Iris just beat Bisu in a Bo5! nuff said. Kwanro also in the Ro4 of MSL. i mean.. lol
Bisu... ;-(
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
August 07 2009 22:31 GMT
#2819
LOLOL.
DID U GUYS SEE THOSE GAMES?
OMG OZ SHUT UP! YOU GOT RAPED!

TA-DOW!
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
Scorn
Profile Joined May 2009
United States14 Posts
August 07 2009 22:35 GMT
#2820
QuakerOats is not just saying it's a possibility that SKT would've gone 4:0 against CJ, he's saying that it's probable. He said "I don't think the results would have been much different." He reached that conclusion by assuming that Canata would beat Skyhigh (based on games from a few months ago and ignoring Skyhigh's amazing recent TvT play) and by assuming that CJ would send out Savior in a ZvZ instead of Kwanro. He also ignored Iris, who is in in the MSL sems and Gom finals.

Pretty unreasonable.
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