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Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8090 Posts
July 26 2009 04:29 GMT
#281
On July 26 2009 13:28 eatmyshorts5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 13:27 usopsama wrote:
On July 26 2009 13:25 darod2007 wrote:
Stork is pro.


Pro and sexy. Pro and sexy.

[image loading]

Sup OSL badge

If only they gave out silver badges
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
July 26 2009 04:30 GMT
#282
On July 26 2009 13:28 Diomedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 13:25 Lebesgue wrote:
I saw the opposite. Stork outmicroing Skyhigh :-O


2 tanks vs 6 goons with the tanks winning is Stork outmicroing Skyhigh?

Stork won because Skyhigh thought he was smart by cutting out sieg mode. It just took so long because Skyhigh didn't make a single mistake for like 2 minutes. It wasn't an equal battle. One mistake and Skyhigh lost. One micro flaw by by Stork and he still wins, like we saw.

Only at the end a tank got blocked by his own SCVs and then he didn't have SCVs to both block and repair.
Throwing away SCVs so that you can survive and get crushed by economy advantage later in the game is not called "out-microing".
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51459 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-26 04:30:37
July 26 2009 04:30 GMT
#283
On July 26 2009 13:28 Crunchums wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 13:27 GTR wrote:
stork won when the obs came out.

skyhigh should have not went for the fantasy build order, it's so susceptible to good goon micro (which stork has)

What is the fantasy build order in TvP?


getting fast vult ups/dropship in favour of siege
i shouldn't be really calling in the 'fantasy build' but he has used it the most.
Commentator
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
July 26 2009 04:30 GMT
#284
On July 26 2009 13:27 GTR wrote:
stork won when the obs came out.

skyhigh should have not went for the fantasy build order, it's so susceptible to good goon micro (which stork has)

Especially when it's a freaking reverse ramp map
POGGERS
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
July 26 2009 04:30 GMT
#285
That was total rape start to finish.

Skyhigh's build made no sense though. If he wanted to upgrade vulture speed/mines first, why did he build a starport just for wraiths? I thought for sure he wanted to drop at the first occasion.
Meh
iNfeRnaL *
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Germany1908 Posts
July 26 2009 04:30 GMT
#286
On July 26 2009 13:28 Diomedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 13:25 Lebesgue wrote:
I saw the opposite. Stork outmicroing Skyhigh :-O


2 tanks vs 6 goons with the tanks winning is Stork outmicroing Skyhigh?

Stork won because Skyhigh thought he was smart by cutting out sieg mode. It just took so long because Skyhigh didn't make a single mistake for like 2 minutes. It wasn't an equal battle. One mistake and Skyhigh lost. One micro flaw by by Stork and he still wins, like we saw.

Only at the end a tank got blocked by his own SCVs and then he didn't have SCVs to both block and repair.

Lol god please ...
Stork built like ~20-30 probes while this micro was going on.
Skyhigh lost like 20 scvs.
So no matter if Skyhigh managed to hold off more Goon than he had Tanks, he still used 10 scv to do so all the time sacrificed mining time AND scvs and still didn't get Siege.
Stop talking, seriously.
Diomedes
Profile Joined March 2009
464 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-26 04:31:10
July 26 2009 04:30 GMT
#287
On July 26 2009 13:28 Lebesgue wrote:
Well, it is pretty much what you said. Just you forgot to add that Skyhigh outplayed Stork but then had to gg because goons are imba...


Try to win TvP without siege mode vs your D+ friend doing " 'siege' expand".
psion0011
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada720 Posts
July 26 2009 04:31 GMT
#288
On July 26 2009 13:28 Diomedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 13:25 Lebesgue wrote:
I saw the opposite. Stork outmicroing Skyhigh :-O


2 tanks vs 6 goons with the tanks winning is Stork outmicroing Skyhigh?
.

LOL the tanks were winning? Do you know what an SCV is? Because many of them died for the tanks to "win" (hint, the tanks did not win).
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
July 26 2009 04:31 GMT
#289
On July 26 2009 13:30 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 13:28 Crunchums wrote:
On July 26 2009 13:27 GTR wrote:
stork won when the obs came out.

skyhigh should have not went for the fantasy build order, it's so susceptible to good goon micro (which stork has)

What is the fantasy build order in TvP?


getting fast vult ups/dropship in favour of siege
i shouldn't be really calling in the 'fantasy build' but he has used it the most.

Thanks.
brood war for life, brood war forever
ZeitgeistMovie
Profile Joined March 2009
144 Posts
July 26 2009 04:31 GMT
#290
On July 26 2009 13:28 Diomedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 13:25 Lebesgue wrote:
I saw the opposite. Stork outmicroing Skyhigh :-O


2 tanks and a shitload of SCVs vs 6 goons with the tanks losing is Stork outmicroing Skyhigh? Yes.



Fixed.
The Venus Project - A resource-based economy, like SC
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
July 26 2009 04:31 GMT
#291
On July 26 2009 13:28 Diomedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 13:25 Lebesgue wrote:
I saw the opposite. Stork outmicroing Skyhigh :-O


2 tanks vs 6 goons with the tanks winning is Stork outmicroing Skyhigh?

Stork won because Skyhigh thought he was smart by cutting out sieg mode. It just took so long because Skyhigh didn't make a single mistake for like 2 minutes. It wasn't an equal battle. One mistake and Skyhigh lost. One micro flaw by by Stork and he still wins, like we saw.

Only at the end a tank got blocked by his own SCVs and then he didn't have SCVs to both block and repair.


have you ever tried to control a group of goons at a pretty narrow choke

stork's micro is really really really good
LorDo
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden485 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-26 04:36:15
July 26 2009 04:31 GMT
#292
On July 26 2009 13:25 iNfeRnaL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 13:25 LorDo wrote:
What was Storks build? 10/15?

did you watch the game?
1 gate, robo, expo, 2nd gate.


Do you think I would have asked if I had watched the whole game? I came in when Stork had like 6-7 goons against vult+tanks. At that point it was hard to guess his build order.

EDIT: thanks for the info.
eatmyshorts5
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1530 Posts
July 26 2009 04:31 GMT
#293
I have to be quite honest i'm disappointed.
BF:BC2 ID: BisuStork//CJ Entusman #32
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
July 26 2009 04:31 GMT
#294
If KwanRo can come out with the win, an ace match for CJ is very very likely.

GO CJ ENTUS!!!
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
Vequeth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United Kingdom1116 Posts
July 26 2009 04:31 GMT
#295
Dont feed the troll guys
Aspiring British Caster / Masters Protoss
cosiant
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada616 Posts
July 26 2009 04:32 GMT
#296
If they have the same positions, Miracle can go again for that sick sick timing.
Member of the "Fuck yeah, Canata!" committee!
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
July 26 2009 04:32 GMT
#297
On July 26 2009 13:28 Diomedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 13:25 Lebesgue wrote:
I saw the opposite. Stork outmicroing Skyhigh :-O


2 tanks and 20 scvs (fixed) vs 6 goons with the tanks winning is Stork outmicroing Skyhigh?

Stork won because Skyhigh thought he was smart by cutting out sieg mode. It just took so long because Skyhigh didn't make a single mistake for like 2 minutes. It wasn't an equal battle. One mistake and Skyhigh lost. One micro flaw by by Stork and he still wins, like we saw.

Only at the end a tank got blocked by his own SCVs and then he didn't have SCVs to both block and repair.


You are clearly too blinded by your own biases to see what is really going on. Listen to the rest of the 10+ people who disagrees with you.[spoiler]
saikeraku
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada2933 Posts
July 26 2009 04:32 GMT
#298
Go go miracle!
kronickiddo
Profile Joined July 2009
United States11 Posts
July 26 2009 04:32 GMT
#299
I'd say Skyhigh outmicroed. Pretty impressive what he did with just 2 tanks and small stream of vultures. Whereas Stork outplayed since he was never at a disadvantage. Then again this is just semantics. Awesome, fast-paced game nonetheless.
Dice
Profile Joined April 2009
Korea (South)926 Posts
July 26 2009 04:32 GMT
#300
On July 26 2009 13:28 Lebesgue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 13:27 Dice84 wrote:
On July 26 2009 13:25 poor newb wrote:
i like how skyhigh got a starport and like every single tech except seige mode against goons

Like Diomedes said, Skyhigh outmicroed Stork. He was planning on outmicroing Stork with wraiths cause they're so much superior than Dragoons.

Excuse my sarcasm. Ahem..


Well, it is pretty much what you said. Just you forgot to add that Skyhigh outplayed Stork but then had to gg because goons are imba...

So we have a conclusion then.

According to Diomedes' theory, pulling 10 - 15 SCV's plus not upgrading Seige Mode against Dragoon is clearly outplaying your Protoss opponent. But if your opponent knows what he's doing with his imba dragoons, then it's GG for you.
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