• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:52
CEST 11:52
KST 18:52
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10
Community News
Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.162Rollback Netcode in Brood War875.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 202624Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup10
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 2026 ESL Pro Tour for SC2 discontinued Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.16 StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon [Old] StarCraft 3 Reportedly in Development
Tourneys
$3,500 WardiTV Not-Summer Championship Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier RSL 2026 Offline Finals LCQ Sign-Ups ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts
Brood War
General
Rollback Netcode in Brood War BSL23 Confirmations Starts on New BSL Portal ASL22 General Discussion Sagi.gg Launcher Released New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!
Tourneys
ASL 22 Finals [ASL22] Semifinal B [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Semifinal A
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The Link Between Gaming and …
TrAiDoS
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 14135 users

[SPL] Playoffs - CJ Entus vs Samsung Khan Day 2 - Page 15

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 13 14 15 16 17 130 Next
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8093 Posts
July 26 2009 04:29 GMT
#281
On July 26 2009 13:28 eatmyshorts5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 13:27 usopsama wrote:
On July 26 2009 13:25 darod2007 wrote:
Stork is pro.


Pro and sexy. Pro and sexy.

[image loading]

Sup OSL badge

If only they gave out silver badges
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
July 26 2009 04:30 GMT
#282
On July 26 2009 13:28 Diomedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 13:25 Lebesgue wrote:
I saw the opposite. Stork outmicroing Skyhigh :-O


2 tanks vs 6 goons with the tanks winning is Stork outmicroing Skyhigh?

Stork won because Skyhigh thought he was smart by cutting out sieg mode. It just took so long because Skyhigh didn't make a single mistake for like 2 minutes. It wasn't an equal battle. One mistake and Skyhigh lost. One micro flaw by by Stork and he still wins, like we saw.

Only at the end a tank got blocked by his own SCVs and then he didn't have SCVs to both block and repair.
Throwing away SCVs so that you can survive and get crushed by economy advantage later in the game is not called "out-microing".
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51703 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-26 04:30:37
July 26 2009 04:30 GMT
#283
On July 26 2009 13:28 Crunchums wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 13:27 GTR wrote:
stork won when the obs came out.

skyhigh should have not went for the fantasy build order, it's so susceptible to good goon micro (which stork has)

What is the fantasy build order in TvP?


getting fast vult ups/dropship in favour of siege
i shouldn't be really calling in the 'fantasy build' but he has used it the most.
Commentator
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66365 Posts
July 26 2009 04:30 GMT
#284
On July 26 2009 13:27 GTR wrote:
stork won when the obs came out.

skyhigh should have not went for the fantasy build order, it's so susceptible to good goon micro (which stork has)

Especially when it's a freaking reverse ramp map
POGGERS
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
July 26 2009 04:30 GMT
#285
That was total rape start to finish.

Skyhigh's build made no sense though. If he wanted to upgrade vulture speed/mines first, why did he build a starport just for wraiths? I thought for sure he wanted to drop at the first occasion.
Meh
iNfeRnaL *
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Germany1908 Posts
July 26 2009 04:30 GMT
#286
On July 26 2009 13:28 Diomedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 13:25 Lebesgue wrote:
I saw the opposite. Stork outmicroing Skyhigh :-O


2 tanks vs 6 goons with the tanks winning is Stork outmicroing Skyhigh?

Stork won because Skyhigh thought he was smart by cutting out sieg mode. It just took so long because Skyhigh didn't make a single mistake for like 2 minutes. It wasn't an equal battle. One mistake and Skyhigh lost. One micro flaw by by Stork and he still wins, like we saw.

Only at the end a tank got blocked by his own SCVs and then he didn't have SCVs to both block and repair.

Lol god please ...
Stork built like ~20-30 probes while this micro was going on.
Skyhigh lost like 20 scvs.
So no matter if Skyhigh managed to hold off more Goon than he had Tanks, he still used 10 scv to do so all the time sacrificed mining time AND scvs and still didn't get Siege.
Stop talking, seriously.
Diomedes
Profile Joined March 2009
464 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-26 04:31:10
July 26 2009 04:30 GMT
#287
On July 26 2009 13:28 Lebesgue wrote:
Well, it is pretty much what you said. Just you forgot to add that Skyhigh outplayed Stork but then had to gg because goons are imba...


Try to win TvP without siege mode vs your D+ friend doing " 'siege' expand".
psion0011
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada720 Posts
July 26 2009 04:31 GMT
#288
On July 26 2009 13:28 Diomedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 13:25 Lebesgue wrote:
I saw the opposite. Stork outmicroing Skyhigh :-O


2 tanks vs 6 goons with the tanks winning is Stork outmicroing Skyhigh?
.

LOL the tanks were winning? Do you know what an SCV is? Because many of them died for the tanks to "win" (hint, the tanks did not win).
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
July 26 2009 04:31 GMT
#289
On July 26 2009 13:30 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 13:28 Crunchums wrote:
On July 26 2009 13:27 GTR wrote:
stork won when the obs came out.

skyhigh should have not went for the fantasy build order, it's so susceptible to good goon micro (which stork has)

What is the fantasy build order in TvP?


getting fast vult ups/dropship in favour of siege
i shouldn't be really calling in the 'fantasy build' but he has used it the most.

Thanks.
brood war for life, brood war forever
ZeitgeistMovie
Profile Joined March 2009
144 Posts
July 26 2009 04:31 GMT
#290
On July 26 2009 13:28 Diomedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 13:25 Lebesgue wrote:
I saw the opposite. Stork outmicroing Skyhigh :-O


2 tanks and a shitload of SCVs vs 6 goons with the tanks losing is Stork outmicroing Skyhigh? Yes.



Fixed.
The Venus Project - A resource-based economy, like SC
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
July 26 2009 04:31 GMT
#291
On July 26 2009 13:28 Diomedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 13:25 Lebesgue wrote:
I saw the opposite. Stork outmicroing Skyhigh :-O


2 tanks vs 6 goons with the tanks winning is Stork outmicroing Skyhigh?

Stork won because Skyhigh thought he was smart by cutting out sieg mode. It just took so long because Skyhigh didn't make a single mistake for like 2 minutes. It wasn't an equal battle. One mistake and Skyhigh lost. One micro flaw by by Stork and he still wins, like we saw.

Only at the end a tank got blocked by his own SCVs and then he didn't have SCVs to both block and repair.


have you ever tried to control a group of goons at a pretty narrow choke

stork's micro is really really really good
LorDo
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden485 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-26 04:36:15
July 26 2009 04:31 GMT
#292
On July 26 2009 13:25 iNfeRnaL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 13:25 LorDo wrote:
What was Storks build? 10/15?

did you watch the game?
1 gate, robo, expo, 2nd gate.


Do you think I would have asked if I had watched the whole game? I came in when Stork had like 6-7 goons against vult+tanks. At that point it was hard to guess his build order.

EDIT: thanks for the info.
eatmyshorts5
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1530 Posts
July 26 2009 04:31 GMT
#293
I have to be quite honest i'm disappointed.
BF:BC2 ID: BisuStork//CJ Entusman #32
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
July 26 2009 04:31 GMT
#294
If KwanRo can come out with the win, an ace match for CJ is very very likely.

GO CJ ENTUS!!!
#1 Sea.Really Fan / #1 Nesh Fan / Terran Forever~
Vequeth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United Kingdom1116 Posts
July 26 2009 04:31 GMT
#295
Dont feed the troll guys
Aspiring British Caster / Masters Protoss
cosiant
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada616 Posts
July 26 2009 04:32 GMT
#296
If they have the same positions, Miracle can go again for that sick sick timing.
Member of the "Fuck yeah, Canata!" committee!
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
July 26 2009 04:32 GMT
#297
On July 26 2009 13:28 Diomedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 13:25 Lebesgue wrote:
I saw the opposite. Stork outmicroing Skyhigh :-O


2 tanks and 20 scvs (fixed) vs 6 goons with the tanks winning is Stork outmicroing Skyhigh?

Stork won because Skyhigh thought he was smart by cutting out sieg mode. It just took so long because Skyhigh didn't make a single mistake for like 2 minutes. It wasn't an equal battle. One mistake and Skyhigh lost. One micro flaw by by Stork and he still wins, like we saw.

Only at the end a tank got blocked by his own SCVs and then he didn't have SCVs to both block and repair.


You are clearly too blinded by your own biases to see what is really going on. Listen to the rest of the 10+ people who disagrees with you.[spoiler]
saikeraku
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada2933 Posts
July 26 2009 04:32 GMT
#298
Go go miracle!
kronickiddo
Profile Joined July 2009
United States11 Posts
July 26 2009 04:32 GMT
#299
I'd say Skyhigh outmicroed. Pretty impressive what he did with just 2 tanks and small stream of vultures. Whereas Stork outplayed since he was never at a disadvantage. Then again this is just semantics. Awesome, fast-paced game nonetheless.
Dice
Profile Joined April 2009
Korea (South)926 Posts
July 26 2009 04:32 GMT
#300
On July 26 2009 13:28 Lebesgue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 13:27 Dice84 wrote:
On July 26 2009 13:25 poor newb wrote:
i like how skyhigh got a starport and like every single tech except seige mode against goons

Like Diomedes said, Skyhigh outmicroed Stork. He was planning on outmicroing Stork with wraiths cause they're so much superior than Dragoons.

Excuse my sarcasm. Ahem..


Well, it is pretty much what you said. Just you forgot to add that Skyhigh outplayed Stork but then had to gg because goons are imba...

So we have a conclusion then.

According to Diomedes' theory, pulling 10 - 15 SCV's plus not upgrading Seige Mode against Dragoon is clearly outplaying your Protoss opponent. But if your opponent knows what he's doing with his imba dragoons, then it's GG for you.
Prev 1 13 14 15 16 17 130 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 8m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 1938
BeSt 468
Horang2 383
ZerO 95
sorry 91
Soma 86
Sharp 77
Larva 55
Pusan 52
sSak 45
[ Show more ]
PianO 45
NotJumperer 42
NaDa 41
EffOrt 36
Light 25
Sacsri 22
Creator 15
Noble 14
Mini 13
Britney 0
Dota 2
XcaliburYe322
resolut1ontv 241
Fuzer 136
League of Legends
JimRising 449
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1049
shoxiejesuss870
Other Games
singsing1728
ceh9744
Coldzera 718
B2W.Neo402
Pyrionflax213
crisheroes211
BEARDiaguz8
ZerO(Twitch)7
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick648
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 35
lovetv 6
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 52
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 17
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2295
League of Legends
• Stunt598
Other Games
• WagamamaTV146
Upcoming Events
Kung Fu Cup
1h 8m
The PondCast
1d
Online Event
2 days
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Rush vs Soulkey
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
BSL Open Qualifier
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
IPSL
4 days
BSL Open Qualifier
4 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
6 days
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-13
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Copium Cup

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Acropolis #5
HCC Season 3
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.