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On July 26 2009 13:34 kNyTTyM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2009 13:32 JWD wrote:On July 26 2009 13:28 Crunchums wrote:On July 26 2009 13:27 GTR wrote: stork won when the obs came out.
skyhigh should have not went for the fantasy build order, it's so susceptible to good goon micro (which stork has) What is the fantasy build order in TvP? +1, I've never heard of this before and am curious! Just tuning in to this match...surprised to see Stork beat SkyHigh, considering how hot SkyHigh has been lately. I guess KHAN can still pull their shit together when it matters... FD into expansion. Then port and vulture speed for harass. Siege comes after speed and port
You forgot to add the part about stork's sexy micro.
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I'm not liking this "hey guys I'm going to experiment playing defensively during the playoffs" thing Kwanroll has going on.
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On July 26 2009 13:30 iNfeRnaL wrote: So no matter if Skyhigh managed to hold off more Goon than he had Tanks, he still used 10 scv to do so all the time sacrificed mining time AND scvs and still didn't get Siege. Stop talking, seriously.
You think Skyhigh was ever in a winnable position?
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On July 26 2009 13:35 dinmsab wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2009 13:34 kNyTTyM wrote:On July 26 2009 13:32 JWD wrote:On July 26 2009 13:28 Crunchums wrote:On July 26 2009 13:27 GTR wrote: stork won when the obs came out.
skyhigh should have not went for the fantasy build order, it's so susceptible to good goon micro (which stork has) What is the fantasy build order in TvP? +1, I've never heard of this before and am curious! Just tuning in to this match...surprised to see Stork beat SkyHigh, considering how hot SkyHigh has been lately. I guess KHAN can still pull their shit together when it matters... FD into expansion. Then port and vulture speed for harass. Siege comes after speed and port You forgot to add the part about stork's sexy micro. I like how that has nothing to do with the build order.
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On July 26 2009 13:35 Diomedes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2009 13:30 iNfeRnaL wrote: So no matter if Skyhigh managed to hold off more Goon than he had Tanks, he still used 10 scv to do so all the time sacrificed mining time AND scvs and still didn't get Siege. Stop talking, seriously. You think Skyhigh was ever in a winnable position?
not when he decided to go for dship+vult speed. If he got siege instead with ebay (standard), then he would have been fine.
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So if that build is so risky for delaying Siege how does fantasy get away with it? Obviously he does it on maps more suited for it (ie not low ground mains) but why hasn't a protoss opponent owned him like Stork just owned Skyhigh?
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On July 26 2009 13:35 Diomedes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2009 13:30 iNfeRnaL wrote: So no matter if Skyhigh managed to hold off more Goon than he had Tanks, he still used 10 scv to do so all the time sacrificed mining time AND scvs and still didn't get Siege. Stop talking, seriously. You think Skyhigh was ever in a winnable position? If he had gone siege mode he definitely would have been.
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On July 26 2009 13:36 GTR wrote: no hatchery :D =D
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On July 26 2009 13:36 Crunchums wrote: So if that build is so risky for delaying Siege how does fantasy get away with it? Obviously he does it on maps more suited for it (ie not low ground mains) but why hasn't a protoss opponent owned him like Stork just owned Skyhigh? I'm going to be honest i don't recall fantasy doing this to become his build.
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On July 26 2009 13:36 Crunchums wrote: So if that build is so risky for delaying Siege how does fantasy get away with it? Obviously he does it on maps more suited for it (ie not low ground mains) but why hasn't a protoss opponent owned him like Stork just owned Skyhigh?
because he usually chooses to do the build on maps that are wallable for TvP iirc. Anyone can feel free to disagree with me on that, as i'm not confident about that answer.
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On July 26 2009 13:35 Diomedes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2009 13:30 iNfeRnaL wrote: So no matter if Skyhigh managed to hold off more Goon than he had Tanks, he still used 10 scv to do so all the time sacrificed mining time AND scvs and still didn't get Siege. Stop talking, seriously. You think Skyhigh was ever in a winnable position?
Yeah, right around when he did the split.
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On July 26 2009 13:32 Dice84 wrote: So we have a conclusion then.
According to Diomedes' theory, pulling 10 - 15 SCV's plus not upgrading Seige Mode against Dragoon is clearly outplaying your Protoss opponent. But if your opponent knows what he's doing with his imba dragoons, then it's GG for you.
You are an idiot.
Don't comment on these games if you don't play Sc yourself. Point is that if Skyhigh merely microed decently, like Stork himself did, he would have lost more than 1 minutes earlier.
People, don't make out more of someone;s post than is in it. Skyhigh's BO was an autoloss waiting to happen the way Stork was playing. But the fact is Skyhigh was outmicroing Stork for like 2 minutes but still dying because he couldn't not lose in that situation.
Also, I get the feeling that if Stork wasn't going to put pressure and instead expand quickly then the exact same people would have raved about how good Skyhigh was, missing the point that he just dodged an autoloss to gain a much smaller advantage.
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