• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 19:58
CEST 01:58
KST 08:58
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10
Community News
Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.161Rollback Netcode in Brood War845.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 202623Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup10
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 2026 Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.16 StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon ESL Pro Tour for SC2 discontinued [Old] StarCraft 3 Reportedly in Development
Tourneys
$3,500 WardiTV Not-Summer Championship Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier RSL 2026 Offline Finals LCQ Sign-Ups ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! BW General Discussion BSL23 Confirmations Starts on New BSL Portal ASL FINALS HYPE VIDEO 2X
Tourneys
[ASL22] Semifinal B ASL 22 Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Semifinal A
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The Link Between Gaming and …
TrAiDoS
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 10993 users

[SPL] Playoffs - CJ Entus vs Samsung Khan Day 2 - Page 17

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 15 16 17 18 19 130 Next
dinmsab
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Malaysia2246 Posts
July 26 2009 04:35 GMT
#321
On July 26 2009 13:34 kNyTTyM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 13:32 JWD wrote:
On July 26 2009 13:28 Crunchums wrote:
On July 26 2009 13:27 GTR wrote:
stork won when the obs came out.

skyhigh should have not went for the fantasy build order, it's so susceptible to good goon micro (which stork has)

What is the fantasy build order in TvP?

+1, I've never heard of this before and am curious!

Just tuning in to this match...surprised to see Stork beat SkyHigh, considering how hot SkyHigh has been lately. I guess KHAN can still pull their shit together when it matters...


FD into expansion. Then port and vulture speed for harass. Siege comes after speed and port


You forgot to add the part about stork's sexy micro.
..
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66365 Posts
July 26 2009 04:35 GMT
#322
Pikachu's family

Raichus and Pichus
POGGERS
psion0011
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada720 Posts
July 26 2009 04:35 GMT
#323
I'm not liking this "hey guys I'm going to experiment playing defensively during the playoffs" thing Kwanroll has going on.
Diomedes
Profile Joined March 2009
464 Posts
July 26 2009 04:35 GMT
#324
On July 26 2009 13:30 iNfeRnaL wrote:
So no matter if Skyhigh managed to hold off more Goon than he had Tanks, he still used 10 scv to do so all the time sacrificed mining time AND scvs and still didn't get Siege.
Stop talking, seriously.


You think Skyhigh was ever in a winnable position?
eatmyshorts5
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1530 Posts
July 26 2009 04:35 GMT
#325
On July 26 2009 13:35 dinmsab wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 13:34 kNyTTyM wrote:
On July 26 2009 13:32 JWD wrote:
On July 26 2009 13:28 Crunchums wrote:
On July 26 2009 13:27 GTR wrote:
stork won when the obs came out.

skyhigh should have not went for the fantasy build order, it's so susceptible to good goon micro (which stork has)

What is the fantasy build order in TvP?

+1, I've never heard of this before and am curious!

Just tuning in to this match...surprised to see Stork beat SkyHigh, considering how hot SkyHigh has been lately. I guess KHAN can still pull their shit together when it matters...


FD into expansion. Then port and vulture speed for harass. Siege comes after speed and port


You forgot to add the part about stork's sexy micro.

I like how that has nothing to do with the build order.
BF:BC2 ID: BisuStork//CJ Entusman #32
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
July 26 2009 04:35 GMT
#326
walloff for miracle
PhotographerLiquipedia. Drop me a pm if you've got questions/need help.
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
July 26 2009 04:36 GMT
#327
On July 26 2009 13:35 Diomedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 13:30 iNfeRnaL wrote:
So no matter if Skyhigh managed to hold off more Goon than he had Tanks, he still used 10 scv to do so all the time sacrificed mining time AND scvs and still didn't get Siege.
Stop talking, seriously.


You think Skyhigh was ever in a winnable position?


not when he decided to go for dship+vult speed. If he got siege instead with ebay (standard), then he would have been fine.
PhotographerLiquipedia. Drop me a pm if you've got questions/need help.
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
July 26 2009 04:36 GMT
#328
So if that build is so risky for delaying Siege how does fantasy get away with it? Obviously he does it on maps more suited for it (ie not low ground mains) but why hasn't a protoss opponent owned him like Stork just owned Skyhigh?
brood war for life, brood war forever
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
July 26 2009 04:36 GMT
#329
1 marine into expandsion for miracle , 12 hat 11 pool for kwanro (with 4 lings)
PhotographerLiquipedia. Drop me a pm if you've got questions/need help.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51703 Posts
July 26 2009 04:36 GMT
#330
no hatchery :D
Commentator
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
July 26 2009 04:37 GMT
#331
Miracle not meching!!!!
brood war for life, brood war forever
cosiant
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada616 Posts
July 26 2009 04:37 GMT
#332
Miracle going bio?
Member of the "Fuck yeah, Canata!" committee!
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66365 Posts
July 26 2009 04:37 GMT
#333
On July 26 2009 13:35 Diomedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 13:30 iNfeRnaL wrote:
So no matter if Skyhigh managed to hold off more Goon than he had Tanks, he still used 10 scv to do so all the time sacrificed mining time AND scvs and still didn't get Siege.
Stop talking, seriously.


You think Skyhigh was ever in a winnable position?

If he had gone siege mode he definitely would have been.
POGGERS
Pepsicolaone
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States967 Posts
July 26 2009 04:37 GMT
#334
On July 26 2009 13:36 GTR wrote:
no hatchery :D

=D
I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equal.
saikeraku
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada2933 Posts
July 26 2009 04:37 GMT
#335
miracle bioing =O
eatmyshorts5
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1530 Posts
July 26 2009 04:37 GMT
#336
On July 26 2009 13:36 Crunchums wrote:
So if that build is so risky for delaying Siege how does fantasy get away with it? Obviously he does it on maps more suited for it (ie not low ground mains) but why hasn't a protoss opponent owned him like Stork just owned Skyhigh?

I'm going to be honest i don't recall fantasy doing this to become his build.
BF:BC2 ID: BisuStork//CJ Entusman #32
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
July 26 2009 04:37 GMT
#337
On July 26 2009 13:36 Crunchums wrote:
So if that build is so risky for delaying Siege how does fantasy get away with it? Obviously he does it on maps more suited for it (ie not low ground mains) but why hasn't a protoss opponent owned him like Stork just owned Skyhigh?


because he usually chooses to do the build on maps that are wallable for TvP iirc. Anyone can feel free to disagree with me on that, as i'm not confident about that answer.
PhotographerLiquipedia. Drop me a pm if you've got questions/need help.
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
July 26 2009 04:37 GMT
#338
No LR thread is complete without a provocative dumbass!
✌
LorDo
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden485 Posts
July 26 2009 04:37 GMT
#339
On July 26 2009 13:35 Diomedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2009 13:30 iNfeRnaL wrote:
So no matter if Skyhigh managed to hold off more Goon than he had Tanks, he still used 10 scv to do so all the time sacrificed mining time AND scvs and still didn't get Siege.
Stop talking, seriously.


You think Skyhigh was ever in a winnable position?


Yeah, right around when he did the split.
Diomedes
Profile Joined March 2009
464 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-26 04:41:04
July 26 2009 04:38 GMT
#340
On July 26 2009 13:32 Dice84 wrote:
So we have a conclusion then.

According to Diomedes' theory, pulling 10 - 15 SCV's plus not upgrading Seige Mode against Dragoon is clearly outplaying your Protoss opponent. But if your opponent knows what he's doing with his imba dragoons, then it's GG for you.


You are an idiot.

Don't comment on these games if you don't play Sc yourself. Point is that if Skyhigh merely microed decently, like Stork himself did, he would have lost more than 1 minutes earlier.


People, don't make out more of someone;s post than is in it. Skyhigh's BO was an autoloss waiting to happen the way Stork was playing. But the fact is Skyhigh was outmicroing Stork for like 2 minutes but still dying because he couldn't not lose in that situation.


Also, I get the feeling that if Stork wasn't going to put pressure and instead expand quickly then the exact same people would have raved about how good Skyhigh was, missing the point that he just dodged an autoloss to gain a much smaller advantage.
Prev 1 15 16 17 18 19 130 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 33m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft339
ViBE173
ProTech147
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 1096
GuemChi 882
NaDa 12
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 1183
minikerr10
Super Smash Bros
AZ_Axe130
Other Games
summit1g5538
Day[9].tv683
shahzam568
C9.Mang0314
JimRising 274
ToD259
Livibee158
ROOTCatZ26
JuggernautJason13
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick805
StarCraft 2
BasetradeTV163
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• RyuSc2 37
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 31
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie871
• Day9tv683
• Shiphtur604
• Scarra599
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
33m
PiGStarcraft339
Kung Fu Cup
11h 3m
The PondCast
1d 10h
Online Event
2 days
Korean StarCraft League
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Rush vs Soulkey
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
BSL Open Qualifier
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
IPSL
4 days
[ Show More ]
BSL Open Qualifier
4 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-12
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Copium Cup

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Acropolis #5
HCC Season 3
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.