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On July 19 2009 16:32 TwoStep wrote:
ur not tadzio.
ahahahaha
This should be an interesting series. I'm rooting for July but Flash will probably win.
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Flash better show up since he's got nothing to do other than practice for GOM semifinals
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
On July 19 2009 16:32 TwoStep wrote:
ur not tadzio.
Lol good one 
I think I'll stream this too: http://www.livestream.com/mystlord
Although it's not like GOM gets too many livestream viewers anyway.
I'm so conflicted here... As a Zerg player I want July, but I want to see a Flash v EffOrt finals.
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July vs Flash
Cunning vs Brutal
Can planning and preparation defeat a monster?
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Flash going to win with his reformed TvZ.
I believe he has already corrected his major flaws in this matchup and will go on to take down effort in the finals.
3-0 to flash yo.
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i dont see why flash is the favorite here -- july is a pretty top quality player 0_o, he has my vote -- and i want to see him at blizzcon
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On July 19 2009 16:40 Mystlord wrote:Lol good one I think I'll stream this too: http://www.livestream.com/mystlordAlthough it's not like GOM gets too many livestream viewers anyway. I'm so conflicted here... As a Zerg player I want July, but I want to see a Flash v EffOrt finals.
Ill be watching, thanks a lot 
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I want July at Blizzcon, sorry Flash. :s
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On July 19 2009 17:01 eMbrace wrote:
i dont see why flash is the favorite here -- july is a pretty top quality player 0_o, he has my vote -- and i want to see him at blizzcon
ZvT is his worst MU I believe. It might be ZvZ but I know his ZvT isn't his best. He even admitted to it in an interview (I believe he said he should teach Yarnc ZvP and learn from him ZvT). He was top in ZvP.
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motbob
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4 am.... wtf i'll wait 1 more hour..
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FOREVER LOVE ---- JULYZERG ---- LOVE FOREVER!! <3 <3 <3
but i believe flash gonna 3-0 him  . flash is such a monster.
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Russian Federation1208 Posts
JULY!!!!!!!! GO-GO-GO!!!!
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Staying up for this even though I have work at 10AM, and the games start at 2AM. lol. Just because I know July has prepared for this series (hopefully lol) and it should be good. :D
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Come on July! Anyway, it's July.
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Go Flash! 3-0 July!
Not enough people are rooting for Flash. GO GO GO!
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On July 19 2009 17:06 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 17:01 eMbrace wrote:
i dont see why flash is the favorite here -- july is a pretty top quality player 0_o, he has my vote -- and i want to see him at blizzcon ZvT is his worst MU I believe. It might be ZvZ but I know his ZvT isn't his best. He even admitted to it in an interview (I believe he said he should teach Yarnc ZvP and learn from him ZvT). He was top in ZvP.
Sticking to more recent results his ZvT has been just as good as his ZvP. ZvZ has been shocking of late. and with his aggressive style and flash's poor anti-aggressive play, July is in for a chance
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On July 19 2009 17:25 Marine50 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 17:06 FabledIntegral wrote:On July 19 2009 17:01 eMbrace wrote:
i dont see why flash is the favorite here -- july is a pretty top quality player 0_o, he has my vote -- and i want to see him at blizzcon ZvT is his worst MU I believe. It might be ZvZ but I know his ZvT isn't his best. He even admitted to it in an interview (I believe he said he should teach Yarnc ZvP and learn from him ZvT). He was top in ZvP. Sticking to more recent results his ZvT has been just as good as his ZvP. ZvZ has been shocking of late. and with his aggressive style and flash's poor anti-aggressive play, July is in for a chance
yeah he actually said to yarnc "teach me ZvZ"
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On July 19 2009 17:07 Inzek wrote:
4 am.... wtf i'll wait 1 more hour..
damn lol. It times out well for us aussies. 7pm the games start
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On July 19 2009 16:40 Mystlord wrote:Lol good one I think I'll stream this too: http://www.livestream.com/mystlordAlthough it's not like GOM gets too many livestream viewers anyway. I'm so conflicted here... As a Zerg player I want July, but I want to see a Flash v EffOrt finals.
Please Stream
I prefer livestream over gom beacause it is so laggy. Also because GOM uses up so much bandwidth, which eats into my monthly limit pretty quick.
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30 minutes to go, I can't wait ~_~
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July is going to eat Flash and therefore win by default.
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Mystlord
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Dear everyone who is supporting my livestream...
topstarcraft is doing a livestream too.
Is this an indication of how little people read the OP or what? oO
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On July 19 2009 17:43 Mystlord wrote:
Dear everyone who is supporting my livestream...
topstarcraft is doing a livestream too.
Is this an indication of how little people read the OP or what? oO
can't hurt to have backups
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I don't care what my LB says after tonight, I'm going to enjoy these games without the painful bias of that.
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On July 19 2009 17:47 GTR wrote:
LB'ed Flash, hope.
he will :D
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On July 19 2009 17:47 GTR wrote:
LB'ed Flash, hope.
Same, but proleague tore me up.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
Protip: if you have VLC 1.0.0, go back and download 0.9.9. It's a lot better for streaming.
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staying up to watch this match that starts at 5am to watch my favorite player crush flash.
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im so excited!!!
gogo Flash!
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ohhh, white shirts+ tie, very classy
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I'm pumped. I love them both, don't really care who wins. Let's hope it's epic. I think Effort/Flash or Iris/July would make the best finals.
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oh man, it's been a while since I've heard tasteless "insight." hopefully he's gotten better :\
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On July 19 2009 18:02 GTR wrote:
Y'ALL READY FOR THIS?
No, I'm scared. Please hold me
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Savior a macro machine ? LOL WUT ?
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LB'ed for Flash... I think the fact that this is the last league he's in will make him extra motivated to win it all. Plus, with Jaedong and Bisu not playing in the league anymore, he's a sure bet to win it.
+ Show Spoiler +plus, i dont think July will be too pumped after the playoff games anyway... perfect time for Flash to kick a person when they're down...
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I sooo hope this will be a good series... Could be the match of the year for me....
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Osaka27149 Posts
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Could someone please tell what version of Robert Miles - Children is playing? I don't seem to recognize it. Thanks! And go July
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July thumbed down Shades of Twilight, Flash thumbed down God's Garden.
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On July 19 2009 18:06 jello24 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +plus, i dont think July will be too pumped after the playoff games anyway... perfect time for Flash to kick a person when they're down...
No, July will just be more determined to win so it's not a total failure for the team.
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July stands no chance, Flash takes this 3-0 easy.
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On July 19 2009 18:07 WrongEdge wrote:
July Khan't win this =D
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Flash's defense is rated TEN!! OMG
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why isnt July playin any PL-games ?
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On July 19 2009 18:08 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Where is your sense of humor man?
In all honesty, i can't see july winning a BoX vs Flash
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On July 19 2009 18:10 WrongEdge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 18:08 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On July 19 2009 18:07 WrongEdge wrote:
July Khan't win this =D Where is your sense of humor man? In all honesty, i can't see july winning a BoX vs Flash
he's just butthurt about the 'format'
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On July 19 2009 18:10 WrongEdge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 18:08 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On July 19 2009 18:07 WrongEdge wrote:
July Khan't win this =D Where is your sense of humor man? In all honesty, i can't see july winning a BoX vs Flash
You'll see it in just a minute here.
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On July 19 2009 18:10 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 18:10 WrongEdge wrote:On July 19 2009 18:08 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On July 19 2009 18:07 WrongEdge wrote:
July Khan't win this =D Where is your sense of humor man? In all honesty, i can't see july winning a BoX vs Flash he's just butthurt about the 'format'
NOT FAIR
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Julyzerg is so fat :o
edit: fatter than I remember from before
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lol Flash is undefeated in this league so far. GO UNDEFEATED FLASH
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"A ridge of hearbreak"
Hmm.
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I hate Ridge of Terranbreak
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On July 19 2009 18:11 zgl wrote:
Julyzerg is so fat :o
edit: fatter than I remember from before
rofl this post is so funny because it can be take as just like the worst fat joke ever
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Since Tasteless keeps saying that this is the "largest tournament in Korea with the largest prize pool," why is this tournament the last thing gamers practice for?
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On July 19 2009 18:13 Nokeboy wrote:
I hate Ridge of Terranbreak
Give it a rest already..
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Wooooohho Overlong incoming, Flash beware! Lots of mind power behind that lord, start shaking!
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On July 19 2009 18:15 deathgod6 wrote:
Since Tasteless keeps saying that this is the "largest tournament in Korea with the largest prize pool," why is this tournament the last thing gamers practice for?
just because Violet doesnt practice for Gom doesnt mean others dont practice too
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yeah, the last time i supported TUSHIN was back in the OSL FINALS against BEST
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Mystlord
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July goes for 2 hatch while Flash goes for mech.
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On July 19 2009 18:15 deathgod6 wrote:
Since Tasteless keeps saying that this is the "largest tournament in Korea with the largest prize pool," why is this tournament the last thing gamers practice for?
MSL & OSL have prestige
GOM isn't acknowledged by Kespa, but it's going to come a head once SC 2 comes out (assuming SC 2 replaces BW in Korea) since GOM has Blizzard support (again this is assuming the relationship between GOM & Blizzard remains solid)
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On July 19 2009 18:15 deathgod6 wrote:
Since Tasteless keeps saying that this is the "largest tournament in Korea with the largest prize pool," why is this tournament the last thing gamers practice for?
Doesn't have the history that the OSL/MSL do, so it isn't seen, socially, as that important or prestigious of a tournament to win.
Or so I've heard.
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Flash pulled SCVs off gas and expos; also throwing down his factory
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
July mining out the minerals to prevent a vulture hop.
Flash going for a CC at the natural before a vulture.
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On July 19 2009 18:18 zgl wrote:
Flash is so new?
compared to July he is a baby
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Flash almost didn't see the spire, and the spire blocks off the vulture. Neato
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VULTURE RUNBY! one of two makes it through
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Flash does a speed vulture runby! Only 1 speed vulture gets by. 3 kills on the vulture. About to become 5.
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start
flash blue 3 o clock
july green 6 o clock
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Pound for pound flash is the better player.
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On July 19 2009 18:20 jd185152 wrote:
start
july blue 3 o clock
flash green 6 o clock
you're way behind;
-> "If your stream is behind other's, use the hotkey "c" to speed up your GOMplayer and when you've caught up, press "z" to normalize the playback speed."
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
9 Kill vulture. 4 Zergling kills on it. 5 Drone kills. July has 6 mutas out and waiting for action. Flash seems to be going for his gollies into bio thing.
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Gols out already. Flash is ahead with that runby.
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lol, July flies one round through Flash's base, doing no damage while getting shot at constantly xD
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hey hey Flash is back to liking to build tons of turrets
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On July 19 2009 18:21 poilord wrote:
lol, July flies one round through Flash's base, doing no damage while getting shot at constantly xD
HYUK'S FLYBY
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Flash now switching back to MnM
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vulture sneaks into main and starts picking drones (6 drones)
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
July still only has 5 mutas. What is he doing. 4 hydras though. A drone trying to take 9 is killed.
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July now getting his fourth and continued with lurker ling.
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julys mutas take a look around flash's base andtake alot of hits
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
July somehow wins a battle with 4 lurks and barely any lings or anything really. That was really a wtf moment for me.
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Lol Flash thought "ima 1a2a3a over this scrub" and almost got rolled. I think the game's almost even now.
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Loses 2 lurks for no reason
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y, flash didn't see that happen
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Flash pushing towards July's 9. July has 8 lurks and is CHARGING!!!
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Mystlord
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Wow July comes out on top. Either Flash's MnM micro now sucks... Or there's something else going on here :O
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flash scouts julys 2nd expo morphing with a vult
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flash moves out again, but his forces get DESTROYED by lurker/ling/hydra.
Flash doesn't have third yet while July's fourth is up and running : / not looking too good for Flash now
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Flash playing medarine again, no goliath goofiness. Whoo.
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july taking over the map like a wild rabbit
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Well Flash didn't micro the first battle at all, now he's fighting an uphill fight...
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Flash's micro is reaaaally good though
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
July has 1 carapace. Flash is sitting on 0-1.
July just keeps winning battles with Hydralurk. Flash seems to be going to SK
July isn't doing any vessel control at all. 6 Vessels for Flash.
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July's playing f**king good by the way, hats off really.
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flas is macroing from 6 raxes by now... this be tuff 4 july
july gets some nice lurker spines in... kills off superior m&m army
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July now taking his 5th and 6th while engaging Flash in battles in the middle
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july sets up 4th an 5th base O_o
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I think one problem is that Flash is spending lots of money on vessels to snipe defilers that don't exist >_>
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Is it just me or did July get zergling speed wayyyyy late?
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
July now has only 1 Lurker with 4 morphing. Flash is sending a small force to July's 2 expansions at 12. July is going to lose everything there.
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GOOD DMATRIX! SAVING A LOT OF MARINES
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Terran seems so imba when Flash is playing!
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omg lol. Flash is looking way behind O_O
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july has 5 expo and 3 running
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
July charges into Flash's entrenched position. He loses.
Flash pushes into July's natural. Defiler mound coming for July. STILL NO VESSEL CONTROL!!
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I think I'm behind you guys
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Flash now ahead unit wise, needs to crack down on those expos
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Flash takes out July's 12 and is about to take out July's 10.
July is a full 40 supply behind Flash. Flash is up to 10 vessels now and 7 tanks.
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On July 19 2009 18:31 Vasoline73 wrote:
I think I'm behind you guys
press c to speed up your stream, then z to go back to regular speed once it starts stopping
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Haha, I totally jinxed it.
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battles in the center going on m&m tank vs ling hydra lurk, noone comes out on top
meanwhile, flash attacks julys north expos
july saves both 4 now
flash macroing hard though
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How the hell do you deal with these science vessels with all those marines that pick off scourge so easily=/
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10 vessels flying around irradiating EVERYTHING
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Wow, July totally threw this game away.
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Textbook play by Flash, so strong.
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Good play from Flash, but if July had tried to just hold the center he'd be doing much much better.
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man, that constant irradiation was just mean lol
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Man killed like 4 vessels... only to see like 10 more come:-/
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flash has 2x supply, has this won.
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On July 19 2009 18:33 Orbifold wrote:
Wow, July totally threw this game away.
I'm not so sure. The reason it seemed like he had such a big advantage mid game was because he forewent hive in favor of a strong lurkerling army. Once Flash's shit built up, July was in trouble.
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both players down to three bases again, but flash is already constructing his fourth CC at 5
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190 vs 80 supply, July GGs, FUCK YES FLASH; taking the first step
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10 tanks, 12 sci vessels, 74 maines and 12 firebats... lol
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Lol Flash is just using 1/3rd of his army.
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damn, Flash had no income, had July only defended his expo =/
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Flash won a TvZ? Say it ain't so!
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july lost both northern epos, running off of 3 now
ans his 2nd nat by now, this looks grim for july
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On July 19 2009 18:39 okum wrote:
THAT'S my Flash ^___^
Our Flash... 
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On July 19 2009 18:39 jd185152 wrote:
july lost both northern epos, running off of 3 now
ans his 2nd nat by now, this looks grim for july
Press C until it lags a little bit then you should be current. You are literally like 5min behind:-x
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Even in the games Flash wins, he just doesn't seem like he's playing very well lately.
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nice mass of vessels there from flash... he's not completely hopeless vs. Zerg it seems...
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On July 19 2009 18:36 APurpleCow wrote:
I'm not so sure. The reason it seemed like he had such a big advantage mid game was because he forewent hive in favor of a strong lurkerling army. Once Flash's shit built up, July was in trouble.
How did July have an advantage? Flash killed drones and this made July's econ and muta harass weak. Then July still tried to harass with few mutas against many turrets, getting even further behind.
Then July tried to overexpand. He could defend the 3rd gas with no hive. But the other two bases were delayed by Flash. July's army was widdled down every time. And terran can handle that in TvZ.
Then Flash just held down July with 1/3rd of his army and SV.
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hmm looks like he refined the build timings but the actual army transition still looks weak.
I'm thinking a better zerg would bank harder on that weak initial confrontation.
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On July 19 2009 18:40 SimonB wrote:
Even in the games Flash wins, he just doesn't seem like he's playing very well lately.
Agreed. :/. Though I guess he wasn't in any danger there. I just don't see him winning a TvZ vs's someone A-S class with play this level.
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Flash's late game SK terran is just too perfect,only Jaedong/Effort can touch him in that department, Julys midgame was pretty damn good , but his late game was ugh. I really liked how he played it out. July seems to prepared really hard for this.
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After watching Scarab for so damn long, I am actually HAPPY there is commercials instead of Scarab!!!
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Russian Federation1208 Posts
July is so gosu, but Flash is a monster
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Entertaining game ... but I don't see Flash beating Effort playing like this.
July also played very well - finally decided to reverse his trend of playing like crap in the first game of a GOM series (only to come back and handle business in the remaining games of course)!
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Go figure, Flash wins when he builds enough turrets and goes MnM.
This guy could be the next Hwasin with his amazing MnM control (and be good at TvP and TvT while he's at it). He just needs to get over his fetish with goliaths and trying to 'redfine' the game more than he already has.
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July played powerplay style. He did cut his tech and had a huge force for that. Just like in PvT when you do not tech to arbiters or psy and just whore units from 15 gates for the first ~20 minutes. If you have a big enough advantage you tech. That was July's game plan if you ask me.
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On July 19 2009 18:42 Vasoline73 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 18:40 SimonB wrote:
Even in the games Flash wins, he just doesn't seem like he's playing very well lately. Agreed. :/. Though I guess he wasn't in any danger there. I just don't see him winning a TvZ vs's someone A-S class with play this level.
You guys don't know what you're talking about. Flash played great that game. Both july and flash are easily S class..what about flash's play was so freakin disappointing?
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On July 19 2009 18:40 Nokeboy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 18:39 jd185152 wrote:
july lost both northern epos, running off of 3 now
ans his 2nd nat by now, this looks grim for july Press C until it lags a little bit then you should be current. You are literally like 5min behind:-x
roger that
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flash's macro was top, top notch, literally like a computer.
as tasteless said, the raxes never stopped flashing.
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On July 19 2009 18:43 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 18:42 Vasoline73 wrote:On July 19 2009 18:40 SimonB wrote:
Even in the games Flash wins, he just doesn't seem like he's playing very well lately. Agreed. :/. Though I guess he wasn't in any danger there. I just don't see him winning a TvZ vs's someone A-S class with play this level. You guys don't know what you're talking about. Flash played great that game.
Haha, seconding this. You guys are loopy if you don't recognize S-Class mnm control and Macro that makes Best look like a chump.
I'm not defending Flash's previous games recently, but this is exactly how he played against Jaedong about a year ago when Flash was the ONLY guy in the world who could keep up with the Tyrant.
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Flash played bad and July threw that game? Did you guys watch the same game I did?
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On July 19 2009 18:43 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 18:42 Vasoline73 wrote:On July 19 2009 18:40 SimonB wrote:
Even in the games Flash wins, he just doesn't seem like he's playing very well lately. Agreed. :/. Though I guess he wasn't in any danger there. I just don't see him winning a TvZ vs's someone A-S class with play this level. You guys don't know what you're talking about. Flash played great that game.
A month (or maybe twelve) ago, we would have said "hey Flash's timing was perfect, shut down July's 5th and 6th right before they got rolling and did exactly what was necessary to win."
Problem is, Flash has lost the benefit of the doubt these days, so now it looks like "hey Flash was really close to losing that midgame fight and letting July pick up a 5th and 6th and losing".
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2nd game
july green 3 o clock
flash orange 6 o clock
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On July 19 2009 18:45 jd185152 wrote:
2nd game
july green 3 o clock
flash orange 6 o clock
Flash is at 9 o'clock - it's Heartbreak Ridge =P
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ha, I made myself some toast and came back right at the countdown to game 2. that's what I call impeccable timing^^
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Just tuned in. What's the score? Thanks!
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Game 2 starting! July sends a 9 scout. He 12 hatches.
Flash takes gas early with no wall.
Mech or Bio mech again :/
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On July 19 2009 18:47 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Just tuned in. What's the score? Thanks!
Flash 1 July 0
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lol tasteless voice "certified by blizzard"
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On July 19 2009 18:45 darktreb wrote:
Problem is, Flash has lost the benefit of the doubt these days, so now it looks like "hey Flash was really close to losing that midgame fight and letting July pick up a 5th and 6th and losing".
If you play proper progamer builds/strategy you are always going to be 'almost losing' unless your opponent is playing bad.
It's not 'almost losing'. It's playing the game properly. July delayed Flash a lot in going for those 2 top bases. But that still didn't matter because Flash was so much ahead. Shows how 'not close' it was.
Yeah, if you get up 5 gas and nydus you can just roll them up. But you can't assume that can just be done, even if tried.
July did a desperate play. That's what you saw, not Flash almost losing.
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July going 3hat, Flash with a fast factory
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On July 19 2009 18:47 Crunchums wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 18:47 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Just tuned in. What's the score? Thanks! Flash 1 July 0
Thank you good sir.
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Flash will get a quick vulture
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Flash takes SCVs off gas? Seems he only wants that vulture.
July goes 3 Hatch anyway.
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On July 19 2009 18:48 Diomedes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 18:45 darktreb wrote:
Problem is, Flash has lost the benefit of the doubt these days, so now it looks like "hey Flash was really close to losing that midgame fight and letting July pick up a 5th and 6th and losing". If you play proper progamer builds/strategy you are always going to be 'almost losing' unless your opponent is playing bad. It's not 'almost losing'. It's playing the game properly. July delayed Flash a lot in going for those 2 top bases. But that still didn't matter because Flash was so much ahead. Shows how 'not close' it was. Yeah, if you get up 5 gas and nydus you can just roll them up. But you can't assume that can just be done, even if tried. July did a desperate play. That's what you saw, not Flash almost losing.
I agree - I was just trying to explain why all the Flash fans feel like he's losing even in games he wins.
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flash is going fac addon and early expo
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On July 19 2009 18:47 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Just tuned in. What's the score? Thanks!
Flash took a sweet first game after being semi-contained for the early game.
1-0 Flash.
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Flash responds to the 3hatch with a quick CC
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Flash now expoing to his nat
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hmm same build from Flash.
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Hydra den for july, 2 hydras out and a sunk at the nat
vulture out for flash
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ohhh, hydra den at nat; looks like a 3 hatch hydra push
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Hydra timing attack coming from July, who is not even going Lair.
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On July 19 2009 18:47 Mystlord wrote:
Game 2 starting! July sends a 9 scout. He 12 hatches.
Flash takes gas early with no wall.
Mech or Bio mech again :/
Ret told me that with todays mutamicro he thinks 1 rax fast expansion is becoming to ineffective.
1) You cant pressure zerg with 1 rax fe
2) you are vulnerable to allins and shit
3) with a mech opening you can pressure and be pretty save against lots of builds if your game sense and decision making is good
4) mutamicro nearly gets nullified by good mech builds
5) mech builds are now easily counterable with just macro
6) all that leads to a mech opening with a bionic follow up.
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Mystlord
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Hydra Den for July. Strange positioning. Doesn't contribute to the wall at all.
Flash seems to be going for the vulture run by again. July charges with his hydras but isn't able to get anything. Flash needs mines or he'll need to pull a ton of SCVs.
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Hydras bumrush the vultures almost killing one, July walls off his nat with an evo chamber
bunker up at flash's nat he's pulled scvs july backs off
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good reactions for flash, building a bunker immediately and pulling scvs off to protect the bunker
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Mystlord
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Flash just using his Hydras as a threat now, forcing Flash to keep SCVs near the bunker and make Flash produce units that he doesn't want.
Flash scans the spire!
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SDM is really cheering for july haha
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Now switching to the hydras as a fake for mutalisks. And Flash sees it. Flash is hax. Flash sneaks a vulture in, two drone kills.
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July's nat wall was not a tight wall-in, allowing a vulture to get into his main but it only gets 2 kills
SDM flips out though
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HAHAHAHA at Superdanielman's "NOOOOOOOO"
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flash sets up defence at his expo with 2 tank sieged and a bunk
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Flash does a vulture run by that gets quite a few drones.
SDM goes crazy! Or he yells NOOOO!!! Well you have to hear it.
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July expanding to top right
8 mutas out
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how are you guys a head of me?!?!?!?!
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Flash is more than prepared for those mutas
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July with good muta micro
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wow, but sick micro for July
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Mystlord
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NO TURRETS BY FLASH'S MAIN CC!!! NO UNITS FOR FLASH TO FEND THIS OFF! FLASH STOPS MINING!!! JULY SNIPES A TON OF SCVS!
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Mutas doing damage even though they were scouted! July's back in the game.
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Hold C(fast forwards to live) and it'll go faster, then type z when you are caught up. (It'll start to skip and lag a LOT when you are current)
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July knows that Flash is switching to Bio. A valk forces July's mutas back. July takes his third gas expansion. Still isn't going to hive yet.
Science Facility just now up for Flash.
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july has mutals but flash has evrything- gols, turrets marines and a valkyrie
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July expanding to top left, has a queen's nest building
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Haha, ok ok I'll say it. Flash fans are all thinking "Effort is going to eat him alive if he plays like this" (assuming he even wins this series)
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Interestingly, Flash still only has 1 Rax. Flash only now adding 3 rax for a total of 4.
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lol at flash's turret placement
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flash scouts top left with his valk
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Ridge of Turtlebreak, can you break the turtle before the inevitable monster push comes?
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July's hydra bust trick delayed Flash's goliaths
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flash strhengthens nat expo defence with 5 tanks while building 4 rax
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Mystlord
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Flash's push is going to come far too slow. July is definitely going to have Defilers out by then.
July has speed overlords! Drop incoming!!
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July getting a queen's nest and building his fourth right above Flash's main; Flash meanwhile building his barracks and upgrading from 2 ebays
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On July 19 2009 18:56 Nokeboy wrote:
Ridge of Turtlebreak, can you break the turtle before the inevitable monster push comes?
Can someone please ban this guy from talking about Flash and Heartbreak Ridge?
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I sometimes don't understand Tasteless at all. All this yadda-yadda about upgraded marines and medics and whatsoever, well HELLO, THE ZERG HAS +20 SUPPLY, ISN'T THAT A BIT ODD?
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haha i have never heard such a blatantly biased commentary (daniel lee)
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holy crap, drop into FLash's main incoming!
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flash drops top left, july pulls mutas to deal with it but valks clean them up but july brings in some other units and kills it though he loses some drones
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Mystlord
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July loading up troops for his drop! Flash loads up a dropship too!
Flash drops the base above his main. Flash takes out most of the drones there.
Flash looks to move out. A ton of tanks. Barely any MnM though.
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Flash dropping the 11 expo and gets most of the drones
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flash unsieges and pushes out... but july has drop ready at that time
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Valk spots the drop, Flash moving his units back! Drop doesn't look like it will doo too much besides take out turrets and a few depots.
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flash opts to pull his forces back, july taking down depots, gets the academy, but doesn't do too much beyond that
July at 111 supply and stuck, flash at 115
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July got a couple of depots and the academy, but that was about it; not very successful
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Mystlord
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Defiler Mound and Ultralisk Cavern going up for July.
Wtf 21 Lurkers for July LOL JULY ATTACKING!!!
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Mystlord
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SIEGE TANK IMBA BY FLASH WINS THE DAY!
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Theres nothing July can do in these series, Flash is just playing different starcraft.
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a ridiculous amount of lurkers attacks flash's ball but flash has wayyy too many tanks and july pulls back
their supplies are still about even though
July has a cavern and a mound up but he's only on 4 gas
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How does defense matrix work? Does it protect everyone behind it or just the tank infront?
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wow, big battle in front of FLash's main; beautiful use of defense matrix once again!
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Wow that battle was beautiful, way to dwindle down the tank numbers...July has this now, I'm certain of it. Just look at that damn supply counter!
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Defiler's mount essentially done, Flash is very close to his base and has like 12 tanks -> July attacks into the army when if he'd waited for defilers he'd have won super easily.
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Are we watching a different game guys? July HAS this.
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July sieging top left but July has a nydus and brings over a defiler and some lurkers and manages to kill all but 2 of flash's tanks
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first ultras+defilers out for July
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drops depots in main
not too much damage though
now july has a hard time dealing with flashes mass army
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Mystlord
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Flash is slowly pushing up with about 5 tanks and 2 vessels.
Defilers out for July. Nydus finshes for July. Lurks take out 2 tanks.
July gets a swarm down, but he doesn't have the troops to keep flash from his third.
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Everytime I refresh I read things that happened more than 30 seconds ago:-x
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Flash can't finish those expansions off
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It's still 4 base vs. two base and July is getting more and more ultras
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Mystlord
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July saves his expo, but he lost a ton of drones. Flash however is still sitting on 2 base.
July carelessly loses 4 lurks. A swarm saves the last one.
Flash taking his third. 3 Zerglings in the main doing some damage. A few rines clean it up.
2-1 upgrades for July. About 7 ultras for July.
2-2 Ups for Flash.
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nice plague on the vessel ball
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yes nice... plague all vessel... that was kinda important to stay in the game
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hydras picked of ALL of flash's vessels that had been plagued
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July nails some of the previously plagued vessels with hydras
Flash has a CC floated at bottom left but is not mining from there yet
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Mystlord
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PLAGUE ALL OVER THOSE VESSELS! Unfortunately, 3 Ultras get Irradiated.
July denies Flash's third with 12 Zerglings.
July surrounds FLash's forces, but Flash just taking down July's troops.
July has 9 Ultras out now though.
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PLEASE don't get sandwiched in front of July's main
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wow mass plague on flashez army
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Mystlord
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2 Vessels bite the dust to scourge.
Plague all over Flash's forces.
10 Ultras for July now. He still isn't doing anything with them though.
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this game July is doing a good job keeping the vessel number low
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Flash idles a dropship over July's army and it gets scourged
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Mystlord
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Flash carelessly loses a dropship.
Flash takes out all of July's defilers.
Flash down to 1 mining base.
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July rapes Flash's vessels, killing 4 of them!
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Mystlord
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FLASH LOSES ALL HIS VESSELS!! 2 IRRADIATED ULTRAS PWNS LINGS!
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On July 19 2009 19:07 Roxen000 wrote:
lol
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man Flash, what is up with the vessel micro this game
he lost four more this time
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yea flash is in trouble.. mining from 1 base
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Nick says that his vessel control is great=>>> Flash all of sudden loses every single vessel he makes.lol
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Flash mining off of his third, floating his nat CC to 6
July mining out of his third and fourth and is starting a hatchery at 12
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Mystlord
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July finally moves out... Wait no he's camping again.
July loses 6 scourge. Flash irradiates one defiler.
JULY ATTACKS! SWARM SUPPORT WITH ULTRAS!!!
FLASH DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH TROOPS TO DEAL WITH THIS!
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Unit counting station shows July with 13 ultras
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july going in with swarm and irradiated ultras n stuff
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Mystlord
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Flash regroups his army and finally has enough rines to clean that up.
July with 10 Ultras.
Flash with 6 vessels that could get sniped in 2 seconds with hydras or a muta.
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really good game so far; so good we don't get one-sided rapes
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Flash now mining from 6, July mining from 12
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On July 19 2009 19:11 poilord wrote:
really good game so far; so good we don't get one-sided rapes
yeh i expected rapes one way or the other but this is really close.
reminiscent of july vs goodfriend from ever 2005.
iirc everyone thought july would 3-0 goodfriend ez pz.
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Its unbelievable how Flash turns the game arround.
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More vessels get scourged, July attacking 6 but his defiler dies before he can swarm far enough to be a real threat
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july lost most, flash still has a large army
july concentrating all his forces on flashez new expo
flash defends !!!
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July not doing anything and just letting Flash take expos.
Another push with a ton of ultras from July. Medic blcok prevents July from winning the battle.
July up to 1k minerals.
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Such poor vessel control and doesn't even matter
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Ah c'mon July don't screw this up!
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Man, July had like 5 minutes where he could have easily crushed flash's army with ultraling defiler. Might still work but geez...
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Flash got lucky that July only had one defiler with his units when he attacked the 6 o'clock expo, so July had to pull back without doing any serious damage
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arguing about terminator haha
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heh, flash is gonna get so raped vs effort in the finals... july just doesn't capitalize on his advantages :l
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Hydras getting more vessel kills but July's attack is again stopped short by his lack of swarm
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wow, that 6 o'clock expo+entrance to it make it look like the hot gates from the movie 300 o_o
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anyone tell me the score or is this a long game?
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July dropping Flash's main with 3 overlords of pure ling
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July finally starts making hydras in response to vessels, but now he's in big trouble because July hasn't done anything all game. July going for a 16 Zergling drop in Flash's main.
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On July 19 2009 19:14 MrHoon wrote:
anyone tell me the score or is this a long game?
It's Flash 1 July 0 but the score is literally on the screen : /
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No adrenaline glands? Way to throw another game *Sigh*
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On July 19 2009 19:14 MrHoon wrote:
anyone tell me the score or is this a long game?
Flash is up 1-0 and this is a long game :D
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ya flash full up'ed marines are ripping ultras mega fast
now flash is moving into julys expos
tearing evrything apart
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Mystlord
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July has no ultras left, and no gas for ultras. GG from July.
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Flash takes out 12
July GG's
wow
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So much awesome TvZ in this series
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July played well but Flash was just too good. GG!
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wow, how could he screw that up...
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man where was the plague i never saw one decent plague whole game
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this is july though, I wouldn't be surprised if july took this back 3:2
cmon flash... Just one more!
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The next game is gonna be veeeery tough for July...
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On July 19 2009 19:14 Shikyo wrote:
No adrenaline glands? Way to throw another game *Sigh*
rofl
gotta be a level
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july seriously shouldve won this game...
flash got a scary macro 0_0
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GG, this is the highest quality TvZ Ive seen in a while. Really AWESOME SERIES. This is quality starcraft, best series Ive seen in the past 6 months, fucking good games, who wouldve expected this Quality quality TvZ. Both playing at a godlike level.
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July was one Dark Swarm short of winning that game like SIX times....
Well, I think Flash has this series, but he's going to get murdered by Effort if he plays like this. And it's not just Flash, ANY Terran would get murdered by the modern perfect late game Zerg playing SK versus Defiler/Scourge/Ling/Ultra....
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On July 19 2009 19:15 SkelA wrote:
man where was the plague i never saw one decent plague whole game
I saw 3
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WTTTTFFFFF JULY!!! WTTF!!!!! 1 plague 1 DAMN plague!
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wow July wtf was that.
He had a massive advantage yet he just circled around with his mass ultralisk doing nothing.
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On July 19 2009 19:16 samachking wrote:GG, this is the highest quality TvZ Ive seen in a while. Really AWESOME SERIES. This is quality starcraft, best series Ive seen in the past 6 months, fucking good games, who wouldve expected this Quality quality TvZ. Both playing at a godlike level.
I can only agree, both have surprised me.
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On July 19 2009 19:15 SkelA wrote:
man where was the plague i never saw one decent plague whole game
think you missed mostof the late game then.
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Does anyone know how Effort and Yellow[arnc] managed to beat Flash on that map? (
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On July 19 2009 19:12 Nokeboy wrote:Such poor vessel control and doesn't even matter
Flash irradiated all July's defilers to save 6 o' clock AT LEAST THREE TIMES. This matters.
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Flash playing flawless defense but it looks like he is always behind.
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why didnt he use lurkers ?
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if flash gets to final
I would pee my pants for Bisu MSL, JD OSL and Flash GOM winning
OH GOD SO ORGASMIC
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I guess july just doesn't know what defilers are
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Holy crap July played terribly that game. The amount of facepalms and WTFs said by me reached a new critical level.
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i rarely ever say this type of thing but
WAY TO FUCK A WON GAME UP
WAY TO FUCK UP JULY JESUS CHRIST ALMIGHTY
how on EARTH do you lose that jeujfklsadjglskafjdslkgsajflksj;
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On July 19 2009 19:17 Crunchums wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 19:15 SkelA wrote:
man where was the plague i never saw one decent plague whole game I saw 3
Yes i saw 3 perfect plagues 2 vs vessels 1 vs mnms...... The one vs mnm's july did NOTHING!!! when i saw like 20 mnm's plagued and july had like 10 cows i was screaming ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK... but july didn't for like 10 minutes
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too few defiler.. no good swarm usage..
dissapointing =/
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On July 19 2009 19:18 Day[9] wrote:
i rarely ever say this type of thing but
WAY TO FUCK A WON GAME UP
WAY TO FUCK UP JULY JESUS CHRIST ALMIGHTY
how on EARTH do you lose that jeujfklsadjglskafjdslkgsajflksj;
you didnt see modesty vs stork from PL did you?
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How the hell can Flash turtle that much and well even in TvZ. He has like infinite resources from those 2 first bases :O. GGs but if next game is still the same turtly style im gonna get all too bored :I Hope July does some risky über doomdrop or something and gets atleast one game from this turtliest of turtlers...
E. Also July kinda threw units away + extremely shitty swarms + always retreating and giving mnm and tanks free shots.
Still doesn´t make me a fan of Flash´s style.. like Canata TvT in all matchups.
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Back when July was at 130 supply and Flash at barely 100, July just kept doing nothing with his 13 ultras, let Flash build up, get that bottom expo, and then totally failed to use his defilers. For example right after he killed every SV he could have had like 3 defilers total and he'd have been able to completely drive Flash's army back.
Also, that was a stupid place to attack, I think that attacking Flash's natural from the top would have been a lot better. He just had a huge advantage and totally failed vs a semiturtling terran, like a B-level Zerg. Actually that game is a lot like Savior's games right now, although still quite a bit better.
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That was both a terrible and awesome game from Flash. He made so many mistakes, but man does he get so many units out, and I love how he positioned his medics in front of the ultras.
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On July 19 2009 19:18 Day[9] wrote:
i rarely ever say this type of thing but
WAY TO FUCK A WON GAME UP
WAY TO FUCK UP JULY JESUS CHRIST ALMIGHTY
how on EARTH do you lose that jeujfklsadjglskafjdslkgsajflksj;
play with Flash then you ll know ~.^
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On July 19 2009 19:17 Nokeboy wrote:
Does anyone know how Effort and Yellow[arnc] managed to beat Flash on that map? (
yarnc has been known to be the greatest TvZr since 2007.
I mean even Flash said playing against Yarnc is the hardest thing to do
And he said that right in front of Luxury too lol
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On July 19 2009 19:17 MrHoon wrote:
if flash gets to final
I would pee my pants for Bisu MSL, JD OSL and Flash GOM winning
OH GOD SO ORGASMIC
lol this would be something like the holy trinity
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On July 19 2009 19:18 Day[9] wrote:
i rarely ever say this type of thing but
WAY TO FUCK A WON GAME UP
WAY TO FUCK UP JULY JESUS CHRIST ALMIGHTY
how on EARTH do you lose that jeujfklsadjglskafjdslkgsajflksj;
Yep, pretty much.
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On July 19 2009 19:17 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
why didnt he use lurkers ?
>____________<
This.
He get's 2 inches away from the expo and has to pull back because he runs out of swarm.
Total fail, he should've built lurkers.
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On July 19 2009 19:17 Nokeboy wrote:
Does anyone know how Effort and Yellow[arnc] managed to beat Flash on that map? (
Yarnc used ee han timing ZvZ 2 hat muta to destroy Flash's build. Effort outplayed Flash straight up in the late game, he doesnt suicide lurks like July though :/. Effort vs Flash was great though, watch that.
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How can July be too stupid to cash out his imminent win? I mean, he's one of the smartest.
Pretty crazy. Must be totally demoralization for July. I mean, he knows how he isn't going to win this, ever.
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Really badly played by July. Was absolutely terrible, what the hell was that 7 ultralisk push at the main with 0 ling backup.
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Can we drop the "Flash isn't S class anymore" bullshit now?
And ya july fucked up to let flash take that, but give credit to flash. His army control/positioning was simply amazing. He always managed to irradiate the defs even at the cost of vessels. This kept his mnm ball free from plague, COMPLETELY. His medics always had a shitload of energy and he always managed to block off his mnm army with them at the last second after avoiding the first swarms. Playing like this is SO hard. I can't stress enough how difficult it is.
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On July 19 2009 19:17 Nokeboy wrote:
Does anyone know how Effort and Yellow[arnc] managed to beat Flash on that map? (
Magic.
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On July 19 2009 19:18 MrHoon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 19:17 Nokeboy wrote:
Does anyone know how Effort and Yellow[arnc] managed to beat Flash on that map? ( yarnc has been known to be the greatest TvZr since 2007. I mean even Flash said playing against Yarnc is the hardest thing to do And he said that right in front of Luxury too lol
I just want to know how. The few games I have watched with Flash on Heartbreak ridge looked impossible for anyone to beat him while he was behind most of the games:-/
On July 19 2009 19:19 samachking wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 19:17 Nokeboy wrote:
Does anyone know how Effort and Yellow[arnc] managed to beat Flash on that map? ( Yarnc used ee han timing ZvZ 2 hat muta to destroy Flash's build. Effort outplayed Flash straight up in the late game, he doesnt suicide lurks like July though :/. Effort vs Flash was great though, watch that.
I'll have to watch that after July comes back to win 3-2!
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1 marines into 2 speed vultures + a few gols into mms again
is that a flash build? or is it common?
he used it twice now
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MrHoon
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On July 19 2009 19:19 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Can we drop the "Flash isn't S class anymore" bullshit now?
as a rabid Flash fan, although "Not S Class anymore" was kinda bullshit you gotta admit Flash did some really really stupid stuff for the past couple months.
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Flash has to take the next game in order to do another step towards a Flash vs. Effort finals :>
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On July 19 2009 19:19 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Can we drop the "Flash isn't S class anymore" bullshit now?
It probably is bullshit, but that game doesn't prove anything. Flash would've lost against a lot of other zergs.
His TvZ slump still remains.
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On July 19 2009 19:18 Shikyo wrote:
Back when July was at 130 supply and Flash at barely 100, July just kept doing nothing with his 13 ultras, let Flash build up, get that bottom expo, and then totally failed to use his defilers.
Thats what cost him the game.
He should've attacked when Flash was trying to set up the third expansion. Even if he didnt want to,attack at least take the 5 oclock gas expo. Didnt attack or expand for like 5 minutes.
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On July 19 2009 19:20 Nokeboy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 19:18 MrHoon wrote:On July 19 2009 19:17 Nokeboy wrote:
Does anyone know how Effort and Yellow[arnc] managed to beat Flash on that map? ( yarnc has been known to be the greatest TvZr since 2007. I mean even Flash said playing against Yarnc is the hardest thing to do And he said that right in front of Luxury too lol I just want to know how. The few games I have watched with Flash on Heartbreak ridge looked impossible for anyone to beat him while he was behind most of the games:-/ Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 19:19 samachking wrote:On July 19 2009 19:17 Nokeboy wrote:
Does anyone know how Effort and Yellow[arnc] managed to beat Flash on that map? ( Yarnc used ee han timing ZvZ 2 hat muta to destroy Flash's build. Effort outplayed Flash straight up in the late game, he doesnt suicide lurks like July though :/. Effort vs Flash was great though, watch that. I'll have to watch that after July comes back to win 3-2!
all I know is against Yarnc, if Flash literally got 5 more seconds he could've won. It was a perfect EEHANTIMING
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July was...uncharacteristically passive that last game. If he tapped into his signature aggressiveness, it'd be 1-1 now D:
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On July 19 2009 19:22 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
July was...uncharacteristically passive that last game. If he tapped into his signature aggressiveness, it'd be 1-1 now D:
+ Show Spoiler +man if july drops out today it must be a very very sad day for you D:
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This was really sad to watch, one could have watched this with the image of it as an really close-combat/intense battle but nono... it was just a sloppyfest from goldenJuly's side. Come on!
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I wonder if learning SC2 properly will break your SC game because of automining, etc. Maybe that won't matter to almost everyone but there may be Koreans that can't risk losing their SC skills.
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On July 19 2009 19:19 genwar wrote:
Really badly played by July. Was absolutely terrible, what the hell was that 7 ultralisk push at the main with 0 ling backup.
the lings were all dead because they ran next to the irradiated ultra
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that was some awesome bio play... one more game flash!!
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well July is going to 5 pool now
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Btw, does anyone have any idea how July Macros like that? His macro ZvP/ZvT vs standard play is out of control, hero takes on it too, he always has equal supply or higher than P/T before suiciding when its supposed to be reversed, how does he do it?
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Yeah what eventually led to July´s loss was a total lack of harassing. He let Flash take his expansions when he wanted, didn´t try to delay them the slightest bit. I guess he didn´t even scout that bottom exp before it was already secured?
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On July 19 2009 19:22 MrHoon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +man if july drops out today it must be a very very sad day for you D:
Yes, yes it would be ._.
Comeback, I believe!
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On July 19 2009 19:22 MrHoon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 19:22 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
July was...uncharacteristically passive that last game. If he tapped into his signature aggressiveness, it'd be 1-1 now D: + Show Spoiler +man if july drops out today it must be a very very sad day for you D:
Do you remember that week?
The one following up to Flash's birthday?
=(
KT is the team good enough to inspire hope but so bad as to always destroy it. Yellow, Nal_Ra (in the savior days), Flash.
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I really don't think July played that poorly last game. Everyone was focusing on Flash losing Sci Vessels, but losing defilers and Ultras is just as big a deal. If July had ran in at all the times you guys are suggesting I don't see whey it would have gone any better.
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On July 19 2009 19:26 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 19:22 MrHoon wrote:On July 19 2009 19:22 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
July was...uncharacteristically passive that last game. If he tapped into his signature aggressiveness, it'd be 1-1 now D: + Show Spoiler +man if july drops out today it must be a very very sad day for you D: Do you remember that week? The one following up to Flash's birthday? =(
trust me, it wasnt as bad as when flash dropped all 3 leagues within a week.
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On July 19 2009 19:19 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Can we drop the "Flash isn't S class anymore" bullshit now?
Here's a better question - which Terran IS S-Class in TvZ specifically right now?
I don't think Fantasy is, though he's probably the best BoX TvZ and TvP player out there (because of his surgical builds. It's hard to argue that a player with a TvZ ELO as low as Fantasy's is actually S-class at the matchup though.
I don't think Leta is, because even though his two-port Wraith looks cute against mediocre Zergs, it gets rolled by top notch ones (I can't see Leta beating JD, Effort, Yarnc, or Zero in a series right now), and Leta has not shown much else in TvZ.
I don't think Skyhigh is, though he has the potential to be because of his aggressive style. His recent MSL losses to Zero were completely avoidable and if he closes up the holes in his play, he could be really, really scary, because he's like a Terran Kwanro. But 0-2 Zero, 1-2 July lately speak the most loudly at the moment.
And lastly, I don't think Flash is, not without reinventing his style which is just too risky. An S-class TvZ player should inspire confidence, something that nobody feels going into a Flash TvZ these days.
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On July 19 2009 19:24 Mah Buckit! wrote:
Yeah what eventually led to July´s loss was a total lack of harassing. He let Flash take his expansions when he wanted, didn´t try to delay them the slightest bit. I guess he didn´t even scout that bottom exp before it was already secured?
he actually tried to destroy Flashs expansions all game long..
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Was too busy watching, totally forgot to update results until now.
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Way to cut the mumbojumbo
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lol wtf mumbo jumbo gets cut off by game starting
outsider, july at left flash at top
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On July 19 2009 19:21 Highways wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 19:18 Shikyo wrote:
Back when July was at 130 supply and Flash at barely 100, July just kept doing nothing with his 13 ultras, let Flash build up, get that bottom expo, and then totally failed to use his defilers. Thats what cost him the game. He should've attacked when Flash was trying to set up the third expansion. Even if he didnt want to,attack at least take the 5 oclock gas expo. Didnt attack or expand for like 5 minutes.
he wasn't be able to get the defilers across the map so he couldn't attack.
pure ultra/lings can only work when flank well.
flash's expo is very well positioned, flanking is imposible
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game 3
flash 1 o clock orange
july 9 o clock green
map unknown
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MrHoon
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Anyone else miss Cheesy Flash?
These days I really miss Cheesy Flash
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Flash has the Jaedong face
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Third game is on! Outsider:
Flash at 1
July at 9
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While I would love July to win, I think it would be nice for GomTV to have the best 3 players in the game and all 3 different races take home titles. Flash, Jaedong and Bisu... Couldn't ask for more!
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July's mistake was sending scorges in front of his army. Usually it have been finished with marines sniping these scourges and then Vessels irradiating defilers
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On July 19 2009 19:26 MrHoon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 19:26 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 19 2009 19:22 MrHoon wrote:On July 19 2009 19:22 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
July was...uncharacteristically passive that last game. If he tapped into his signature aggressiveness, it'd be 1-1 now D: + Show Spoiler +man if july drops out today it must be a very very sad day for you D: Do you remember that week? The one following up to Flash's birthday? =( trust me, it wasnt as bad as when flash dropped all 3 leagues within a week.
I know, I was there, but I was just pointing up our recent despair. It hurts to be KT sometimes.
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Hahhahahaahahahahahahhaahahah at that sign!!
This is so confusing without english commentary!!
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BEST SIGN EVER
'This is confusing without English commentary'
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July sending out an early scout drone just to make sure he doesn't get cheesed
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On July 19 2009 19:28 MrHoon wrote:
Anyone else miss Cheesy Flash?
These days I really miss Cheesy Flash
I miss Winner Flash, who would be a lot more likely to come back if Cheesy Flash came back too.
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Maybe they could have a special champions group match... 3 kings Bisu Flash Jaedong... omg.
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On July 19 2009 19:29 GTR wrote:
BEST SIGN EVER
'This is confusing without English commentary'
my hero
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now i want to watch the korean vod and hear their reaction to it LOL
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MrHoon
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On July 19 2009 19:29 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 19:28 MrHoon wrote:
Anyone else miss Cheesy Flash?
These days I really miss Cheesy Flash I miss Winner Flash, who would be a lot more likely to come back if Cheesy Flash came back too.
have I told you I love you? <3
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On July 19 2009 19:29 Orbifold wrote:
Maybe they could have a special champions group match... 3 kings Bisu Flash Jaedong... omg.
That would be absolutely phenomenal.
But at the moment I'd say Effort is a heavy (around 75%) favorite in a BO5 against Flash. Can you see Effort letting in the Vultures in either of these games, or blowing game 2? No way.
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July makes 8 zerglings, Flash gets a bunker up just in time
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On July 19 2009 19:29 GTR wrote:
now i want to watch the korean vod and hear their reaction to it LOL
Probably the same reaction we have when we see a korean with a sign.
I wonder what that says
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
July ISN'T going 2 hatch on Outsider. How interesting.
8 Zerglings for July charging towards Flash's natural. wtf with that lol.
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On July 19 2009 19:30 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 19:29 Orbifold wrote:
Maybe they could have a special champions group match... 3 kings Bisu Flash Jaedong... omg. That would be absolutely phenomenal. But at the moment I'd say Effort is a heavy (around 75%) favorite in a BO5 against Flash. Can you see Effort letting in the Vultures in either of these games, or blowing game 2? No way.
I also dont see Effort getting this incredible advantage July got.
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Mystlord
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Flashin pushing out with all of his marines. Wat.
Oh never mind, Flash pulls back.
July has a ton of lings. Speedlingssssss
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22 lings out for July; danger! danger!
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
LINGGSS ALL RINES DIE!!
JULY WINS!
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Mystlord
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Well July pretty much wins. Flash has nothing to take down mutas.
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Also, why can medics heal SCVs, aren't they considered mechanical units since they can repair each other?
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FUUUUUUUUUUCK so many scvs died
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retarded medic suicides into the lings
Flash not dead but that was not good for him
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On July 19 2009 19:33 Nokeboy wrote:
Also, why can medics heal SCVs, aren't they considered mechanical units since they can repair each other?
SCVs are considered mechanical and bio
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On July 19 2009 19:27 Jefferson wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 19:24 Mah Buckit! wrote:
Yeah what eventually led to July´s loss was a total lack of harassing. He let Flash take his expansions when he wanted, didn´t try to delay them the slightest bit. I guess he didn´t even scout that bottom exp before it was already secured? he actually tried to destroy Flashs expansions all game long..
Did we watch the same game? :D
When Flash had only very little troops an was just putting up his 3rd base July did nothing.
When he went to put up 4th July just couldn´t decide should he go in or what. Also when he did his swarms and micro wasn´t helping :S
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flash goes fast expo with bunk,
july builds mass lings
rushes expo, takes down bunk, takes down marines, takesw down alot of scv
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On July 19 2009 19:33 Nokeboy wrote:
Also, why can medics heal SCVs, aren't they considered mechanical units since they can repair each other?
they can repair each other's suit and medics can heal the guys inside the suits
(haha I don't know)
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
OH GOD PLEASE LET THE PREDICTIONS BE RIGHT
OH PLEASE
LETS WIN NEXT GAME FLASH
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
July pumping lings for 7. July just needs to do some muta micro and win this.
Wow 5 lings sneak into Flash's base. That's so weird.
Mutalisks are building!!!
Flash's rines are out of position (kind of)
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On July 19 2009 19:33 Crunchums wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 19:33 Nokeboy wrote:
Also, why can medics heal SCVs, aren't they considered mechanical units since they can repair each other? SCVs are considered mechanical and bio
SCV imba
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On July 19 2009 19:33 Crunchums wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 19:33 Nokeboy wrote:
Also, why can medics heal SCVs, aren't they considered mechanical units since they can repair each other? SCVs are considered mechanical and bio
crap double post
If July loses this I will cry
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10 mutas out, Flash only has 12 marines and some turrets
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I'm afraid July will finish this with his mutas now : /
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Mystlord
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11 Mutas out for July. July not showing the best of Mutalisk control.
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flash has expo running again,
july muta harass repelled with 2 rax marines
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MrHoon
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JULY WHAT ARE YOU DOING
WHAT THE SHIT
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Hey look, July with the advantage. Looking forward to seeing how he manages to throw this game away.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
July picking off all of Flash's rines, but July is down to 7 Mutas.
5 Mutas.
July takes the dual gas expansions.
July going for Guardians or crazy Zerg.
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That shit happends to me all the time against D zerg players.
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if flash wins this... wow.
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Looks like July is going for a greater spire
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On July 19 2009 19:36 GTR wrote:
if flash wins this... wow.
think i heard this before ~
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That was beautiful muta positioning between turrets but terrible control:-x
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Looks like July is going to go for guardians; he's taken the bottom double gas and is starting a hat at the top double gas and the other main
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
+1 Attack done for Flash.
July also taking dual gas at 11.
He's also taking a base at 6.
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MrHoon
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6 gas July
I guess he can be stupid...
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Lets GO FLASH SUNK BREAK Cheesy Zergs
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Flash is a born figher after all
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Haha when Zerg gets ahead on Outsider against Terran, it's just RIDICULOUS.
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MrHoon
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On July 19 2009 19:37 MrHoon wrote:
6 gas July
I guess he can be stupid...
CARELESS not stupid my bad
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greater spire morphing, +1 air attack done
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
July screws up and just loses a Mutalisk for nothing.
Greater spire morphing for July. July has +1 attack on Mutas lol.
Defiler mound also coming up.
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MrHoon
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Mystlord
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July also has 4 scourge... and sacrifices two of them. 7 Mutas for July. Now 10. July has enough Mutas to both attack and defend with Guardians.
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greater spire done, July doing his best to lose this game
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this is getting tense, flash moving out with mnm and a tank, July not yet morphing guardians
edit: I missed three guards in the main, my bad
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
WHAT JULY HAD THE VESSEL AND SCREWED IT UP!!!
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MrHoon
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OH GOD JULY YOU COULD'VE KILLED THAT VESSEL WHAT ARE YOU DOING
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omg flash kinda back in the game
july has 3 gas though and morphing hive
still big advantage
but flash pushing out now... trying to go in
before julys tech kicks in
but...
guards already out
flash loosez some, retreats
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is many micro fail, no?
july -_-''
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MrHoon
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okay even though Julyzerg is doing stupid stuff, July just has such a huge gas econ.
I really don't think July can lose this
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take this game, take this game..cmon..
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MrHoon
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On July 19 2009 19:40 MrHoon wrote:
I really don't think July can lose this
He can.
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flash has huge m&m army and few tanks, attacks julys nat.
defesive guards are rippng it though
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Flash trying to drop top left, July gets one scourge but not the 2nd but July has a sunken there
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Irradiate on a Guardian.
July gets too careless with his guardians and loses one.
He's also morhping the rest of his Mutas to Guardians.
Flash has nothing to effectively take care of this.
Now July just needs some groudn support. One vessel gets sniped.
Flash almost loses a dropship that's attacking 12. He takes down the nexus. lings pop to clean this up. Why isn't July winning this lol.
Flash is foolishly trying to attack into July's natural. 5 Guardians clean up Flash's forces. Flash has a ton of medics though.
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MrHoon
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omg flash retreated and pushed right back into julys nat with m&m despite fdefensive gaurds... like 14 medics on scene
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Flash tries to force his way in but can't quite manage because of the guards killing all the marines
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Flash losing all of his marines, but a medic wall saves him. SCOURGE COMING IN AND SNIPES 2 VESSELS!
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Uhm, flash doesn't have a vessel cloud yet?
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
SUPER PLAGUE ON FLASH'S FORCES!
July isn't doing anything with the plague though.
Supply is even.
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MrHoon
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On July 19 2009 19:43 SilverSkyLark wrote:
Uhm, flash doesn't have a vessel cloud yet?
too many to irradiate when you have Lurkers + Defilers + Guardians to take care of
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Nice failing July, continuing the tradition, I see
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July with 100ish minerals and 1000 gas
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Flash takes out July's 6. July is still working on like 6 gas right now.
1k gas and counting for July.
4 Ultras out for July.
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MrHoon
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I don't understand how flash is living off 2 bases still.
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July lost his expo at six, but getting his first ultras out.
Flash intercepted a drop incoming on his main
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On July 19 2009 19:44 MrHoon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 19:43 SilverSkyLark wrote:
Uhm, flash doesn't have a vessel cloud yet? too many to irradiate when you have Lurkers + Defilers + Guardians to take care of
Wow, that a many gas...?
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
July now has enough gas to build about 10 ultras.
All he needs are minerals.
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Mystlord
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July finally pushing into Flash's natural. Keeps a few Ultras under swarm to keep Flash busy.
Flash irradiates them.
Flash still on 2 gas, but he's taken the 3 mineral only and now he's taking the 3 inside mineral only.
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MrHoon
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On July 19 2009 19:45 SilverSkyLark wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 19:44 MrHoon wrote:On July 19 2009 19:43 SilverSkyLark wrote:
Uhm, flash doesn't have a vessel cloud yet? too many to irradiate when you have Lurkers + Defilers + Guardians to take care of Wow, that a many gas...?
july was on 7 gas afterall (but only 3 on min)
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goddamn, FLASH IS SO GOOD O_O he defends again; this has got to be very frustrating for July
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Is july throwing this series?
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Maybe this was what Day9 was talking about in his podcasts when he says he sees July get so far ahead then start attack moving his opponents front..
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flash's macro will save him all day long, July is so gonna lose this
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commentator says ...
"although flash takes out julys undefended expo, the problem he will get is that july got so many gas. He is just rich u know"
july is in the progress of giving this away though.. he doesnt do enough damage to flash
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I think irradiate should be like plague and only take the unit to 1 health:-/ A bit lame that you can just irridiate and run away and the guy dies!
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On July 19 2009 19:46 kazokun wrote:
Is july throwing this series?
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we're talking him playing flash here.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Flash is now 50 supply ahead of July.
11 Vessels for Flash. Sigh.
JULY ATTACKING INTO FLASH'S ARMY!!! A BUNCH OF SCOURGE ALMOST TAKES OUT ALL OF FLASH'S VESSELS!
Flash pushing into July's natural. Looks like GG.
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yet again he gets 2 inches from the base... darkswarm goes up but NO lurkers?!
What the hell is he doing?
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July is going to lose this somehow.
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omg huge battle
14 scourge fly in and take out most of th evessel blob
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I dont understand TvZ anymore when Flahs plays
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Why can't july finish this yet? flash managed to turtle good?
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Flash pushing into JUly's main!!!
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MrHoon
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It's rare for a best of 5 to be this good at showing who the better player is : /
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
July consuming overlords.
Irradiated ultralisk pwning drones. Swarm in the same place loses.
July has to GG soon. Flash is pretty much double the supply of July.
GG from July.
3-0 Flash
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MrHoon
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and now flash is jus rolling in
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WINNING IN PURE FLASH FASHION!!
WHY SO SEXY FLASH?
GG
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Well, July did have 6 gas, but he only had three minerals...
Flash is damn good.
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Just doesn't make any sense how Flash wins so many games while being behind in the beginning
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On July 19 2009 19:49 darktreb wrote:
Uhh what the hell?
Flash.
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That was such a fucking epic series. How about it, guys? Is flash S-class "again"?
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MrHoon
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6 Gas July <<<<< 2 Base Flash
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OK now that game didn't make any sense. How does a 7 gas zerg lose to anything ever?
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What happened to the aggressive July .
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Well rested flash is nigh unbeatable.
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On July 19 2009 19:50 SilverSkyLark wrote:
uhm, what just happened?
Flash.
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omfg, how can july play so fucken bad late game...seriously i am not a july fan anymore after these series...................................................BAAAAAAD
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On July 19 2009 19:50 kNyTTyM wrote:
OK now that game didn't make any sense. How does a 7 gas zerg lose to anything ever?
Flash.
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On July 19 2009 19:50 Nokeboy wrote:
Just doesn't make any sense how Flash wins so many games while being behind in the beginning
imbalance obv
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TODAY IS MY HAPPY DAY
Flash with M&M ♥♥♥♥♥
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Flash is so strong late game, just outclassed july
Hopefully iris wins so flash can take the finals easily
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On July 19 2009 19:50 OneOther wrote:
wait what...
...?
Flash.
(Enough of these yet?)
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omg I know a lot of people will be crapping on how July threw that game, BUT OMG FLASH IS SO GOOD. How did he win that??
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Well as long as my LB gets better.....
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Haha, this was the least confidence inspiring 3-0 I've ever seen.
But beating Effort would be the biggest statement of all, I don't care if it's 5x BBS!
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On July 19 2009 19:51 nozaro33 wrote:
omg I know a lot of people will be crapping on how July threw that game, BUT OMG FLASH IS SO GOOD. How did he win that??
Well because July threw the game away that's how he won
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MrHoon
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HAHA THE WIERDEST BO5 EVER PLAYED WTF IS THIS
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July played horrifically bad and basically gave flash all three games wow it looked like he wasn't macroing for minutes at a time, was july thinking about stx's loss or something? He must have been daydreaming.
Flash had nothing to do with July losing... that was just insanely pathetic play.
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Ok... even Flash haters have to admit that was really impressive.
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Holy fuckin' shit.
Some epic jaw dropping just occured.
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Bye bye #5 liquibet.
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worst night of SC ever
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On July 19 2009 19:51 MrHoon wrote:
HAHA THE WIERDEST BO5 EVER PLAYED WTF IS THIS
Flash.
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Im switching to Terran, its obvious after this game that something is terrible wrong in the TvsZ matchup.
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MrHoon
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On July 19 2009 19:52 Orbifold wrote:
Ok... even Flash haters have to admit that was really impressive.
+ Show Spoiler +only people angry today are STx fans
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July's mid/late play looked so clueless these games it almost looked staged.
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Really sloppy game from July, threw away random zerglings and scourge in mini drops and into MnM groups for nothing.
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On July 19 2009 19:52 Integra wrote:
Im switching to Terran, its obvious after this game that something is terrible wrong in the TvsZ matchup.
FLASH! :D
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On July 19 2009 19:52 Ideas wrote:BEST night of SC ever
FTFY
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That was just embarassing on july's part
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Flash has basically just done the exact same thing to:
- Shuttle
- firebathero
- July x3
It's not that these guys are bad (well, maybe Shuttle is), it's more that Flash is that good.
I think I have to root for EffOrt, probably a better match than Iris vs Flash. Probably.
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yeaa, up 10 ranks, thank you Flash -_-v
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On July 19 2009 19:52 Orbifold wrote:
Ok... even Flash haters have to admit that was really impressive.
Yeah, I was very impressed by July's ability to throw games. I wasn't even concentrating on Flash play as I was watching July completely screw up gigantic leads one after another.
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nicely played by Flash
but lets see how he does against Effort.
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Hm, could we see Jason Lee and Daniel Lee next week to cast? :O
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GGs, Julys muta micro is terrible , he should stick to HydraLurk, how the fuck can you blow a lead like that, it shouldnt be possible lol . GG Flash, Iris/effort vs flash will be a great finals for sure. Really great games tonight, all 3 sets recommended.
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MrHoon
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FLASH/BISU/JAEDONG GSL/MSL/OSL WIN PLEASE
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someone should school this flash kid really hard
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flash realizes that he's pretty damn good with bio and that mech is a shitty build if your name isnt fantasy...
+ Show Spoiler +july looking a lot like modesty in today's game vs stork... ouch...
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wow July's late game ZvT is so pathetic. Two games in a row where he should've easily won.
July can only ZvP, then again almost any Zerg is good at that matchup.
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July's lategame tvz is just unbelievable bad.
I don't wanna take anything away from Flash, his macro, his defence, his lategame management, all incredible. But you are not going to win game 2 or game 3 vs the better zergs out there.
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I'm so shocked, I just can't believe July lost this, so painful to watch................How is it possible to do nearly no dmg with mutas after killing ALL marines and many scvs...........this was a joke...
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It's unfortunate, but I think alot of people already knew the outcome of this and how it was gonna happen.
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SEE WHAT DID I SAY
i knew flash was gonna take this
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On July 19 2009 19:52 Integra wrote:
Im switching to Terran, its obvious after this game that something is terrible wrong in the TvsZ matchup.
I'd say Jaedong, Effort, Calm, and Yarnc are favorites against any Terran player in the world right now in a BO1, and any Terran other than Fantasy in a BO3/BO5.
I'd still take JD/Effort over Fantasy in a best of anything too.
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wtf July could just mass muta, and win at the beginning,
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How many wons did Flash win tonight? I know he won 5 million in the quarterfinal.
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On July 19 2009 19:51 nozaro33 wrote:
omg I know a lot of people will be crapping on how July threw that game, BUT OMG FLASH IS SO GOOD. How did he win that??
you just answered your own question with your initial statement... july threw the game. I am not a biased fan. If i see someone do something good i applaud it. If i see them doing something crappy i yell at them.... July's expansion on the bottom right was doing NOTHING for like 5 minutes.. literally... not only this but 3 drones were at that expansion ALSO doing nothing for 5 minutes. He didn't capitalize on minerals. He had 6 gas for a while with only 3 minerals. Flash was on 2 minerals 2 gas. July FAILED hard.... in all honesty COMPLETELY different then his game vs best in the osl finals where he mustered a giant force quickly. This game he just didn't do ANYTHING the whole time... no chasing.... no nothing. Almost as though he was ALWAYS scared that flash would kill his army even though july's army was huge or decent sized. Then when july has only 4 ultras he decides to attack? i mean ugh nvm.. just pissed off at how it was such a 1 sided game. By 1 sided i mean july being a 1 sided fail.
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I love  July but despite all the advantages he gained he just couldn't keep up in lategame really - his decision making gets poorer as the game continues to drag out longer.
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Gotta love getting your defiliers irradiated before they even get to the place they need to defile. I still think they shouldn't actually kill a unit, just take it to 1 hp.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
T.O.P : Word from a guy called JulyZerg in my channel says that you reported results wrong. Flip the Greater than sign to a less than in Game 3 please.
:D
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Flash is insane, I can't believe those games.
Bio > Mech.
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Man thats what happens to me all the time.
I get the advantage. Im up like 80 bases. I know i just should keep my advantage and prevent harass. I just dont know how to end it properly, and usually just wait til they run out of minerals an hour later.
thats what i feel july did, just at a professional level
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I mean it just doesn't make sense to me.
I can understand how he won game 1. Game 2 showcased nice defense and july was only 4 gas. But losing vs a 2base Terran while you are on 7 gas makes no sense whatsoever.
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On July 19 2009 19:52 Integra wrote:
Im switching to Terran, its obvious after this game that something is terrible wrong in the TvsZ matchup.
kwanro beat flash on the same map, same starting positions, same ultralisks vs. sk terran.
july just isn't good enough to beat flash, let's face it.
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this was the reason july wasnt playing the playoff???
well after seeing this i tend to say good thing he didnt play
jeez how can u blow a lead like that
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On July 19 2009 19:55 Polis wrote:
wtf July could just mass muta, and win at the beginning,
he did get a lot of mutas, but at one point he got them stuck between turrets and marines and received a shitload of damage, but I totally agree that he shouldn't have lost that third game...
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starcraft is rigged like the WWE
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remember that time July took a bunch of expansions and then didn't use one of them, at all, for several minutes until Flash killed it that was just swell.
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On July 19 2009 19:57 ragnasaur wrote:
starcraft is rigged like the WWE
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I think a lot of people voted for Flash and hoped for July. I know I sure did:-P
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MrHoon
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Flash fans: I think we're getting too excited here. I may be rabid flash fan but when someone loses against a 2base terran when you have 7 Gas running (3 on min), you have thrown your goddamn game away.
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You guys know how people gawk when Jaedong wins ZvZs he has no right winning from positions far behind their opponent?
Flash can do that with against any race. 8)
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On July 19 2009 19:56 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
./wrists.
lol, I'm wondering how many + Show Spoiler + fans we will find with slit wrists tomorrow :|
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+ Show Spoiler +On July 19 2009 19:57 poilord wrote:lol, I'm wondering how many + Show Spoiler + fans we will find with slit wrists tomorrow :|
You should probably spoiler warn your whole post:-x
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If July is olympic, what level is Bisu/JD/Flash at is the question? 25000+ points on icc ftw?
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On July 19 2009 19:57 MrHoon wrote:
Flash fans: I think we're getting too excited here. I may be rabid flash fan but when someone loses against a 2base terran when you have 7 Gas running (3 on min), you have thrown your goddamn game away.
Honestly, how often does Flash have to beat people from the brink of death to get some cred? The dude does this on an alarming basis. He still has his schtick of pissing away tournaments unintelligently, but he's like the king of unreasonable comebacks.
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On July 19 2009 19:57 MrHoon wrote:
Flash fans: I think we're getting too excited here. I may be rabid flash fan but when someone loses against a 2base terran when you have 7 Gas running (3 on min), you have thrown your goddamn game away.
7 gas Zerg sounds like a crazy thing that should never exist.
July totally fucked up that last game, but Flash's play was really amazing. No other Terran could have won that.
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I dunno why July insisted on going so ultra heavy all the time with the relatively low amount of drones he had. Especially in the 3rd game. Yes, he had 3 early bases, but the backwards expansions have really few minerals on Outsider and despite having 4 gas early and then 6 gas (not counting the bottom right expo, which he only had for a short time) he only was mining minerals from his main (not even 1 drone per patch I think?), natural and the bottom backwards base.
He also got too eager early on when he killed Flash's bunker & marines and forced him to lift his CC. The SCVs & medics defended the choke well, he should have retreated and waited a bit to finish it with muta/ling
bad series ~
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wow, zergs shouldnt even bother using defilers against flash. Had July dropped a couple lurkers to take care of flashs mineral only...
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Good job Flash :O
As bizarre as that all was it's pretty plain to see Flash just wanted it alot more.
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MrHoon
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On July 19 2009 19:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 19:57 MrHoon wrote:
Flash fans: I think we're getting too excited here. I may be rabid flash fan but when someone loses against a 2base terran when you have 7 Gas running (3 on min), you have thrown your goddamn game away. Honestly, how often does Flash have to beat people from the brink of death to get some cred? The dude does this on an alarming basis. He still has his schtick of pissing away tournaments unintelligently, but he's like the king of unreasonable comebacks.
true, I must agree with this.
But I highly doubt anyone will mark this game as Flash's win, more of a July's Failure
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On July 19 2009 20:00 Carnac wrote:
(not counting the bottom right expo, which he only had for a short time)
he had that one forever although the commentators didn't mention it, he just wasn't mining from it at all (despite hurting for minerals like crazy)
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On July 19 2009 19:56 poilord wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 19:55 Polis wrote:
wtf July could just mass muta, and win at the beginning, he did get a lot of mutas, but at one point he got them stuck between turrets and marines and received a shitload of damage, but I totally agree that he shouldn't have lost that third game...
He got not much more then 12, and started to tech, he could easily mass ridiculous amount of mutas from all those gases that he had (that would kill Flash before he could get a vessel, and his marine count would be kept down). Instead he did go for immobile tech that just pushed him into defensive position, and let Flash expand.
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On July 19 2009 19:57 MrHoon wrote:
Flash fans: I think we're getting too excited here. I may be rabid flash fan but when someone loses against a 2base terran when you have 7 Gas running (3 on min), you have thrown your goddamn game away.
It was flash's cool head that kept him from gging and staying in the game, july took 7 gas and that was it he was only on 3 mineral bases, the guards didnt do any damage and he kept letting his defilers get sniped before taking out the vessels. Against flash macro even off 2-3 base you've gotta be spot on and unfortuantly july's late game just screwed him up
edit: But i agree with you, that was julys game to lose
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
LOL IM DOING DIZ INTERVIEW SMIX/KONA GTFO
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On July 19 2009 19:55 Nokeboy wrote:
Gotta love getting your defiliers irradiated before they even get to the place they need to defile. I still think they shouldn't actually kill a unit, just take it to 1 hp.
No way. This would make it all but impossible to kill defilers, and late-game TvZ is hard enough as it is since it takes forever to kill ultralisks.
A defiler (not caught in the open) usually gets off at least two swarms or plagues before it dies. If it didn't die then - needed to be killed, by tank or firebat only mind you - that's another 2 or 3 swarms. A terran literally couldn't stop that - killing the defilers to stop the swarms and let the m&m rule the open field is how Terran keeps up with ultra-ling-lurk, and even then it's a close call.
As far as these games, even though Flash's play was amazing, July was missing lurkers and not making enough scourge (to control vessel numbers). Also losing some defilers with poor placement.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On July 19 2009 20:02 iggyfisk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 20:00 Carnac wrote:
(not counting the bottom right expo, which he only had for a short time) he had that one forever although the commentators didn't mention it, he just wasn't mining from it at all (despite hurting for minerals like crazy)
Yes, I misworded that. I meant from which he was only mining from for a short time.
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Not really inspiring from Flash. I know people are all "omg Flash so good!" but seriously, if you don't think Effort is going to win games like game 2 and 3 with those huge advantages July had, you're fooling yourselves.
I hope Flash keeps practicing, he's my favorite player and he really needs this GSL win over Effort to prove he can still take a league. Go go go Flash!
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On July 19 2009 19:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 19:57 MrHoon wrote:
Flash fans: I think we're getting too excited here. I may be rabid flash fan but when someone loses against a 2base terran when you have 7 Gas running (3 on min), you have thrown your goddamn game away. Honestly, how often does Flash have to beat people from the brink of death to get some cred? The dude does this on an alarming basis. He still has his schtick of pissing away tournaments unintelligently, but he's like the king of unreasonable comebacks.
If it were one of the top 5 or 6 zergs in ELO or KesPa rank in the position where July was after that 3 hatch all-in lings on Outsider, they would have capitalized and won right there with mutaling. However, July didn't capitalize, and as the game progressed he got outmacrod, outmultitasked. He lost focus. Game 3 wasn't about Flash winning, but more about July losing.
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I think regarding defense/comebacks Game 2 of this series rivaled his ace game vs Firebathero and Game 1 vs Shuttle. However, Flash had no business winning that third game.
7 gas zerg vs 2 base Terran should be able to a-move mass ultras into the terran army and reinforce with mass ultras.
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I'm switching now to be a Jaedong fan. T_T
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On July 19 2009 20:04 kNyTTyM wrote:
I think regarding defense/comebacks Game 2 of this series rivaled his ace game vs Firebathero and Game 1 vs Shuttle. However, Flash had no business winning that third game.
7 gas zerg vs 2 base Terran should be able to a-move mass ultras into the terran army and reinforce with mass ultras. Ultras cost a lot of minerals as well, which July didn't have.
He had his main (which didn't even have 1 drone per patch for a long, long time), his nat, and one backwards expansion (those mine out fast). In fact I wouldn't be surprised if Flash mined more minerals that game than July did.
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god july played horrible
edit: On a side note, Flash is undefeated (!!!) in this tournament
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On July 19 2009 20:10 Sunyveil wrote:
god july played horrible
edit: On a side note, Flash is undefeated (!!!) in this tournament
Effort will do something about that in the Finals im sure =D
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On July 19 2009 20:10 Sunyveil wrote:
edit: On a side note, Flash is undefeated (!!!) in this tournament
FUCK YEAH !!! + He didnt play his best mu even
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Off-topic: Effort Yarnc ZvZ is awesome.
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July had like 2k gas in the bank and really shitty ling count. He was obviously hurting for minerals
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Yeah people are overhyping the 7 gas zerg thing: four of those gases had no mineral backing. What's he gonna do, mass 50 scourge?
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MrHoon
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Not to mention that four of them were 2,5 k gasses and the fifth got shut down before he mined more than ~300 from it.
When he lost every single gas he had was depleted and he had close to zero mineral income.
Those doubble gasses allow you to throw up ridicoulus amounts of tech very fast, but they offer no long term support for it since they mine out so fast.
July's real mistake that game imo was not nydusing his other main base.
But yeah, he should have won ><, (like all the games *cry*)
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On July 19 2009 20:15 Batibot323 wrote:
Off-topic: Effort Yarnc ZvZ is awesome.
wow, that was unrelated xD
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On July 19 2009 20:04 R04R wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 19:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 19 2009 19:57 MrHoon wrote:
Flash fans: I think we're getting too excited here. I may be rabid flash fan but when someone loses against a 2base terran when you have 7 Gas running (3 on min), you have thrown your goddamn game away. Honestly, how often does Flash have to beat people from the brink of death to get some cred? The dude does this on an alarming basis. He still has his schtick of pissing away tournaments unintelligently, but he's like the king of unreasonable comebacks. If it were one of the top 5 or 6 zergs in ELO or KesPa rank in the position where July was after that 3 hatch all-in lings on Outsider, they would have capitalized and won right there with mutaling. However, July didn't capitalize, and as the game progressed he got outmacrod, outmultitasked. He lost focus. Game 3 wasn't about Flash winning, but more about July losing.
I like how you cut it off at 5 or 6, right before July, who is at seventh. :> I'm not saying a better zerg couldn't win in that position, but it's a discredit to Flash whenever he stages a massive comeback with brilliant play only to get snubbed with "god x threw that game away." The only, only, only reason the game is 'thrown away' is because Flash is good enough to still take the game.
I'll accept that Jaedong or Yarnc would've won that game, but people act like Flash never deserves his wins.
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On July 19 2009 20:37 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 20:04 R04R wrote:On July 19 2009 19:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 19 2009 19:57 MrHoon wrote:
Flash fans: I think we're getting too excited here. I may be rabid flash fan but when someone loses against a 2base terran when you have 7 Gas running (3 on min), you have thrown your goddamn game away. Honestly, how often does Flash have to beat people from the brink of death to get some cred? The dude does this on an alarming basis. He still has his schtick of pissing away tournaments unintelligently, but he's like the king of unreasonable comebacks. If it were one of the top 5 or 6 zergs in ELO or KesPa rank in the position where July was after that 3 hatch all-in lings on Outsider, they would have capitalized and won right there with mutaling. However, July didn't capitalize, and as the game progressed he got outmacrod, outmultitasked. He lost focus. Game 3 wasn't about Flash winning, but more about July losing. I like how you cut it off at 5 or 6, right before July, who is at seventh. :> I'm not saying a better zerg couldn't win in that position, but it's a discredit to Flash whenever he stages a massive comeback with brilliant play only to get snubbed with "god x threw that game away." The only, only, only reason the game is 'thrown away' is because Flash is good enough to still take the game. I'll accept that Jaedong or Yarnc would've won that game, but people act like Flash never deserves his wins.
Yeah, i remember the same shit happening over the FBH and Flash game, give credit where credit is due. Good to see flash slowly returning to form
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sREKRUL backwards is the answer .. lack of them..
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On July 19 2009 19:50 FearDarkness wrote:What happened to the aggressive July .
that's exactly why he lost i belive, too aggressive.. T_T
should've stayed back, do some gay things to wear flash down ://
Oh god waht a sad day
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So, who else is looking forward to a relatively old school Iris vs July 3rd place match?
Funny how Flash vs Effort and Iris vs July would be about 100x more appealing than Flash vs Iris (Flash rolls easy) and Effort vs July (Effort rolls easy).
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On July 19 2009 20:39 WrongEdge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 20:37 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 19 2009 20:04 R04R wrote:On July 19 2009 19:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 19 2009 19:57 MrHoon wrote:
Flash fans: I think we're getting too excited here. I may be rabid flash fan but when someone loses against a 2base terran when you have 7 Gas running (3 on min), you have thrown your goddamn game away. Honestly, how often does Flash have to beat people from the brink of death to get some cred? The dude does this on an alarming basis. He still has his schtick of pissing away tournaments unintelligently, but he's like the king of unreasonable comebacks. If it were one of the top 5 or 6 zergs in ELO or KesPa rank in the position where July was after that 3 hatch all-in lings on Outsider, they would have capitalized and won right there with mutaling. However, July didn't capitalize, and as the game progressed he got outmacrod, outmultitasked. He lost focus. Game 3 wasn't about Flash winning, but more about July losing. I like how you cut it off at 5 or 6, right before July, who is at seventh. :> I'm not saying a better zerg couldn't win in that position, but it's a discredit to Flash whenever he stages a massive comeback with brilliant play only to get snubbed with "god x threw that game away." The only, only, only reason the game is 'thrown away' is because Flash is good enough to still take the game. I'll accept that Jaedong or Yarnc would've won that game, but people act like Flash never deserves his wins. Yeah, i remember the same shit happening over the FBH and Flash game, give credit where credit is due. Good to see flash slowly returning to form
So true. I mean, to actually get a comeback you have to depend on your opponent making mistakes. Flash managed to make ALL the right decisions to inch himself back into the game. Yes July threw game 3 away, but I'm sick and tired of hearing "omg XX so threw that game way Flash isn't S-class he sux" I sure don't see much people pissing off at Jaedong when he pulls off a insane comeback. (POV of a Biased Flash fan)
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Effort/Flash, still gonna be a good final. Wanted July to make the run.
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On July 19 2009 19:54 Malinor wrote:
July's lategame tvz is just unbelievable bad.
I don't wanna take anything away from Flash, his macro, his defence, his lategame management, all incredible. But you are not going to win game 2 or game 3 vs the better zergs out there.
your bad
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On July 19 2009 21:20 nozaro33 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 20:39 WrongEdge wrote:On July 19 2009 20:37 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 19 2009 20:04 R04R wrote:On July 19 2009 19:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 19 2009 19:57 MrHoon wrote:
Flash fans: I think we're getting too excited here. I may be rabid flash fan but when someone loses against a 2base terran when you have 7 Gas running (3 on min), you have thrown your goddamn game away. Honestly, how often does Flash have to beat people from the brink of death to get some cred? The dude does this on an alarming basis. He still has his schtick of pissing away tournaments unintelligently, but he's like the king of unreasonable comebacks. If it were one of the top 5 or 6 zergs in ELO or KesPa rank in the position where July was after that 3 hatch all-in lings on Outsider, they would have capitalized and won right there with mutaling. However, July didn't capitalize, and as the game progressed he got outmacrod, outmultitasked. He lost focus. Game 3 wasn't about Flash winning, but more about July losing. I like how you cut it off at 5 or 6, right before July, who is at seventh. :> I'm not saying a better zerg couldn't win in that position, but it's a discredit to Flash whenever he stages a massive comeback with brilliant play only to get snubbed with "god x threw that game away." The only, only, only reason the game is 'thrown away' is because Flash is good enough to still take the game. I'll accept that Jaedong or Yarnc would've won that game, but people act like Flash never deserves his wins. Yeah, i remember the same shit happening over the FBH and Flash game, give credit where credit is due. Good to see flash slowly returning to form So true. I mean, to actually get a comeback you have to depend on your opponent making mistakes. Flash managed to make ALL the right decisions to inch himself back into the game. Yes July threw game 3 away, but I'm sick and tired of hearing "omg XX so threw that game way Flash isn't S-class he sux" I sure don't see much people pissing off at Jaedong when he pulls off a insane comeback. (POV of a Biased Flash fan)
Yes but why does he have to be in that position practically every game against Zerg =/
It's getting harder and harder to be excited about amazing Flash wins (and yes they have been quite amazing!) when he makes no progress toward winning OSL/MSL each season and even right now it feels like he's got very little chance to beat the ZvT MONSTER Effort in a BO5.
That's the curse of Flash - the expectations for him have always been unreasonably high. Basically, become the greatest player of all time or you're a failure.
While the previous three Starleague seasons seemed like speedbump flukes (oops I lost to ForGG playing retardedly, oops I lost to Luxury by somehow having 2000 mins at 130 supply, oops I got 2 Hatched twice by Yarnc, oops I lost to GGPlay on Plasma somehow, oops I lost to Best, oops I got BBSed by Leta), this past epic fail (1-4 in games that mattered, getting murdered in all 4 losses) has made it painfully clear that Flash is a long way from even winning another Starleague (not counting GSL here), forget becoming the greatest player of all time like was practically expected 15 months ago.
As a side note, Flash is now guaranteed to win or lose to the winner of all 4 GOM leagues (counting GSI). I guess that's not saying much when you make 3 of the 4 finals.
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On July 19 2009 21:29 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 21:20 nozaro33 wrote:On July 19 2009 20:39 WrongEdge wrote:On July 19 2009 20:37 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 19 2009 20:04 R04R wrote:On July 19 2009 19:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:On July 19 2009 19:57 MrHoon wrote:
Flash fans: I think we're getting too excited here. I may be rabid flash fan but when someone loses against a 2base terran when you have 7 Gas running (3 on min), you have thrown your goddamn game away. Honestly, how often does Flash have to beat people from the brink of death to get some cred? The dude does this on an alarming basis. He still has his schtick of pissing away tournaments unintelligently, but he's like the king of unreasonable comebacks. If it were one of the top 5 or 6 zergs in ELO or KesPa rank in the position where July was after that 3 hatch all-in lings on Outsider, they would have capitalized and won right there with mutaling. However, July didn't capitalize, and as the game progressed he got outmacrod, outmultitasked. He lost focus. Game 3 wasn't about Flash winning, but more about July losing. I like how you cut it off at 5 or 6, right before July, who is at seventh. :> I'm not saying a better zerg couldn't win in that position, but it's a discredit to Flash whenever he stages a massive comeback with brilliant play only to get snubbed with "god x threw that game away." The only, only, only reason the game is 'thrown away' is because Flash is good enough to still take the game. I'll accept that Jaedong or Yarnc would've won that game, but people act like Flash never deserves his wins. Yeah, i remember the same shit happening over the FBH and Flash game, give credit where credit is due. Good to see flash slowly returning to form So true. I mean, to actually get a comeback you have to depend on your opponent making mistakes. Flash managed to make ALL the right decisions to inch himself back into the game. Yes July threw game 3 away, but I'm sick and tired of hearing "omg XX so threw that game way Flash isn't S-class he sux" I sure don't see much people pissing off at Jaedong when he pulls off a insane comeback. (POV of a Biased Flash fan) That's the curse of Flash - the expectations for him have always been unreasonably high. Basically, become the greatest player of all time or you're a failure.
Truer words couldn't have been said.
Flash has such high expectations because we've seen glimpses of what he's capable of. Flash is the type of player that when he plays his best he is totally and entirely unstoppable to the point that the only person with a glimmer of hope of keeping up is Jaedong.
I honestly believe Flash is probably the most skilled player out there right now but he's just not showing what he did just a year ago.
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Russian Federation1208 Posts
This was July's defeat, not Flash's victory
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On July 19 2009 19:53 Musoeun wrote:
Flash has basically just done the exact same thing to:
- Shuttle
- firebathero
- July x3
It's not that these guys are bad (well, maybe Shuttle is), it's more that Flash is that good.
I think I have to root for EffOrt, probably a better match than Iris vs Flash. Probably.
Erm, I didn't catch the games but Flash and FBH were even economically for almost the entire game.
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can a mod fix the results? please?
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I think Flash will beat Effort because Effort still has to train for Proleague, and his team is relying on him to play 2 games a night.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Hohoh, well done Flash. FOR AIUR? Oh wait... Not really :D
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United States20661 Posts
I can't believe Flash has a 100% win ratio in this tournament. That's unreal, judging by how many games are played.
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The third game was actually really well-played by Flash, I thought.
He didn't scout the 'ling rush and still managed to stay alive against ~30 'lings with only 8 marines and amazing SCV micro, though was well behind.
The crazy thing is, after that, July didn't play as badly as lot of people think. I think his muta micro was so-so and he made a miscalculation and had too many gas expansions and not enough minerals, but he still did okay. Flash was just terrific continuing to apply pressure before July got too big too handle.
Game 2 was mostly July's fault, but game 3 was a legitimately awesome comeback from Flash.
I think Flash should just be obsessive about scouting when he's up against zergs, like a toss player would. He just would win against so many of these weird builds against him.
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On July 20 2009 01:33 StorrZerg wrote:
can a mod fix the results? please?
Fixed. I didn't know it was wrong. I updated the results and went to sleep.
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release VoDs SO i can study the last game so i can begin own 7 bases zerg as Terran
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What?! For sure I thought July would win game 3 after his mass ling killed ALL of Flash's marines. Nice comeback.
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On July 19 2009 20:04 Vasoline73 wrote:
Not really inspiring from Flash. I know people are all "omg Flash so good!" but seriously, if you don't think Effort is going to win games like game 2 and 3 with those huge advantages July had, you're fooling yourselves.
I hope Flash keeps practicing, he's my favorite player and he really needs this GSL win over Effort to prove he can still take a league. Go go go Flash!
Overlooking Iris is a big mistake.
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On July 20 2009 06:18 Postaljester wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2009 20:04 Vasoline73 wrote:
Not really inspiring from Flash. I know people are all "omg Flash so good!" but seriously, if you don't think Effort is going to win games like game 2 and 3 with those huge advantages July had, you're fooling yourselves.
I hope Flash keeps practicing, he's my favorite player and he really needs this GSL win over Effort to prove he can still take a league. Go go go Flash! Overlooking Iris is a big mistake.
Yea seriously, Berserker does have the TvZ to steamroll effort, and not to mention they are on the fucking same team. I think Berserker vs Effort could very well go all 5 games. Iris has been playing great starcraft all year, dont sleep on him.
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On July 20 2009 02:41 Last Romantic wrote:
I can't believe Flash has a 100% win ratio in this tournament. That's unreal, judging by how many games are played.
Holy shit I just noticed this too! Flash is one crazy mofo~
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On July 20 2009 07:13 mog87 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2009 06:18 Postaljester wrote:On July 19 2009 20:04 Vasoline73 wrote:
Not really inspiring from Flash. I know people are all "omg Flash so good!" but seriously, if you don't think Effort is going to win games like game 2 and 3 with those huge advantages July had, you're fooling yourselves.
I hope Flash keeps practicing, he's my favorite player and he really needs this GSL win over Effort to prove he can still take a league. Go go go Flash! Overlooking Iris is a big mistake. Yea seriously, Berserker does have the TvZ to steamroll effort, and not to mention they are on the fucking same team. I think Berserker vs Effort could very well go all 5 games. Iris has been playing great starcraft all year, dont sleep on him.
The only reason Iris has even a tiny chance is that he and Effort are on the same team.
+ Show Spoiler [PL] +And also because neither player will be practicing much for this with PL Playoffs against Samsung happening right before it.
Iris has been playing solid all year but watch, oh, the last FIFTEEN ZvTs Effort has played. Other than the Flash BBS fail, Effort has looked absolutely unstoppable. Effort's ZvT in a BO5, especially against someone other than surgical-precision-build Fantasy, is currently one of the safest possible bets in SC.
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Man so not worth staying up till 7AM to watch lol. July played good but his late-game weakness vs Terran really showed through that game. I'm very surprised that July went 3hatch for games 2 and 3 knowing how weak he is in the lategame. I'm proud of him for getting this far in the tourney and playing good in the early/mid game, but I'm sad he's eliminated and not going to blizzcon any more (or is he able to compete in a 3rd place match or something?)
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On July 20 2009 08:20 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2009 07:13 mog87 wrote:On July 20 2009 06:18 Postaljester wrote:On July 19 2009 20:04 Vasoline73 wrote:
Not really inspiring from Flash. I know people are all "omg Flash so good!" but seriously, if you don't think Effort is going to win games like game 2 and 3 with those huge advantages July had, you're fooling yourselves.
I hope Flash keeps practicing, he's my favorite player and he really needs this GSL win over Effort to prove he can still take a league. Go go go Flash! Overlooking Iris is a big mistake. Yea seriously, Berserker does have the TvZ to steamroll effort, and not to mention they are on the fucking same team. I think Berserker vs Effort could very well go all 5 games. Iris has been playing great starcraft all year, dont sleep on him. The only reason Iris has even a tiny chance is that he and Effort are on the same team. + Show Spoiler [PL] +And also because neither player will be practicing much for this with PL Playoffs against Samsung happening right before it. Iris has been playing solid all year but watch, oh, the last FIFTEEN ZvTs Effort has played. Other than the Flash BBS fail, Effort has looked absolutely unstoppable. Effort's ZvT in a BO5, especially against someone other than surgical-precision-build Fantasy, is currently one of the safest possible bets in SC.
Why on earth would you bring up Fantasy when talking about TvZ?
TvP the guy is a monster... TvT the guy is a monster... but TvZ? Lol... Fantasy doesn't have jaw dropping TvZ by any means, in fact his precision builds still possess small holes that players like EffOrt excel at exploiting.
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Effort most likely won't be able to exploit a hole in a build he's never seen before. Fantasy's TvZ is all about preparation and counter-preparation. A new build is usually good for one game against a good zerg before you have to do something new, unless you can disguise it well and switch it up.
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Fantasy still hasn't played enough TvZs to be truly tested or not. But he did take JD to a 5th game and any Terran who can do that is clearly S-class.
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On July 20 2009 08:50 Ideas wrote:
Fantasy still hasn't played enough TvZs to be truly tested or not. But he did take JD to a 5th game and any Terran who can do that is clearly S-class.
efforts zvt is also s-class these days...
effort vs flash would be an epic final.
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ow july it's ok see you at blizzcon
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On July 20 2009 08:53 Black Gun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2009 08:50 Ideas wrote:
Fantasy still hasn't played enough TvZs to be truly tested or not. But he did take JD to a 5th game and any Terran who can do that is clearly S-class. efforts zvt is also s-class these days... effort vs flash would be an epic final.
effort will win!
for pride
for zerg
for overmind
for jaedong
for sAviOr
for CJ!
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On July 20 2009 08:29 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2009 08:20 darktreb wrote:On July 20 2009 07:13 mog87 wrote:On July 20 2009 06:18 Postaljester wrote:On July 19 2009 20:04 Vasoline73 wrote:
Not really inspiring from Flash. I know people are all "omg Flash so good!" but seriously, if you don't think Effort is going to win games like game 2 and 3 with those huge advantages July had, you're fooling yourselves.
I hope Flash keeps practicing, he's my favorite player and he really needs this GSL win over Effort to prove he can still take a league. Go go go Flash! Overlooking Iris is a big mistake. Yea seriously, Berserker does have the TvZ to steamroll effort, and not to mention they are on the fucking same team. I think Berserker vs Effort could very well go all 5 games. Iris has been playing great starcraft all year, dont sleep on him. The only reason Iris has even a tiny chance is that he and Effort are on the same team. + Show Spoiler [PL] +And also because neither player will be practicing much for this with PL Playoffs against Samsung happening right before it. Iris has been playing solid all year but watch, oh, the last FIFTEEN ZvTs Effort has played. Other than the Flash BBS fail, Effort has looked absolutely unstoppable. Effort's ZvT in a BO5, especially against someone other than surgical-precision-build Fantasy, is currently one of the safest possible bets in SC. Why on earth would you bring up Fantasy when talking about TvZ? TvP the guy is a monster... TvT the guy is a monster... but TvZ? Lol... Fantasy doesn't have jaw dropping TvZ by any means, in fact his precision builds still possess small holes that players like EffOrt excel at exploiting.
Fantasy's TvZ isn't amazing, and I wouldn't bet my life on him winning some random proleague game.
But Fantasy has proven time and time again that he is a force to be reckoned with in a BO5 series, coming up with builds that don't just win but straight up dismantle his opponents with greater regularity than any other Terran. See OSL finals game 4 against Stork, games 1 and 2 against Jaedong for examples. Not to mention the GGPlay series which evolved into a revolution all by itself.
On a somewhat unrelated note, I think Fantasy's TvT is somewhat overrated, as is Leta's. Fantasy won a couple of cheese builds against Flash when Flash was retarded, but when they play straight up Flash has crushed him every time. Fantasy has also lost unconvincingly to Skyhigh (the second best TvT player in my opinion) and even Lomo of all people in a macro game. The only great long TvT Fantasy has played lately was against Leta when Leta gave away 7 Dropships, and this is the same Leta who just got murdered two straight by Skyhigh on the same map.
I don't think we can say Fantasy's TvT is monstrous, though his TvP indisputably is.
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Glad to see Flash won but... his play still leaves sth to be desired... In both games 2 and 3 he felt significantly behind and then had to pull out amazing comebacks.
Yet again Flash decided to save on turrets in the game on Heartbreake Ridhe which slowed him down significantly. On the Outsider he let his scout die early and got almost defeated by lings.
On the other hand he seemed to win the mind game against July. I think July was hesitant at times against Flash and that allow Flash to come back in both 2nd and 3rd game...
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this series was really weird..
flash pulled an amazing comeback in game 2. I dont think july particularly blew it that game, and flash just played great.
Game 3 was a different story. July fucked up so hard i can't even believe it.
not to mention his complete lack of pressure on Flash's expos was astounding. Its so fucking easy to put lurkers behind flash's 3rd on outsider.. he even had drop. I dont understand!!
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On July 20 2009 14:15 dekuschrub wrote:
this series was really weird..
flash pulled an amazing comeback in game 2. I dont think july particularly blew it that game, and flash just played great.
Game 3 was a different story. July fucked up so hard i can't even believe it.
not to mention his complete lack of pressure on Flash's expos was astounding. Its so fucking easy to put lurkers behind flash's 3rd on outsider.. he even had drop. I dont understand!!
Yeah, game 2 was an amazing late game play by Flash. I watched on the edge of my seat as he was clawing his way back into the game. But game 3... Man... I just couldn't understand what I was watching. July was playing really bad.
I guess the interview with Flash explains a bit July's play. Apparently July lost his confidence after game 2 and become really nervous.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Flash is going to beat Effort in the finals (should effort beat iris) simply because it is a BO5.
Flash has had MANY MANY more BO5 matches than Effort. IIRC, Effort has never played a BO5, and I really do think that would be telling.
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Really want to see Flash win this please. :D
Hope for an epic BO5 vs two great player...
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pls die Iris
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Flash coming back from seemingly almost losing is a credit to his timing and game sense.
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Germany2762 Posts
actually i'm pretty surprised that he won in such a clear way (3-0). after his recent tvz performances i even thought he wouldn't advance at all. but seems like he got is stuff together and showed why he is one of the best terrans. i've only seen the first game though... but that was a very solid performance.
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in my humble but entirely correct opinion
all games were heavily in favor of july fjsldghskalfjdsagldsa
how on earth did he lose ANY of those, let alone all three -_-
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Germany2762 Posts
hm i haven't seen game 2 and 3, but imho the first one was pretty even.
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effort > flash in final
forgot to mention judging from all 3 game and just game 2 flash is not in a good enough form in TvZ to take one jaedong or effort. i mean wow - -"...
july had it but mehhhh i don't know how he dropped those
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On July 20 2009 22:05 jhNz wrote:
hm i haven't seen game 2 and 3, but imho the first one was pretty even.
third one was like 7 gas vs 2, and in both games 2 and 3 July at one point had a 30 supply lead.
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Effort has to beat Iris doesn't he?
You underestimate Iris.
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On July 20 2009 14:27 Lebesgue wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2009 14:15 dekuschrub wrote:
this series was really weird..
flash pulled an amazing comeback in game 2. I dont think july particularly blew it that game, and flash just played great.
Game 3 was a different story. July fucked up so hard i can't even believe it.
not to mention his complete lack of pressure on Flash's expos was astounding. Its so fucking easy to put lurkers behind flash's 3rd on outsider.. he even had drop. I dont understand!! Yeah, game 2 was an amazing late game play by Flash. I watched on the edge of my seat as he was clawing his way back into the game. But game 3... Man... I just couldn't understand what I was watching. July was playing really bad. I guess the interview with Flash explains a bit July's play. Apparently July lost his confidence after game 2 and become really nervous.
why TT when does july lose his nervs? its so not like him
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On July 21 2009 00:17 SuperJongMan wrote:
Effort has to beat Iris doesn't he?
You underestimate Iris.
Iris vs go.go for an example of why Iris' decision making isn't enough to take Effort.
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On July 21 2009 01:16 Zzoram wrote:
When are the vods up?
vods are up. Check gomtv.net.
Iris has a shot against Effort as they are team-mates and within team battles are usualy more balanced. But still, Effort is a heavy favourite against Iris, no doubt.
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On July 20 2009 14:15 dekuschrub wrote:
this series was really weird..
flash pulled an amazing comeback in game 2. I dont think july particularly blew it that game, and flash just played great.
Game 3 was a different story. July fucked up so hard i can't even believe it.
not to mention his complete lack of pressure on Flash's expos was astounding. Its so fucking easy to put lurkers behind flash's 3rd on outsider.. he even had drop. I dont understand!!
just saw the games.
fully agree for game 3. get 2 lurks, drop researched. what does july do, drops a defiler/3 ultralisks or so in the main. so lol
and his lack of defence at his 6 oclock expo which was running for like 4 minutes and dies to 4 marines was just so bad..
in game 2 july just sucked ultrahardcore. it was so painful to watch how a zerg with drop researched cant get a defiler down the map to support his 15 ultralisks or so. lol. i was sitting here like "wtf.. WTF MAN WTF" god
i also dont understand why july didnt take the mid/5th gas at bottom right. god this game was so weird
well, i gota say flashs bio is really really good. but julys zvt just sucks. i mean i always thought he plays non standard cause he is tired of doing so in televised games. but now i think he does it cause he has no chance to win against ppl like flash. his multitasking just sucks
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On July 21 2009 01:19 Zzoram wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2009 00:17 SuperJongMan wrote:
Effort has to beat Iris doesn't he?
You underestimate Iris. Iris vs go.go for an example of why Iris' decision making isn't enough to take Effort.
Well the last time we underestimated Iris was going into Shinhan 3 OSL semi-finals. I even remember people laughing that Iris said he is 50/50 with sAviOr in practice. After that series nobody was laughing and we all gained a great respect for Iris' skills. You can't write this guy off ever
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People thinking Effort is autowin vs Flash better rewatch or watch for the first time Effort vs Mind in this tourney, if not for cross map on a map as imba as gods garden in game 1, effort wont even be anywhere near this stage of the tourney. People are underestimating Flash's TvZ, late game no Terran in the world comes anywhere close to touching him and only Jaedong/Effort can give him a run for his money in a management game, the games will be really close for sure, Flash's "Slump" is only his timings being really weird with his new build and him getting owned by timing attacks in the early-midgame, he seemed to fix some of that in this series vs July. Flash vs Effort will be just epic, and I favour Flash to win this as he figured how to play Heartbreak properly to avenge his previous loss. Outsider and Gods Garden are just pure garbage for TvZ though :/
Edit: Also Flash's build was probably his answer to allow him to play TvZ SK terran style on Gods Garden without straight up dying to mutaharass, and he probably transitioned it to other maps too seeing how effective the midgame is before dying instantly to mutas. Cant wait to see Flash's late game vs a top class zerg is.
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unfortunetly July was pretty much obliderated by Flash ... i was hoping for some 3-1 or even 3-2 long epic series T_T + i wanted July to win cause he is oldschool and i love watching oldschool players . They usually have much more style then new gamers , but just USUALLY ...
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Being eliminated from the MSL AND OSL Flash needs to win this tournament bad
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July could have won some of those games.. his late game is just bad !
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Im still so surpirsed that July went 3hatch in games 2 and 3. Like, IMO it just takes balls for someone with his poor lategame to go 3hatch vs the best lategame Terran on earth. I really wanted to see him do a lot of aggressive builds but we didnt
Whats really surprising is that he wasnt very aggressive despite Kwanro being able to beat flash using aggressive tactics last week. I really wanted to see some 2hatch lurker or hydralurker/defiler late game
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so top 2 players get free trip to Blizzcon?
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Kentor
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On July 22 2009 06:00 anch wrote:
so top 2 players get free trip to Blizzcon?
top 3. there will be a match to decide who's 3rd and 4th i guess
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