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On May 23 2009 02:29 Ideas wrote:
I really dont get how CJ is winning the best zerg poll (well I do it's because CJ fans are fucking blind)
Effort is really good, but kwanro and savior are HORRIBLE (well kwanro is OK). July still has the highest ZvP ELO in the game, Calm easily competes with effort for 2nd best zerg, and by.hero has really good ZvP (and decent ZvT/ZvZ), not to mention a OSL semis appearance last season.
STX has the best Zerg lineup on any team, undeniable
wat
Savior is the only zerg bonjwa
even if you be super generous and say july = savior historically
you still have
effort > calm
kwanro ~= by.hero
and speaking of zvp ELO:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/detailed-elo?race=Z#tblt-1996-1-9-DESC
(Z)sAviOr - 2270
(Z)Jaedong - 2236
(Z)July - 2224
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I voted STX for best zergs initially due to my inherent fanboyism, but now that I really think of it, it's almost too close to call.
Savior ≥ July Historically? Ok, yeah, sure. If this poll is measuring the current lineup strength, which I'm pretty sure it is, I think you'll agree that July > Savior.
Kwanro = By.Hero I can agree with. Kwanro has a ELO edge, but I think hero has potential he's not yet had a chance to prove.
EffOrt > Calm.... This really pains me to admit as Calm is my favorite player, but EffOrt is an absolute beast and will probably take up permenent residence as the #2 zerg.
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On May 23 2009 02:35 fusionsdf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2009 02:29 Ideas wrote:
I really dont get how CJ is winning the best zerg poll (well I do it's because CJ fans are fucking blind)
Effort is really good, but kwanro and savior are HORRIBLE (well kwanro is OK). July still has the highest ZvP ELO in the game, Calm easily competes with effort for 2nd best zerg, and by.hero has really good ZvP (and decent ZvT/ZvZ), not to mention a OSL semis appearance last season.
STX has the best Zerg lineup on any team, undeniable wat Savior is the only zerg bonjwa even if you be super generous and say july = savior historically you still have effort > calm kwanro ~= by.hero and speaking of zvp ELO: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/detailed-elo?race=Z#tblt-1996-1-9-DESC(Z)sAviOr - 2270 (Z)Jaedong - 2236 (Z)July - 2224
but this is 2009 (where savior is 3-7 in his last 10)
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is awesome32281 Posts
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Both teams' zergs lineup are about even.
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Predicting 3-1 CJ.
And I voted on account of July = Savior
And Effort beating out the rest of the Zergs. ^^b
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United States13896 Posts
To everyone who thinks  Devil is going to be a pushover, he is 14-3 in Minor League, going 5-2 in ZvZ's and 3-1 on Battle Royale. Clearly he is not being put out there just to test the waters, he's being put out there to win.
On the CJ/STX Zergs poll debate, I'm personally leaning towards STX at the moment, but it's really difficult to decide. If I was to rank the top 3 zergs on each team, I think I'd rank them as 1) EffOrt, 2) Calm, 3) July, 4) Kwanro, 5) by.hero, 6) sAviOr, which would have the teams dead even.
Thanks for all the positive feedback on the OP guys, you can count on these every time CJ has an early match.
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how can you put hero before savior o.o
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United States13896 Posts
sAviOr is really bad relative to the rest of them. Not even joking. He doesn't come close.
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I think the problem here is that the poll doesn't specify current ability, past ability, or what, so...
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United States13896 Posts
I thought it would be easy enough to imply that I meant currently, seeing as if we went historically it wouldn't even be close (as July has only been on STX for like the last year, and past that STX zergs haven't accomplished much), but I changed it to specify just to avoid confusion.
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On May 23 2009 05:41 p4NDemik wrote:
On the CJ/STX Zergs poll debate, I'm personally leaning towards STX at the moment, but it's really difficult to decide. If I was to rank the top 3 zergs on each team, I think I'd rank them as 1) EffOrt, 2) Calm, 3) July, 4) Kwanro, 5) by.hero, 6) sAviOr, which would have the teams dead even.
Yeah, I can basically agree with this.
With the gap between Kwanro and hero being the tightest and the gap between hero and savior being the widest.
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I don't know who has the strongest zergs, but we can all agree it's not T1
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On May 23 2009 06:24 Zozma wrote:
I don't know who has the strongest zergs, but we can all agree it's not T1
It's Hyuk Style!
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
In terms of the strongest Zergs, I'd imagine ACE would get it. Those guys go through military training so they could probably bench press a whole lot more than the zergs on any other team...
Oh wait...
In my book, a lineup is two players, as one great player doesn't make for depth. For this reason, SKT1 obviously has the strongest Protoss lineup, because they have two top level toss to fill out their card with every day. As for Zerg, I think both of these teams are even- EffOrt is obviously the top player here, but Calm and Modesty are strong players, and unless we see something impressive from Devil, I don't see a strong CJ zerg to fill a regular place in their lineup. That said, you can count on EffOrt for a win, while STX usually will not go 2/2 with their zerg.
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I almost want this to go to ACE just so I can see EffOrt vs Kal or Hwasin on Heartbreak :[
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Well, Action has a similar record to Devil's in the minor leagues (and we saw how he did in the big leagues...), so going by that (and the fact that the maps are totally in STX's favor), I'm saying STX takes this. I'm hoping CJ wins though...
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On May 23 2009 07:25 tree.hugger wrote:In terms of the strongest Zergs, I'd imagine ACE would get it. Those guys go through military training so they could probably bench press a whole lot more than the zergs on any other team... Oh wait... In my book, a lineup is two players, as one great player doesn't make for depth. For this reason, SKT1 obviously has the strongest Protoss lineup, because they have two top level toss to fill out their card with every day. As for Zerg, I think both of these teams are even- EffOrt is obviously the top player here, but Calm and Modesty are strong players, and unless we see something impressive from Devil, I don't see a strong CJ zerg to fill a regular place in their lineup. That said, you can count on EffOrt for a win, while STX usually will not go 2/2 with their zerg.
kwanro ain't good enough for you?
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Once Oversky gets back to CJ the debate will be over... NOBODY except Jaedong OZ (all by himself) will match the CJ Zerg lineup. Just throwing that out there.
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CJ rape 3-0
dont even need to watch 
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EPT
