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+ Show Spoiler [Predictions] +This is one of the more exciting groups for the OSL so far. In the first match, EffOrt is finally seeming to take the scepter from Ma Jaeyun as the top Zerg for CJ Entus, while RuBy seems revitalized after announcing his departure for Air Force ACE. RuBy also played exceptionally well last season in the Proleague, supporting Sea in helping carry MBC. His play fell off this season, and he announced his departure for ACE, which begins in 3 days. However, he seems to have gotten a good grasp on his TvZ play again, beating n.Die_soo and HoeJJa in the MST for the Avalon MSL. However, EffOrt has shown that he can beat the absolute best in straight up games, and RuBy should be scared of this. Kim Jungwu is sitting at a clean cut 60% overall winning rate, losing only 3 of his last 14. The set should go to three, but EffOrt is clearly the stronger choice here. Final Call:  EffOrt 2:1  RuByThe second set of the night puts Tushin up against one of his two lesser matchups. His ZvT has looked above average in recent memory, but his ZvZ has been atrocious. His overall play has been similar to his ZvT, where he's dropping random games against better players with the occasional upset. However, his ZvZ has been a failing point since last August. If July meets up with EffOrt, he can kiss his hopes goodbye. Final Call: EffOrt 2: 1 JulyPoll: Who do you think will win set 1?( Vote): EffOrt (CJ) ( Vote): RuBy (ACE) Poll: Who are you rooting for set 1?( Vote): EffOrt (CJ) ( Vote): RuBy (ACE) Poll: Who do you think will win set 2?( Vote): EffOrt (CJ) ( Vote): RuBy (ACE) ( Vote): July (STX) Poll: Who are you rooting for in set 2?( Vote): EffOrt (CJ) ( Vote): RuBy (ACE) ( Vote): July (STX) Poll: Will Kespa intervene tonight?( Vote): Yes ( Vote): No
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Gonna be 6/6 tonight :D
I'm slowly coming up with ideas to make these better, and I want to incorporate them when I start doing Round of 16 etc.
Also, I won't fall asleep at the keys this time, promise!
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Effort is finally realizing his potential- he's finally taking games off S-class players and cruising to the early stages of the individual leagues. I think he can still be one class higher.
Anyways, his current form should be able to clean up tonight; I'm interested to see what he has prepared for Ruby's TvP strategies.
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United States11390 Posts
Effort has been top Zerg on CJ for a while.
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On May 22 2009 10:37 Harem wrote:
Effort has been top Zerg on CJ for a while.
Yea, it makes me really sad.... But go effort!! He should take this pretty easily
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On May 22 2009 10:37 Harem wrote:EffOrt has been top Zerg on CJ for a while.
Indeed, but he hasn't played like it. It's always felt like he's been stuck in sAviOr's shadow until recently.
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United States13143 Posts
On May 22 2009 10:35 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Anyways, his current form should be able to clean up tonight; I'm interested to see what he has prepared for Ruby's TvP strategies.
I don't think we'll see that bullshit today; the maps don't seem particularly suited for it.
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so TL loves effort it seems according to the poll
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On May 22 2009 10:48 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 10:35 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Anyways, his current form should be able to clean up tonight; I'm interested to see what he has prepared for Ruby's TvP strategies. I don't think we'll see that bullshit today; the maps don't seem particularly suited for it.
Nor do the players. 
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On May 22 2009 10:45 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:Indeed, but he hasn't played like it. It's always felt like he's been stuck in sAviOr's shadow until recently.
Thats just not true. Saviors shadow at this point is laughable even kwanro far outshines him.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Who cares about Effort? It's all about bringin back old school dominance. Julyzerg ftw!
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Effort is utter crap compared to savior, he's just lucky savior is still in a minor slump despite it being 2009..
I'll just await 2010... >.<
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EffOrt is one of those players who wins when he's supposed to win and loses when he's supposed to lose.
Reminds me of a young Iris..
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I can only assume the reason that July hasn't been in PL for 3 weeks now is that he has been practicing for his OSL group.
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On paper, EffOrt is by far the favorite here, we know that.
The only thing I see working for RuBy is he gets two TvZ Bo3s, which is far and away his best matchup.
The only thing I see working for July is his 14 OSL appearances.
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On May 22 2009 11:01 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 10:48 Elyvilon wrote:On May 22 2009 10:35 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Anyways, his current form should be able to clean up tonight; I'm interested to see what he has prepared for Ruby's TvP strategies. I don't think we'll see that bullshit today; the maps don't seem particularly suited for it. Nor do the players.
Yeah, I can't even remember the last time Ruby played a TvZ like TvP and even admitted that the game(s) was boring.
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I'm hoping that July can make it through this group, I mean I like EffOrt too but July is one of the main reasons that I'm an STX fan. As much as I want him to take it though I expect EffOrt will be the one to advance. He should easily take RuBy (who probably won't even be trying all that hard since he would be unable to play in the OSL should he advance anyway) and I have no faith in July's ZvZ. He may be awesome ZvP and ok ZvT but his ZvZ is terrible.
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United States12607 Posts
I'm expecting EffOrt to simply cruise through this group. We haven't heard a peep from July at STX recently.
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JIJIyO
Canada1957 Posts
Question. How come Ruby is still in OSL, but he had to drop out of MSL? Did he qualify for OSL when he was accepted by ACE?
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Come on July... you can do it!
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konadora
Singapore66131 Posts
Expecting july to walk over
Too bad can't catch this live 
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If ruby wins, will there be another wildcard tournament?
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
EffOrt will win this. He's the second best Zerg in the game right now.
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konadora
Singapore66131 Posts
On May 22 2009 12:43 Nevuk wrote:
If ruby wins, will there be another wildcard tournament?
Oh hey... YOU ARE RIGHT.
GO GO RUBY!!!!
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Braavos36373 Posts
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yea julyzerg!!! gogogogo effort is cool 2 but not as cool as july. Im going to / wrist if ruby wins lol
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Baa?21242 Posts
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MA JAE YOON!!!
oh wait... KIM JUNG WOO!!!
Lol whats the difference...
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United States13896 Posts
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effort ftw!
julyzerg's zvz is so not up to effort's level!
i wouldn't mind if ruby took it though 
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I think/hope effort will win this, and expand my liquibet voting streak to 10 in a row !
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what the hell are you guys talking about julys zvz for?
You do realize that over the last hmm I don't know 5 years he randomly shows up in the matchup and rapes any zerg in the world right?
Effort imo is top three zergs right now for sure, but julyzerg at all times should be given a 50% chance against any zerg who isn't the number 1 or 2 zerg. He has earned those stats kiddo's and on any given day is more then capable of beating every zerg or protoss (except jaedong/luxury/bisu).
That said Effort fighting. I rather see zvz then watch julyzerg play zvt =(. He always fails so hard.
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On May 22 2009 17:49 AttackZerg wrote:
what the hell are you guys talking about julys zvz for?
You do realize that over the last hmm I don't know 5 years he randomly shows up in the matchup and rapes any zerg in the world right?
Effort imo is top three zergs right now for sure, but julyzerg at all times should be given a 50% chance against any zerg who isn't the number 1 or 2 zerg. He has earned those stats kiddo's and on any given day is more then capable of beating every zerg or protoss (except jaedong/luxury/bisu).
That said Effort fighting. I rather see zvz then watch julyzerg play zvt =(. He always fails so hard.
Julys ZvZ past half year as sucked. In the past I would have given him more than 50% chance of winning this but not now. Effort will own him
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July!
4th OSL win incoming... Realism is not for the internetz.
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On May 22 2009 17:57 Marine50 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 17:49 AttackZerg wrote:
what the hell are you guys talking about julys zvz for?
You do realize that over the last hmm I don't know 5 years he randomly shows up in the matchup and rapes any zerg in the world right?
Effort imo is top three zergs right now for sure, but julyzerg at all times should be given a 50% chance against any zerg who isn't the number 1 or 2 zerg. He has earned those stats kiddo's and on any given day is more then capable of beating every zerg or protoss (except jaedong/luxury/bisu).
That said Effort fighting. I rather see zvz then watch julyzerg play zvt =(. He always fails so hard. Julys ZvZ past half year as sucked. In the past I would have given him more than 50% chance of winning this but not now. Effort will own him
That is the thing with the old pro's that are still amazing , unlike the savioresque pro's.
Julyzerg always has the potential to play amazingly his stats are where they are after years and years of averaging them out. If they say over 50%, I believe it , unless like I said , it is the number 1 or 2 most dominate player =).
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
I'm expecting EffOrt to take this.
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Too bad July will have to play T or Z, most likely dropping the games and not qualifying. I want to see his ZvP.
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His last ZvT's actually don't look to bad?
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On May 22 2009 18:07 arbiter_md wrote:
Too bad July will have to play T or Z, most likely dropping the games and not qualifying. I want to see his ZvP.
His winrate on iccup at the A+ level has been 50/50 zvz and over 60% zvt, and there aren't too many A+ gamers who aren't top pro gamers.
I have faith he will beat ruby if he faces him.
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anyone knows when does this start?
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On May 22 2009 18:07 arbiter_md wrote:
Too bad July will have to play T or Z, most likely dropping the games and not qualifying. I want to see his ZvP.
His ZvP is amazing to watch. Hes so damn good at that match up and he plays the match up in a very different way than most Zergs. really enjoy watching it
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On May 22 2009 10:35 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Effort is finally realizing his potential- he's finally taking games off S-class players and cruising to the early stages of the individual leagues. I think he can still be one class higher.
Anyways, his current form should be able to clean up tonight; I'm interested to see what he has prepared for Ruby's TvP strategies.
wow im slow today
when i first saw that i was like hey effort zerg not toss than i realized hehe
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On May 22 2009 18:12 exkgb wrote:
anyone knows when does this start?
10 minutes
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Nice, OGN is showing footage from Jaedong's fan meeting right now.
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
Gogo effort, thanks for the VLC
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On May 22 2009 13:27 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 12:43 Nevuk wrote:
If ruby wins, will there be another wildcard tournament? Oh hey... YOU ARE RIGHT. GO GO RUBY!!!!
I don't really get it... why is Ruby in this in the first place if he can't play if he qualifies?
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effort will probably win, he's been on fire!
but i'm hoping july will pull off a win >_< but his zvz isn't that great haha as shown by the stats ):
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On May 22 2009 18:25 Incognitodies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 13:27 konadora wrote:On May 22 2009 12:43 Nevuk wrote:
If ruby wins, will there be another wildcard tournament? Oh hey... YOU ARE RIGHT. GO GO RUBY!!!! I don't really get it... why is Ruby in this in the first place if he can't play if he qualifies?
Well probably because if he qualifies for the Round of 16 then goes to basic, by the time this OSL ends (mid-July) and he they go for offlines, he'll be out and they'll do a BackHo style setup where he'll get seeded into the Round of 36 again as a "lower player" who has to play 2 sets, but it's still easier than trying to whack through the offlines, where random shit can happen.
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Perfect way to keep me up studying for midterms. GO CJ Effort!
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On May 22 2009 12:21 JIJIyO wrote:
Question. How come Ruby is still in OSL, but he had to drop out of MSL? Did he qualify for OSL when he was accepted by ACE?
I was thinking the same thing. He can play in OSL but not MSL? Strange.
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Thanks for streaming this!
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As far as I know the "basic training" in the Korean military is ~6 weeks. Maybe he'd be able to play OSL group stage matches after his basic training is over. The MSL on the other hand is starting in 2 weeks and he wouldn't be able to make it for those matches.
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haha 1 drone beating 2 scvs
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A beyond sick display of vulture micro right there. Felt bad for effort
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Anybody LR'ing? I'd appreciate it immensely.
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On May 22 2009 18:43 Doso wrote:
As far as I know the "basic training" in the Korean military is ~6 weeks. Maybe he'd be able to play OSL group stage matches after his basic training is over. The MSL on the other hand is starting in 2 weeks and he wouldn't be able to make it for those matches.
He starts basic in 3 days, goes for 7 weeks.
Group selection is like, June 24th.
If he qualifies for Round of 16, he won't be able to play, but he'll be back for next OSL's Ro36.
Game related - RuBy's one vultures fucking shit up. EffOrt damaging the neutral CC :o
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I love effOrt but I have to go with July in this group.
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On May 22 2009 18:49 wurm wrote:
Anybody LR'ing? I'd appreciate it immensely.
Ironically, I can't because I'm catching up on Mafia :p
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Effort is on 4 bases it seems, Ruby is about to get his 1st vessel, has 2 tanks and a medium M&M force
EFFORT CAPTURED THE NEUTRAL CC, INFESTED TERRANS INC.
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
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Effort 3 bases to 2, but vulture harass denies some drones at the 3rd for a little while,
effort damaging the center CC and building Defiler den, I think he's plannign some sort of swarm+
infested combo
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Defilers are out for Effort, Vessel is out for Ruby, Ruby pushing out and killing the infested CC
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Infested CC! :D :D :D
Oh shit he almost loses it... probably not going to be able to use it
It dies
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Map holyworld, Ruby opened quick fact into expo with a bunker then transfered into 2 rax mnm play. Effort tried to go for sneak early lurks but the scanners/a turret and 1 bunker detered him from trying anything other than contain.
Ruby got a shit load of drone kills with a remarkly small number of vulture. Great micro and game sense.Effort infests the center cc and is preapring to break out of a 10 or so lurk contain. He does! for now. Defiler is out though! T army advancing...this will all come down to wether or not effort has beyong godly micro/multitasking
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Ruby pushes out and at the same time effort caputres the center CC.
RUBY SPOTS THE INFESTED CC AND IS ABOUT TO TAKE IT DOWN
EFFORT DESPERATELY TRIES TO DEFEND, but the CC goes down,
effort snipes a vessel though
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CC goes down, damm you Ruby
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RuBy's working on EffOrt's 3rd.
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ruby is going for effort's third and effort threatens backstab but ruby keeps pushing
attack on the 3rd is swamred and delayed but effort probably cant hold it
efforts backstab is thwarted with small loses...
3rd hatch go down..
what the hell is effort DOING
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Ruby is pressing hard on Effort's 4th top left, Hatch down, lots of workers dead.
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Korea (South)922 Posts
wait why is ruby playing, wont this spot just get wildcarded like msl if this keeps up
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Sorry to be anticlimactic but this is pretty damn over Ruby has a huge advantage.
My bad, not the c ase..didnt reallize how horribly low ruby's vessel count was...still anyones game.
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BIG CLASH in the middle
both sides take losses but you feel like Ruby is in control here
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MASSIVE plague on every single mnm attacking efforts nat and everything dies
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ruby runs his entire reinforcements into 4 lurkers and loses everything,
effort is back in this
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PLAGUUUUUUUUUUUUU And Ruby's force that was attacking Effort's nat is wiped out.
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United States20661 Posts
This Ruby kid is pretty good.
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HELP ME PLEASE, THE MOGULUS channel lag SO much for me, same for yayuan and all wtf, i'm not even lagging i dont understand :| doesnt anybody has the same problem?
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If effort can hold his 3rd fo ra while he will win,
Ruby is wasting units everywhere after that tremendous advantage..
this is how you throw away a game
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Effort counter-pressing hard into Ruby's nat, re-building his 4th, this isn't yet desipte Effort being low on forces.
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EffOrt turning this around.
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Looks like even with an advantage Ruby will lose to effort do to being the weaker player ....
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SwarmLurk push on rubys nat and he is losing everything while killing very little.
efforts defiler control has saved him in this game
Ruby's nat CC will be forced to lift soon,
oh god as im typing all i can hear are the screams of countless MNM dieing
ruby ggs
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51392 Posts
wow really nice comeback from effort
savior/ggplay-esque hive play there despite losing the third gas.
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JEEEEEE JEEEEE :D
EffOrt up 1!
Kim Jung Wu FIGHTING!
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if you ask me, Ruby lost this game when he moved out to kill Effort's expo
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On May 22 2009 18:55 shocky2007 wrote:HELP ME PLEASE, THE MOGULUS channel lag SO much for me, same for yayuan and all wtf, i'm not even lagging i dont understand :| doesnt anybody has the same problem?
Streams are shit for everyone, deal with it or move to Korea
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United States10774 Posts
lol bad mistakes on ruby's part
needed to take control of center asap instead of wasting units
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Shit, nice comeback after losing 3rd :o
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effort pulls through with a good push into ruby's CC and Ruby's absolutely shocking control after taking out Effort's 3rd.
Long story short: Ruby starts off well, should have won, completely foiled effort's strategy, and then he suicides his whole army and Effort is like 'ok I will kill you then' and he does
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United States20661 Posts
What hte hell how did Ruby lose that
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Haha, shuttle is a strange cat.
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Russian Federation1381 Posts
Effort is fucking amazing. Ruby is bad.
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
shuttle's voice is strange
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United States20661 Posts
Ruby did not need to go after the natural. He could just starve 2-gas zerg and play defensive map control.
GDAMNIT
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Effort's dark swarm push into Ruby's nat was beautiful.
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On May 22 2009 18:57 SuperArc wrote:
if you ask me, Ruby lost this game when he moved out to kill Effort's expo
what you talking about
effort lost his third gas while trying to do a swarm counter which failed. Ruby was so ahead after killing effort's 3rd gas. All ruby needed to do was hold the center instead of suiciding 20 rines to lurks.
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On May 22 2009 18:57 SuperArc wrote:
if you ask me, Ruby lost this game when he moved out to kill Effort's expo
If you ask me he lost this game when he split his scvs. !
I picked effort to win this, then july.
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So time for a random mini story:
So Wednesday if you were around, you know I disappeared at the end of the match and the OP didn't get updated until about 5 or 6 hours later. I explained in the thread I had fallen asleep at the keys. So I didn't want that to happen tonight, so I went to bed around midnight and set an alarm for 4:30. The 4:30 alarm went off.. but I was disoriented and didn't remember why I set it so I rolled back over to sleep. Woke up again at 5:26 like "Uhh.. OH SHIT!"
Plan almost backfired on me
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On May 22 2009 19:00 Ilikestarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 18:57 SuperArc wrote:
if you ask me, Ruby lost this game when he moved out to kill Effort's expo what you talking about effort lost his third gas while trying to do a swarm counter which failed. Ruby was so ahead after killing effort's 3rd gas. All ruby needed to do was hold the center instead of suiciding 20 rines to lurks.
He split his army, letting Effort flank it. That army was dead once he couldnt reinforce it.
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i watched almost all of ruby's tvz games and i have to say he always suicides rines to lurks. I know hes trying to be agressive and has good micro but wtf pick the right battles to fight in.
He has great tvz just why does he always do that.
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On May 22 2009 19:01 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 19:00 Ilikestarcraft wrote:On May 22 2009 18:57 SuperArc wrote:
if you ask me, Ruby lost this game when he moved out to kill Effort's expo what you talking about effort lost his third gas while trying to do a swarm counter which failed. Ruby was so ahead after killing effort's 3rd gas. All ruby needed to do was hold the center instead of suiciding 20 rines to lurks. He split his army, letting Effort flank it. That army was dead once he couldnt reinforce it.
No..you're supposed to move your flanked army back, with your reenforcements comming out and pincer the lurks that flanked you. Use matrix if necessary Or if you have time , like ruby did...you could siege and irradiate.
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Ruby's real mistake was not getting a quick second port against fast hive and losing vessels. His vessel count was way too low.
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
commentators talking about how ruby should have brought his other troops in to fight other - he focused too hard on the troops at the nat
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Ruby didnt have time, Effort had lurkers in Rubys front and forced his army to go towards his natural
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On May 22 2009 19:02 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
i watched almost all of ruby's tvz games and i have to say he always suicides rines to lurks. I know hes trying to be agressive and has good micro but wtf pick the right battles to fight in.
He has great tvz just why does he always do that.
Nerves man . Have you seen his game against Jaedong on Katrina ?
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They reshowed the critical moment after Ruby's army got plagued/killed at Effort's nat and he tried to Boxer micro vs. 6 lurkers and got owned losing map control and the game.
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I mean... it's pretty obvious Ruby got very cocky that game.
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There is not a shadow of a doubt that EffOrt was taught defiler play by the Maestro himself. His Dark Swarms were absolutely perfect.
Actually the whole game reminds me of the old Savior : "Savior is pressed" "Savior loses an expansion" "OMG! Savior is about lo lose! "Savior pushes out wth DS/Lurk" "Savior owning the whole Terran army" "OMG!?! How did Savior come back from this?" "GG. Savior wins".
Congrats EffOrt. My LB is on you
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
yo its the new stargirl chick. man is she pale
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On May 22 2009 19:01 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 19:00 Ilikestarcraft wrote:On May 22 2009 18:57 SuperArc wrote:
if you ask me, Ruby lost this game when he moved out to kill Effort's expo what you talking about effort lost his third gas while trying to do a swarm counter which failed. Ruby was so ahead after killing effort's 3rd gas. All ruby needed to do was hold the center instead of suiciding 20 rines to lurks. He split his army, letting Effort flank it. That army was dead once he couldnt reinforce it.
He didnt lose to the flank. It was the plague that did it. That army was dead but he had another army right in his nat. If he sent that army to the center and didnt attack effort's lurks he wouldn't have lost like that.
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On May 22 2009 19:05 Kentor wrote:
yo its the new stargirl chick. man is she pale
shes a qt.
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I think his TvP style TvZ is more effective (but gay..)
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On May 22 2009 19:04 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 19:02 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
i watched almost all of ruby's tvz games and i have to say he always suicides rines to lurks. I know hes trying to be agressive and has good micro but wtf pick the right battles to fight in.
He has great tvz just why does he always do that. Nerves man . Have you seen his game against Jaedong on Katrina ?
ya, 2 ebays rush strat...
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
sign:
airforce ace's ruby~~ luxurious play against zergs~~
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Looks like my next student is absent so I can continue to LR : )
Effort Zerg 6, Ruby Terran 9
Ovi scouts correctly, effort with 9 pool? or overpool, I didn't see
Ruby no gas yet
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On May 22 2009 19:07 Nanoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 19:04 raga4ka wrote:On May 22 2009 19:02 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
i watched almost all of ruby's tvz games and i have to say he always suicides rines to lurks. I know hes trying to be agressive and has good micro but wtf pick the right battles to fight in.
He has great tvz just why does he always do that. Nerves man . Have you seen his game against Jaedong on Katrina ? ya, 2 ebays rush strat...
it would have worked too but bad simcity -_-
i wonder if he is like kwanro/skyhigh where he gets more agressive in live games
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
SIGN: I want to come out on TV! Julyzerg FIGHTING!!
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6 lings coming to Ruby, he pulls about 6 SCVS????
ok 4 now, 4 + 1 rine should hold the ramp easily
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
commentators: oh~~ if effort upgrades his lings he can pressure the ramp and get up~
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Effort backs off and Ruby starts a CC above his nat,
meanwhile effort expands to Nat
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rax-->cc against 9pool, Ruby got balls lol
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Refinery building now, looks a little late for pure mech.
OH! Effort fails at blockign the scout, and the SCV gets in and sees 2 hatch lair
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Ruby scouts 2 hatch spire,
spire 50%
Ruby with about 10 or so marines, and nat CC mining now
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On May 22 2009 19:11 SuperArc wrote:
rax-->cc against 9pool, Ruby got balls lol
isnt that normal?;;
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ling speed upgraded and lings attempting some minor harass but driven back with no casualties
bunker finished and comsats going up, Ebay finished and academy sflashing, looks like pure bio TvZ!!
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
commentators: if ruby can just defend well against these mutas, the short distance between the players will give ruby the advantage~
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Effort somewhat mismicros his mutas and takes far more turret hits then needed, no damage so far, Ruby's defense looks pretty tight, although he built a couple more cannons than was mayb eneeded, no casualties on either side so far, Efforts 3rd is up and mining
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I heard the commentators say something about SKterran?
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No losses for Effort yet but his micro is failing him,
queen nest up, hive will come soon, looks like a speedy 3 hatch hive play
RUBY MOVING OUT
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effort is doing no damage at all;
i think efforts going 2 hatch muta crazy zerg ultra rush.
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
They were saying that Ruby sticks more to the classic SK Terran style opposed to the modern TVZ play like Leta's where he likes to opt for 2 port play.
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this timing push could be an epic su... no ruby stops and hangs around somewhere for no reason giving effort enough time to morph 6/7 sunks
ruby wandering around the map
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2 SCVs stuck between minerals and 2 turrets : /
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
Wow Effort with 7 sunkens guarding his natural.
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Ruby backs off and allows effort time to play with 3 hatch gas, I don't think this will play out well for him
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effort with 9 sunks now, but ruby has a pretty large mnm/2tank force, effort picking off lone marines with mutas but sieging has started
this is it, effort needs to deflect this push
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Effort needs to snipe the tanks or else ...
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wow, thats a lot of guardians, 3 starports from Ruby, wraiths out soon
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Lmao Effort has 10 sunkens at his natural.
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effort morphing 10? guards, vessels are not out yet this will block the rush easy
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6/9 sunkens knocked out but guards morph in time to save the day,
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SUNKEN BREEEEAK, BUT EFFORT'S GUARDIANS JUST FINISHED MORPHING.
RUBY BACKS OFF
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
Looks like Ruby is researching cloak at his control tower for wraiths to counter guardians.
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ruby opts to go straight for wraiths instead of vessels considering the amount of guardians
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On May 22 2009 19:15 SilverskY wrote:
They were saying that Ruby sticks more to the classic SK Terran style opposed to the modern TVZ play like Leta's where he likes to opt for 2 port play.
thats why hes the love of my life
when he doesnt suicide units
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On May 22 2009 19:11 SuperArc wrote:
rax-->cc against 9pool, Ruby got balls lol
Completely standard on maps with ramps.
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dear lord ruby has a lot of mnm, but he's throwing everythign away at efforts nat.
fails to break the nat again!...
meanwhile guards did considerable damage at the nat
and effort scourges a good few wraiths
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Attacking guardian force dies, but not before killing refinery and a bunch of turrets.
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I give ruby a 10% chance of winning
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
On May 22 2009 19:19 Ilikestarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 19:15 SilverskY wrote:
They were saying that Ruby sticks more to the classic SK Terran style opposed to the modern TVZ play like Leta's where he likes to opt for 2 port play. thats why hes the love of my life when he doesnt suicide units
LOL yeah. Again Ruby suicides a large number of MnM's into the Natural where it's guarded by like 10 sunkens and 5 guardians.
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
Scourges are now sniping wraiths.
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
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ruby pushes out again, this is probably his last push of the game, he needs to break the 3rd/4th or he's dead
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ultras are out, ruby hasnt nearly enough vessels to do anything
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ultra/guardian/defiler for Effort
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
Ruby showing pointless single-wraith micro on a zergling before being chased away by scourge. And defiler mound is up and cows are now out.
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Looks like Ruby is going to go for dropship heavy play, SKTerran style. Ultralisks are already out for Effort.
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Guardian/ultra combo beats archon reaver BTW .
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ruby tries a cute but useless bunker at the zergs 4th,
3:1 cows are ravaging the mbm force, but ruby still has a decent.... oh wait... no... that's a lot of cows...
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
effort has higher supply than ruby :s
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effort wants to suicide units too
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
It's a unit sacrificing ritual today. Effort just lost like 5 guardians.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
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rubys vessel count is starting to grow but he loses one or two needlessly, his mnm force obliterates the guardians that were pushin on to the nat but...
uh...
i cant tell whats happening theres a lot of mnm and a lot of cows and a lot of blood
RUBYS MNM IS ACTUALLY KICKING ASS
but it's all in vain if he cant secure a 3rd
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omg i really miss this ZvT =D
(fucking mech)
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
Effort should get plague ASAP and just macro up cows.
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Effort needs to counter instead of trying to save his 4th...
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Effort on 6 bases with one about to die..
Ruby just started his 3rd I think, mining just started, 5 v 3 bases
4:2 cows but Ruby is doing a good job of keeping his mnm army intact, there are no lurkers for him to suicide into
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plague on the MNM, not amazing but not bad,
PUSH ON RUBYS NAT
COWSWARM
EPIC PLAGUES OMG EVERYTHING IS MELTING
ruby BARELY holds this off
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
Oh wow, swarm into the natural and plague going off. Cows causing a shit storm.
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effort expands just outside Rubys nat : D
but it dies
another plague on ruby's mnm hits all the vessels too
this is a pretty good ZvT but you feel like it's just slipping away from Ruby
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HOLY
effort got a huge plague off
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oh jesus another plague hits every single mnm in rubys army
these plagues are devastating
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Clutch swarm by Effort, saves defiler at 2-3 hp literally.
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
Single muta out to go snipe plagued vessels.
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
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cows simply murder Ruby's plagued force
this is over
ruby's nat is lifted
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51392 Posts
some really nice plagues keeping effort in the game
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Ruby's macro is great, but he forgets to reinforce.
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Damn fine game I must say.
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it seemed ruby had a small chance but that plague
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Effort's hive play ZvT/P is simply amazing!!!
I love the guy!!
His plagues have been outstanding and really turned the tide
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
EffOrt has like more than half the entire map lol.
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Ruby refuses to give up, and credit to him he has been defending pretty excellently, showing some good micro, but effort is just rolling in gas,
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Ruby is actually very good :|
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this is turning into a good game
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Ruby is like that wig in that episode of the simpsons who keeps getting shot but refuses to die
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wtf.. ruby is so dead but yet he's not....
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Effort is starting to play sloppy, suicides a sizeable ultra/ling force into marines without swarm
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
I think irradiated cows do more damage to the MnM's than to the cow itself.
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ruby is mining from one base now, he's trying a sneaky tank drop on the high ground but it honestly cant change anything
effort builds a hatcher on the other side of the mineral patch Ruby is mining from : D
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RUBY IS BREAKING EFFORTS 12 EXPANSION,
holy damn he's actually got a ... slight... slight chance
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wait no everything dies, except the vessels
effort you need to kill the vessels,
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Effort need a lot of gas o he is going to lose... such a good game
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On May 22 2009 19:32 SilverskY wrote:
I think irradiated cows do more damage to the MnM's than to the cow itself.
Hhaha, i always think that myself, since they probably do 12-15 damage/second on average besides their attack.
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Ruby's 12 exp lifts from ling harass
ruby mining from 1 minonly now
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
commentators: ruby has nowhere to go but 1oclock! if he wants to win he must take 1 out! he has no other choice!
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this is a pretty cool game guys I reccomend it,
it's a little sloppy at times but plenty of things die
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RUBY is just clawing his way back into this ever so gradually,
effort cant seem to keep an ultra force of more then 3/4 units alive
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RUBY IS TAKING THE GAME BAAACK! EFFORT BEING SUPER SLOPPY WITH HIS EXPO DRONES!
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damn this game is confusing
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
I seriously can't tell who's winning anymore lmfao.
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YES, effort takes out 3/4 of the vessel fleet with good scourge cloning,
now ruby is in major trouble
he has basically lost the 12 expansion due to sunkens on his SCVs
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i think effort won
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Ruby's almost out of money - minerals coming in very slowly now. This great game should be over soon.
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
EffOrt should've controlled vessel count better, earlier on in the game.
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Effort stops the tank harass on his exp,
ok now it's over, ruby has no way to beat effort now
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
commentators: finally, ruby's resources are falling~ he's 40 supply beneath effort. it seems he's tiring out
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On May 22 2009 19:36 Ilikestarcraft wrote:i think effort won
Yeah you're probably right
GG
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Such a great game. Reminded me of old Savior.
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GG. EffOrt wins!
Anyone else notice RuBy's cheerful is that pic of him mocking the ACE salute?
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
That was a pretty intense TVZ. More classic style.
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Wow, epic almost-comeback from Ruby.
but essentially, although it looked like Ruby was coming back,
effort was still laughingly ahead most of the game, he just had sloppy control.
Ruby only actually killed 1 or 2 expansions
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Effort almost lost with 8 bases.
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Ruby's picture in his booth is him saluting with his left hand
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51392 Posts
that game felt like a marathon :<
stupid vessels
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
If you guys haven't noticed by the way. Ruby's poster beside his computer monitor shows him saluting AGAIN with the fucking left hand. I hope he learns a thing or two when he goes to ACE.
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On May 22 2009 19:38 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
GG. EffOrt wins!
Anyone else notice RuBy's cheerful is that pic of him mocking the ACE salute?
damn you beat me to it : S
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In both games Ruby had a slight advantage mid game but his slow response in reinforcement just took away that advantage. And he was simply losing gradually the game after Effort got defilers
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Effort must be quite tired now, July has a good chance of winning :o
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Whoa whoa whoa. Was that FBH on a reality show? What was that?
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United States10774 Posts
nice game. had ruby destroyed 1 oclcok main/nat he might have made hell of a comeback
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MBC terrans have just amazing TvZ. And it's bio TvZ to boot.
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Russian Federation1381 Posts
What a game. Player like Effort should be beating player like Ruby 10 times out of 10 though, easily #2 zerg.
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
Hite Sparkyz girls SF team:
leemyunggeun: i believe if teams don't start getting girls, there will be no future
girl: our dream was to form a team with us girls
voice: second place winner~ scary girls~
team captain nayun: strategy leader kim nayun~
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that last game was pretty epic, in my eyes, ruby redeemed himself for the game vs Hoejja
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United States11390 Posts
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it seems like it's been a long time since a ZvZ where I would be happy for either player to advance
hoping for effort though
go F4T!
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
funny voice: one of the best zerg players~ he's still alive right now the God of War~ but still, Effort, learning under the Maestro himself, who just took out Ruby -- will he be able to take out July?
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
commentator 1: though ruby lost, he did show great performances! though there were times when effort was in danger he did pull through
commentator 2: yes, it really seems that effort showed his management skills, and july must have been hoping for terran to advance instead..
commentator 1: ruby~ we hope to see great performances from you next time when you're in airforce gear~
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United States11390 Posts
I just hope July's zvz isn't as fail as it usually is.
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
Ruby please learn how to fucking salute properly.
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Ruby has beaten savior in PL before... a long while back.
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
july - kespa ranked 16
has qualified for OSL 14 times
"Ro16? kekeke that's nothing" - july
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51392 Posts
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No way July can keep up with Effort's ZvZ, it will be easy 2-0.
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
effort
kespa ranked 32
last year he is 48-30
CJ's new zerg line, growing every time we see him~'
"Kwanro hyung~ I'll be waiting at Ro16~" - effort
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
I would be happy if either player advanced.
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
commentators: if the battle boils down do muta/scourge usage, effort stands out more, HOWEVER, if july uses zerglings, he has a great chance as well~
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wow thanks for your work smix!
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United States11390 Posts
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
SIGN:
God of War July
With zerglings alone, game over
SIGN:
OSL - I can't live without watching it
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Haha do korean commentators know much about BW? It sounds like they don't
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On May 22 2009 19:55 malathion wrote:
Haha do korean commentators know much about BW? It sounds like they don't
yeah they are total noobs, wtf are they doing there
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51392 Posts
maybe we can see some infested terrans in zvz :D
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On May 22 2009 19:55 Harem wrote:
lol 9pool vs 12hat
Yeah.
Edit: July white 11, Effort purple 5.
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
Looks like this is going to be an insta-BO loss for July.
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
Mutas out for EffOrt even before July's spire is finished.
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
Oh but July gets a good # of lings into EffOrt's main and snipes some drones.
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
July GG's... please next game <3
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gg, let's see some 9 pool from July.
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
lmfao, this is like the most impoverished ZVZ I've seen in a long time.
GG from July
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July didn't play all that bad. Crappy bo luck, though.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Okay seriously, did anyone else see the commercial where it looked like FBH was on some kind of reality show? What was that?
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
prelim qualifiers: basically saying i'm so happy blahblahbabal, casy: i think reaching the OSL is what every player strives for
shuttle: "ahh.. tears are coming"
shuttle: it was so hard for me because i felt so bad for not showing good performances... right now i'm just thinking i have to play better so i can advance..
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
effort 379 july 352 avg apm
effort 418 july 449 highest apm
effort 287 july 265 lowest apm
effort 59 july 60 units produced
effort 44 july 35 units killed
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
commentators: july knew that effort's build made him very poor since july uses such builds often himself - that's probably why he threw away his hatchery at nat and tried to play afterwards, but effort had a lot of mutas and eventually won
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
commentators: it's about time for effort to reach the big stage~
commentator 2: yes, all new players have a step they must cross - this is that stage, that step. he's getting as much attention as by.hero did last season, and he can easily pass those expectations
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Anyone else think the Kelly Clarkson song was a horrible choice?
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Hope that commentator #2 isn't that guy notorious for the "kim curse" or w/e it was. :o
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come on July!!!
show us the beast
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
commentators: ah, each season it gets harder and harder for july to reach the Ro16
commentator 2: but every time someone said that, he proved us wrong and qualified, and also - when he hears people say such things, he must feel an even greater motivation to prove people wrong
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
EffOrt looks like he's try so hard not to fall asleep or something lol.
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
On May 22 2009 20:11 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Hope that commentator #2 isn't that guy notorious for the "kim curse" or w/e it was. :o
It was LOL
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EffOrt - yellow - 9
July - red - 6
EDIT: Fixed positions. There's a reason I use a digital watch :p
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
Effort yellow 9
July red 5
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On May 22 2009 20:11 Smix wrote:
commentators: ah, each season it gets harder and harder for july to reach the Ro16
commentator 2: but every time someone said that, he proved us wrong and qualified, and also - when he hears people say such things, he must feel an even greater motivation to prove people wrong
july is just so awesome
thanks for the translations~
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On May 22 2009 20:11 Smix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 20:11 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Hope that commentator #2 isn't that guy notorious for the "kim curse" or w/e it was. :o It was LOL
T_T
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
Lol, July going 9 pool this time
Effort going 12 pool
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why does no one ever go 12pool
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July 9 pool
EffOrt 12 pool
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On May 22 2009 20:13 SuperArc wrote:
why does no one ever go 12pool
lol.
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
SIGN:
OSL champion~~ July
"Ro16 that's nothing~"
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51392 Posts
On May 22 2009 20:11 MarF wrote:Anyone else think the Kelly Clarkson song was a horrible choice?
CAUSE CAUSE WE BELONG TOGETHER NOW YEH
edit: on a serious note i love osl for bringing unknown/obscure bands into stardom (well for me at least) like red jumpsuit apparatus and now fighting with wire (for the game start/end song)
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United States11390 Posts
On May 22 2009 20:11 Smix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 20:11 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:
Hope that commentator #2 isn't that guy notorious for the "kim curse" or w/e it was. :o It was LOL
nooooooooooooo
Poor effort
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nm, Effort is a good ZvZ player :p
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July's lings are out, Effort taking his nat.
Lair coming for July.
July attacks the hatchery instead of going to the main.
EffOrt "defending" with about 8 lings and 2 drones.
Lair finishes.
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
commentators: the bad points of 12 pooling is that your tech is late - will have to defend with spore later when mutas come out
commentator 2: the reason july isn't able to break through is cause his lings aren't upgraded
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
lings and sunken rush incoming by effort
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Spire for July coming. EffOrt chasing 2 lings with 12 lol.
EffOrt is STREAMING lings into July's base.
Sunken desparately going down. It pops, bu tit takes heavy damage.
This si NOT good for July.
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
effort reinforcing with lings - july's muta forced to defend
commentators: effort relaly doesn't play like a new player!!
OMG GGakdl;fjsa;lsdkf
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GGGGGGG GGGGGGG
EffOrt's lings > July's mutas!
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On May 22 2009 12:19 JWD wrote:
I'm expecting EffOrt to simply cruise through this group. We haven't heard a peep from July at STX recently.
Well done
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July ggs
Effort totally read him that game.
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
omg July got fuckin served...
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why is ruby even allowed to play here if hes just gonna go to the army anyway?
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Effort advancing is hardly a surprise.
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And I stand corrected, effort just had to collect his wins slash up his winnrate tonight, all in a days gaming for this new star!
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
Effort is going to have a handsome ELO tomorrow, and a kick ass win % to boot.
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
commentators: let's hear from effort~
effort: first of all, i'm just happy i qualified for Ro16 - i'll work harder so i can reach ro8
commentators: what are fans curious about?
' what do you think of your nickname neo-savior? and is there a better nickname you like?"
effort: because the fans are liking me a lot, i think they gave me that nickname even though i'm not performing up to expectations, so i think it's a good nickname, and i don't think i have other nicknames ^^
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July canceled ling speed, too clever by half on his part.
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EffOrt's ZvZ: 14-7 (66.67%) :o
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
like i said earlier
fuck effort
fuck zvz
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On May 22 2009 20:20 Plexa wrote:
like i said earlier
fuck effort
fuck zvz
Have a nice day
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
On May 22 2009 20:20 Plexa wrote:
like i said earlier
fuck effort
fuck zvz
It's OK Jesse, we can't always have what we want.
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good job by effort
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1 sunk and july woulda win 2nd game but meh ...
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Russian Federation1381 Posts
Effort is great already, with enough practice he can equal or even surpass Jaedong in skill.
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On May 22 2009 20:28 Magic84 wrote:
Effort is great already, with enough practice he can equal or even surpass Jaedong in skill.
Nononon, thats kind of impossible...
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On May 22 2009 20:20 Plexa wrote:
like i said earlier
fuck effort
fuck zvz
quoted for truth.
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I actually like effort's ZvT over Jaedong's he's less aggressive and plays a lot more solid and safe hive-tech game instead of relying on pure muta micro, granted that jaedong's muta micro is insanely good.
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Damn July, you weren't supposed to lose :\
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Smix
United States4549 Posts
Lol, just read the post-game interview by Effort and most of it was the usual same old, "I will work hard, ro8 is my goal, the game was hard but I'm glad I won blahblah" but this part was interesting
"After go.go hyung qualified, he told me "not just anyone can reach the group selections" (laughs). I want to personally see how good he is and play him (laughs)."
Oh go.go. Already starting the drama...
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Effort. \o/ Great to see these results and tx Smix for the translations. Really appreciated.
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Way to go Effort .
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On May 22 2009 20:13 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 20:11 MarF wrote:Anyone else think the Kelly Clarkson song was a horrible choice? CAUSE CAUSE WE BELONG TOGETHER NOW YEH edit: on a serious note i love osl for bringing unknown/obscure bands into stardom (well for me at least) like red jumpsuit apparatus and now fighting with wire (for the game start/end song)
one big question that ive always had is how do they even find these songs?
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On May 22 2009 22:59 whatusername wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 20:13 GTR wrote:On May 22 2009 20:11 MarF wrote:Anyone else think the Kelly Clarkson song was a horrible choice? CAUSE CAUSE WE BELONG TOGETHER NOW YEH edit: on a serious note i love osl for bringing unknown/obscure bands into stardom (well for me at least) like red jumpsuit apparatus and now fighting with wire (for the game start/end song) one big question that ive always had is how do they even find these songs?
yeah wtf lol didnt think koreans would know of all those emo / alt rock american bands lol
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United States12607 Posts
On May 22 2009 12:19 JWD wrote:
I'm expecting EffOrt to simply cruise through this group. We haven't heard a peep from July at STX recently.
Yay!
Well done EffOrt...July, it was your time to go.
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Great news to wake up to, GO EFFORT!
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nooooooo tushin
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this is like only the 2nd or 3rd OSL that July HASNT qualified for since he 1st royal-roaded. This OSL will suck. Not enough STX.
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JIJIyO
Canada1957 Posts
Yesssssssss Effort! Too bad for July because I love him too =( I kind of want Effort to take this OSL, but I don't want him to surpass Savior.....haha. I guess Jaedong for golden mouse? I know if Jaedong gets it he surpasses Savior as well, but still.......I don't know I'm just doing pointless rambling :3
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Dammit. The games weren't even that good. T_T July...
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On May 22 2009 20:51 exkgb wrote:
I actually like effort's ZvT over Jaedong's he's less aggressive and plays a lot more solid and safe hive-tech game instead of relying on pure muta micro, granted that jaedong's muta micro is insanely good.
yeah agreed. savior style = management style which I love seeing instead of pure micro.
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Ugh, if I never see go.go's face again it'll be too soon.
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On May 22 2009 19:42 Magic84 wrote:
What a game. Player like Effort should be beating player like Ruby 10 times out of 10 though, easily #2 zerg.
really? i dont think someone who forgets to research adrenal glands is #2 zerg
people completely exaggerating his ability, the outsider match was so unbelievably sloppy... throwing away masses of units, failing to protect hatcheries or manage to finish the game when he had like 8 expansions. it wasnt very impressive at all. on the plus side defiler control was good and guardians used reasonably well. but as for being one of the top zergs.. um no. not from this performance anyway, been a lot more impressive in other matches.
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On May 23 2009 09:39 infinity2k9 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 19:42 Magic84 wrote:
What a game. Player like Effort should be beating player like Ruby 10 times out of 10 though, easily #2 zerg. really? i dont think someone who forgets to research adrenal glands is #2 zerg people completely exaggerating his ability, the outsider match was so unbelievably sloppy... throwing away masses of units, failing to protect hatcheries or manage to finish the game when he had like 8 expansions. it wasnt very impressive at all. on the plus side defiler control was good and guardians used reasonably well. but as for being one of the top zergs.. um no. not from this performance anyway, been a lot more impressive in other matches.
Effort is 18-2 in his last 20. I think it just got to a point in the game where he felt he could waste units and not care about it. I remember some savior games where he forgot adrenal...
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On May 23 2009 09:39 infinity2k9 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 19:42 Magic84 wrote:
What a game. Player like Effort should be beating player like Ruby 10 times out of 10 though, easily #2 zerg. really? i dont think someone who forgets to research adrenal glands is #2 zerg people completely exaggerating his ability, the outsider match was so unbelievably sloppy... throwing away masses of units, failing to protect hatcheries or manage to finish the game when he had like 8 expansions. it wasnt very impressive at all. on the plus side defiler control was good and guardians used reasonably well. but as for being one of the top zergs.. um no. not from this performance anyway, been a lot more impressive in other matches.
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not one of the top zergs?
?????????????????????????????
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On May 23 2009 03:28 Kentor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2009 20:51 exkgb wrote:
I actually like effort's ZvT over Jaedong's he's less aggressive and plays a lot more solid and safe hive-tech game instead of relying on pure muta micro, granted that jaedong's muta micro is insanely good. yeah agreed. savior style = management style which I love seeing instead of pure micro.
Maybe, but these games really couldn't be a good indication of that. The first game, he went for a lurker opening, which is generally passive as it stalls for defilers. And the second game, many zergs due a similar strategy of stalling until guardians or ultralisks on Outsider. Effort hasn't developed a distinctive style besides being good imo.
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Man I just saw that 2nd game between Ruby and Effort, that was exciting! I like em both, but the more CJ players go through, the merrier.
And I can't imagine Ruby saluting with his left hand to be anything but a stupid mistake, it's not like he's gonna aim to piss off his future team mates. Can't see why one would get their pants in a twist over this.
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