[OSL] 2009 Bacchus OSL Round of 36 Group E - Page 2

On May 20 2009 17:36 exkgb wrote:
I really like hyvva and I hope he still has his confidence after getting totally obliterated by Bisu ytd.

On May 20 2009 18:01 Marine50 wrote:

His confidence wont be shaken. His ZvT record lately is stella. Wins against Light, SkyHighand Hwasin. His few loses are from Flash, Leta and FBH mostly. Miracle is peanuts compared to those guys

On May 20 2009 18:07 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:


I'd like to think that a 6-4 L10 record isn't "stella". It's good, definitely, but it's definitely not amazing, imo. His "real" recent ZvT (meaning with shit that isn't over 2 months old) is sitting at a near-even 3-2, so he's vulnerable. Not that Miracle will shake him, but I don't think he has what it takes against Hwasin, who's "real" recent TvZ is 7-1.

On May 20 2009 18:13 Marine50 wrote:


lol stella is overboard. But I'm still very impressed by his play.

If you look at Hyvva and hwasins past 10 opponents you can really tell Hyvva has had a much harder time than Hwasin has. Hwasins wins have been taken from not so great players while his loses are mostly from your above average zergs, Hyvva is one

It'll be tight, but I think Hyvva is going to take this

On May 20 2009 18:15 AttackZerg wrote:
hmm considering only what 2 or 3 zergs EVER have had a winrate over 50% zvt 6/4 very fucking good, not to mention the caliber of his play. He had the commentators saying that they think he might be better then jaedong zvt(note I did not say this and don't believe it).

The guy is becoming the next big zerg. Just consider his improvement over the last 3 months he went from horribly failing with queen/ultra versus flash, to writing the definative guide on ZvMech on medusa, after his amazing game vs fantasy, jaedong completely changed his zvmech approach, and not even a month after hyvaa tried to use queens against flash, jaedong started doing it.

I'm not saying that he is unbeatable, but I truely believe on a strategic level he is on the for front of modern zerg play.

On May 20 2009 18:22 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:


My issue with this (imo) is that's like saying Daezang was going to be the next big Protoss because he used forge-fe before Bisu (clearly not the case). He may have used them first, but it was Jaedong who successfully executed the strategy.

Also, for the "next big zerg" argument, I think that 2 things hinder that. 1, Jaedong would have to quit. 2, there are a LOT of above average Zergs playing on the same level right now (EffOrt, Calm, ZerO, and by.hero/Modesty are showing the potential). Also, hyvaa's ZvP is bad, but that argument is for another time and place

On May 20 2009 18:15 AttackZerg wrote:
hmm considering only what 2 or 3 zergs EVER have had a winrate over 50% zvt 6/4 very fucking good, not to mention the caliber of his play. He had the commentators saying that they think he might be better then jaedong zvt(note I did not say this and don't believe it).

The guy is becoming the next big zerg. Just consider his improvement over the last 3 months he went from horribly failing with queen/ultra versus flash, to writing the definative guide on ZvMech on medusa, after his amazing game vs fantasy, jaedong completely changed his zvmech approach, and not even a month after hyvaa tried to use queens against flash, jaedong started doing it.

I'm not saying that he is unbeatable, but I truely believe on a strategic level he is on the for front of modern zerg play.

On May 20 2009 18:22 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:


My issue with this (imo) is that's like saying Daezang was going to be the next big Protoss because he used forge-fe before Bisu (clearly not the case). He may have used them first, but it was Jaedong who successfully executed the strategy.

Also, for the "next big zerg" argument, I think that 2 things hinder that. 1, Jaedong would have to quit. 2, there are a LOT of above average Zergs playing on the same level right now (EffOrt, Calm, ZerO, and by.hero/Modesty are showing the potential). Also, hyvaa's ZvP is bad, but that argument is for another time and place

On May 20 2009 18:29 konadora wrote:

Actually, the commentators said Hyvaa's play was Jaedong-class. I don't remember the commentators saying Hyvaa might be better than Jaedong.

On May 20 2009 18:30 AttackZerg wrote:


Next big zerg does not at all imply the toppling of jaedong.

The big zergs right now are Jaedong,effort,,zero,luxury,yellow[arnac],julyzerg,by.hero and savior. I don't think its a stretch to say any good zerg is becoming one of the best zergs and getting molested by bisu does not make you bad a zvp, even effort and luxury still get trash compacted by the guy. Infact only 3 zergs do well against bisu (jaedong,zero,by.hero) and even the zergvprotossgod himself july loses to him.

The reason I brought up his strategic sense is because I think that behind brilliant idea's is a brilliant mind, and sometimes it takes a long time to nuture that into a domaniant force.

I think an offbeat zerg (savior,calm,hyvaa are all weird zerg players) would be a great addition to the ranks of aggressive/macroing/mechanically gifted zergs that currently sit atop the zerg castle.