Really <Neo Medusa> BeSt Best's TvP is rather shaky, but when the match goes standard he doesn't lose that easily. Although there is a T>P imbalance on the new Neo Medusa, Best will once again trample a Terran with his 2-base arbiter build SangHo <Outsider> fantasy Perfect map for Fantasy to use his dropships. His recent TvP against Movie was total rape, expect more rape to happen. hyvaa <God's Garden> Thezerg Hyvaa's ZvZ is nearly unstoppable, even defeating Jaedong. I still have lack of confidence in SKT1 zerg, they aren't completely there yet. Hyvaa takes this. UpMaGiC <Battle Royal> Hyuk Just another Terran who's going down in the Zerg map. Unless SKT1 zerg does a ZerO. Closer <Destination> Closer eSTRO < 1 - 3 > SK Telecom T1
On May 19 2009 19:08 exkgb wrote: now SKT fail zergs will lose 2 matches and then Bisu will clean it up.
This isn't funny anymore a) it's played out b) T1 Zergs don't suck, have you been totally ignoring PL results lately?
O come on don't be so uptight. This sorts of things makes watching starcraft more fun.
OK, here's a fun proposal: a friendly wager!! If both T1 Zergs lose, I'll have to refer to them as "fail zergs" at least 10x in the next T1 LR thread.
If Thezerg wins, you have to reply to every instance of "T1 fail zergs" (or any equivalent phrase) you see on these boards and object, pointing out T1 Zergs' PL R4 record.
Deal?????
Let's do this!! hehehe!
Thanks JWD! Sounds interesting!
You're on buddy!
*internet handshake*
Witnesses, please help enforce the terms of the wager should one of us lose!
now go go Thezerg
On May 19 2009 19:30 konadora wrote: Man.. muta difference is too big.
GG
Hyvaa wins!
KEIKAKU DOORI?
On May 19 2009 19:31 Itachii wrote: Hey JWD. lol
On May 19 2009 19:32 JWD wrote: sup illu
you've escaped doom...but I'm sure Hyuk will win and deprive you the satisfaction of winning this wager
On May 19 2009 19:32 illu wrote: JWD prepare yourself!
On May 19 2009 19:47 JWD wrote: Hyuk is attacking his own assimilators now, Up has sent out 2 rines and an scv to stop it, with some nice micro he kills the lings and prevents Hyuk from taking out the assim.
wwaaaaaa vultu vultu vulture sneaks by Hyuk's morphing sunk...oh god it's drones vs. vult
oh fuck, 2 vults now
On May 19 2009 19:47 GTR wrote: looks like you failed your bet jwd
On May 19 2009 19:47 konadora wrote: JWD, you're screwed.
On May 19 2009 19:47 JWD wrote: DUDE STOP RUBBING IT IN THIS IS PAINFUL ENOUGH ALREADY
On May 19 2009 19:53 illu wrote: Hi JWD
On May 19 2009 19:53 JWD wrote: ok illu you win the bet, fair and square
T1 Zergs were indeed FAIL ZERGS tonight
so, in accordance with the terms of the bet, in the next T1 LR thread I will refer to T1 zergs as "fail zergs" (or some other equally deprecating phrase, if you'll allow it) 10 times.
Look forward to JWD in the next few SKT1 LR threads.
Poll: Who are you rooting for? (Vote): eSTRO (Vote): SK Telecom T1!
Poll: Who do you think will win? (Vote): eSTRO (Vote): SK Telecom T1!
Poll: Highlight of the day? (Vote): Really vs Best (Vote): Sangho vs Fantasy (Vote): Hyvaa vs TheZerg (Vote): Upmagic vs Battle Royal (Vote): Ace match
Poll: If it goes to ace match, what do you want to see? (Vote): Canata TvT (Vote): Hyvaa vs Bisu (Vote): Hyvaa vs Fantasy (Vote): UpMagic vs TheZerg (Vote): UpMagic vs Fantasy (Vote): iloveoov monster terran mode (Vote): Boxer nuking somebody
Hyvaa is completely capable of taking his match and if unorthodoxiness is required for Terran to win in Battle Royal, then Upmagic is the one to do it...even though he kinda didn't get it before...
On May 15 2009 13:46 Guss wrote: no bisu? wtf is going on here?
I think Kingdom wanted to give BeSt a chance to play. Or maybe Bisu is getting a day off. Either way, it could end up costing SKT1 the series... BeSt isn't playing so well lately, and Neo Medusa has been Terran favored in PvT so far.
On May 15 2009 13:46 Guss wrote: no bisu? wtf is going on here?
I think Kingdom wanted to give BeSt a chance to play. Or maybe Bisu is getting a day off. Either way, it could end up costing SKT1 the series... BeSt isn't playing so well lately, and Neo Medusa has been Terran favored in PvT so far.
They don't want to overplay Bisu and SKT T1 feels (rightly) that they can take eSTRO without him.
Neo Medusa does not favor Terran by any means. Stats can lie.
Normally Fantasy would have an easy win over Sangho but Outsider is ridiculously difficult TvP. hyvaa is almost a lock in his game and has a fair chance at winning the ace if Bisu doesn't come out. I predict estro 3-2 if Bisu doesn't play, 2-3 otherwise.
On May 18 2009 03:05 Aurioch wrote: I hope Best wins, he needs the confident boost
Exactly what I was thinking...he's had it really rough lately and I don't think his results are at all reflective of his skill. Hopefully once the OSL starts up again he'll be able to get more games and start looking more comfortable.
just gonna say here that i wont be able to make the Oz vs STX thread like I usually do because I cant stay up till the 18:30 time (need to be awake on monday)
On May 18 2009 06:31 Atrioc wrote: just gonna say here that i wont be able to make the Oz vs STX thread like I usually do because I cant stay up till the 18:30 time (need to be awake on monday)
Bisu in the ace match seems likely. Destination is P=Z and P>T. Bisu is 65% on it, with 4/7 losses coming from Jaedong and Jangbi (when he was still playing well). Gogo Bisu.
I like how SK is giving their zergs a chance. Using five different players means the team has decent depths, unlike some other teams.
I hope this goes to ace because I want to see Bisu play. It would be awesome if he played Hyvaa in it but, most likely, the match is gonna be over before it gets to ace
On May 19 2009 03:56 Simplistik wrote: Bisu in the ace match seems likely. Destination is P=Z and P>T. Bisu is 65% on it, with 4/7 losses coming from Jaedong and Jangbi (when he was still playing well). Gogo Bisu.
I like how SK is giving their zergs a chance. Using five different players means the team has decent depths, unlike some other teams.
On May 19 2009 03:56 Simplistik wrote: Bisu in the ace match seems likely. Destination is P=Z and P>T. Bisu is 65% on it, with 4/7 losses coming from Jaedong and Jangbi (when he was still playing well). Gogo Bisu.
I like how SK is giving their zergs a chance. Using five different players means the team has decent depths, unlike some other teams.
On May 19 2009 03:56 Simplistik wrote: Bisu in the ace match seems likely. Destination is P=Z and P>T. Bisu is 65% on it, with 4/7 losses coming from Jaedong and Jangbi (when he was still playing well). Gogo Bisu.
I like how SK is giving their zergs a chance. Using five different players means the team has decent depths, unlike some other teams.
On May 15 2009 17:11 Roffles wrote: I look forward to UpMagic taking the first win for non-zergs on Battle Royale. His opponent is none other than Hyuk. Hyuk sucks.
On May 15 2009 17:11 Roffles wrote: I look forward to UpMagic taking the first win for non-zergs on Battle Royale. His opponent is none other than Hyuk. Hyuk sucks.
On May 19 2009 13:51 MoRe_mInErAls wrote: Holy shit I just noticed BeSt's 68% win rate against Protoss. This is truly incredible, how can anyone achieve such dominance in a mirror matchup?
On May 19 2009 13:51 MoRe_mInErAls wrote: Holy shit I just noticed BeSt's 68% win rate against Protoss. This is truly incredible, how can anyone achieve such dominance in a mirror matchup?
On May 19 2009 13:51 MoRe_mInErAls wrote: Holy shit I just noticed BeSt's 68% win rate against Protoss. This is truly incredible, how can anyone achieve such dominance in a mirror matchup?
On May 19 2009 13:51 MoRe_mInErAls wrote: Holy shit I just noticed BeSt's 68% win rate against Protoss. This is truly incredible, how can anyone achieve such dominance in a mirror matchup?
On May 19 2009 13:51 MoRe_mInErAls wrote: Holy shit I just noticed BeSt's 68% win rate against Protoss. This is truly incredible, how can anyone achieve such dominance in a mirror matchup?
On May 19 2009 13:51 MoRe_mInErAls wrote: Holy shit I just noticed BeSt's 68% win rate against Protoss. This is truly incredible, how can anyone achieve such dominance in a mirror matchup?
On May 19 2009 13:51 MoRe_mInErAls wrote: Holy shit I just noticed BeSt's 68% win rate against Protoss. This is truly incredible, how can anyone achieve such dominance in a mirror matchup?
On May 19 2009 13:51 MoRe_mInErAls wrote: Holy shit I just noticed BeSt's 68% win rate against Protoss. This is truly incredible, how can anyone achieve such dominance in a mirror matchup?
On May 19 2009 13:51 MoRe_mInErAls wrote: Holy shit I just noticed BeSt's 68% win rate against Protoss. This is truly incredible, how can anyone achieve such dominance in a mirror matchup?
On May 19 2009 13:51 MoRe_mInErAls wrote: Holy shit I just noticed BeSt's 68% win rate against Protoss. This is truly incredible, how can anyone achieve such dominance in a mirror matchup?
On May 19 2009 13:51 MoRe_mInErAls wrote: Holy shit I just noticed BeSt's 68% win rate against Protoss. This is truly incredible, how can anyone achieve such dominance in a mirror matchup?
On May 19 2009 13:51 MoRe_mInErAls wrote: Holy shit I just noticed BeSt's 68% win rate against Protoss. This is truly incredible, how can anyone achieve such dominance in a mirror matchup?
Light went MnM. UpMagic sucks balls at MnM. Anyone remember UpMagic vs Effort. Horrid MnM control especially against lurkers. I have to agree with your second point. Hyuk is very awful
Light went MnM. UpMagic sucks balls at MnM. Anyone remember UpMagic vs Effort. Horrid MnM control especially against lurkers. I have to agree with your second point. Hyuk is very awful
That wasn't bad control you idiot, it was no control ala not paying attention to rally point. Too busy multi-managing.
Any what do you mean "anyone remember?" That was like 2-days ago when estro 3-1ed CJ.
Its interesting that in the previous interview, Really mentioned that he is comfortable playing the macro-late game with BeSt and thats what he is planning for. But in the actual game he rushes BeSt, some reverse-psychology going on here.
Inside this fantasy It seems so ReaL to me Synthetic ecstasy, when her legs are open True Love behind a wall Where men and angels fall A fading Memory, when my mind is frozen
First pair of DTs spawn, Shuttle heads up immediately, doesnt wait for 2nd batch. Fantasy with Starport and pushing out with some tanks, kills a scouting Probe.
DTs drop, Scan is wasted. Fantasy getting engbay finally, Sangho moving up with more DTs and some other ground. DTs harass the expansion, get scanned but picked up in time. Mines everywhere now.
Wraith takes down the Shuttle, Vultures chase down one goon. Mass Vltures at Sangho's doorstep. Natural Nexus will die. Mines kill some goons, Ramp about to be broken by Vultures!
Sangho is sending his Probes to block the ramp, but his natural Nexus cannot get running. He has 3 goons left at his ramp. Fantasy starts to mine at his expo again. Observer out, GOons move out to save the natural.
On May 19 2009 19:08 exkgb wrote: now SKT fail zergs will lose 2 matches and then Bisu will clean it up.
This isn't funny anymore a) it's played out b) T1 Zergs don't suck, have you been totally ignoring PL results lately?
not meant to be funny, its just a prediction. I know T1 zergs have been doing better. But vs Hyvaa who's been red-hot in PL and Upmagic, who's always good vs zergs, I don't think Hyuk and TheZerg will win.
On May 19 2009 19:08 exkgb wrote: now SKT fail zergs will lose 2 matches and then Bisu will clean it up.
This isn't funny anymore a) it's played out b) T1 Zergs don't suck, have you been totally ignoring PL results lately?
not meant to be funny, its just a prediction. I know T1 zergs have been doing better. But vs Hyvaa who's been red-hot in PL and Upmagic, who's always good vs zergs, I don't think Hyuk and TheZerg will win.
O, you were actually SERIOUS about it? Shame on you.
On May 19 2009 19:12 exkgb wrote: I know T1 zergs have been doing better.
ahhhh, now I see why you called them "T1 fail zergs". Makes complete sense.
I guess they'll just have to prove you wrong now ^^
SKT didn't show the true power of their zerg line-up because then KeSPA would ban them for being too imbalanced. You need proof? Look at GoRush on ACE.
On May 19 2009 19:08 exkgb wrote: now SKT fail zergs will lose 2 matches and then Bisu will clean it up.
This isn't funny anymore a) it's played out b) T1 Zergs don't suck, have you been totally ignoring PL results lately?
O come on don't be so uptight. This sorts of things makes watching starcraft more fun.
OK, here's a fun proposal: a friendly wager!! If both T1 Zergs lose, I'll have to refer to them as "fail zergs" at least 10x in the next T1 LR thread.
If Thezerg wins, you have to reply to every instance of "T1 fail zergs" (or any equivalent phrase) you see on these boards and object, pointing out T1 Zerg's PL R4 record.
On May 19 2009 19:12 exkgb wrote: I know T1 zergs have been doing better.
ahhhh, now I see why you called them "T1 fail zergs". Makes complete sense.
I guess they'll just have to prove you wrong now ^^
SKT didn't show the true power of their zerg line-up because then KeSPA would ban them for being too imbalanced. You need proof? Look at GoRush on ACE.
HAHAHAHA.
But GoRush rarely played for SKT for the last year or so. It was always s2 that played (until s2 got denoted to B term anyways)
On May 19 2009 19:08 exkgb wrote: now SKT fail zergs will lose 2 matches and then Bisu will clean it up.
This isn't funny anymore a) it's played out b) T1 Zergs don't suck, have you been totally ignoring PL results lately?
O come on don't be so uptight. This sorts of things makes watching starcraft more fun.
OK, here's a fun proposal: a friendly wager!! If both T1 Zergs lose, I'll have to refer to them as "fail zergs" at least 10x in the next T1 LR thread.
If Thezerg wins, you have to reply to every instance of "T1 fail zergs" (or any equivalent phrase) you see on these boards and object, pointing out T1 Zerg's PL R4 record.
On May 19 2009 19:08 exkgb wrote: now SKT fail zergs will lose 2 matches and then Bisu will clean it up.
This isn't funny anymore a) it's played out b) T1 Zergs don't suck, have you been totally ignoring PL results lately?
O come on don't be so uptight. This sorts of things makes watching starcraft more fun.
OK, here's a fun proposal: a friendly wager!! If both T1 Zergs lose, I'll have to refer to them as "fail zergs" at least 10x in the next T1 LR thread.
If Thezerg wins, you have to reply to every instance of "T1 fail zergs" (or any equivalent phrase) you see on these boards and object, pointing out T1 Zergs' PL R4 record.
Deal?????
Let's do this!! hehehe!
Thanks JWD! Sounds interesting!
You're on buddy!
*internet handshake*
Witnesses, please help enforce the terms of the wager should one of us lose!
On May 19 2009 19:12 exkgb wrote: I know T1 zergs have been doing better.
ahhhh, now I see why you called them "T1 fail zergs". Makes complete sense.
I guess they'll just have to prove you wrong now ^^
Well, if you take into consideration of their entire history of performances in the PL, their record is still a bad losing one. They could go back on their losing ways again, who knows, but with the recent addition of their coach Mumyung, whom I know all the T1 credits for helping them improve. Maybe they'll keep doing well and prove me wrong =)
On May 19 2009 19:08 exkgb wrote: now SKT fail zergs will lose 2 matches and then Bisu will clean it up.
This isn't funny anymore a) it's played out b) T1 Zergs don't suck, have you been totally ignoring PL results lately?
O come on don't be so uptight. This sorts of things makes watching starcraft more fun.
OK, here's a fun proposal: a friendly wager!! If both T1 Zergs lose, I'll have to refer to them as "fail zergs" at least 10x in the next T1 LR thread.
If Thezerg wins, you have to reply to every instance of "T1 fail zergs" (or any equivalent phrase) you see on these boards and object, pointing out T1 Zerg's PL R4 record.
Deal?????
Let's do this!! hehehe!
Thanks JWD! Sounds interesting!
You're on buddy!
*internet handshake*
Witnesses, please help enforce the terms of the wager should one of us lose!
Thezerg securing his ramp with a bunch of lings, he has enough to fend off hyvaa now. Spire about to be done for Thezerg. He hasnt got his 2nd gas running yet.
Aggressive drone by hyvaa, lol. Thezerg getting many scourge to defend the next attack. Hyvaa loses lings, moves in with scourge muta. Thezerg running, hyvaa wins the fight, gg by Thezerg.
On May 19 2009 19:31 exkgb wrote: I want to see if Upmagic has a special build for BR vs Zerg! he mentioned that he has like 20% ? winrate vs zerg in practice on this map or something?
Well look at it this way. If it's a 20% win rate against Hyvaa, and Hyvaa is better than TheZerg, and TheZerg is better than Hyuk, then Upmagic might actually have a chance.
On May 19 2009 19:33 economist_ wrote: make him do that in the PR thread lol, that could be epic
not in the terms but...lol yeah that'd be good
I like how my most controversial PR ranks are now losing all of their games in awful fashion to spite me...now every time ZerO and Thezerg lose a game for the next year I'm going to have to return to that PR thread to read another comment about it: "YO IN UR FACE JWD"
Hyuk sending some lings to kill the left assimilators, SCV trying to harass them, but gets killed. Up sending 2 rines over and getting a starport. Rines manage to take down four lings and one stays alive!
Hyuk is attacking his own assimilators now, Up has sent out 2 rines and an scv to stop it, with some nice micro he kills the lings and prevents Hyuk from taking out the assim.
wwaaaaaa vultu vultu vulture sneaks by Hyuk's morphing sunk...oh god it's drones vs. vult
Vulture slips through and harasses the expansion. Sunken finishes, but the vulture is behind the minerals and out of range! Desperate drones try to kill it, but get all taken out. Vultures in main now!
On May 19 2009 19:48 SilverskY wrote: I dunno if this is HyuK sucking really badly, or Up playing really well with a clever strat.
well Up was clever to prevent Hyuk from taking out his assim, but Hyuk really should have had some sort of contingency plan...or made just 2 more lings
so, in accordance with the terms of the bet, in the next T1 LR thread I will refer to T1 zergs as "fail zergs" (or some other equally deprecating phrase, if you'll allow it) 10 times.
On May 19 2009 19:08 exkgb wrote: now SKT fail zergs will lose 2 matches and then Bisu will clean it up.
This isn't funny anymore a) it's played out b) T1 Zergs don't suck, have you been totally ignoring PL results lately?
O come on don't be so uptight. This sorts of things makes watching starcraft more fun.
OK, here's a fun proposal: a friendly wager!! If both T1 Zergs lose, I'll have to refer to them as "fail zergs" at least 10x in the next T1 LR thread.
If Thezerg wins, you have to reply to every instance of "T1 fail zergs" (or any equivalent phrase) you see on these boards and object, pointing out T1 Zerg's PL R4 record.
On May 19 2009 19:53 JWD wrote: ok illu you win the bet, fair and square
T1 Zergs were indeed FAIL ZERGS tonight
so, in accordance with the terms of the bet, in the next T1 LR thread I will refer to T1 zergs as "fail zergs" (or some other equally deprecating phrase, if you'll allow it) 10 times.
=)
That was fun.
Although I got really nervous about Upmagic... afterall Battle Royal is harsh for T
You have to give props to the estro coach for taking it to ACE... I'm sure he expected t1's best players in sets 1 and 2 so he sent Really and SangHo as sacrifice. He expected hyvaa to face someone less powerfull and win and UpMagic destroy any SKT Failzerg even on BR... But Bisu>all so... SKT win anyway
First lings hatching for hyvaa, will take down the pylon I guess. Bisu with Gate and one cannon. Pylon at natural has been cancelled and hyvaa placed his 3rd hatch.
Cycore, scouting Probe still alive, but does not see Lair. I wonder if BIsu will fall for this. Hyvaa still whoring drones, tries to glitch the probe. Bisu still one cannon, adding Stargate.
Spire building, 2nd cannon at Bisu's natural. 4th Hatch placed for hyvaa now. Citadel underway for Beesuit. Still no Hydra den? Lings try to slip through the backdoor, FIVE make it into the main!
First corsair is out, Goon is chasing the 4 lings remaining. No probes died yet. Corsair scouts the lair and the Hydra den building there. one probe died to Lings, Corsair working on an OL, First scourge out, chase corsair away.
Spore was completed at the third, but that DT has double digit kills. Corsair being chased by Scourge. Hyvaa preparing a ground assault with Hydraling. Morphs Lurkers at Bisu's bridge.
Speedzeals hit those hydras with great timing, Lurkers not finished. DT goes into the third again, gets taken out by Sunken but kills more Drones. Speedzeals hit the third! Single sunken will die soon
Bisu's Speedzeals with tons of damage. Another group at natural, supported by Archon. Drones come out to defend, get taken out, Zeals at third killing hydra den. This is a massacre.
Lots of angry Lots take out that Lurker at the third. Hyvaa getting more lurkers to defend for the moment. Bisu moving up with many speedzeals, temps, getting more goons and obs now,.
It's tough enough to beat Bisu ZvP even if you deflect his harass well. If you get lazy on your overlord placement and a 19 kill DT slips through there's no coming back from that.
you know... i just wondered if bisu got a clause we don't know about in his contract stating he would receive x amount of money for every proleague win he achieved, similar to how july got 5,000,000 won per win in PL before he moved out of SKT.
edit: actually i highly doubt it since bisu would have made close to 200,000 USD on pl wins alone ;p
On May 19 2009 20:36 GTR wrote: you know... i just wondered if bisu got a clause we don't know about in his contract stating he would receive x amount of money for every proleague win he achieved, similar to how july got 5,000,000 won per win in PL before he moved out of SKT.
edit: actually i highly doubt that since he would have made close to 200,000 USD on pl wins alone ;p
On May 19 2009 20:36 GTR wrote: you know... i just wondered if bisu got a clause we don't know about in his contract stating he would receive x amount of money for every proleague win he achieved, similar to how july got 5,000,000 won per win in PL before he moved out of SKT.
edit: actually i highly doubt that since he would have made close to 200,000 USD on pl wins alone ;p
Most unlikely. SKTelecom would have gone broke by now if that was to be the case :<
On May 19 2009 20:36 GTR wrote: you know... i just wondered if bisu got a clause we don't know about in his contract stating he would receive x amount of money for every proleague win he achieved, similar to how july got 5,000,000 won per win in PL before he moved out of SKT.
edit: actually i highly doubt that since he would have made close to 200,000 USD on pl wins alone ;p
Most unlikely. SKTelecom would have gone broke by now if that was to be the case :<
hey, you don't know how much money skt has poured into bisu and the team do you? 200,000 USD for his transfer to the team alone plus a rumored salary of 200,000k p/year.
On May 19 2009 20:36 GTR wrote: you know... i just wondered if bisu got a clause we don't know about in his contract stating he would receive x amount of money for every proleague win he achieved, similar to how july got 5,000,000 won per win in PL before he moved out of SKT.
edit: actually i highly doubt that since he would have made close to 200,000 USD on pl wins alone ;p
Most unlikely. SKTelecom would have gone broke by now if that was to be the case :<
hey, you don't know how much money skt has poured into bisu and the team do you? 200,000 USD for his transfer to the team alone plus a rumored salary of 200,000k p/year.
Wait, did you just say 200,000k p/year? In USD or WON?
On May 19 2009 20:36 GTR wrote: you know... i just wondered if bisu got a clause we don't know about in his contract stating he would receive x amount of money for every proleague win he achieved, similar to how july got 5,000,000 won per win in PL before he moved out of SKT.
edit: actually i highly doubt that since he would have made close to 200,000 USD on pl wins alone ;p
Most unlikely. SKTelecom would have gone broke by now if that was to be the case :<
hey, you don't know how much money skt has poured into bisu and the team do you? 200,000 USD for his transfer to the team alone plus a rumored salary of 200,000k p/year.
Wait, did you just say 200,000k p/year? In USD or WON?
200k USD a year is what I'm pretty sure he's saying.
On May 19 2009 20:36 GTR wrote: you know... i just wondered if bisu got a clause we don't know about in his contract stating he would receive x amount of money for every proleague win he achieved, similar to how july got 5,000,000 won per win in PL before he moved out of SKT.
edit: actually i highly doubt that since he would have made close to 200,000 USD on pl wins alone ;p
Most unlikely. SKTelecom would have gone broke by now if that was to be the case :<
hey, you don't know how much money skt has poured into bisu and the team do you? 200,000 USD for his transfer to the team alone plus a rumored salary of 200,000k p/year.
Wait, did you just say 200,000k p/year? In USD or WON?
On May 19 2009 20:28 robice wrote: I am ready to call BiSu the next and last Bonjwa if he wins Bacchus2
lol people have been saying this since Daum 2 years ago. I'm starting to believe bisu has some kinda of OSL curse on him. He will easily get thru the RO16 like he always does, and get owned by some T.
Bisu. Your mission is to kill Jaedong in the semi finals. Then get beaten by Fantasy in the finals so Fantasy can earn his much deserved OSL gold medal
On May 19 2009 20:45 scwizard wrote: Bisu. Your mission is to kill Jaedong in the semi finals. Then get beaten by Fantasy in the finals so Fantasy can earn his much deserved OSL gold medal
As much as I want Fantasy to win an OSL, I think it's about time Bisu wins one.
I'm really happy that UpMagic got his vZ win on BattleRoyal, it looked like he wanted it pretty bad. He played a nice game too. And Hyvaa is really cementing his place as the no2. ZvZ player in the world with another nice win. Pity he couldn't put up a better fight in the ace match but losing to Bisu is never shameful, the guy is amazing. T1 deserved the win, they are obviously the better team, even if I was rooting for the underdogs as I often do.
well boxer initially earned 160,000,000 won per/year on his 동양 contract in 2003 (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=763)
when skt bought the team he earned 150,000,000 won and 1.7 mil USD was allocated to the team in 2004 (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=12640)
don't know about succeeding years. yes the numbers may be small but this is not counting inflation etc =p
On May 19 2009 20:45 scwizard wrote: Bisu. Your mission is to kill Jaedong in the semi finals. Then get beaten by Fantasy in the finals so Fantasy can earn his much deserved OSL gold medal
As much as I want Fantasy to win an OSL, I think it's about time Bisu wins one.
If he faces Jaedong in the finals, then wouldn't that mean he would have faced Fantasy in the semis, so the result would be the same?
On May 19 2009 20:45 scwizard wrote: Bisu. Your mission is to get killed by Jaedong in the semi finals. Then Jaedong will get beaten by Casy in the finals so an ACE player can earn his much deserved OSL gold medal
On May 19 2009 20:48 disciple wrote: I'm pretty sure no one deserves his first OSL gold more than Bisu
Fantasy ? I think Bisu deserves to get to the finals , but Fantasy i think deserves to win it , because to lose 2 times in the final is dissapointing as fuck . Even Stork deserved it when he won lol .
And guess battle royal is playable for terrans after all .
On May 19 2009 20:45 scwizard wrote: Bisu. Your mission is to get killed by Jaedong in the semi finals. Then Jaedong will get beaten by Casy in the finals so an ACE player can earn his much deserved OSL gold medal
On May 19 2009 20:45 scwizard wrote: Bisu. Your mission is to get killed by Jaedong in the semi finals. Then Jaedong will get beaten by Casy in the finals so an ACE player can earn his much deserved OSL gold medal
On May 19 2009 20:45 scwizard wrote: Bisu. Your mission is to get killed by Jaedong in the semi finals. Then Jaedong will get beaten by Casy in the finals so an ACE player can earn his much deserved OSL gold medal
On May 19 2009 20:28 robice wrote: I am ready to call BiSu the next and last Bonjwa if he wins Bacchus2
lol people have been saying this since Daum 2 years ago. I'm starting to believe bisu has some kinda of OSL curse on him. He will easily get thru the RO16 like he always does, and get owned by some T.
Bisu didn't deserve to go even that far, he was lucky enough that Backho got back problems
Discuss: In order to declare bonjwa status for anyone, Bisu or Jaedong will have to beat the other one decisively (at least 3-1) in a Starleague final. Until then, it's an open question which is the better player, with Flash holding on to a close third (assuming he snaps back to form) and Leta trying really hard to knock Flash off the "best Terran" throne (but Leta seems to have individual league issues). And people like fantasy making the whole question kind of more confusing.
On May 20 2009 00:43 Musoeun wrote: ...in additional news, today's ace match marks Bisu's 20th PvZ win of this proleague season. In 24 PvZ games. The only things comparable:
- Flash, 20 wins in 25 TvTs (Leta's trying really hard to match this). - Bisu, 44 wins in 54 proleague games. The man is insanely good.
On May 20 2009 00:43 Musoeun wrote: ...in additional news, today's ace match marks Bisu's 20th PvZ win of this proleague season. In 24 PvZ games. The only things comparable:
- Flash, 20 wins in 25 TvTs (Leta's trying really hard to match this). - Bisu, 44 wins in 54 proleague games. The man is insanely good.
Jaedong's ZvZs?
This, JD has 80% winrate lifetime which is no fucking joke
Does somebody notice that Bisu's PvP is like a JD's zvz ? Bisu's has won 32 games from last 40. If he continues to rape protosses he will one of the best PvP'er in history.
On May 19 2009 20:45 scwizard wrote: Bisu. Your mission is to get killed by Jaedong in the semi finals. Then Jaedong will get beaten by Casy in the finals so an ACE player can earn his much deserved OSL gold medal
On May 20 2009 01:28 omninmo wrote: jwd is ought to have his powerrank privileges removed... that shoulda been the bet. failzerg...new haircut same fail...
Unfortunately recent month`s play is irrelevant to last months play.
On May 20 2009 05:42 KizZBG wrote: Really should have played a macro game T_T, or was Best too far ahead with the quick nexus?
Not really...Terrans face fast nexus all the time on Medusa. Especially on Neo Medusa they have shown that it's possible to win in a macro game even if the Protoss uses this build.
I think this game was simply an instance of a huge disparity in micro quality tipping the scales...Really thought he could take out BeSt's FE but instead he ended up getting horribly outmicroed and lost all of his units.
On May 20 2009 01:25 monstar123 wrote: Does somebody notice that Bisu's PvP is like a JD's zvz ? Bisu's has won 32 games from last 40. If he continues to rape protosses he will one of the best PvP'er in history.
Well, in terms of ELO, Bisu already is the best pvp player in history, best pvz player in history, the 3rd best pvt in history, and best all round player in history.
On May 19 2009 20:26 SilverskY wrote: Hyvaa is just sitting there, trying to understand what the hell just happened.
Oh no, Hyvaa was well aware of what just happened. He knew what happened when he bounced over to his expo and saw a bloody mess where some Drones should have been. No, he's just in shock at the sheer brutality of what had just been done upon him, and his complete and total inability to do a damn thing about it.
It's Bisu; you kinda expect to lose. But it would have been nice for Bisu to let him feel like he had a chance somewhere along the way. I mean, did Bisu really have to send that same DT back into the guy's base?
As some say, though, mercy is for the weak. And Bisu is not weak.
On May 20 2009 07:19 thunk wrote: It's actually amazing how many the teams eStro has taken farther than most teams have taken both CJ and SKT1, holy moly.
On May 20 2009 01:28 omninmo wrote: jwd is ought to have his powerrank privileges removed... that shoulda been the bet. failzerg...new haircut same fail...
Unfortunately recent month`s play is irrelevant to last months play.
It's completely relevant, who would put a player on knowing they will most likely suck ass? That's what part of the old PR is about, if two players are close, the player expected to do better was placed higher, and other things like that too. It shows how solid your placements were.
What was most amazing to me is when Bisu had that huge army and rolled over hyvaa's lurkers without losing *a single unit*. He only lost an obs to the spore colony. His ability to micro such huge armies the way a normal progamer micros a single grouping of units is incredible. Then there was that time he was microing two or three groups of zealots simultaneously, all the while expanding to his 2nd expo, screwing up hyvaa's macro and strategy. Hyvaa brought back all his lurkers from his 2nd expo, leaving it completely defenseless save for a small group of hydras. And those were stormed without even moving. Bisu's multitasking threw Hyvaa so off balance his game just completely deteriorated.
Yes that 19 kill dt gave Bisu a huge advantage, but the way Bisu executed after that was still beyond godlike. There's just no comparison, and there never has been. He's taken the protoss race to its absolute limits.
Wow, bisu just demolished hyvaa. That micro was really impressive, those drone kill while glued to a wall of hydras was cool; though I must admit, didn't really matter.
6 speedlings get into his main and he loses a whole 1 probe? Is this guy even human?
Then later he's microing multiple zealot attacks at once, even at the end of the game while he's ramming stuff down hyvaa's throat he still has the attention to micro new zeals popping out of his gates to keep them under the ovie that was about to drop his main. Unreal multitasking.
On May 21 2009 07:31 fanatacist wrote: I absolutely love how Bisu looks beyond bored, almost indifferent, then you watch the game and there is 400 apm going on rape on all fronts.
He doesn't have any spare APM to use on facial expressions, obviously.
On May 22 2009 07:51 TheTeamLiquidTiger wrote: if he does, no one would be too surprised
Him or Fantasy taking this OSL would amount to thunderous applause from fans and "About damn time" from indifferents. Bisu is the best player around with no OSL and Fantasy is the best player around with no title.
That WAS Jangbi for awhile but the poor chubby cheeked little man just isn't living up to it anymore.
On May 22 2009 07:51 TheTeamLiquidTiger wrote: if he does, no one would be too surprised
Him or Fantasy taking this OSL would amount to thunderous applause from fans and "About damn time" from indifferents. Bisu is the best player around with no OSL and Fantasy is the best player around with no title.
That WAS Jangbi for awhile but the poor chubby cheeked little man just isn't living up to it anymore.
That was also Luxury for awhile but then he decided to win an MSL. And suck.
EPT
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BeSt
hyvaa<God's Garden>
Not in a good way, either.
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