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out of all the pictures of flash..../swt
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geeze mind bad teeth much?
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Flash has the greatest picture, lol~
I said it before, but I guess it's worrth saying again. ForGG/Lux/Flash combo looks scary as hell.
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RP has the one of the best LR threads. =]
also wtf mind?
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omg the Mind and Flash picture are SO great.
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lol flash + mind = awesome pics
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Im really excited about zvp on battle royale
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Oh god, Flash + Mind pics are totally awesome. And it's good to see something other than zerg on Battle Royale.
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On April 12 2009 11:26 Avidkeystamper wrote:
RP has the best LR threads. =]
fixed!
<3 flashface.
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gosh ktf got such nice matchups. what more could you ask for than luxury zvp, forgg tvz, flash tvt. i highly doubt they are going to lose.
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ahh... no T on royale yet 
still... ... haha flash 
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KTF 3-1 with Luxury failing massively
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Go 박지수!!!!! I haven't seen you win for a while now.
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ROFL at Flash's pic! I fucking love it!!!
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On April 12 2009 12:00 miseiler wrote:fixed! <3 flashface.
*blushes*
Almost live, I'll start hammering the Daumsports stream in a bit.
The second poll is so lopsided. I'm one of the two people who thinks that WeMade will win.
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OMG ROFL, FLASH'S PIC IS FUCKING GREAT XD
Predictions :
RorO>Tempest
Shine[kaL]<fOrGG
Pure<LOLxury
Mind<KTFail i mean Flash
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I think KTF will 3-0
EDIT: I swear that was a typo :D
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getting on early and getting 2 great streams first try = genius
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Yep, streams are up, teams being shown on stage.
Roro and Tempest shaking hands and going into booths.
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Russian Federation1381 Posts
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fucking no!!!! GIVE ME A GOOD STREAM DAUM
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I guess I am like xxxx hours behind >.<
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DANG dude my daum direct link doesnt work the video space is totally black nothing. sound works but no video!!! HELP PLEASEE
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screen showed KTF ranked 8th, WeMade 10th.
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On April 12 2009 13:00 xxbluejay21 wrote:
DANG dude my daum direct link doesnt work the video space is totally black nothing. sound works but no video!!! HELP PLEASEE
This happens to me in Firefox
Try in IE
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Two teams with the worst protoss lines battling it out. Hehe.
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On April 12 2009 13:03 GTR wrote:
Two teams with the worst protoss lines battling it out. Hehe.
Tempest is good! </3
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On April 12 2009 13:03 GTR wrote:
Two teams with the worst protoss lines battling it out. Hehe.
just wait till lucifer starts performing again D:
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On April 12 2009 13:03 GTR wrote:
Two teams with the worst protoss lines battling it out. Hehe.
Really? I didn't think Samsung and SKT were playing. 
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On April 12 2009 13:03 GTR wrote:
Two teams with the worst protoss lines battling it out. Hehe.
what do you mean by worst
wemade has rock
edit: rofl quoted 4 times in a row
Roro and Tempest being shown in their booths.
I can't wait for this, since it's the only non-ZvZ on Battle Royale.
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Russian Federation376 Posts
Is it HOT-Forever in gray suit with KTF Coaches?
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Tempest is not wearing his glasses though...
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oh wow, battle royale, this should be really interesting
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Haha, jesus everyone uses that picture.
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On April 12 2009 13:06 bitchaRd[raGe] wrote:
Is it HOT-Forever in gray suit with KTF Coaches?
yes
INTRO PLAYED
RORO VS TEMPEST STARTING!
NON ZVZ ON BATTLE ROYALE
Roro is blue at 5 o'clock
Tempest is yellow at 11 o'clock
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hope this non zvz on battle royal turns out interesting!
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A ZvP on Battle Royal.
Roro bottom right. Tempest Upper left.
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XD let the cheesefest begin!
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On April 12 2009 13:06 illu wrote:
Tempest is not wearing his glasses though...
contacts son
TEMPEST SENDING EARLY PROBE OUT
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RorO at 5 o' clock Blue
Tempest at 10 o' clock Yellow
Map: Battle Royale
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Tempest moving his first probe out, this better be good.
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lol new maps are so exciting
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And this bodes very, very poorly for the remaining games on Battle Royal. It seems we're going to get a lot of ZvZ's
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Pylon+forge going up outside Roro's main.
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Cannon Rush, and he scouts it.
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TEMPEST'S PROBE HEADING BELOW RORO'S MAIN
PYLON GOING UP
FORGE GOING UP TOO
DRONE SPOTS THE PROXY
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lol offensive cannon strat
used alot on blue storm and shiz
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wtf, tempest with fail probe control
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llololololol... canons!!!!
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You know, that is pretty sick building placement.
Gateway above forge, Cannons building.
1 Drone is mining for Roro.
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TEMPEST PUTS UP A GATE TO WALL OFF THE OTHER DRONES
RORO PULLING ABOUT 6 DRONES TO TAKE OUT THE GATE
CANNON GOING UP, DRONES TRYING TO TAKE OUT THAT WALL
YAHHH JUST AS GATE GOES DOWN, TEMPEST PUTS ANOTHER UP TO WALL
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AND HE PULLS IT OFF!
with a shake of the head, roro mentally gg's
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CANNON GOES UP, RORO'S DRONES FORCED AWAY
2 LINGS OUT FOR RORO, UNABLE TO DO MUCH
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Tempest building a pylon right outside Roro's base only to get caught by a drone about 15 secs later.
Roro sending about half his drones to stop this.
Forge finished and cannon going up.
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cannon up! roro.... canceled something.
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Jesus, that'll teach me. Had a stream going, but I thought it was a little behind because of the comments, so now I've been spending 5 minutes trying to get a new one with no success. Good call genius. >_<;;
Oh snap, got it now: Tempest cannon rushing roro's choke.
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And the KTF mascot is walking around..
Roro thows down a second hatch, gas.
Tempest takes gas, thows down another cannon.
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Both players taking gas
Stupid KTF mascot annoying the crowd
Another cannon going up for Tempest
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2nd hatchery going up in Roro's main
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2nd hatch going up for Roro
Core going up for Tempest
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i always love well planned cannon rushes
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Actually I fail to understand the point of that cannon rush. It's so FAR from roro's base..... is it occupying roro's natural?
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Ror's going 1 base hydra.
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Hydra den going up for Roro
Core finished, and Stargate going up for Tempest
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Roro going 2 hatch hydra to break the wall+3/4 cannons outside his main.
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It's blocking him off from the natural.
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On April 12 2009 13:11 illu wrote:
Actually I fail to understand the point of that cannon rush. It's so FAR from roro's base..... is it occupying roro's natural?
It's a contain. It's teh equivalent of controlling your opponent's nat-main entrance. Roro's contained to 1 base.
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On April 12 2009 13:11 illu wrote:
Actually I fail to understand the point of that cannon rush. It's so FAR from roro's base..... is it occupying roro's natural?
yes
Hydra den up, and I assume some hydras are hatching
Some more cannons going up for Tempest
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1 base tech coming from tempest.
And tempest trapped his probe. The one that's very important to this type of build.
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A few more cannons being placed on Tempest's contain
Roro using his hydras to snipe the Forge
Forge is DOWN
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All cannons go down to hydra
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Roro breaks out, the only reason it worked was because Tempest trapped his probe.
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RORO CHARGING RIGHT IN WITH HYDRALING, BREAKING THE CONTAIN
ALL CANNONS GO DOWN
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tempest shitting his pants right now, he has nothing to block this...
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wow... hydras rape those things..
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Roro producing hydralisks.
Trying to break out of the contain! Succeeds and is now heading towards Tempest's base with approx 6 hydralisks and a ling.
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asdf;asdjfl;kajsdlfkj Tempest lost. GG's, hydras took him out.
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TEMPEST PULLING HALF HIS PROBES TO DEFEND
RORO CHARGES, AND SLAUGHTERS THE PROBES
TEMPEST GGS
WEMADE 1-0 KTF
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I knew you didn't have it in you Tempest.
T.T
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that was a ridiculous fail -_-
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TEMPTEST GG'S OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
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Tempest Tempest Tempest. Nal_Ra would have won that game.
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wtf lol
gtr was right, ktf's toss lineup is terrible
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Why didnt he kill his own assimilators?
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How was tempest planning on winning?
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i am speechless of how shitty the post-up strategy was.
sucks for Tempest FPL ppl
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I have tempest on my fantasy team and roro on my anti team....
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hahahaha
Although seriously, the fact that that is the only non-zerg being played on BR is ... discouraging.
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On April 12 2009 13:15 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Why didnt he kill his own assimilators?
No units to kill them with. Basically he severely underestimated his cannon requirements.
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Its fine KTF has their Trifecta to clean it up.
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On April 12 2009 13:15 NeoOmega wrote:
How was tempest planning on winning?
If that break failed Tempest would have won. But Tempest's last two cannons were like 15 seconds too late.
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On April 12 2009 13:15 NeoOmega wrote:
How was tempest planning on winning?
He just wanted to contain so he could get ahead in bases and just steamroll Roro.
Unfortunately, his contain wasn't too good and Roro broke it with hydras
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On April 12 2009 13:16 Pooshlmer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2009 13:15 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Why didnt he kill his own assimilators? No units to kill them with. Basically he severely underestimated his cannon requirements.
Those two cannons that didnt warped in could've been used to kill his own assimilators, then the strategy would've worked better.
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Tempest probably will have a better chance if he focused oNLY on massing probes =)
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roro so cute :3
gogo KTF however. Flash, Lux, forgg ~~
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Who is that old man in World Batoo League?! He is like 60 or so.
And he freaking looks like Takesi Kitano.
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On April 12 2009 13:17 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2009 13:16 Pooshlmer wrote:On April 12 2009 13:15 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Why didnt he kill his own assimilators? No units to kill them with. Basically he severely underestimated his cannon requirements. Those two cannons that didnt warped in could've been used to kill his own assimilators, then the strategy would've worked better.
Not really. If Roro breaks out at all it's a pretty big loss in econ, losing a forge/gateway/cannons. That + the short rush distance means Tempest is pretty much dead.
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The fact that Tempest thought his best chance was an all-in bodes very, very poorly for all future non z matches on this map.
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On April 12 2009 13:20 Pooshlmer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2009 13:17 Avidkeystamper wrote:On April 12 2009 13:16 Pooshlmer wrote:On April 12 2009 13:15 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Why didnt he kill his own assimilators? No units to kill them with. Basically he severely underestimated his cannon requirements. Those two cannons that didnt warped in could've been used to kill his own assimilators, then the strategy would've worked better. Not really. If Roro breaks out at all it's a pretty big loss in econ, losing a forge/gateway/cannons. That + the short rush distance means Tempest is pretty much dead.
That doesn't mean squat if the hydras can't touch your base.
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On April 12 2009 13:22 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2009 13:20 Pooshlmer wrote:On April 12 2009 13:17 Avidkeystamper wrote:On April 12 2009 13:16 Pooshlmer wrote:On April 12 2009 13:15 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Why didnt he kill his own assimilators? No units to kill them with. Basically he severely underestimated his cannon requirements. Those two cannons that didnt warped in could've been used to kill his own assimilators, then the strategy would've worked better. Not really. If Roro breaks out at all it's a pretty big loss in econ, losing a forge/gateway/cannons. That + the short rush distance means Tempest is pretty much dead. That doesn't mean squat if the hydras can't touch your base.
He would have had to warp them into a completely different place, losing the point of the nat-main contain.
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...... forGG will win... right?
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On April 12 2009 13:22 thunk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2009 13:22 Avidkeystamper wrote:On April 12 2009 13:20 Pooshlmer wrote:On April 12 2009 13:17 Avidkeystamper wrote:On April 12 2009 13:16 Pooshlmer wrote:On April 12 2009 13:15 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Why didnt he kill his own assimilators? No units to kill them with. Basically he severely underestimated his cannon requirements. Those two cannons that didnt warped in could've been used to kill his own assimilators, then the strategy would've worked better. Not really. If Roro breaks out at all it's a pretty big loss in econ, losing a forge/gateway/cannons. That + the short rush distance means Tempest is pretty much dead. That doesn't mean squat if the hydras can't touch your base. He would have had to warp them into a completely different place, losing the point of the nat-main contain.
My point is, the two cannons that didn't warp in weren't even close to warping in and that Tempest's strategy would be far more effective if he instead invested those minerals into cannons at his nat in order to kill the assimilators to hold the hydras at bay until he got his reaver or whatever he was going for.
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Let's see ForGG play now that he has practiced with Flash.
God. Twin cannon terran KTF is just going to run everyone over (hopefully, anyway).
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On April 12 2009 13:24 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2009 13:22 thunk wrote:On April 12 2009 13:22 Avidkeystamper wrote:On April 12 2009 13:20 Pooshlmer wrote:On April 12 2009 13:17 Avidkeystamper wrote:On April 12 2009 13:16 Pooshlmer wrote:On April 12 2009 13:15 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Why didnt he kill his own assimilators? No units to kill them with. Basically he severely underestimated his cannon requirements. Those two cannons that didnt warped in could've been used to kill his own assimilators, then the strategy would've worked better. Not really. If Roro breaks out at all it's a pretty big loss in econ, losing a forge/gateway/cannons. That + the short rush distance means Tempest is pretty much dead. That doesn't mean squat if the hydras can't touch your base. He would have had to warp them into a completely different place, losing the point of the nat-main contain. My point is, the two cannons that didn't warp in weren't even close to warping in and that Tempest's strategy would be far more effective if he instead invested those minerals into cannons at his nat in order to kill the assimilators to hold the hydras at bay until he got his reaver or whatever he was going for.
They were 15 seconds too late. I think that if he didn't trap his probe they would have been on time.
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What if Tempest had made just 2 cannons at the front and then another behind and killed Roro's assimilators with it?
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I think if Tempest daisy-chained 10 cannons Roro would have had to fight though all of them and Tempest probably would have won.
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Wow I'm in a bad mood I'm posting like Hot Bid.
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On April 12 2009 13:25 thunk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2009 13:24 Avidkeystamper wrote:On April 12 2009 13:22 thunk wrote:On April 12 2009 13:22 Avidkeystamper wrote:On April 12 2009 13:20 Pooshlmer wrote:On April 12 2009 13:17 Avidkeystamper wrote:On April 12 2009 13:16 Pooshlmer wrote:On April 12 2009 13:15 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Why didnt he kill his own assimilators? No units to kill them with. Basically he severely underestimated his cannon requirements. Those two cannons that didnt warped in could've been used to kill his own assimilators, then the strategy would've worked better. Not really. If Roro breaks out at all it's a pretty big loss in econ, losing a forge/gateway/cannons. That + the short rush distance means Tempest is pretty much dead. That doesn't mean squat if the hydras can't touch your base. He would have had to warp them into a completely different place, losing the point of the nat-main contain. My point is, the two cannons that didn't warp in weren't even close to warping in and that Tempest's strategy would be far more effective if he instead invested those minerals into cannons at his nat in order to kill the assimilators to hold the hydras at bay until he got his reaver or whatever he was going for. They were 15 seconds too late. I think that if he didn't trap his probe they would have been on time.
Fine, that's my point, at that point in the game, the cannons would not have made it on time, instead I suggested that he build cannons at Tempest's natural in order to kill the assimilator. He could've build the cannons earlier since you don't have to worry about trapped probes at Tempest's base and the cannons could kill the assimilators thus blocking any units from reaching Tempest's base allowing his reaver to get out or whatever Tempest was going for.
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2nd round started. forGG is DEFINATELY going to win. i mean.... 71 percent win over zerg vs like a 30% win vs terran. get real haha
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On April 12 2009 13:26 thunk wrote:
I think if Tempest daisy-chained 10 cannons Roro would have had to fight though all of them and Tempest probably would have won.
The main problem with that is that Tempest had no scouting - Roro could've 1 base teched to mutas and then Tempest would've autolossed.
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INTRO PLAYED
SHINE VS FORGG STARTING!
Shine is blue at 3 o'clock
Forgg is white at 9 o'clock
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let's go forGG! So far my fantasy team has worked out perfectly, but I'm less sure of my 3-pointers (forGG and hwasin)...
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Shine's Blue Z3
ForGG's White T9.
I don't know what map this is, the wheel-spoke one?
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Shine[kaL] at 3 o' clock Blue
fOrGG at 9 o' clock White
Map: Heartbreak Ridge
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They both drone/scv scouted to avoid proxies.
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No cheese this time.
SHINE'S OVERLORD GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION OMFGWTF
Shine sending a fairly early drone to scout, around the same time as Forgg sends his SCV
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Forgg building an E-Bay on Shine's nat
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early scout from forGG and thank god it's not BBS
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ForGG walled off, hmm... and he build an ebay to prevent the 12 hatch.
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On April 12 2009 13:19 bitchaRd[raGe] wrote:
Who is that old man in World Batoo League?! He is like 60 or so.
And he freaking looks like Takesi Kitano.
Cho Hun Hyun, he's known in the Go world as Tushin/God Of War (like July lol).
Known best though for being the master of top Go player Lee Chang-ho.
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LOL there was a guy holding a girl's chin hhahahahhaha
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ROFL. The camera caught that guy holding that girl's chin (wtf).
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Forgg stops building the E-Bay, and Shine pulls drones to kill it
Shine building his nat hatch right after
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Shine's regained control of his nat, Forgg's rax half done.
Girl sucking lollipop.
Shine's pool just started.
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hahaha forgg imitating Leta.
Well, other than the fact that it doesn't look like he's following up with 2port wraiths. But whatever.
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2 rax before cc for Forgg?
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Shine's scouting drone runs out of Forgg's main
CC going up at Forgg's nat
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nvm rax-cc-rax for Forgg.
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Shine doing nefarious min mining at lower left. Morphing in Lair.
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Shine sending a drone to mine out Forgg's 7 o'clock minerals
4 lings out for Shine, chasing Forgg's scout
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KTF's mascot is embarassing.
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i'm way behind on the stream o.o"
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KTF mascot enjoying his dance! LOL!
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very nice scv pull
and great medic timing.
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Yeah. I never liked the mascot.
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Forgg sees the drone mining out the back 7 o'clock minerals
Shine sending a few speedlings to Forgg's nat
Forgg getting defensive, SCVs and rines blocking a bunker
Shine tries to move in, but is forced out by the marines
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Shine making a sneak expo at 11 o'clock?!
4th rax going up for Forgg
Shine sending a few lings to the 7 o'clock minerals, which were mined out
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Forgg scouts the min mine, Ling play at ForGG"s nat. Spire up for Shine.
Third also goes down @ Upper right for Shine, Id on't know what that means. in terms of expo count, I swear I saw a fourth too.
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Shine being bold. Building a hatchery at 11 o' clock right above fOrGG's base!!
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forGG's backdoor is open.
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Ling backstab attempted by Shine, mostly fails.
Muta out for Shine.
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Mutas are out for Shine
Forgg is aware of the back entrance, and positions his marines to defend
Mutas taking out some stray fbats
Lings running into Forgg's main, but no damage is done
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Mutalisks out for Shine. Manages to sneak a few lings into fOrGG's main.
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ah!
2 bats die, free scout for shine
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ForGG threw turrets down everywhere.
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Forgg throwing down 12 turrets.
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A lot of turrets up for Forgg, Shine doing his best at taking out any stray units/turrets
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Aww. The turrets are on the wrong side.
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How is this muta harass effective, ForGG's invested at least 1000 mins into turrets.
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Shine finding the gaps and killing several scvs despite the veritable turret forest Forgg has erected.
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wow, these turrets are useless, shine's still taking out SO many scvs
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Shine's muta micro dealing a good chunk of damage, and even more mutas are on the way
Queen's Nest starting up at Shine's sneak expo at 11 o'clock
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shine has an odd expansion on top of forGG's base. Queen's nest down.... guardian rush?
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ForGG only has 6 scvs mining at his nat.
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this isn't looking good for forgg...
this map seems strong for muta harass zvt
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HIve coming in for Shine. The map really makes muta harass impossible to fend off.
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Shine has so many muta, over 2 control groups.
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Did forGG forget marine range or something?
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well my fantasy season is over : (
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Shine's muta micro is still doing so much damage
Hive morphing at Shine's nat
Even more mutas on the way, full stack of them going for Forgg's turrets
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I think shine has won the game already >_<
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I THINK SHINE CAN WIN HERE
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ForGG has a HUGE hole in his turret defense that Shine is simply abusing. It's like he didn't practice that at all?
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I can't wait until Jaedong plays this map.
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DAYUM Shine's micros his mutas to eprfection, taking out all of Forgg's marines
Hive almost done, A LOT of mutas gathering at the middle of the map
(I have Forgg on my fantasy team and I'm cheering for Shine, that's how good he is T.T)
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Somewhere, PianO is crying.
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Shine has torn down nearly every turret at Forgg's expansion leaving it exposed. He's also killed off Forgg's mm. Shine has complete map control and a TON of muta.
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Yeah. I don't see how ForGG can win at this rate.
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Greater spire.
I think the leagues are going to have a lot more ZvZ this season.
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Greater spire is on the way. ForGG is fucked.
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GOIN IN WITH TONS OF MUTAS
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Shine just abused that one turret hole that ForGG had and got a huge advantage, now it looks like a Guardian switch is going to finish him.
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GREATER SPIRE MORPHING, LETS SEE THOSE GUARDIANS
2 full muta stacks on the prowl still, taking out a bunch of marines and SCVs
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Shine's Mutas harrasing like crazy at both main and expo! fOrGG losing alot of SVC's!
fOrGG trying his best to defend but is in a pretty bad position now.
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Haha, Shin'es trying to do that two control group muta micro thing.
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GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG FROM FORGG
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Double muta stack takes out all of Forgg's bio
Forgg GGs
Wemade 2-0 KTF
This is why I love the 2 new WeMade zergs 
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Forgg types out before guardians to mass mutas inside his base.
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Holy shit, learn to build turrets in your min line.
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forgg has now caught the 'join ktf and slump for life' curse
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FFFFFUUUUU Weak performance from  fOrGG.
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ouch
my fantasy team felt that one
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I think they can still win cuz luxury/flash are next and they're gonna pwn so bad
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lame, no turrets in range of his mineral line and poor marine mobility to get there... I don't understand what his plan was? It's like he barely practiced at all, surely he played tvz against luxury?
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forgg i spent points on yo ass!
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Flash isn't useful if you can't get to the fourth set.
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nooooooo shine is on my anti
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Come on Luxury and Flash!
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ForGG's turret placement in the main was lol, 7 turrets that never fired a shot.
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Maybe luxury will make up for it by playing in the ace match...
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probably too early to say but shine at least makes Heartbreak Ridge look imbalance in ZvT against ForGG
the nat min line is very open to muta harass and I don't know if it was an issue with ForGG's turret placement in his main, but there was a lot of room for Shine to muta harass whether doing it in ForGG's main or nat
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sync 2.0
forgg can go to estro and we can get a good toss and play hoejja
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Commentators are saying that Terrans shouldn't really go bionic in this map early on. They're saying that Terrans should play like Leta did by harrasing early on OR go straight mech.
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On April 12 2009 13:43 udgnim wrote:
probably too early to say but shine at least makes Heartbreak Ridge look imbalance in ZvT against ForGG
the nat min line is very open to muta harass and I don't know if it was an issue with ForGG's turret placement in his main, but there was a lot of room for Shine to muta harass whether doing it in ForGG's main or nat
I think fOrGG was trying to build turrets above his cliff but zerglings interrupted, a critical mistake.
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wtf i have shine[kal] in my anti team and forgg in my main team >
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really surprized forgg lost. his tvz percentage is 71 percent to shine's 30%. Luxury/Flash have to win the next 2 if they want to win. Next is luxury vs pure. Luxury's zvp is REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY strong these days. So I'm guessing this is an auto win. But who knows. forgg lost to a zerg.
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lol Flash and Mind pictures.
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dammit, your were supposed to fucking 3-0 them ktf; what you think I wanted to pick you! I wanted to pick OGN like I always do in FP but the mu's just looked so good....lets go flash, carry it thru the ace...
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On April 12 2009 13:40 GTR wrote:
forgg has now caught the 'join ktf and slump for life' curse
I'd say Luxury broke that curse, thank god.
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On April 12 2009 13:48 huameng wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2009 13:40 GTR wrote:
forgg has now caught the 'join ktf and slump for life' curse I'd say Luxury broke that curse, thank god.
I don't think it was KTF that caused his slump.
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United States13143 Posts
So when I was making my fantasy team I was trying to decide between KTF + Forgg or 2-pointer + Samsung.
I think I made the wrong decision.
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On April 12 2009 13:45 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2009 13:43 udgnim wrote:
probably too early to say but shine at least makes Heartbreak Ridge look imbalance in ZvT against ForGG
the nat min line is very open to muta harass and I don't know if it was an issue with ForGG's turret placement in his main, but there was a lot of room for Shine to muta harass whether doing it in ForGG's main or nat I think fOrGG was trying to build turrets above his cliff but zerglings interrupted, a critical mistake.
it was obviously a timing issue, but even if ForGG built turrets on the ridgeline above his nat, I think it would have been very difficult to maintain turrets up there
his marines would be yoyoing back and forth between defending the ridge & defending his nat against the mutas
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
My fantasy team is crying
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| Flash (11) | great (5) | | fOrGG (3) | Reach (3) | | HoeJJa (3) | Sea[Shield] (5) | | Luxury(5) | | Tempest (2) | | Violet (2) | | KTF MagicNs (4) |
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Maybe perhaps it was because JD owning fOrGG so bad it caused him to be in a huge state of shock??
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My anti-team
Juni
Shine
Notice
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On April 12 2009 13:50 Plexa wrote:My fantasy team is crying <table><tr><th>Team</th><th>Anti</th></tr><tr><td>Flash (11)</td><td>great (5)</td></tr><tr><td>fOrGG (3)</td><td>Reach (3)</td></tr><tr><td>HoeJJa (3)</td><td>Sea[Shield] (5)</td></tr><tr><td>Luxury(5)</td></tr><tr><td>Tempest (2)</td></tr><tr><td>Violet (2)</td></tr><tr><td>KTF MagicNs (4)</td></tr></table>
You put Sea on your Anti-team? Like it's a good choice, it's not like he's going to be winning much but I thought you were an MBC fan.
Or are you just a Pusan fan.
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Pure versus Lux. Let's see if Fakesteve's Lux ZvP prediction is true.
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hopefully not wemade 3-0. lol.
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On April 12 2009 13:50 Plexa wrote:
My fantasy team is crying
[snip]
Heh, we're both in the negatives.
My team pretty much shot itself in the face yesterday, so I'm not going to pay attention to it anymore. (unless one of my players suddenly turns into a bonjwa)
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that was just horrible turret placement. it's obvious that muta harass is very strong on this map though. hopefully terrans will learn how to play this map soon. seems like they're still trying out relatively basic strategies
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Luxury and Flash are both going to win, and then KTF is going to send out
HOEJJA
+ Show Spoiler +
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INTRO PLAYED
PURE VS LUX STARTING!
Pure is red 3 o'clock
Lux is green at 7 o'clock
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started! pure at 3, lux 7
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Luxury at 7 o' clock Green
Pure at 3 o' clock Red
Map: Neo Medusa
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Lux Green Z bottom.
Pure Red? P 3.
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LUXURY tricked pure into scouting the wrong direction. brilliant play by lux.
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Pure building pylon at nat, and sending that probe to scout in the right direction
Huh? Pure sees Lux's overlord.... and turns his probe to the wrong direction?
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Did I just see what happened?
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Omg!! Luxury fooling Pure with his overlord into thinking that he's at 10 o' clock base instead!
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HAHA tricky ovie
that was cute
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Yea, apparently Pure messed up.
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Pure putting up 1 cannon
Lux went for a 12 hatch I believe
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lux 12 hatch. pure didn't scout and had to go cannon first.
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and he cancels his cannon.
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On April 12 2009 13:58 deathgod6 wrote:and he cancels his cannon.
yea...
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Lux's nat hatch is up now
Pure's scouting probe is being chased by some lings
Lair started for Lux
Pure putting up a Core
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Hm, think think. I dunno how Wemade's going to 3-0 this.
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3rd going up for Lux and Lair as well.
Lux being in a comfortable position.
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Spire going up for Lux
Stargate going up for Pure
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quick looking gas there, did he get it before his 3rd hatch?
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yo I just tuned in, and I'd like to thanks Jiiks for this flawless stream! cheers
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Spire started for Lux. Scouting probe finally gets caught.
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Lux kills Pure's scouting probe with lings
Robo going up for Pure (at his nat)
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Sair scouts normal 5 hatch play.
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lux 5 hatch. looking good so far.... plz don't be wemade 3-0, lol
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Lux building mass hatcheries now.
Going for mass hydras.
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3 sairs out for Pure, and some Scourge roaming around for Lux
Pure moves out with a goon and 3 zlots to Lux's nat, but he runs away
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Lux is trying to snipe the shuttle, but kind of messes up.
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Sairs just sitting on the cannons in fear of Scourge
Lux setting up Spores in each of his bases
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Lux hiding scourge at the top and bottom of Pure's main and nat, Sairs are unaware of them
Reaver out for Pure
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It's Standard standard, not much to live report on, really.
Shuttle out for Pure, the sair army's starting to get pretty large actually.
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Shuttle is out
Lux pumping some hydras out now
+1 attack on the way for Pure
Pure setting up a Nexus at his min only
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Lux takes a fourth.
Shuttle snipe, like no other. Damn, Pure played it smart.
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Pure throws down 4 gateways.
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Luxury expanding at 9 o' clock.
Pure is now moving his shuttle+dt out to harrass.
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DT in lux's main. dead in 8 seconds.
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OMG SO FUCKING INTESNE. GO LUX!!!!!1
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Minor harass, pure's got him self quite variety of units there.
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Serious hydra production from Lux, and his 4th base at 9 o'clock is getting saturated
Lux also sending a drone to the 11 o'clock expos
LUX MOVING INTO PURE'S NAT WITH LOTS OF HYDRA, AND SNIPES THE FORGE
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forge got sniped by lux. did level 1 attack finish?
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drone vs dt stare-off at 12
edit: sairs fly over hydras! luxury in a comfortable lead at this point...
edit edit: oh god my fantasy team is in trouble, luxury loses 8 morphing lurkers and a shitton of hydras in the middle to a huge protoss ball
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Lux attacks the nat, but thank goodness he backed off. It was a really bad call.
And a DT and a drone sit out of each other's vision at 12's nat.
Pure has done no damage to Lux.
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Pure moves out, I think it's a pretty han-bangy attack. I don't know what PUre's chances of remacroing are.
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Looks like the +1 did finish after all
DT out for Pure, trying to deny expos at 11 o'clock
Pure runs his Corsairs into a crowd of hydras, and loses quite a few
Pure now moving out with zealot/goon/HT/reaver, Lux setting up for a flank
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OMG PSI STORM ON THE LURKER EGGS
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Pure's 4th base is on the way
Lux getting in position to flank
LUX MORPHING LURKS IN FRONT OF PURE'S ARMY WHAT
PURE RUNS UP AND MURDERS THE EGGS, LUX TRIES TO FLANK
OH GOD THE STORMS JUST DESTROYING LUX
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lurkers got owned. pure is winning!
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Pure botched an attack, that was really bad.
Lux looks like he's going to lose.
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WeMade 3-0 my dear lord >.<
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HOLY CRAP LUX MIGHT LOSE RIGHT NOW
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I wonder why my nat breaks don't look at clean.
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LUX IS FORCED BACK TO HIS NAT, PURE SENDING A FUCKING TRAIN THROUGH IT
CHOO CHOOOOO
DEFILER MOUND IS OUT, BUT IT'S PROBABLY TOO LATE
LUX GGS
WEMADE 3-0 KTF
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fakesteve has some s'plainen' to do
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Watch as fakesteve chokes on his words.
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LUX GG'S HOLY SHTI HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT KTF DEFEATED 3-0 HOLY SHITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
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Well at least my man Pure won!
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hooray Luxury, Mr. Inconsistent
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LOL
WHAT
THE
FUCK
HAHAHAHA THANK GOD I SWITCHED OUT OF CHOOSING KTF
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NOOOOO. There goes my liquibet
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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OMG!! Luxury gg's!! wtf??...
Wemade fox 3 - 0 KTF. Guess my prediction was completely wrong! Too bad Flash didn't even get to come out!
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That was pretty bad for the best ZvP in the world.
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maybe lux should have listned to day9's podcast about redundancy, scourges, hydras and static defences are overomittment against sairs ^^
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YES PURE MAKING UP FOR FORGG FAIL MY FANTASY LIVES ON!
KTFAIL
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lol ktf sucks, good to know...
Luxury is the best ZvP in the world right steve?
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I stay with KTF guess that was a horrible decision
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So who saw that one coming?
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all i wanted to see was flash play
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On April 12 2009 14:10 Avidkeystamper wrote:
That was pretty bad for the best ZvP in the world.
Agreed, *cough*cough*
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DAMN IT FLASH DIDNT EVEN GET TO PLAY DAMN IT
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KTFUCK
My fantasy team. T-T
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Luxury begins his meteoric descent into mediocrity
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Damn, Pure's on my fantasy team. I knew he would make me look good sometime.
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when will KTF learn to not put Flash 4th jesus..
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Feel good for Pure. That kid has been slumping forever now. It's nice to see him shine again.
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Since when did Fox's zergs get better?
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Luxury's ZvP is nowhere near the best in the world. If he doesn't kill the toss off early with aggression he's clueless where to go in a management game. Luxury built far, far, too much static defense and got run over by the superior economy of Pure. I knew he was dead when I saw a spore/sunk at every single base including his main. Pure smartly didn't commit to harass since it wasn't necessary, Luxury killed his own economy.
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Thanks for the stream Jiiks!
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Getting that storm off on the lurker eggs was very key.
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Oh KTF, this is why I can't believe in you just yet.
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On April 12 2009 14:12 deathgod6 wrote:
Since when did Fox's zergs get better?
They've always been very underrated. Roro/Shine/keke are (in my opinion) the best zerg line after CJ's savior/effort/kwanro
By the way:
LOLOLOL
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The one time i don't go for Wemade for liquibet..they win. Wtf ]=
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Best ZvP in the world my ass.
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On April 12 2009 14:12 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Luxury's ZvP is nowhere near the best in the world. If he doesn't kill the toss off early with aggression he's clueless where to go in a management game. Luxury built far, far, too much static defense and got run over by the superior economy of Pure. I knew he was dead when I saw a spore/sunk at every single base including his main. Pure smartly didn't commit to harass since it wasn't necessary, Luxury killed his own economy.
I feel there's a lot of merit to this comment but I'm not good enough to put it as clearly as Nova did.
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On April 12 2009 14:13 BWdero wrote:
Best ZvP in the world my ass.
AGREED DUDE WTF
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I don't even know why I'm still believing in KTF.
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On April 12 2009 14:14 xxbluejay21 wrote:AGREED DUDE WTF
this
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dang... who would have thought..
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Best ZvP in the world... LOL
Another reason that KTF is nothing without Flash...
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Damn, I'm 5th overall.
I'm going to drop significantly after STX beats eStro though.
Edit: Nvm, I liquibetted STX over eStro. Go Stx...
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On April 12 2009 14:13 Realpenguin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2009 14:12 deathgod6 wrote:
Since when did Fox's zergs get better? They've always been very underrated. Roro/Shine/keke are (in my opinion) the best zerg line after CJ's savior/effort/kwanro By the way: LOLOLOL
Don't you remember when Shine almost killed his own hydra with a ling? >_<
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ROFL love the op pics
...the outcome is killing me
0-3..wow
ForGG + Lux FAIL?
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shine[kal] beat forgg? are u fricking serious? this is madness
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I'm glad i accidently selected Wemade over KTF in liquibet haha
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
lux doesnt deserve his power rank
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WTF. This completely kills my fantasy team..oh god.
Well, kudos to wemade for pulling this off i guess
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5 spores for 4 bases early on, Luxury? 
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On April 12 2009 14:11 thunk wrote:
Damn, Pure's on my fantasy team. I knew he would make me look good sometime.
I have ktf in my fantasy team too
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Pure over Luxury?
*sigh* same old Luxury I guess...
This is what KTF gets for sending out Frogg before Flash. Should be sending out Flash twice here.
If KTF is going to lose that badly like that, then they have no hope for the rest of the proleague.
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I keep forgetting that Flash needs one of his clownshoes teamates to win in order for him to sweep the ace match.
Such a change from Winners League.
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ForGG and Shine[KaL] hate my fantasy team. Atleast I got a lot of points in the STX game
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On April 12 2009 14:50 ssystem wrote:
ForGG and Shine[KaL] hate my fantasy team.
same here bro
... except I had Notice on my anti too, so my fantasy basically got raped tonight
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I have Shine[Kal] on my anti team
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KTF will never learn their lesson about sending flash out 4th
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Wow WeMade really showed them haha. So much for everyone thinking KTF was going to win
gogo 3-0 WeMade!
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I think Flash might be some sort of black hole for skill.
Whenever his teammates are in his presence, like in proleagues, they lose horribly, but in individual leagues, they can sweep.
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oh man, I shudder to think how many points I lost tonight...
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KTF is like the worst team with the best players. Arguably the best Terran in the world, arguably the second best zerg in the world (Jaedong obviously is the first, so only second is arguable), and forGG who's been known to pump out some good games.
Yet, here they are 0-3'd worse than Estro.
I mean seriously Lux who fucking builds 8 spore colonies.
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On April 12 2009 15:38 SilverskY wrote:
Holy shit, wtf happened?
My thoughts exactly, I expected the total opposite from KTF.
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United States3824 Posts
Damn you KTF scrwing up my Liquibet
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Everyone! Let's sue KTF for screwing us!!
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KTF 
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On April 12 2009 15:38 SilverskY wrote:
Holy shit, wtf happened?
70% TvZ player getting rolled by a nobody zerg, luxury going "you know today I will see if I can win with just spore colonies." =(
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WTF?! WTF?! WTF?!
Just came from a party to see that shit!!?? WTF is wrong KTF? This is mind blowing that having sucg a strong line-up they lose to nobody...
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Also another thing: Luxury could've won that game, but for some reason did that stupid shit with his lurker eggs. It was almost as if Luxury knew if he won the game he'd still have to get up out of the seat and that pissed him off so much he decided to lose.
I this were WL, Luxury would've been comfortable sitting down and would've trashed that match. >:
(sorry I'm a big Lux fan but come on he lost like 10 lurker eggs to a storm for being stupid and made 8+ spore colonies TT)
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god damnit. fuckfuckfuck.
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KTF has the worst talent/victory ratio ever, adding Lux and fOrGG just makes it even worse.
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On April 12 2009 15:38 SilverskY wrote:
Holy shit, wtf happened?
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On April 12 2009 17:15 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Also another thing: Luxury could've won that game, but for some reason did that stupid shit with his lurker eggs. It was almost as if Luxury knew if he won the game he'd still have to get up out of the seat and that pissed him off so much he decided to lose.
I this were WL, Luxury would've been comfortable sitting down and would've trashed that match. >:
(sorry I'm a big Lux fan but come on he lost like 10 lurker eggs to a storm for being stupid and made 8+ spore colonies TT)
I thought Lux was going for some brilliant play where he would cancel the eggs and flank the bunched up Protoss army with his hydras.
Instead, his lurkers eggs AND all of his hydras got stormed to death =X
I wonder if morphing them there was an accident...
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I'm gonna go ask again FakeSteve why is Luxury's ZvP better then Jaedong's . God and i picked KTF for my fantasy PL team ..KTFail never fails to fail .
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8 spore colonies? I need to see it to believe it. Luxury, share your drugs plz. T_T
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On April 12 2009 17:16 EvoChamber wrote:
KTF has the worst talent/victory ratio ever, adding Lux and fOrGG just makes it even worse.
Ace says hi
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On April 12 2009 14:13 Realpenguin wrote:
They've always been very underrated. Roro/Shine/keke are (in my opinion) the best zerg line after CJ's savior/effort/kwanro
Third best, imo - July/Calm/by.hero (and by.hero doesn't even get to play that much) make a very strong argument for first, even over the CJ Zergs. I'd definitely say they're better than WeMade's line. Not that third-best Zerg line in a twelve team league is bad by any means!
KTF's line is also strong except that Firefist's vsT is fail and Luxury, well, you know... *gestures vaguely in Pure's direction*
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Don't forget Oz's zerg lineup of Jaedong/Piratezerg/Moustachezerg. Those three are in a league of their own.
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Wow, is the PL that different from WL? I mean, back to the old format and back to every KTF player not named Flash sucking.
On April 12 2009 15:00 Kuja900 wrote:
KTF will never learn their lesson about sending flash out 4th
You do realize that it takes 2 wins to send a match into Ace right?
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Haha the Flash pic is fucking awesome, love it :D
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Shitty start for my Fantasy PL...
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On April 12 2009 18:15 baubo wrote:
You do realize that it takes 2 wins to send a match into Ace right?
You do realize that once you lose 3 matches, the fourth match doesn't get played, right?
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On April 12 2009 20:01 writer22816 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2009 18:15 baubo wrote:
You do realize that it takes 2 wins to send a match into Ace right? You do realize that once you lose 3 matches, the fourth match doesn't get played, right?
You do realize losing 3-1 or 3-0 doesnt matter that much, right?
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luxury's inconsistency is astounding.
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I think I must be the only person to have  Shine[kaL] on my fantasy team lol.
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When I opened the results tab, I did a spit-take.
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my entire fantasy team is like KTF... i figured with this many good players they had to win sometime... guess i was wrong T_T fantasy proleague season failed T_T... go stork and savior theN~
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On April 12 2009 20:07 Kaolla wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2009 20:01 writer22816 wrote:On April 12 2009 18:15 baubo wrote:
You do realize that it takes 2 wins to send a match into Ace right? You do realize that once you lose 3 matches, the fourth match doesn't get played, right? You do realize losing 3-1 or 3-0 doesnt matter that much, right?
Unless you're playing in the FPL, which means there is a difference in the points if your team loses/wins 3-1 or 3-0.
Thought I'd see KTF at least pulling out 1 game in this series but apparently, I was wrong. :[
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UHHHHHHHHHH? THE HELL JUST HAPPENED!?!?
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i don't see why everyone is freaking out about fantasy proleague already. there have only been 4 matches played so far. things change. especially with this many new maps, the players are going to take a while to get used to them. just wait it out, or try to trade for better players
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Although I'm a KTF fan its nice to see Pure back in the PL and winning.
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On April 13 2009 06:10 SingletonWilliam wrote:
Although I'm a KTF fan its nice to see Pure back in the PL and winning.
Agreed.
Yeah, FS and his "Luxury has the best ZvP in the world" are looking quite foolish. Lux's lategame ZvP is still absolute garbage imo. If he can't win (or at least gain a huge advantage with) a ling runby or hydra bust, he's screwed.
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On April 12 2009 14:13 Realpenguin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2009 14:12 deathgod6 wrote:
Since when did Fox's zergs get better? They've always been very underrated. Roro/Shine/keke are (in my opinion) the best zerg line after CJ's savior/effort/kwanro By the way: LOLOLOL
I agree..fox has a great zergs who are underrated but, I think STX zerg(Calm, July, and Hero) line up is as good as CJs if not a bit better, but its STX so maybe that was already assumed.
And Luxurys ZvP is still mediocre, tons of zergs have better or comparable ZvP, for him to the best is plain silly talk, Im sure we can think of atleast 6 off the top of our heads very easily.
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On April 12 2009 18:07 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Don't forget Oz's zerg lineup of Jaedong/Piratezerg/Moustachezerg. Those three are in a league of their own.
hahahaha
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Wow...Lux...what happened?
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Oz has the number one zerg line statistically, highest win percentage, as far as I know most combined wins plus it took 7 wins in the wl playoff's so it's clutch to...
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Is KTF going to be KTFlash again? Don't lose to estro please. Atleast not 3-0, though that's highly unlikely since Flash is first.
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On April 13 2009 00:58 Apex wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2009 20:07 Kaolla wrote:On April 12 2009 20:01 writer22816 wrote:On April 12 2009 18:15 baubo wrote:
You do realize that it takes 2 wins to send a match into Ace right? You do realize that once you lose 3 matches, the fourth match doesn't get played, right? You do realize losing 3-1 or 3-0 doesnt matter that much, right? Unless you're playing in the FPL, which means there is a difference in the points if your team loses/wins 3-1 or 3-0.
So you're saying it's better for Flash to play on a disadvantageous map(for him) in order for him to play in the first 3 games, then to put him in the best position to win?
Sure, 1-3 is better than 0-3. But Flash isn't invincible. And if he loses, KTF's pretty much dead in the water.
Given all the shenanigans that typically occur when new maps are introduced, keeping Flash on Destination is a very smart decision. Old maps favor the superior player.
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haha i remember that flash pic
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Luxury didn't do that badly. The lurker eggs getting killed fucked it all up for him. I like his use of heavy static defence compared to other zergs who try to cut corners and ignore it and pay for it.
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what did you mean by tempest trapped the probe? the probe was still able to build cannons
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I was expecting KTF 3-0 or close, but the results became the reverse 0-3 lose. WTF. KTFail.
A team with a lot of talent, but no one pulling through.
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Uh... wow i expected at LEAST Luxury or ForGG to win...
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I went KTF heavy with my Fantasy team (forgg, tempest, Flash, KTF) thinking it would net me a lot of points because of the match ups.
That went well.
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On April 14 2009 00:14 infinity2k9 wrote:
Luxury didn't do that badly. The lurker eggs getting killed fucked it all up for him. I like his use of heavy static defence compared to other zergs who try to cut corners and ignore it and pay for it.
Guess you don't play ZvP, other professional zergs cut corners for a reason, you know? I think this game clearly showed that reason.
Also, in the Tempest vs RorO game, I know Tempest couldn't have adjusted his strat before hand since he had no scouting information on RorO and couldn't predict when the hydra bust would come. But if he did, would it have been better to morph cannons at his nat to destroy his assimilators instead of morphing the 3 extra cannons at RorO's nat that never got a chance to complete?
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Jesus christ. I watch the third game and I'm like, "how the hell is this over at 16 minutes, its 14 minutes in and there hasn't been a single attack, both players are macroing their asses off, and Pure has done absolutely no damage with any sort of harass. I think he killed one overlord with his 7 corsairs."
2 minutes later, I had my answer. What the fuck was Luxury doing for 15 minutes? It takes you 15 minutes to make 30 hydralisks" What about lurkers? Tech?.... anything? while the Protoss is almost entirely passive?
Even a B level guy on ICCUP could have held off that attack, for one thing, they might have decided to make lurkers before the 14 minute mark, and would probably not make them in a giant clump right in front of a huge ball of protoss units.
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