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MVP vs firebathero
epic battle?
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They're not playing Jangbi before the ace? Did he do a bit too much drinking after losing to Lux?
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United States11390 Posts
Oz got awesome draw against OGN~
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Baa?21243 Posts
I hope to God that July beats Really. July's on my main, and Really's on my anti xD
Come on July, rape that shit up!
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ACE has an all-star lineup
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Winner's League was fun, but I like having the anticipation of known matchups. CJ vs. Ace should be entertaining.
Both Stars matches should be tough but winnable against two of the better teams in the league. Actually, I would not at all be surprised if they 3-0'ed Khan.
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On April 09 2009 13:13 littlechava wrote:
MVP vs firebathero
epic battle?
YES YES YES MVP MVP MVP
(also, free vs great rematch. should be epic.)
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man i totally missed the traditional PL format
i hope fbh comes out of his slump!
edit: why is free's name never tlpdized
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Baa?21243 Posts
I jizzed right in my pants.
FUCK, YEAH.
Reach, YellOw, Savior for the fucking win!
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
We got this shittttttt! Bring it on STX!
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
Not a lot of mirror matchups, these teams don't know much about the imbalances in these maps yet.
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Hite SPARKYZ vs Hwaseung Oz on OGN
HoGiL<God’s Garden>Spear
I dont know much about Spear, but i have a feeling HoGiL is going to step it up this year
YellOw[ArnC]<Neo Medusa>Jaedong
Jaedong has proven himself over and over vsZ. This should be no prob.
Leta<Heartbreak Ridge>ggaemo
Leta is riding off of a dissapointing SL result. I think the young star will absoultly trash anything in his way
Horang2<Outsider>HiyA
Horang prides himself on his nonstandard play. Hiya prides himself on being a vsP killer...Advantage Hiya.
Leta<Battle Royale>Jaedong
Battle Royale is a new map..so i dont know the MU percentages. But the way JD is playing, he should run over Leta ez pz.
Oz 3 - Sparkyz 2
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United States11390 Posts
On April 09 2009 13:38 Avidkeystamper wrote:
HiyA vs 2 protosses? GG
Not even the current bonjwa can stop Hiya's TVP~
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Ace actually has a good shot against CJ.
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Looks like the pro community strongly believes that "Battle Royal" is a zerg favorite map.
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On April 09 2009 13:39 Harem wrote:Not even the current bonjwa can stop Hiya's TVP~
Cause he plays Zerg, jk  though Bisu is the only dragon HiyA lost to. No one's a bonjwa though.
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
Battle Royale.. All ZvZs except for one ZvP. jeez
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United States11390 Posts
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Woongjin Stars vs Samsung KHAN on MBC
GGPlay<Battle Royale>Juni
GGPlay. I fucking believe in you.
ZerO<Heartbreak Ridge>Stork
Stork's vs Zerg is a bit messy but it gets the job done. He proved it with his OSL run. But the MSL quarterfinalist isnt a pushover. I say ZerO takes game 2.
free<Neo Medusa>great
I personally cant wait for Neo Medusa ;D we'll see how it goes. But free put together a rediculous win streak at the latter half of WL. (went like 12-5 or something)
MVP<Destination>firebathero
FBH is sucking royally. It hurts to watch. But i dont know who MVP is so ..FBH ftw
Free<God’s Garden>Jangbi
I dont know who else the Stars would send out besides their ace. Jangbi is playing on an upper A-S class level, so giving ace game to Jangbi
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WeMade FOX vs KTF MagicNs on OGN
RorO<Battle Royale>Tempest
Shine[kaL]<Heartbreak Ridge>fOrGG
Pure<Neo Medusa>Luxury
Mind<Destination>Flash
eSTRO vs STX SouL on MBC
hyvaa<God’s Garden>Notice
SangHo<Neo Medusa>Kal
Really<Heartbreak Ridge>July
UpMaGiC<Outsider>Calm
UpMagic<Battle Royale>Hwasin
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United States13896 Posts
Looks like Battle Royale is going to be the Raid Assault of Round 4.
Such is the danger of adding such concept maps. -_-
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Looking forward to this
Air Force ACE vs CJ Entus on OGN Reach < Neo Medusa>  OrionI've never seen Orion play, so I'll give Reach the benefit of the doubt. GO MANTOSS YellOw <God’s Garden> MuchWhy do i get the feeling LastRomantic will cream his pants when he see's this? Anyways..Yellow is out of shape. Advantage much. Anytime < Outsider> sAviOrHoly shit...HOLY SHIT.. SAVIOR VS SASHIN. OMG. Anytime has been showing some baller play. But then again so has Savior. A ro8 run is pretty impressive, but ill give it to Anytime. I just love that man Casy<Heartbreak Ridge>  sKyHighI love you Casy. I really do. But you're only good vs Zerg. Last time i checked..skyhigh isnt a zerg...>.<;;
MBCGame HERO vs SK Telecom T1 on MBCSea< Destination> fantasyFantasy beat the odds to get to the OSL semi's. Sea..has not been doing anything lately. Fantasy for a quick game 1. Light< Outsider> BisuAt a glance this may seem easy..but watch out. Light is on fire. (welll..has been on fire) He's been keeping MBC alive in the WL. But Bisu is bonjwa ;] so Bisu for game 2. Jaehoon<God’s Garden> CanataGod this is going to be a horrible game. But Canata lives in the house of terran GODS. With Boxer back, i hope canata picks his shit up and gets his game going HyuN< Battle Royale>
ThezergThis game will be awful. They're both gonna lose
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Baa?21243 Posts
Orion won PGL earlier this year, and does some really standard ZvP stuff. Meh. Reach has good shot of taking it.
And we just need to have faith in YellOw. He shall exact his revenge. Seriously, it's fucking YELLOW. How can you not support him? He was the savior of the Zerg race before Savior even played Starcraft TBH...
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I like how thezerg is just a zerg iocn. Was that intentional? Oh, nvm, it's just formatted weird.
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Pure is back..one of my favorite protoss. And I think Stars will beat khan, they got a nice match up set, Free vs some dead zerg and zero vs Stork.
I think MBC vs SKT1 should be good, itll be interesting to see if SEA is back in form, and If Light is till in beast mode, which hell need to be in order to take out Bisu again.
Reach vs Orion..will probably be a huge silly mess, Savior vs Anytime rematch.. Casy vs Skyhigh could be nice, both put on good TvTs at a high frequency.
Also look out for woonjin vs OZ. A free vs jd ace match is a possibility. But Piano vs JD could be good as well.
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I hope Bisu has something awesome planned for Outsider!
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I totally changed my team around to get notice on it lol
notice is replacing hwasin it seems
Pure seems like a really good pick at only 2 points, his only lineup competition ATM is rock
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boo no more team battle style proleague
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United States20661 Posts
Reach and YellOw pleaaase.
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Ahh crap, all my LB bets are based off of WL... Crap crap crap crap!
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Russian Federation1612 Posts
4 ZvZ on Battle Royal. They all are scared to show beautiful games? :-\
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i still dont get why they put battle royale in. it's ONLY going to be ZVZ. didnt they learn anything from raid assault 2?!!??!
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On April 09 2009 14:07 mog87 wrote:
Also look out for woonjin vs OZ. A free vs jd ace match is a possibility. But Piano vs JD could be good as well.
A free vs JD ace match would actually render all of my pants/underwear unusable. I remember the last time they met up, with free unleashing 3 base gas toss worth of reaver/archon..
Piano is good, but he still has some time before he becomes a major league player. I think he has potential, but not at JD level yet
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
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lol
GGPlay 49%-51% Juni
Wow, you would be screwed whiteout your statistic  . Now it all becomes clear.
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On April 09 2009 22:43 Velr wrote:lol GGPlay 49%-51% Juni Wow, you would be screwed whiteout your statistic . Now it all becomes clear.
lawl
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It would actually be interesting to do a statistical analysis on how accurate your odds formula is over a large number of games.
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The last time Anytime and savior Anytime crushed him so hard (just after his loss in MSL ro8)
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Damn it wheres for the first match Piano?!?!
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OZ has nobody solid in their lineup after Jaedong and Hiya... Always gotta play either of them in the first 2 matches.
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the ACE vs CJ lineup is sick...
YellOw,Reach,Anytime,sAviOr ftw
and its also great to see Pure back...
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Interesting look at the line-ups and MUs on various maps:
God's Garden:
3 ZvP
2 TvZ
3 PvT
No mirrors. God's Garden appears to be balanced by the first week lineups.
Neo Medusa:
3 PvZ
1 PvT
2 PvP
1 ZvZ
One game does not feature any Protoss, and that's a ZvZ. The only Terran that appears is Flash. It appears that the changes that took place were not great enough to benefit Terran, but we'll see in the long run.
Heartbreak Ridge:
4 TvZ
1 ZvP
2 TvT
One Protoss player in all the games (Stork) apparently this is a T and Z map.
Outsider:
3 PvT
3 TvZ
1 PvZ
1 TvT
A lot of Terrans, but still looks decently balanced as there will be 7 games featuring a P and/or a Z. This map may be the most balanced (it does have a nice distribution of races) and the Terran jump may be due to the "you must play one of each race" rule.
Battle Royale:
1 PvZ
4 ZvZ
Obviously Zerg favored. We'll see if any race can come up with some interesting build to put Zergs back in their place later in on in the season. However, as it stands, This will be Jaedong's paradise.
Destination:
1 PvT
3 TvT
1 PvP
Please make another map Kespa!
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You have to keep in mind the proleague rules though... I bet outsider and destination are more balanced than their stats allow, but because teams have to play a terran somewhere, they have to put them on the maps where they have the best shot, not necessarily the maps that intrinsically favor terran.
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On April 10 2009 01:44 talismania wrote:
You have to keep in mind the proleague rules though... I bet outsider and destination are more balanced than their stats allow, but because teams have to play a terran somewhere, they have to put them on the maps where they have the best shot, not necessarily the maps that intrinsically favor terran.
I remembered this when I began writing the article, but I forgot by the time I had finished it lol. I'll try and edit in something to that effect.
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
On April 09 2009 22:43 Velr wrote:lol GGPlay 49%-51% Juni Wow, you would be screwed whiteout your statistic . Now it all becomes clear.
Juni's going to rape GGPlay ez
yeah seriously, I didn't make this up or anything, it sometimes turns out like this
In this case, GGPlay's ZvZ is not top tier, Juni has very few losses and very few wins, so GGPlay's stats were more influential (GGPlay has been slumping recently)
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Why doesn't Wemade us Nada regularly? He hardly plays in PL.
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WeMade needs to send up Nada... after that epic jangbi fight, nada has proven himself better than roro or keke
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On April 09 2009 13:44 DreaM)XeRO wrote:Woongjin Stars vs Samsung KHAN on MBC GGPlay<Battle Royale>Juni GGPlay. I fucking believe in you. ZerO<Heartbreak Ridge>Stork Stork's vs Zerg is a bit messy but it gets the job done. He proved it with his OSL run. But the MSL quarterfinalist isnt a pushover. I say ZerO takes game 2. free<Neo Medusa>great I personally cant wait for Neo Medusa ;D we'll see how it goes. But free put together a rediculous win streak at the latter half of WL. (went like 12-5 or something) MVP<Destination>firebathero FBH is sucking royally. It hurts to watch. But i dont know who MVP is so ..FBH ftw Free<God’s Garden>Jangbi I dont know who else the Stars would send out besides their ace. Jangbi is playing on an upper A-S class level, so giving ace game to Jangbi
I dunno bro.. Why would they send Free against Jangbi/Stork, when they could send ZERO or even GGPlay. Unless there is some huge PvZ imba on the map, which I am not aware of. It really doesnt make sense for you to predict them to send out free vs 2 good toss, when they have 2 good zergs, one of which beat Bisu last time they played.
I mean otherwise, I agree, but Jangbi's PvZ is good, but he really hasnt beat any quality zergs, whereas I think a player of Zero's caliber is enough to beat Jangbi's PvZ.
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They went back to old format? and not winners league?
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
PianO vs Jaedong!
Battle Royal line-up is such a disappointment, at least Heartbreak Ridge doesn't disappoint.
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I love ACE all those baller oldschool players. Who doesn't want to see Reach, Anytime,
YellOw, Casy play?!?! seriously!
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On April 10 2009 06:44 Tekin wrote:
They went back to old format? and not winners league?
The season has 5 periods. 1, 2, 4, and 5 are Proleague format.
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On April 10 2009 04:08 JWD wrote:No BeSt for T1  I hope this just means they're saving him for the ace game on Medusa. PS ways to make yourself look dumb on TL: 1) blindly TLPD-ize your entire post 2) confuse "progamers" with "programmers". OK, let me break this one down. "Programmers" write computer code. "Progamers" play computer games professionally. Not that hard, people!!
i think he has medical issues, how can a player fell so hard in a very short time, i dont get it.
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Neo Medusa:
3 PvZ
1 PvT
2 PvP
1 ZvZ
One game does not feature any Protoss, and that's a ZvZ. The only Terran that appears is Flash. It appears that the changes that took place were not great enough to benefit Terran, but we'll see in the long run.
Battle Royale:
1 PvZ
4 ZvZ
Obviously Zerg favored. We'll see if any race can come up with some interesting build to put Zergs back in their place later in on in the season. However, as it stands, This will be Jaedong's paradise.
Lol, it seems that Medusa will stay a T graveyard as it used to be. I hope at least Flash will be able to overcome it imbalances.
But I don't really understand why Battle Royale would favour Zergs so much. Can someone explain that to me?
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Apparently it has a lot to do with the short air distance -- overlords can scout really fast, making it hard for protoss and terran to do interesting and unexpected builds and get away with it.
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Braavos36375 Posts
On April 10 2009 14:56 Lebesgue wrote:Show nested quote +
Neo Medusa:
3 PvZ
1 PvT
2 PvP
1 ZvZ
One game does not feature any Protoss, and that's a ZvZ. The only Terran that appears is Flash. It appears that the changes that took place were not great enough to benefit Terran, but we'll see in the long run.
Battle Royale:
1 PvZ
4 ZvZ
Obviously Zerg favored. We'll see if any race can come up with some interesting build to put Zergs back in their place later in on in the season. However, as it stands, This will be Jaedong's paradise.
Lol, it seems that Medusa will stay a T graveyard as it used to be. I hope at least Flash will be able to overcome it imbalances. But I don't really understand why Battle Royale would favour Zergs so much. Can someone explain that to me?
According to the Korean article about it, the short air distances make it really easy for Z to scout the T/P builds. Also, the natural really is susceptible to muta harass, theres no room behind minerals to defend.
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On April 10 2009 14:23 Hyperionnn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2009 04:08 JWD wrote:No BeSt for T1 I hope this just means they're saving him for the ace game on Medusa. PS ways to make yourself look dumb on TL: 1) blindly TLPD-ize your entire post 2) confuse "progamers" with "programmers". OK, let me break this one down. "Programmers" write computer code. "Progamers" play computer games professionally. Not that hard, people!! i think he has medical issues, how can a player fell so hard in a very short time, i dont get it.
An ultralisk sat on him >.>
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On April 10 2009 15:03 Kuja900 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2009 14:23 Hyperionnn wrote:On April 10 2009 04:08 JWD wrote:No BeSt for T1 I hope this just means they're saving him for the ace game on Medusa. PS ways to make yourself look dumb on TL: 1) blindly TLPD-ize your entire post 2) confuse "progamers" with "programmers". OK, let me break this one down. "Programmers" write computer code. "Progamers" play computer games professionally. Not that hard, people!! i think he has medical issues, how can a player fell so hard in a very short time, i dont get it. An ultralisk sat on him >.>
Something about having a disk in his neck.
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What's the formula if you don't mind sharing? I'm pretty interested in these things.
My roommate and I ended up with huge spreadsheets and an optimization program written in GAMS (http://www.gams.com/), something normally used for industrial process optimization or so I hear from my roommate (I normally use matlab/Aspen).
Would you mind sharing your projections for the upcoming week for Notice and firebathero? I'm having a difficult time deciding between the two.
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On April 11 2009 02:29 ccou wrote:What's the formula if you don't mind sharing? I'm pretty interested in these things. My roommate and I ended up with huge spreadsheets and an optimization program written in GAMS (http://www.gams.com/), something normally used for industrial process optimization or so I hear from my roommate (I normally use matlab/Aspen). Would you mind sharing your projections for the upcoming week for Notice and firebathero? I'm having a difficult time deciding between the two.
Check out his blogs:
here it is
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=80690
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Woot hopefully savior can come out of his ass ditch, a win against anytime would be great.
Some epic match ups.
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On April 11 2009 02:29 ccou wrote:What's the formula if you don't mind sharing? I'm pretty interested in these things. My roommate and I ended up with huge spreadsheets and an optimization program written in GAMS (http://www.gams.com/), something normally used for industrial process optimization or so I hear from my roommate (I normally use matlab/Aspen). Would you mind sharing your projections for the upcoming week for Notice and firebathero? I'm having a difficult time deciding between the two.
Pleeeeeeee formula share? or PM if you want thanks.
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On April 09 2009 13:44 DreaM)XeRO wrote:Woongjin Stars vs Samsung KHAN on MBC GGPlay<Battle Royale>Juni GGPlay. I fucking believe in you. ZerO<Heartbreak Ridge>Stork Stork's vs Zerg is a bit messy but it gets the job done. He proved it with his OSL run. But the MSL quarterfinalist isnt a pushover. I say ZerO takes game 2. free<Neo Medusa>great I personally cant wait for Neo Medusa ;D we'll see how it goes. But free put together a rediculous win streak at the latter half of WL. (went like 12-5 or something) MVP<Destination>firebathero FBH is sucking royally. It hurts to watch. But i dont know who MVP is so ..FBH ftw Free<God’s Garden>Jangbi I dont know who else the Stars would send out besides their ace. Jangbi is playing on an upper A-S class level, so giving ace game to Jangbi
there wouldn't be a 4th match anymore if the first 3 went the way you say lol
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