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StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
April 01 2009 21:27 GMT
#161
On April 02 2009 06:26 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2009 01:44 intotherainx wrote:
I called Luxury > Jangbi but there aren't the same circumstances in this match at all. Jaedong is just unstoppable and in my opinion atm CANNOT be beaten in a Bo5 by anybody. All his weaknesses seem to disappear as more time passes, and the games he drops are not only far and few between, but seem somewhat flukey.

edit: I would love it if Fantasy won, but atm I don't think he's developed his style or experienced enough to take on a true legend.

Umm... wasn't Luxury the clear favorite against JangBi?


nah there was no clear favourite there.
Jangbi reached his 3rd finals in a row on a very short time plus being very good at pvz.
luxury, good aggressive builds but probably lack alot in lategame mechanics vs jangbi.

I thought jangbi was going to win, but he played pretty badly.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
April 01 2009 23:14 GMT
#162
that hype video is great.

jaedong's face when he place is so vicious omgggg LJD <3
mrdx
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Vietnam1555 Posts
April 01 2009 23:21 GMT
#163
On April 01 2009 02:15 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
Prediction: Jaedong 3-(-1) Fantasy
[-1 just to make it look even more rape than 3-0]

But as we all know, upsets happen all the time and if JD didn't practice much and Fantasy practised his ass off (or rather: his hands) then Fantasy might as well win 3-1 or something.

So I don't like predicting, I'll just watch and hope for good games, worthy of a final.

Dude you just make a couple of predictions right there and saying you don't like predicting? xD

Anyway I think Fantasy won't be an easy pushover for Jaedong like people seem to think for the following reasons:

- He's good at preparing for BoX matches.
- He has much much more preparation time.
- He's a strategic player, while IMO one of Jeadong relative weaknesses is adaptability.

Bottom line is there's NO WAY this will be a 3-0 rape. Fantasy will definitely come up with some nice surprise strategies for the first 2 games.

Can't wait
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AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
April 01 2009 23:45 GMT
#164
Punish Fantasy for taking away our dream Bisu vs Jaedong finals!!
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
April 02 2009 00:25 GMT
#165
Jaedong is ANGRY. He is REALLY REALLY angry. Though you should never count fantasy out, Jaedong is VERY ANGRY.
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
April 02 2009 00:32 GMT
#166
time for another silver fantasy
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
EternaLEnVy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada513 Posts
April 02 2009 02:21 GMT
#167
On April 02 2009 08:21 mrdx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2009 02:15 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
Prediction: Jaedong 3-(-1) Fantasy
[-1 just to make it look even more rape than 3-0]

But as we all know, upsets happen all the time and if JD didn't practice much and Fantasy practised his ass off (or rather: his hands) then Fantasy might as well win 3-1 or something.

So I don't like predicting, I'll just watch and hope for good games, worthy of a final.

Dude you just make a couple of predictions right there and saying you don't like predicting? xD

Anyway I think Fantasy won't be an easy pushover for Jaedong like people seem to think for the following reasons:

- He's good at preparing for BoX matches.
- He has much much more preparation time.
- He's a strategic player, while IMO one of Jeadong relative weaknesses is adaptability.

Bottom line is there's NO WAY this will be a 3-0 rape. Fantasy will definitely come up with some nice surprise strategies for the first 2 games.

Can't wait


Ya, I 100% agree with you on jaedong being bad against crazy builds. I mean Jaedong vs stork game 2 on sin chupung ryeon. Man good job Stork, he knew Jaedong's weakness and cheesed him, that turned out very well for stork for sure.
Hell in my head
EternaLEnVy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada513 Posts
April 02 2009 02:22 GMT
#168
On April 02 2009 06:27 StylishVODs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2009 06:26 Shikyo wrote:
On April 02 2009 01:44 intotherainx wrote:
I called Luxury > Jangbi but there aren't the same circumstances in this match at all. Jaedong is just unstoppable and in my opinion atm CANNOT be beaten in a Bo5 by anybody. All his weaknesses seem to disappear as more time passes, and the games he drops are not only far and few between, but seem somewhat flukey.

edit: I would love it if Fantasy won, but atm I don't think he's developed his style or experienced enough to take on a true legend.

Umm... wasn't Luxury the clear favorite against JangBi?


nah there was no clear favourite there.
Jangbi reached his 3rd finals in a row on a very short time plus being very good at pvz.
luxury, good aggressive builds but probably lack alot in lategame mechanics vs jangbi.

I thought jangbi was going to win, but he played pretty badly.

Luxury was 83% in last 11 games against jangbi for ZvP. Jangbi on the other hand was failing epicly hard.
Hell in my head
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
April 02 2009 02:32 GMT
#169
I wish Jaedong would win another MSL and be called a Bonjwa "technically" (Bonjwa = 2MSL and 1 OSL iirc)
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
April 02 2009 03:16 GMT
#170
On April 02 2009 11:32 3 Lions wrote:
I wish Jaedong would win another MSL and be called a Bonjwa "technically" (Bonjwa = 2MSL and 1 OSL iirc)

3 MSL and 1 OSL.
POGGERS
animus123
Profile Joined January 2009
United States171 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-02 03:38:34
April 02 2009 03:37 GMT
#171
I wish i never had to hear people talk about Bonjwa's ever again. But i shall leave you with this. As long as there is a debate, there is no new bonjwa.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
April 02 2009 12:53 GMT
#172
On April 02 2009 12:37 animus123 wrote:
I wish i never had to hear people talk about Bonjwa's ever again. But i shall leave you with this. As long as there is a debate, there is no new bonjwa.

I'm just stating what is 'majorly accepted' to be the requirements. I too agree with you on this though, heh.
POGGERS
5tarscream
Profile Joined January 2009
Singapore459 Posts
April 02 2009 13:22 GMT
#173
On April 02 2009 08:21 mrdx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2009 02:15 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
Prediction: Jaedong 3-(-1) Fantasy
[-1 just to make it look even more rape than 3-0]

But as we all know, upsets happen all the time and if JD didn't practice much and Fantasy practised his ass off (or rather: his hands) then Fantasy might as well win 3-1 or something.

So I don't like predicting, I'll just watch and hope for good games, worthy of a final.

Dude you just make a couple of predictions right there and saying you don't like predicting? xD

Anyway I think Fantasy won't be an easy pushover for Jaedong like people seem to think for the following reasons:

- He's good at preparing for BoX matches.
- He has much much more preparation time.
- He's a strategic player, while IMO one of Jeadong relative weaknesses is adaptability.

Bottom line is there's NO WAY this will be a 3-0 rape. Fantasy will definitely come up with some nice surprise strategies for the first 2 games.

Can't wait



Fantasy need to change his tactic for against zerg. Building Valkyrie then go back to academy M&M isn't effective against zerg player with great macro skill.
Oov, Bisu, TheZerg, Canata Hwaiting~~
Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
April 02 2009 13:54 GMT
#174
JAWESOME HYPE VIDEO
Peaked at C- on ICCUP and proud of it! @Sunyveil
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-02 14:21:46
April 02 2009 14:14 GMT
#175
On April 02 2009 06:27 StylishVODs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2009 06:26 Shikyo wrote:
On April 02 2009 01:44 intotherainx wrote:
I called Luxury > Jangbi but there aren't the same circumstances in this match at all. Jaedong is just unstoppable and in my opinion atm CANNOT be beaten in a Bo5 by anybody. All his weaknesses seem to disappear as more time passes, and the games he drops are not only far and few between, but seem somewhat flukey.

edit: I would love it if Fantasy won, but atm I don't think he's developed his style or experienced enough to take on a true legend.

Umm... wasn't Luxury the clear favorite against JangBi?


nah there was no clear favourite there.
Jangbi reached his 3rd finals in a row on a very short time plus being very good at pvz.
luxury, good aggressive builds but probably lack alot in lategame mechanics vs jangbi.

I thought jangbi was going to win, but he played pretty badly.

"very good at PvZ" Please base this off something other than FakeSteve's PR, his PvZ is quite mediocre... I'd take Luxury's ZvP over JangBi's PvZ anytime, his series play is also superior. And I think that Luxury's lategame is just fine if he starts off with hydras, his lurkerling isn't that great.

On April 02 2009 11:22 EternaLEnVy wrote:
Luxury was 83% in last 11 games against jangbi for ZvP. Jangbi on the other hand was failing epicly hard.


And this. The map pool as well. How can anyone say Luxury wasn't the clear favorite? I don't understand at all.


However, in this MU Jaedong is an even greater favorite, and I have full confidence in him winning 3-0. Fantasy might be able to steal a game with some kind of a creative mech build that involves JD being unlucky with scouting and guessing the build, otherwise I don't see him winning. I also don't see Fantasy winning against Jaedong if the game goes into the lategame without Fantasy gaining some kind of a great advantage in the early game with some kind of a cheesy harrass.

On April 02 2009 08:21 mrdx wrote:
- He's a strategic player, while IMO one of Jeadong relative weaknesses is adaptability.


Consider that ZvZ is mostly about micro and adaptability and split-second decision-making.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
April 02 2009 14:34 GMT
#176
On April 02 2009 09:25 Warrior Madness wrote:
Jaedong is ANGRY. He is REALLY REALLY angry. Though you should never count fantasy out, Jaedong is VERY ANGRY.

yeah, I completely agree. He has some sort of warrior madness
Boxer: " Lee Jae Dong is the best player. He`s all about the micro; he`s the player which has the most amazing control"
scwizard
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1195 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-02 14:44:03
April 02 2009 14:42 GMT
#177
On April 02 2009 11:32 3 Lions wrote:
I wish Jaedong would win another MSL and be called a Bonjwa "technically" (Bonjwa = 2MSL and 1 OSL iirc)

People would still be chanting the bonjwa chant is Jaedong hadn't lost to Skyhigh.

Probably because one of the Korean commentators dropped the word.
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
April 02 2009 17:05 GMT
#178
Nice picture. I think Jaedong is going to take it 3-1 or 3-2. Fantasy is a great player, but Jaedong is just on fire right now. Putting aside his loss to Skyhigh for a moment, his overall record and his record against terran has been absolutely astonishing. Fantasy's record against zerg is a less impressive.
Sullifam
StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-02 17:20:25
April 02 2009 17:19 GMT
#179
I see Fantasy trying something cute first game and failing miserably. Jaedong will tear him a new one and proceed to win 3-0. Either that or Jaedong somehow drops first set like he always does and come back 3-1.

Jaedong has monster micro and contrary to what some have said, great adaptability. He will see Fantasy's 14cc and 3 hatch before pool, he will see Fantasy's 8rax and pull drones to kill the bunker.

I cannot imagine a scenario where Fantasy wins. His mech is well-known, so Jaedong has plenty of time to prepare. Jaedong is already beastly against mnm, so no surprise there. The only chance Fantasy has is if he goes 10fact or 3star or something, basically something so cheesy it's off the charts. He could pull off one game like that (most likely the first game).
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
April 02 2009 17:48 GMT
#180
On April 02 2009 23:34 Jaeden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2009 09:25 Warrior Madness wrote:
Jaedong is ANGRY. He is REALLY REALLY angry. Though you should never count fantasy out, Jaedong is VERY ANGRY.

yeah, I completely agree. He has some sort of warrior madness


See now you've done it. Now I have to whip out some marvel stuff.

Thor in Warrior madness state:

Defeated Beta Bill Ray (almost killed him)

Defeated Silver Surfer(almost killed him)

Defeated Both Adam Warlock with soul gem and Silver Surfer

Defeated Infinity Watch that include Drax with Power gem.

Tied with Thanos (but Thanos admitted that if Thor break from his Force field Thor will destroy Infinity Watch and Thanos.)

But Odin later defeated Thanos in one on one.

So I'd say. Jaedong is in warrior madness mode (almost--freaking smart but failure cheese).
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
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