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[OSL] Grand Final - Jaedong v Fantasy - Page 137

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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
April 05 2009 02:22 GMT
#2721
On April 05 2009 08:24 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2009 05:16 entrails wrote:
On April 05 2009 03:50 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On April 05 2009 03:42 x89titan wrote:
these strats are for winning, not for entertainment. late game woulda spelt disaster for jd cuz he had such few drones in some of the games. dnt see if he got more later on but thats what it showed. if fantasy defended jds attacks, there wouldve been no late game. i think fantasy just got too predictable and let jd adapt.

What's your point? All I said was that these games weren't as entertaining as they could be and lacked any epic lategame clashes. I never called any strategies bad because they weren't entertaining and it is because of Fantasy that none of the games went to lategame because of his builds which was tailored to damage Jaedong early.


I thought the games were very entertaining. I'd much rather see varied strategies, and fast paced action than 2 players sitting on their thumbs macroing for 15 minutes and deciding the game in one big battle. Your description of entertainment doesn't resonate with me at all.

How about variety? It was all micro all fast paced for all 5 games. Don't you want at least one game to be a macro TvZ?

I think Fantasy prepared specifically to kill Jaedong fast, and to also neutralize his mutalisks. I guess it would have been nice to see a big late game, but it's not often you get to see a TvZ series like this.
EscPlan9
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2777 Posts
April 05 2009 02:36 GMT
#2722
Man... I was so pumped for Fantasy after that first game. His defense (vs early hydra assault and then mutas), micro, and then bio-mech was very impressive. Then 3rd game on I was wondering what the hell happened!!
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
April 05 2009 02:46 GMT
#2723
I just watched Iris vs GGPlay and I gotta say... GGPlay used to be pretty damn scary. Wonder what happened...
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
April 05 2009 02:48 GMT
#2724
During this OSL run, Jaedong faced an elimination game six games. Holy cow :O talk about close.
Jaedong
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
April 05 2009 02:57 GMT
#2725
On April 05 2009 11:46 Shikyo wrote:
I just watched Iris vs GGPlay and I gotta say... GGPlay used to be pretty damn scary. Wonder what happened...



carpal tunnel i think
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-05 03:50:52
April 05 2009 03:26 GMT
#2726
Watch through all 5 games, it looked as though Jaedong was evolving. First 2 games Jaedong lost, it was him making big error that made his opponent look good. Once Jaedong started playing perfect, he shitted all over the OOV puppet. Game 3-5 was viciously brutal as Fantasy was not able to get any big offense going since Jaedong never gave him the chance.

Once I gained focus again, I realized I was losing 0-2 and became fully conscious.

Jaedong is the Matrix, the rule of the game bends to him.

Last OSL Fantasy said he would 3-0 his opponent and this OSL, he said he would 3-0 his opponent. LOL, at least win something before you can even said you will win with a perfect.
[X]Domain - I just do the website. Nothing more.
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9042 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-05 03:31:43
April 05 2009 03:31 GMT
#2727
Too much Zerg winning, change the maps!
eatmyshorts5
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1530 Posts
April 05 2009 03:34 GMT
#2728
Fantasy destroyed jaedong the first game. suprised jaedong was able to refocus and win.

gg
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-05 04:13:06
April 05 2009 04:12 GMT
#2729
On April 05 2009 12:31 Garnet wrote:
Too much Zerg winning, change the maps!

At least give us two seasons of good maps. Other races have had what, 5?
Jaedong
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
April 05 2009 04:36 GMT
#2730
On April 05 2009 13:12 Avidkeystamper wrote:
At least give us two seasons of good maps. Other races have had what, 5?


2000-2007 is filled with Zerg hate. 2001-2003 was the worst.

That's a lot of seasons @_@
TranslatorBaa!
latent
Profile Joined March 2009
United States428 Posts
April 05 2009 05:31 GMT
#2731
The last two games were almost as bad as Bisu's 5th against Jaedong.
Moo
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
April 05 2009 05:36 GMT
#2732
On April 05 2009 14:31 latent wrote:
The last two games were almost as bad as Bisu's 5th against Jaedong.

Game 4 was not as bad as Bisu's 5th against Jaedong.
Jaedong
DM20
Profile Joined September 2008
Canada544 Posts
April 05 2009 05:38 GMT
#2733
On April 05 2009 14:31 latent wrote:
The last two games were almost as bad as Bisu's 5th against Jaedong.


I guess you missed the whole proxy being found then reproxied, and the wraith vs muta cat n mouse game.

And then the drone + 2 ling micro to stop the vulture.

latent
Profile Joined March 2009
United States428 Posts
April 05 2009 05:43 GMT
#2734
On April 05 2009 14:38 DM20 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2009 14:31 latent wrote:
The last two games were almost as bad as Bisu's 5th against Jaedong.


I guess you missed the whole proxy being found then reproxied, and the wraith vs muta cat n mouse game.

And then the drone + 2 ling micro to stop the vulture.


The "reproxy", the wraith, and that vulture never had a chance to do anything in the world. The reproxy was too late, wraiths suck against mutalisks, and a single vulture wouldn't stop the mutas from coming out.
Moo
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
April 05 2009 05:46 GMT
#2735
On April 05 2009 14:43 latent wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2009 14:38 DM20 wrote:
On April 05 2009 14:31 latent wrote:
The last two games were almost as bad as Bisu's 5th against Jaedong.


I guess you missed the whole proxy being found then reproxied, and the wraith vs muta cat n mouse game.

And then the drone + 2 ling micro to stop the vulture.


The "reproxy", the wraith, and that vulture never had a chance to do anything in the world. The reproxy was too late, wraiths suck against mutalisks, and a single vulture wouldn't stop the mutas from coming out.

Did you even see Bisu vs JD Game 5? The two games aren't comparable, it would be if Fantasy let his wraiths all carelessly die to muta/scourge by leaving them idle.
Jaedong
latent
Profile Joined March 2009
United States428 Posts
April 05 2009 05:51 GMT
#2736
On April 05 2009 14:46 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2009 14:43 latent wrote:
On April 05 2009 14:38 DM20 wrote:
On April 05 2009 14:31 latent wrote:
The last two games were almost as bad as Bisu's 5th against Jaedong.


I guess you missed the whole proxy being found then reproxied, and the wraith vs muta cat n mouse game.

And then the drone + 2 ling micro to stop the vulture.


The "reproxy", the wraith, and that vulture never had a chance to do anything in the world. The reproxy was too late, wraiths suck against mutalisks, and a single vulture wouldn't stop the mutas from coming out.

Did you even see Bisu vs JD Game 5? The two games aren't comparable, it would be if Fantasy let his wraiths all carelessly die to muta/scourge by leaving them idle.


No I didn't see it. Gosh what happened? Did he "forget to hold position" as some people claimed?

I'm saying once Fantasy's proxy was discovered and he rashly went for 2 port wraith the match was almost completely decided, especially with Jaedong's well-known muta-micro brilliance. Once Fantasy went for a dropship, then valk and then armory, game 5 was decided. Not even Boxer-esque micro could have saved him from his decisions.
Moo
Rouel
Profile Joined March 2009
Sweden138 Posts
April 05 2009 06:01 GMT
#2737
Nothing can save you if your sole intent is to kill workers by tricking through temples, floating factories, dropshipplay, wraiths and plain old run-by's.
latent
Profile Joined March 2009
United States428 Posts
April 05 2009 06:03 GMT
#2738
On April 05 2009 15:01 Rouel wrote:
Nothing can save you if your sole intent is to kill workers by tricking through temples, floating factories, dropshipplay, wraiths and plain old run-by's.


Exactly!
Moo
Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-05 06:49:01
April 05 2009 06:48 GMT
#2739
stop crying anti-fans. That vulture was way before mutas so he could do some pretty good damage and delay the mutas. What's really extraordinary is how JD spotted, and took care of it xD
Boxer: " Lee Jae Dong is the best player. He`s all about the micro; he`s the player which has the most amazing control"
iloveHieu
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1919 Posts
April 05 2009 06:59 GMT
#2740
so close Fantasy, so close.. why did you have to eliminate Bisu then lost to Jeadong =(

great serios though, Jeadong definitely deserves the title!
Xellos <3
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