[OSL] Semifinal 2 by.hero vs. n.Die_Jaedong - Page 25

On March 28 2009 02:48 scwizard wrote:
you cant call jaedong a heavy favorite over bisu or flash
After http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/11567_Flash_vs_Jaedong
I would call him a favorite over flash.

After he beat Bisu when Bisu was where he was, and especially considering how Bisu has been losing lately, I'd call him an obvious favorite over Bisu.

On March 28 2009 02:52 koreasilver wrote:

One good game after getting trounced in the two previous games does not make him a favourite over a specific opponent. The two are still very toe-to-toe; neither of them are a favourite over the other.

On March 28 2009 02:59 scwizard wrote:

Correction, they WERE toe to toe. Since then Bisu has lost to Fantasy and HoeJJa and by.hero, while Jaedong is currently on a 10 game wining streak. Jaedong is on fire, and Bisu is not. If Bisu comes back and beats a bunch of S class players I'll revise this. But since losing the match to Jaedong Bisu hasn't beat any players in the top 28 ELO.

On March 28 2009 02:30 NicolBolas wrote:


There's a difference between "being a force" and "being dominant". Bisu is no longer the latter. He is a powerful mortal, but he is clearly mortal.

And when you lose an OSL semifinal 3-0, while playing like crap the whole time, yes, your "dominance" is gone. It's not like those were 3 close, nail-biting games; Stork showed better skill vs. Jangbi than Bisu vs. Fantasy.

On March 28 2009 02:59 scwizard wrote:

Correction, they WERE toe to toe. Since then Bisu has lost to Fantasy and HoeJJa and by.hero, while Jaedong is currently on a 10 game wining streak. Jaedong is on fire, and Bisu is not. If Bisu comes back and beats a bunch of S class players I'll revise this. But since losing the match to Jaedong Bisu hasn't beat any players in the top 28 ELO.

On March 28 2009 02:53 scwizard wrote:
Has anyone explained the specifics behind that thing he did on the ramp yet? I've never seen anyone come out so clearly on top in such a clear cut standoff position.

I mean I saw luxury force his way down ramps in MSL, but he had two more zerglings (instead of jaedong who had two less iirc) and he used a drone as well (he floated it into the zerglings to scatter them).

On March 28 2009 03:13 scwizard wrote:
This is why I'd argue Jaedong is probably bonjwa and definitely bonjwa if he all kills. It's who he's winning against. His games have been against the very cream of the crop, at the tail end of the season.

In comparison flash beat a bunch of people at least half a tier below him for the most part. He did beat Jaedong, but it was on Sin Chupung-Ryeong (TvZ: 18-10 64.3%) and before Jaedong ramped up his practice schedule to inhuman levels.

And then of course Jaedong beats flash, and on Rush Hour (TvZ: 42-24 63.6%) to.

On March 28 2009 03:38 oatboy wrote:
That was so one sided I actually felt somewhat awkward watching it. Also, did somebody slip some steroids into jaedongs cereal or something? Because this is dominance I havn't seen in a long time from anybody.

On March 28 2009 01:05 IdrA wrote:

i really wish they would make a news post about this
there is no such thing as a requirement for being bonjwa
it does not mean you won 3 msls and an osl
it does not mean you have a certain winrate
it means the dominant player at any given time. if you're raping everyone else in the ass you're the bonjwa. if you're not you arent. you cant call jaedong a heavy favorite over bisu or flash and hes not a sure win on anyone else in the top 10. hes really fucking good, probably the best right now, but there are other people who are also so good that you cant call him dominant.