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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-27 15:52:25
March 27 2009 15:51 GMT
#461
Well, nearly all the bonjwa's had weak match-ups... Boxer's TvP, iloveoov's TvT to an extent, Savior's ZvZ... I can't recall Nada having any specific weak MU, though.

EDIT: Jaedong's 63% weakest MU is definitely inside the requirements for bonjwa, he just needs to win like this for 6 months longer. Maybe get a couple more titles and so on.
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66160 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-27 16:05:16
March 27 2009 16:00 GMT
#462
Lol Jaedong 3-0 ez. Can't wait for the VODs

Also, this.
On March 27 2009 23:40 Jaksiel wrote:
I laugh at anyone who actually thought hero had any chance at all of taking this.
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Fr33t
Profile Joined June 2008
United States1128 Posts
March 27 2009 16:04 GMT
#463
On March 28 2009 00:47 JWD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2009 00:30 JohnBall wrote:
Jaedong is ZvZ bonjwa. No questions asked. He is the unstopable force that a bonjwa should be, however only for ZvZ. And since his other match ups are insanely good I'd say that, currently, Jaedong is a better candidate for overall Bonjwa then Bisu.

Bisu fanboys must be . his dominance is gone, and he barely got anything during his period. Jaedong, on the other hand, is starting to look unbeatable. If he get a couple OSL and a MSL, he would achieve what Bisu could not .


Bisu loses one game to HoeJJa and an OSL semifinal series, and now his "dominance is gone"? Bisu will still be a force next SC season.

I don't think you understand the meaning if the term Bonjwa...there can be no such thing as a "ZvZ bonjwa" because dominance over all three races is an inextricable component of the definition of "bonjwa".

lulz, getting beaten by HoeJJa, which is pretty much the reason SKT1 lost to KTF to be honest, and then getting 3-0'd not by flash or jaedong but by fantasy of all people is pretty big.
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
March 27 2009 16:05 GMT
#464
On March 28 2009 00:51 Shikyo wrote:
Well, nearly all the bonjwa's had weak match-ups... Boxer's TvP, iloveoov's TvT to an extent, Savior's ZvZ... I can't recall Nada having any specific weak MU, though.

EDIT: Jaedong's 63% weakest MU is definitely inside the requirements for bonjwa, he just needs to win like this for 6 months longer. Maybe get a couple more titles and so on.

i really wish they would make a news post about this
there is no such thing as a requirement for being bonjwa
it does not mean you won 3 msls and an osl
it does not mean you have a certain winrate
it means the dominant player at any given time. if you're raping everyone else in the ass you're the bonjwa. if you're not you arent. you cant call jaedong a heavy favorite over bisu or flash and hes not a sure win on anyone else in the top 10. hes really fucking good, probably the best right now, but there are other people who are also so good that you cant call him dominant.
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NiTenIchiRyu
Profile Joined February 2009
United Kingdom273 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-27 16:08:32
March 27 2009 16:06 GMT
#465
On March 28 2009 01:04 Fr33t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2009 00:47 JWD wrote:
On March 28 2009 00:30 JohnBall wrote:
Jaedong is ZvZ bonjwa. No questions asked. He is the unstopable force that a bonjwa should be, however only for ZvZ. And since his other match ups are insanely good I'd say that, currently, Jaedong is a better candidate for overall Bonjwa then Bisu.

Bisu fanboys must be . his dominance is gone, and he barely got anything during his period. Jaedong, on the other hand, is starting to look unbeatable. If he get a couple OSL and a MSL, he would achieve what Bisu could not .


Bisu loses one game to HoeJJa and an OSL semifinal series, and now his "dominance is gone"? Bisu will still be a force next SC season.

I don't think you understand the meaning if the term Bonjwa...there can be no such thing as a "ZvZ bonjwa" because dominance over all three races is an inextricable component of the definition of "bonjwa".

lulz, getting beaten by HoeJJa, which is pretty much the reason SKT1 lost to KTF to be honest, and then getting 3-0'd not by flash or jaedong but by fantasy of all people is pretty big.

+ that cursed game 5
+ losing to Savior and ZerO in the MSL group stage
+ his shitty performance in the ongoing OGN race tournament

I will go ahead and say that Bisu won't win anything next season as well. He missed his chance.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
March 27 2009 16:06 GMT
#466
well, thats the best thing about JD, his longest slump lasted 2 weeks or so, he is so consistent.
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66160 Posts
March 27 2009 16:07 GMT
#467
You can only feel bonjwa. You can't really define bonjwa other than calling him 'the guy who fucks up map balance towards his favor and makes a comeback from impossible games infinite times'
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Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
March 27 2009 16:28 GMT
#468
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sh02hp0869
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden460 Posts
March 27 2009 16:33 GMT
#469
Dont feel sorry for Hero he has played extremly well up to the finals and who can blame him being nervous v JD. He will someday win at least one major title.
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
March 27 2009 16:33 GMT
#470
On March 28 2009 01:06 disciple wrote:
well, thats the best thing about JD, his longest slump lasted 2 weeks or so, he is so consistent.

His slumps are extremely depressing to watch though. They always happened against Terran players too. The short span of ZvTs before the semifinals against Hwasin in the MSL were so frustrating.
skindzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
Chile5114 Posts
March 27 2009 16:35 GMT
#471
On March 28 2009 00:51 Shikyo wrote:
Well, nearly all the bonjwa's had weak match-ups... Boxer's TvP, iloveoov's TvT to an extent, Savior's ZvZ... I can't recall Nada having any specific weak MU, though.

EDIT: Jaedong's 63% weakest MU is definitely inside the requirements for bonjwa, he just needs to win like this for 6 months longer. Maybe get a couple more titles and so on.


Besides Jaedong Savior had the best ZvZ.
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freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
March 27 2009 16:35 GMT
#472
On March 28 2009 01:28 Sunyveil wrote:
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NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7222 Posts
March 27 2009 16:42 GMT
#473
Damn 3-0. Jaedong broke Oov's ELO peak vs. zerg.
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QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
March 27 2009 16:42 GMT
#474
Bonjwa, as a result, is a terrible prerequisite for 'best player'. It requires us to have only one of Jaedong, Flash, or Bisu out there, and that kind of scenario might not happen again. With the average skill level higher than ever, and the sheer amount of games played (just look at Jaedong's schedule right now - KTF all kill in the playoffs, OSL semis, WL finals the next day, soon OSL finals), it isn't all that strange to consider there may not be another bonjwa in the sense there used to be. That doesn't mean that the players are not as good, it just means that there is more competition.

Besides, if we agree that Jaedong (or Flash, or Bisu) is the best player out there, what does it matter if he's a bonjwa or not?

On March 28 2009 01:07 konadora wrote:
You can only feel bonjwa. You can't really define bonjwa other than calling him 'the guy who fucks up map balance towards his favor and makes a comeback from impossible games infinite times'


That doesn't seem like a good definition, especially considering Jaedong and Flash and their performance on maps like Katrina. Both fit that perfectly.



More on topic, I too find it hard to believe anyone seriously thought by.hero had a chance in this series (no offense Plexa).
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Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
March 27 2009 17:03 GMT
#475
On March 28 2009 01:05 IdrA wrote:you cant call jaedong a heavy favorite over bisu or flash and hes not a sure win on anyone else in the top 10.


I understand the greater point, but I would call JD a sure win in any ZvZ (assuming we're talking about a series).
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EGMachine
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States1643 Posts
March 27 2009 17:25 GMT
#476
JAEDONG FIGHTING!
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NicolBolas
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1388 Posts
March 27 2009 17:30 GMT
#477
Bisu loses one game to HoeJJa and an OSL semifinal series, and now his "dominance is gone"? Bisu will still be a force next SC season.


There's a difference between "being a force" and "being dominant". Bisu is no longer the latter. He is a powerful mortal, but he is clearly mortal.

And when you lose an OSL semifinal 3-0, while playing like crap the whole time, yes, your "dominance" is gone. It's not like those were 3 close, nail-biting games; Stork showed better skill vs. Jangbi than Bisu vs. Fantasy.
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scwizard
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1195 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-27 17:42:04
March 27 2009 17:41 GMT
#478
If Jaedong all kills, he will be the new bonjwa. I mean a 14 game wining streak is pretty hard to deny.

All you people wouldn't be talking so much about bonjwaness if the potential wasn't there.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
March 27 2009 17:42 GMT
#479
80% ZvZ ratio. I never thought I'd see this over this many games in professional Starcraft. Even holding onto 65% or 70% with this many games would be amazing. But to get to 80%, on 3-4 player maps no less...

Well, he's broken my mind and the rule of more luck in ZvZ. If the rule doesn't apply to him it no longer makes it a rule. This is among the most amazing things ever to be seen in progaming.
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NicolBolas
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1388 Posts
March 27 2009 17:46 GMT
#480
On March 27 2009 19:40 lolaloc wrote:
I bet CJ are huddling right now and talking about several ways to snipe JD


Do you honestly think that CJ Entus's team has discussed anything else? Sniping Jaedong is their only winning strategy, especially since he's up first.
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