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Bifur
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Russian Federation1208 Posts
March 26 2009 20:14 GMT
#101
Oz has no chance. They lost Anytime, they lost forGG. Who do they have? Only Jaedong. Yes, they have such players as Lomo and BackHo, but Savior will eat them both.

The only thing CJ needs is to snipe Jaedong. When this happens, Oz will be destroyed by CJ monsters.
Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
March 26 2009 20:18 GMT
#102
Jaedong>luxury+zero+effort(team melee)
Boxer: " Lee Jae Dong is the best player. He`s all about the micro; he`s the player which has the most amazing control"
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
March 26 2009 20:19 GMT
#103
On March 27 2009 03:42 ShmotZ wrote:
idk i got a really good feeling about effort today

My prediction Effort > Jaedong

and heres hoping to another kwanroll



CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
sh02hp0869
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden460 Posts
March 26 2009 20:20 GMT
#104
So much pressure on JD dont like that he is playing first with the second map being so difficault for zvt but who knows.
Hello mother hello father
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
March 26 2009 20:23 GMT
#105
I'm worried about the first 2 games. If JD has the momentum i think he will allkill. Sadly, he might lose to effort or die to a clever cheese on Chupung. The only player CJ can send to play Jaedong straight up is Effort, and he doesnt have more chanse than 30-40% either. But thats a lot... Iris would be the second one i guess. IMO, all the others need some clever cheese/allin/mapabuse to take him down. Altough CJ has proven that they are very inteligent, so an allkill is not that likely, unforunately
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
iloveHieu
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1919 Posts
March 26 2009 20:27 GMT
#106
CJ got this come onnnn
Xellos <3
Nylan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States795 Posts
March 26 2009 20:29 GMT
#107
On March 27 2009 05:13 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2009 05:04 Nylan wrote:
The balance of this match rests with by.hero


Actually, this could hold true. How Jaedong fares in WL Finals might have something to do with how he does the night before in the OSL Semis. If he sweeps 3-0, he'll have good momentum going into the WL Finals. On the other hand, if he loses the BO5 in his best MU, then he might easily get discouraged.

On paper, Jaedong has the skill to all kill. But psychologically speaking, there's more to it than what comes on paper. Nerves, momentum, hype, and other factors play into a game like this.


Yes exactly Makes tonight even more epic.
BeSt/Pure/Canata/Calm - I believe in Doh Jae Wook
Sunburn
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada70 Posts
March 26 2009 20:38 GMT
#108
A JD snipe isn't that unlikely.

Who almost beat JD in the KTF/Oz match? Not Flash the machine, not Lux the champ, not ForGG the...umm...the team switcher..I dunno...anyways, it was HoeJJa the...2 JJ's in a name guy. CJ players are better than HoeJJa...rest writes itself.

It can go both ways obviously. Who would predict a 3-0 loss by Bisu to Fantasy?
3nickma
Profile Joined November 2007
Denmark1510 Posts
March 26 2009 20:39 GMT
#109
Sorry for asking again but could anyone give a rough calculation of Jaedong's Elo peak if he 3-0s by.hero and then 4-0s a likely CJ lineup? Would like to dream he could take Bisu's Elo peak
L E E J A E D O N G ! <3
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-26 20:46:29
March 26 2009 20:42 GMT
#110
Either Jaedong all-kill or CJ has this for sure.
I think a snipe in game 2 by Iris or skyHigh is very likely.
"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
March 26 2009 20:57 GMT
#111
On March 27 2009 05:39 3nickma wrote:
Sorry for asking again but could anyone give a rough calculation of Jaedong's Elo peak if he 3-0s by.hero and then 4-0s a likely CJ lineup? Would like to dream he could take Bisu's Elo peak

You'd probably be looking at a number in the high 2340's but he wouldn't eclipse Bisu's peak.
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Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
March 26 2009 21:02 GMT
#112
If he does that and then wins the OSL finals, I'm sure he would go over Bisu's peak, though.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
March 26 2009 21:06 GMT
#113
On March 27 2009 02:09 p4NDemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2009 00:46 StylishVODs wrote:
On March 26 2009 23:07 Ozarugold wrote:
There is no way Jaedong can get another all kill. Or can he? There is no way that any player can be that good. What would it be if he all killed CJ...four all kills? Yeah, there's no way...but maybe...maybe...

I'm so torn...

If he can kill luxury flash forgg and hoejja he can do the same to CJ.
CJ doesn't have even close to as good zergsnipers as KTF has, but they can snipe him with cheese.

ForGG and Flash are imo better vs zerg than SkyHigh and Iris.
Luxury has better zvz than savior.
hoejja and effort might be close in zvz skills i dont know about that..

its kinda lol that Oz only can rely on jaedong and hiya pretty much..

How are HoeJJa and EffOrt possibly "close in ZvZ skills," when EffOrt is 10-5 and HoeJJa has never won a televised ZvZ? From this post it's like you think HoeJJa is actually better than EffOrt, and you aren't sure if EffOrt is close to his skill level.

EffOrt is much, much closer to Luxury's ZvZ skill level than HoeJJa, though he isn't quite there yet.

(Z)Luxury > (Z)EffOrt in ZvZ, but it's close.
(Z)sAviOr >>>> (Z)HoeJJa not even close.


I said i didn't know about that.
And no, i don't think hoejja is better than effort.
However, Hoejja looked strong vs Jaedong and effort has been abit shaky his last zvz games.

Imo you can't yet compare effort to luxury in terms of zvz skill, he has played too few games for that.

My point is that its very possible that he can perform an all-kill since imo KTFs lineup is stronger than CJs.



According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-26 21:07:20
March 26 2009 21:06 GMT
#114
On March 27 2009 06:02 Zozma wrote:
If he does that and then wins the OSL finals, I'm sure he would go over Bisu's peak, though.

That would depend on if he wins the first 1 or 2 games or not.
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Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
March 26 2009 21:10 GMT
#115
I'm not a huge fan of teams(except ace), I'm more of a fan of players.

Gogo Iris & Much fighting!!! I think both of them could be a big part in a CJ win. Both have had moderate success in WL, and Much especially has had a resurgence. I love Iris's style, he is a very interesting and aggressive terran so I hope he gets a couple games worth of playtime.
[SECRET FONT] "Dragoon bunker"
JIJIyO
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1957 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-26 21:20:50
March 26 2009 21:19 GMT
#116
Going to be tough for CJ because JD's such a beast. Hopefully they can snipe him before he gets too many kills, or (Z)EffOrt pulls it off (Sorry JD. I want you to hit 80% zvz again, but not at the expense of CJ losing). CJ has sooooooo many players. Let's hope they do well.

(Z)sAviOr, (Z)EffOrt, (Z)Kwanro, (P)Much (sort of inactive), (P)Movie, (T)Iris, (T)sKyHigh are the main seven going for CJ. And if they feel like gambling they also have (P)Nbs and (T)Memory XD
KT_Violet
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
March 26 2009 21:29 GMT
#117
KTF's lineup is "stronger" than CJs? I don't know about that. Sure, they don't have anyone who measures up to Flash or Luxury, but they have so many people who are almost that good, it turns into Winner's League strength. We've seen CJ go around abusing the maps like crazy and having their players focus totally on sniping one dude, so that whoever's left can clean up the rest.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-26 21:36:25
March 26 2009 21:31 GMT
#118
I'd put my money on SkyHigh, Iris, and Savior on those maps more than fOrGG, Luxury, and Flash for Jaedong-snipers.


Ofcourse you would, since they've already lost.
But can you seriously have said this before KTF vs Oz?

Flash - Best TvZ terran - coming from like 10 straight TvZ wins
Luxury - Best ZvZ under jaedong
ForGG - 3-0 Jaedong in a finals and is on a 19-4 rampage tvz, jaedong has never beat him on stage..
-------------
Skyhigh - won a game vs jaedong with a cute cheesebuild that will work 1 time, got raped the other times, but still a good threat.
Iris - Good TvZ sure, but he has never won vs jaedong, only 3 losses.
Savior - Zvz has always been his worst matchup

Sure, you can compare them, but if you had to bet money? seriously? :D
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
March 26 2009 21:35 GMT
#119
GO JAEDONG! I just think it would be funny if nobody on the Oz roster got to play in the play-offs except JD, that would be an awkward victory party.
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
March 26 2009 21:37 GMT
#120
On March 27 2009 06:35 n.DieJokes wrote:
GO JAEDONG! I just think it would be funny if nobody on the Oz roster got to play in the play-offs except JD, that would be an awkward victory party.


ye lol, they'll be jaedongs bitches.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
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