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[WL] FINALS: CJ vs OZ - Page 122

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emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
March 28 2009 11:41 GMT
#2421
On March 28 2009 20:38 emucxg wrote:
could somebody tell me the result of last match?? plz...

pimp...
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
March 28 2009 11:41 GMT
#2422
On March 28 2009 20:31 Disarray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2009 20:29 Ichigo1234551 wrote:
CJ deserved the win. They are a team!!!!!!!


I love how everyone says lecaf isn't a team, because only Jaedong won, but if you remember.. only 1 player from CJ got their wins, so how are they anymore of a "team" than Oz ?

This was so abundantly clear that this was a pure bad-impulse coaching decision going into the 4th game. No way JD would have taken upon himself to 5pool in the 'deciding' game like that.

no man. if someone on CJ was playing someone on Oz that isn't jaedong then CJ would be the clear favorite, since after all, Oz is a one man team. don't you get it?
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
March 28 2009 11:42 GMT
#2423
On March 28 2009 20:33 Orbifold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2009 20:31 Disarray wrote:
On March 28 2009 20:29 Ichigo1234551 wrote:
CJ deserved the win. They are a team!!!!!!!


I love how everyone says lecaf isn't a team, because only Jaedong won, but if you remember.. only 1 player from CJ got their wins, so how are they anymore of a "team" than Oz ?

This was so abundantly clear that this was a pure bad-impulse coaching decision going into the 4th game. No way JD would have taken upon himself to 5pool in the 'deciding' game like that.


I don't think the 5 pool was a bad idea, it could have worked... and even if it didn't they were +3. It was really unlikely for Skyhigh to all kill.


Yeah it was a bad idea.
It could have worked is not enough.
Maybe enough if they were depending on someone like ToSky, but with jaedong on GODMODE, you should not take chances like that, even when in a 3-0 lead.

Bad coatching, even if it would work.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
anTi_
Profile Joined October 2008
United States499 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-28 11:43:06
March 28 2009 11:42 GMT
#2424
I quoted myself like a noob instead of editing.
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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
March 28 2009 11:42 GMT
#2425
On March 28 2009 20:40 sAw wrote:
I am so proud of CJ and skyhigh. Amazing series... Great job kid, we knew you could do it, we believed. I became a better person by witnessing this epic epic reverse all kill. Everybody knew skyhigh had something special - remember starleague offline prelims from some time ago? He used to 2-0 everyone and then choked in group stages - guess he was too young back then... And look at him now! He proved his imbaness by reaching GOM TV season 2 finals (on terrible P favoring maps), and now this... Took out JD, won two TvPs on two protoss favored maps AND won a TvT with 0-0 upgrades against 2-0... How crazy is that lol!!??

Congrats CJ, and thank you for my Liquibet skyhigh!

Also, props to JD, he looked unstoppable, but hey... you can't win them all, can you. Hope you guys enjoyed this as much as I did! My voice is completely destroyed ... I screamed my heart out, acted like a fucking mad person. This was maybe the most epic moment in my 7 years of spectating and following progaming. Cheers


holy crap hiya was 2-0 upgraddes??? O_O
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
March 28 2009 11:42 GMT
#2426
On March 28 2009 20:40 sAw wrote:
Congrats CJ, and thank you for my Liquibet skyhigh!

What liquibet?
Woo Jung Ho
lucky888gunz
Profile Joined February 2009
United States9 Posts
March 28 2009 11:42 GMT
#2427
for all the people saying jaedong shoudl go to skt or ktf.. that would make less bisu vs jaedong and flash vs jaedong games to watch!
Spray and Pray
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
March 28 2009 11:42 GMT
#2428
Well Jaedong and CJ winning and OZ losing was the best possible outcome for me :D . I just hope that OZ and Jaedong don't start declining after this tough loss . This whole WL playoffs was on fire and pretty enjoyable .
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43465 Posts
March 28 2009 11:43 GMT
#2429
On March 28 2009 20:39 disciple wrote:
Records are not everything, JangBi has a terrible overall winning percentage in PvP but he will slam everyone except bisu

I worked it out for the MSL semifinals. JangBi's PvP % if you dismiss all games against Bisu is 83% since last summer. His problem is he keeps getting so far in leagues that he comes up against top players in bo5s. If he was slightly more mediocre then he'd avoid so many 0-3s.
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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
March 28 2009 11:43 GMT
#2430
On March 28 2009 20:42 iLoveKTF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2009 20:40 sAw wrote:
Congrats CJ, and thank you for my Liquibet skyhigh!

What liquibet?


I CANT BELIEVE THERE WAS NO LB FOR THIS WTF
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
March 28 2009 11:43 GMT
#2431
Wow I still cant believe it.

Im so happy !
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3nickma
Profile Joined November 2007
Denmark1510 Posts
March 28 2009 11:43 GMT
#2432
CJ 0-3 Jaedong
CJ 4-3 Hwaseung Oz

Damn

Still think it was coach's decision to 5-pool (dumb idea) but Jaedong should still be plenty happy with CEMENTING his ZvZ And now it's just 50 games a day to 3-0 Fantasy
L E E J A E D O N G ! <3
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 28 2009 11:44 GMT
#2433
Guys stop blaming the coach until you know for sure.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
March 28 2009 11:44 GMT
#2434
On March 28 2009 20:41 anTi_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2009 20:38 usopsama wrote:
On March 28 2009 20:36 anTi_ wrote:
On March 28 2009 20:35 BlackMagister wrote:
Wow never would have expected SkyHigh to all kill.

Spear and Hiya did horribly in their matches. Spear failure was hard to watch, he was just flailing around to the mines. For Hiya his attack on the natural was just pointless. He could have just concentrated on sealing his advantage but threw it away.


Hiya did not play horribly, you take that shit back right now. Spear however fell into skyhighs traps and had really bad control.

Hiya has terrible TvT. Check his records. In any case, Skyhigh's play was superior to Hiya's in that game.


So does hwasin, so do many other players. Players have weak matchups, I'm talking about the game I saw, he played great Skyhighs multitasking with dships and map control was just a bit better.

Hiya was in the lead for most of the game, the dropship play and when he shut down his 3rd, and consequently his 4th it really crushed hiya, along with taking out that 2nd gas earlier


Yes and imo Hiya should not have lost when he had the lead. Hiya is statistically bad, but he is a good player and the second best player on Oz. So he should have won that match after gaining the lead just by playing a good TvT match.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
March 28 2009 11:45 GMT
#2435
On March 28 2009 20:36 anTi_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2009 20:35 BlackMagister wrote:
Wow never would have expected SkyHigh to all kill.

Spear and Hiya did horribly in their matches. Spear failure was hard to watch, he was just flailing around to the mines. For Hiya his attack on the natural was just pointless. He could have just concentrated on sealing his advantage but threw it away.


Hiya did not play horribly, you take that shit back right now. Spear however fell into skyhighs traps and had really bad control.


Hiya played well, but not sealing an advantage is bad play.
That mistake overshined the rest of his game imo, it was so clear.

If you're ahead economically AND unitwise do NOT go for the ending blow.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
snowbird
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Germany2044 Posts
March 28 2009 11:46 GMT
#2436
absolutely great finals
everything that as to be said has been said already

i'm just here to commemorate this epic moment
@riotsnowbird
sAw
Profile Joined November 2008
965 Posts
March 28 2009 11:46 GMT
#2437
On March 28 2009 20:42 iLoveKTF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2009 20:40 sAw wrote:
Congrats CJ, and thank you for my Liquibet skyhigh!

What liquibet?


LOL I just realized there was no bet on this match!?!? WTF!? -.-
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
March 28 2009 11:48 GMT
#2438
On March 28 2009 20:41 Kentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2009 20:31 Disarray wrote:
On March 28 2009 20:29 Ichigo1234551 wrote:
CJ deserved the win. They are a team!!!!!!!


I love how everyone says lecaf isn't a team, because only Jaedong won, but if you remember.. only 1 player from CJ got their wins, so how are they anymore of a "team" than Oz ?

This was so abundantly clear that this was a pure bad-impulse coaching decision going into the 4th game. No way JD would have taken upon himself to 5pool in the 'deciding' game like that.

no man. if someone on CJ was playing someone on Oz that isn't jaedong then CJ would be the clear favorite, since after all, Oz is a one man team. don't you get it?


They are not a 1 man team if Hiya didn't perform as well in the season they wouldn't be here in the first place ... I agree thought that as a team CJ is better then anyone .
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
March 28 2009 11:48 GMT
#2439
Skyhigh has been my favorite CJ player ever since his breakthrough. Never had any doubt he would become something great ever since his debut a year and a half ago after 6-0ing both the OSL and MSL prelims. Yes, many people were doubting him, and he took his time until his nerves got settled, but since the PL season started this fall it's only gone one way, so now it's time for him to do deliver rape in the individuals. This has to be an enormous confidence-booster to him at least.

As for my predictions

On March 28 2009 16:28 Guybrush wrote:
Predictions:
JD>Effort
JD>Iris
JD>Savior
JD>SkyHigh


Well, wasnt expecting JD to 5pool, but it's not an excuse. Skyhigh might have won a straight up match too, we'll never know. Im happy about predicting correctly who they'd send out on each map though . Oz really missed another ace player like Anytime in this match; a baller who is clutch. Hands down to Jaedong for playing insane starcraft lately.

Congrats to Coach Cho, CJ and Skyhigh on being the first WL champions!
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
Orbifold
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1922 Posts
March 28 2009 11:49 GMT
#2440
On March 28 2009 20:46 sAw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2009 20:42 iLoveKTF wrote:
On March 28 2009 20:40 sAw wrote:
Congrats CJ, and thank you for my Liquibet skyhigh!

What liquibet?


LOL I just realized there was no bet on this match!?!? WTF!? -.-


Oh sweet, cause I totally would have voted for Oz. Whew.
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