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lxginverse
Profile Joined May 2008
Monaco1506 Posts
March 22 2009 06:38 GMT
#1541
On March 22 2009 15:37 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2009 15:36 lxginverse wrote:
On March 22 2009 15:34 Fr33t wrote:
KTF...who? lol at sending two zergs vs jaedong


at least sending Luxury makes sense...

Yeah, he's now on a six game losing streak vs JD.


no, i mean Lux is the only zerg out there that has a chance against JD
fromis_9 enjoyer
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
March 22 2009 06:38 GMT
#1542
It's funny that one of the last things that Luxury said after his MSL championship was that he will practice harder to surpass Jaedong and become the #1 Zerg in the world.

lawl~ fail. -_-;
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
March 22 2009 06:38 GMT
#1543
On March 22 2009 15:37 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2009 15:36 lxginverse wrote:
On March 22 2009 15:34 Fr33t wrote:
KTF...who? lol at sending two zergs vs jaedong


at least sending Luxury makes sense...

Yeah, he's now on a six game losing streak vs JD.

Dating back to more than 1 year ago... kind of sad lol.
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Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States8072 Posts
March 22 2009 06:38 GMT
#1544
Oh hai I'm a Goliath
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
March 22 2009 06:39 GMT
#1545
On March 22 2009 15:37 latent wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2009 15:34 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On March 22 2009 15:32 latent wrote:
If he had noticed 11 and dropshipped onto it I don't think Jaedong would've survived.

He had a nydus canal there, and a creep colony (might've morphed into a sunken later).

It takes time for a player to react to a drop by sending units through a nydus. They need to gather both lings and a defiler, and use consume if it doesn't have the energy. There are tons and tons of games where terrans successfully drop a bunch of marines onto a nydus containing zerg expo. Even if they don't kill the hatchery as long as they kill the drones that's good enough for the time being.


he had overlord control on dropship path, wouldnt have worked.
and yes flash knew about it, however not about 9 oclock until too late.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
March 22 2009 06:39 GMT
#1546
On March 22 2009 15:37 latent wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2009 15:34 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On March 22 2009 15:32 latent wrote:
If he had noticed 11 and dropshipped onto it I don't think Jaedong would've survived.

He had a nydus canal there, and a creep colony (might've morphed into a sunken later).

It takes time for a player to react to a drop by sending units through a nydus. They need to gather both lings and a defiler, and use consume if it doesn't have the energy. There are tons and tons of games where terrans successfully drop a bunch of marines onto a nydus containing zerg expo. Even if they don't kill the hatchery as long as they kill the drones that's good enough for the time being.

That's speculation, we don't know for sure the drop would've killed off anything too major considering JD's reaction times,
"I don't think Jaedong would've survived" It all depends on how well you think he could defend it. I think a nydus+a sunken would be sufficient.
Jaedong
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
March 22 2009 06:39 GMT
#1547
Hydralurk vs SK Terran is the greatest thing in all of Starcraft.
Moderator。◕‿◕。
maareek
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2042 Posts
March 22 2009 06:39 GMT
#1548
On March 22 2009 15:36 konadora wrote:
Edit: didn't have to call me a nitpick =/


That's a misunderstanding. I was saying that my post was a nitpick.

The insult is "nitwit," and means something completely different. I wasn't attempting to flame you, just to point out that your statement, while correct, was a little off because JD was already #1 ELO.
FrozenArbiter: Obless PvT master
latent
Profile Joined March 2009
United States428 Posts
March 22 2009 06:39 GMT
#1549
On March 22 2009 15:37 EvoChamber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2009 15:34 latent wrote:
On March 22 2009 15:32 EvoChamber wrote:
On March 22 2009 15:31 latent wrote:
On March 22 2009 15:30 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On March 22 2009 15:28 latent wrote:
Is it just me or did Flash never notice JD had a base at 11? Isn't that what kept JD in the game after Flash took out his base at 9?

I thought you had some slivers of truth in your posts in the other threads and thought people were cruel when they said you were wrong. But, this time, you are irrefutably wrong.

Do you see the question marks? Does a question come across to you as a statement or proclamation? Do you even know what a question mark is?


You're a pretty blatant moron, latent.

And you're a disingenuous twit who can't come up with a single intelligent remark. Do you see me insulting you every time something stupid comes out of your mouth?


No, because I don't mouth off and make uninformed comments in every LR thread. You've never even considered the possibility that you're wrong, and when people try to set you straight you respond with more ignorance. You have no intelligence. You fail at everything you do here.


Claiming that I'm always wrong is itself uninformed. No one tries to 'set me straight'. A few inept fools say 'you're an idiot' or 'you're stupid' without actually arguing my points, while people who agree stay out of the argument entirely.
Moo
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
March 22 2009 06:40 GMT
#1550
I sense the banhammer incoming.
日本語が分かりますか
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
March 22 2009 06:40 GMT
#1551
Latent reminds me of me in the STX vs Lecaf thread during R1.
Jaedong
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
March 22 2009 06:40 GMT
#1552
On March 22 2009 15:40 NovaTheFeared wrote:
I sense the banhammer incoming.

Bah, you ninja'd my post.
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nK)Duke
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany936 Posts
March 22 2009 06:41 GMT
#1553
On March 22 2009 15:39 Harem wrote:
Hydralurk vs SK Terran is the greatest thing in all of Starcraft.


hydralurkensnare vs skterran is the greatest thing in sc
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States8072 Posts
March 22 2009 06:42 GMT
#1554
Honestly, big props to Hoejja. Really seemed like the only guy who really played his heart out in his game for KTF. ForGG was serious crap and didn't even look to be trying, Lux just seemed like "I won MSL finals guys!" autopilot ZvZ until half way through the game and was like "oh crap, that's right im facing JD in a ZVZ!" and Flash, of course played great, but part of me feels like he expected to just ride RH3 imba to victory and didn't start trying until JD had defilers out.

Hopefully we can see more Hoejja in the future
WindCalibur
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Canada938 Posts
March 22 2009 06:43 GMT
#1555
On March 22 2009 15:41 nK)Duke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2009 15:39 Harem wrote:
Hydralurk vs SK Terran is the greatest thing in all of Starcraft.


hydralurkensnare vs skterran is the greatest thing in sc

hydralurkensnareplague vs skterran is the greatest thing in sc
latent
Profile Joined March 2009
United States428 Posts
March 22 2009 06:43 GMT
#1556
On March 22 2009 15:39 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2009 15:37 latent wrote:
On March 22 2009 15:34 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On March 22 2009 15:32 latent wrote:
If he had noticed 11 and dropshipped onto it I don't think Jaedong would've survived.

He had a nydus canal there, and a creep colony (might've morphed into a sunken later).

It takes time for a player to react to a drop by sending units through a nydus. They need to gather both lings and a defiler, and use consume if it doesn't have the energy. There are tons and tons of games where terrans successfully drop a bunch of marines onto a nydus containing zerg expo. Even if they don't kill the hatchery as long as they kill the drones that's good enough for the time being.

That's speculation, we don't know for sure the drop would've killed off anything too major considering JD's reaction times,
"I don't think Jaedong would've survived" It all depends on how well you think he could defend it. I think a nydus+a sunken would be sufficient.

What I'm trying to say (and even if I'm wrong thankyou for arguing with me civilly) is that regardless of reaction time, it takes a significant amount of time to gather the forces necessary, send them through the canal, and take out the MnM force. Watching endless numbers of TvZs, drops always have success in late game TvZ as long as they avoid scourges and there are no units already present in the base. It wouldn't matter if JD reacted instantaneously.
Moo
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
March 22 2009 06:45 GMT
#1557
On March 22 2009 15:43 latent wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2009 15:39 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On March 22 2009 15:37 latent wrote:
On March 22 2009 15:34 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On March 22 2009 15:32 latent wrote:
If he had noticed 11 and dropshipped onto it I don't think Jaedong would've survived.

He had a nydus canal there, and a creep colony (might've morphed into a sunken later).

It takes time for a player to react to a drop by sending units through a nydus. They need to gather both lings and a defiler, and use consume if it doesn't have the energy. There are tons and tons of games where terrans successfully drop a bunch of marines onto a nydus containing zerg expo. Even if they don't kill the hatchery as long as they kill the drones that's good enough for the time being.

That's speculation, we don't know for sure the drop would've killed off anything too major considering JD's reaction times,
"I don't think Jaedong would've survived" It all depends on how well you think he could defend it. I think a nydus+a sunken would be sufficient.

What I'm trying to say (and even if I'm wrong thankyou for arguing with me civilly) is that regardless of reaction time, it takes a significant amount of time to gather the forces necessary, send them through the canal, and take out the MnM force. Watching endless numbers of TvZs, drops always have success in late game TvZ as long as they avoid scourges and there are no units already present in the base. It wouldn't matter if JD reacted instantaneously.

You also have to remember that Jaedong had overlord vision of all Dropship paths. And then you have to take into account that it takes time for the Dropship to drop all 8 units. In all that time, JD with his 400+ apm, most definitely could've put up a more than sufficient enough defense.
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SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
March 22 2009 06:45 GMT
#1558
On March 22 2009 15:40 SilverskY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2009 15:40 NovaTheFeared wrote:
I sense the banhammer incoming.

Bah, you ninja'd my post.

Well, I'm expecting it within 2 pages.
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
BisuBoi
Profile Joined February 2009
United States350 Posts
March 22 2009 06:46 GMT
#1559
On March 22 2009 15:43 latent wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2009 15:39 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On March 22 2009 15:37 latent wrote:
On March 22 2009 15:34 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On March 22 2009 15:32 latent wrote:
If he had noticed 11 and dropshipped onto it I don't think Jaedong would've survived.

He had a nydus canal there, and a creep colony (might've morphed into a sunken later).

It takes time for a player to react to a drop by sending units through a nydus. They need to gather both lings and a defiler, and use consume if it doesn't have the energy. There are tons and tons of games where terrans successfully drop a bunch of marines onto a nydus containing zerg expo. Even if they don't kill the hatchery as long as they kill the drones that's good enough for the time being.

That's speculation, we don't know for sure the drop would've killed off anything too major considering JD's reaction times,
"I don't think Jaedong would've survived" It all depends on how well you think he could defend it. I think a nydus+a sunken would be sufficient.

What I'm trying to say (and even if I'm wrong thankyou for arguing with me civilly) is that regardless of reaction time, it takes a significant amount of time to gather the forces necessary, send them through the canal, and take out the MnM force. Watching endless numbers of TvZs, drops always have success in late game TvZ as long as they avoid scourges and there are no units already present in the base. It wouldn't matter if JD reacted instantaneously.


Goddamn I am getting tired of seeing your posts pollute threads. FFS this is a community forum, not your personal pulpit. If it's quite obv people don't want to hear what you're saying then just stfu for the interim. Stop acting like you deserve a voice and people have an obligation to respond to you in the manner you want. You're supposed to be here to contribute, not be a whiny pain in the ass.
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-22 06:49:47
March 22 2009 06:48 GMT
#1560
On March 22 2009 15:46 BisuBoi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2009 15:43 latent wrote:
On March 22 2009 15:39 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On March 22 2009 15:37 latent wrote:
On March 22 2009 15:34 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On March 22 2009 15:32 latent wrote:
If he had noticed 11 and dropshipped onto it I don't think Jaedong would've survived.

He had a nydus canal there, and a creep colony (might've morphed into a sunken later).

It takes time for a player to react to a drop by sending units through a nydus. They need to gather both lings and a defiler, and use consume if it doesn't have the energy. There are tons and tons of games where terrans successfully drop a bunch of marines onto a nydus containing zerg expo. Even if they don't kill the hatchery as long as they kill the drones that's good enough for the time being.

That's speculation, we don't know for sure the drop would've killed off anything too major considering JD's reaction times,
"I don't think Jaedong would've survived" It all depends on how well you think he could defend it. I think a nydus+a sunken would be sufficient.

What I'm trying to say (and even if I'm wrong thankyou for arguing with me civilly) is that regardless of reaction time, it takes a significant amount of time to gather the forces necessary, send them through the canal, and take out the MnM force. Watching endless numbers of TvZs, drops always have success in late game TvZ as long as they avoid scourges and there are no units already present in the base. It wouldn't matter if JD reacted instantaneously.


Goddamn I am getting tired of seeing your posts pollute threads. FFS this is a community forum, not your personal pulpit. If it's quite obv people don't want to hear what you're saying then just stfu for the interim. Stop acting like you deserve a voice and people have an obligation to respond to you in the manner you want. You're supposed to be here to contribute, not be a whiny pain in the ass.


Quite an irony......meh, kidding..

Thanks Carnac for the ban on latent.
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
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