EPTpeople here seriously think Jangbi isn't a MASSIVE favourite over Luxury in a series? What the fuck?
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
people here seriously think Jangbi isn't a MASSIVE favourite over Luxury in a series? What the fuck? | ||
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brjdrb
United States577 Posts
On February 28 2009 20:54 raga4ka wrote: Well Flash was looking pretty unstopable everywhere and then Luxury took him out in Ever OSL 2008 ... Hwasin chokes most of the times so i don't know if he can bring his best for a series . in the unlikely event that forgg makes it past stork and jangbi/nada, he will rape lux / zero. i think we all remember the arena msl finals. forgg is a tvz monster. too bad his tvp is so unrefined | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On February 28 2009 20:52 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: ....what? maybe you should do some research because jangbi's PvZ is probably the best around right now, excluding when Kal plays well I actually disagree and say that Bisu's PvZ is clearly the best. However my actual point is that in the last game JangBi and Luxury played, JangBi got ahead of Luxury by killing his third and then got overpowered and totally outmacroed. Luxury is 8-2 in his last 10 games in ZvP, and if you've actually watched some of them, he's looking really good and solid. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
On February 28 2009 20:52 malongo wrote: jangbi wins this msl. its written by stork. If it's written by stork, Jangbi's getting another silver. But honestly speaking, Jangbi > Luxury. Jangbi's on fire these days. | ||
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Shikyo
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
On February 28 2009 21:00 Shikyo wrote: With this map pool, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you. When you compare two players, I'm sure you compare their skill, not the racial imbalance of a map. If you're comparing let's say, Flash and Bisu, you don't go "Oh look, Medusa imba. Flash going to lose vs Bisu because of map." | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
The map pool is extremely Zerg-favored, the only way it could get worse for Protoss is if ToTM was in it as well. It's silly not to take it into account. | ||
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anTi_
United States499 Posts
On February 28 2009 20:55 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: okay, hold on people here seriously think Jangbi isn't a MASSIVE favourite over Luxury in a series? What the fuck? okay, hold on people here seriously think NaDa isn't a MASSIVE favourite over Jangbi in a series? What the fuck? it kinda sucks the msl nada is supposed to win the best PvT of all fucking time has to be in his way. In all seriousness though, stork will be the only competition for Jangbi in this MSL. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66356 Posts
On February 28 2009 21:08 anTi_ wrote: okay, hold on people here seriously think NaDa isn't a MASSIVE favourite over Jangbi in a series? What the fuck? it kinda sucks the msl nada is supposed to win the best PvT of all fucking time has to be in his way. In all seriousness though, stork will be the only competition for Jangbi in this MSL. I think Jangbi > Stork anytime now. | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
On February 28 2009 20:59 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: I watch pretty much every game and I can tell you without pause that Jangbi is a clear favourite over Luxury in a best of 5 long time ago you also told us without pause that this starleague, Sea would deliver. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On February 28 2009 21:27 damenmofa wrote: long time ago you also told us without pause that this starleague, Sea would deliver. No, I didn't post that. Good luck finding the quote! | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
more relevant for this topic though: I dont think Jangbi is anywhere near as good pvz as u make him out to be, he hasnt played one of the top zvpers like ever and the few pvz he played against the best he lost (although practically irrelevant since they are from a long time ago) There just isnt enough data to base ur claim for jangbi having the best pvz right now, not nearly enough. He has never beaten a competent zvp player in a series so that claim is ridiculous imo... | ||
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asel
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On February 28 2009 21:35 damenmofa wrote: I think people know what I mean without me having to dig the forums for a quote man... more relevant for this topic though: I dont think Jangbi is anywhere near as good pvz as u make him out to be, he hasnt played one of the top zvpers like ever and the few pvz he played against the best he lost (although practically irrelevant since they are from a long time ago) There just isnt enough data to base ur claim for jangbi having the best pvz right now, not nearly enough. He has never beaten a competent zvp player in a series so that claim is ridiculous imo... You want people to know you make retarded assumptions and don't actually read anything anyone writes? Cool, man. TL seems positively infested with people who clutch TLPD like their life depends on it | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On February 28 2009 21:35 damenmofa wrote:more relevant for this topic though: I dont think Jangbi is anywhere near as good pvz as u make him out to be, he hasnt played one of the top zvpers like ever and the few pvz he played against the best he lost (although practically irrelevant since they are from a long time ago) There just isnt enough data to base ur claim for jangbi having the best pvz right now, not nearly enough. He has never beaten a competent zvp player in a series so that claim is ridiculous imo... Quick, name a competent ZvPer besides Jaedong... And before you say July, he just got pwned by Stork in the OSL. So basically, your argument is that since Jangbi has not played Jaedong in a series, his PvZ is not good? And when was the last time Luxury beat a competent protoss in a series? I personally think Luxury's ZvP has improved a great deal since being Stork's whipping boy for a while. And I think a Luxury vs Jangbi final is basically tossup. But your argument is still pointless. On February 28 2009 20:59 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: I watch pretty much every game and I can tell you without pause that Jangbi is a clear favourite over Luxury in a best of 5 Do you really have such a low opinion of Luxury's ZvP? I've watched his wins against Bisu, Jangbi, Kal recently. It looks pretty good. | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
 JangBi PvZ Total: 29-18 (61.70%)Impressive Stats you say? Lets look at it a lil closer: vs  YellOw[ArnC]: 8-2vs Orion: 4-1vs Jaedong: 0-2vs sAviOr: 0-2vs Luxury 0-1vs July: never playedvs MuMyung 0-1Sorry but Jangbis PvZ isnt what u think it is... | ||
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VioleTAK
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
On February 28 2009 21:45 baubo wrote: Quick, name a competent ZvPer besides Jaedong... And before you say July, he just got pwned by Stork in the OSL. So basically, your argument is that since Jangbi has not played Jaedong in a series, his PvZ is not good? And when was the last time Luxury beat a competent protoss in a series? I personally think Luxury's ZvP has improved a great deal since being Stork's whipping boy for a while. And I think a Luxury vs Jangbi final is basically tossup. But your argument is still pointless. just because someone fucked up against the birdtoss in a certain tiebreaker doesnt mean u cant name him as "competent pvz player" anymore... also I would name savior if he keeps his recent form his zvp will be top5 again. Jaedong, Lux, Savior, July <- those are the 4 that have better zvp than ur average zerg on a basis as consistent as it gets with Zerg. Its always easy to try and make an argument look pointless by a question. Can u name a Z with a better overall average ZvP than the 4 I just named and classified as the 4 "competent zvp players" for me? I think by looking at how well a P does against these 4, u can estimate his PvZ skill much more accurately (for top level only obviously). | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On February 28 2009 21:46 damenmofa wrote: to be more precise: Jangbi PvZ Total: 29-18 (61.70%) Impressive Stats you say? Lets look at it a lil closer: vs Yellow[arnc]: 8-2 vs Orion: 4-1 vs Jaedong: 0-2 vs Savior: 0-2 vs Luxury 0-1 vs July: never played vs Mumyung 0-1 Sorry but Jangbis PvZ isnt what u think it is... LOL. No wonder FS's so pissed off at people who treat TLPD as the bible. I'm pretty sure Jangbi hasn't played Savior in ages. Those must've been some old, old games. | ||
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