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On March 01 2009 20:45 Magic84 wrote: Hopefully he's not prone to slumping and we'll still have 3 undisputed kings of their races. This. I love the rivalry between Bisu-Jaedong-Flash/
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On March 01 2009 20:47 nttea wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2009 20:32 Tensai176 wrote:On March 01 2009 20:31 nttea wrote: 5/10 my ass, Jaedong is obviously the superiour gamer Uhhh 5/10 for defense and Macro. The last game, it was clear that he used the '10' control Bisu had given him. His macro was even off, as he sent 6 more lings instead of 2 -> 2 -> 2 no, it was because he didn't expect to get control over the ramp. He made those 6 cause he did to kill bisu. Otherwise those would have been drones. Which begs the question, why wasn't it drone -> drone -> 2 lings?
Drones earlier means earlier mining time. Fact is, he got three larvae, quite crucial in that early timing. Unless he was waiting what he could do with the lings there, my memory seems a bit hazy but he should'nt have had three larvae like that.
Edit: To defend my seemingly fanboy comments,
I never liked Jaedong that much but always respected that he was a scary scary player. After seeing Bisu on Andromeda though, Bisu looked like he could beat Jaedong. Congrats on Jaedong though, hoping for an epic OSL Final between these two.
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What categories were the two 5s that Bisu gave Jaedong in the beginning? Oh, defense and macro, found it, sry
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On March 01 2009 20:49 538 wrote: What categories were the two 5s that Bisu gave Jaedong in the beginning? macro and defense
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On March 01 2009 20:47 GeLaar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2009 20:44 aZnvaLiaNce wrote: Bisu choked against Mind back in GOMTV S3 and he went into a slump for a while.
Bisu chokes again and now I predict he's done for. And I predict Bisu being back on Tuesday or Wednesday and doing another 3-4 kill, depending on what the situation requires.
I predict he will lose to Calm's 3 hatch lings.
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I agree with the anti-"hater" movement. I support Bisu, he is my favorite player, but even when Bisu was 1-0 and 2-1 I was giving props to JD because he is truly a great player and adversary. However, every time Bisu lost, there was a ton of shit flying around just because he is "metrosexual toss" or "rated JD a 5 LOLOLOL." Fuck, get over it and don't hate on the player or the fans of the player if there is no direct need... It was clear that Bisu didn't think about the numbers much since they were almost all integers, except the 7.5.
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The way people put it, you can't say anyone is better since it just depends of which day of the week it is...
For people who wants a definitive answer, they'll have to play each other every single day for like 10 games a day. If you know stats, mass data will give you the most accurate answer. Then after like a month of playing. 300 games. You'll get something like 151 and 149. AND BAM you can say _____ player is better.
BUT SOMEONE OUT THERE WILL BE LIKE, 3 more games okay? it'll be 152 151! GG no RE
let's just say they are BOTH extremely good. There really is no one's better than the other. The other will always remain a threat to you. You can have a winning record and still feel afraid that if you play them anymore they'll take it away from.
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the turning point come with the 4 ht snipe. It changed bisu's morale to all time low, before that was all time high after game 3.
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On March 01 2009 20:48 damenmofa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2009 20:44 GinNtoniC wrote:On March 01 2009 20:41 Mooncat wrote:On March 01 2009 20:38 GinNtoniC wrote:On March 01 2009 20:37 keV. wrote:On March 01 2009 20:37 Seraphim wrote: As far as I'm concerned, the series ended 2-2 Totally agree. that's a bit fanboyish of a comment... but heck, I too agree That's not "a bit fanyboyish". It's like 500% fanboyism. Sorry guys, but that's the way Starcraft works. You make a HORRIBLE mistake, that just shouldn't happen to a gamer of your caliber, and you're out of the game. What we're basically saying is that this 5th game didn't put a definate answer to the question "who is the better player?" and therefore, in our minds, the series in a sense ended even. Of course we're not sticking our heads in the sand going "nah-uh! it wasn't fair! rematch needed" see it for what it is We're all disappointed and eager to see another series to settle this rivalry its foolish to think this series could have given a definite answer to the question "who is the better player?" between JD and Bisu in the first place though. true enough, unless the games all ranged around the 10-15 minute area and were all onesided, non-BO-oriented rapes.
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On March 01 2009 20:48 damenmofa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2009 20:44 GinNtoniC wrote:On March 01 2009 20:41 Mooncat wrote:On March 01 2009 20:38 GinNtoniC wrote:On March 01 2009 20:37 keV. wrote:On March 01 2009 20:37 Seraphim wrote: As far as I'm concerned, the series ended 2-2 Totally agree. that's a bit fanboyish of a comment... but heck, I too agree That's not "a bit fanyboyish". It's like 500% fanboyism. Sorry guys, but that's the way Starcraft works. You make a HORRIBLE mistake, that just shouldn't happen to a gamer of your caliber, and you're out of the game. What we're basically saying is that this 5th game didn't put a definate answer to the question "who is the better player?" and therefore, in our minds, the series in a sense ended even. Of course we're not sticking our heads in the sand going "nah-uh! it wasn't fair! rematch needed" see it for what it is We're all disappointed and eager to see another series to settle this rivalry its foolish to think this series could have given a definite answer to the question "who is the better player?" between JD and Bisu in the first place though.
QFT. Thats why oov and nada want their Bo101 match
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this is going to be the most inane discussion in teamliquid history: "Does throwing away a game due to one poor micro/positioning mistake mean the other player is better or worse? Lets argue for 20 pages and threads and days!"
jaedong definitely deserved to win the series. that's all anyone has to and can know
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On March 01 2009 20:48 damenmofa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2009 20:44 GinNtoniC wrote:On March 01 2009 20:41 Mooncat wrote:On March 01 2009 20:38 GinNtoniC wrote:On March 01 2009 20:37 keV. wrote:On March 01 2009 20:37 Seraphim wrote: As far as I'm concerned, the series ended 2-2 Totally agree. that's a bit fanboyish of a comment... but heck, I too agree That's not "a bit fanyboyish". It's like 500% fanboyism. Sorry guys, but that's the way Starcraft works. You make a HORRIBLE mistake, that just shouldn't happen to a gamer of your caliber, and you're out of the game. What we're basically saying is that this 5th game didn't put a definate answer to the question "who is the better player?" and therefore, in our minds, the series in a sense ended even. Of course we're not sticking our heads in the sand going "nah-uh! it wasn't fair! rematch needed" see it for what it is We're all disappointed and eager to see another series to settle this rivalry its foolish to think this series could have given a definite answer to the question "who is the better player?" between JD and Bisu in the first place though. 3-0 or 3-1 rape would have.
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On March 01 2009 20:49 538 wrote: What categories were the two 5s that Bisu gave Jaedong in the beginning? Oh, defense and macro, found it, sry
clearly it wasn't 5 and 8.5-10 at least. Look how he defend and macro against sair/reaver in game 2.
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On March 01 2009 20:50 fanatacist wrote: I agree with the anti-"hater" movement. I support Bisu, he is my favorite player, but even when Bisu was 1-0 and 2-1 I was giving props to JD because he is truly a great player and adversary. However, every time Bisu lost, there was a ton of shit flying around just because he is "metrosexual toss" or "rated JD a 5 LOLOLOL." Fuck, get over it and don't hate on the player or the fans of the player if there is no direct need... It was clear that Bisu didn't think about the numbers much since they were almost all integers, except the 7.5.
+1
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On March 01 2009 20:50 GinNtoniC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2009 20:48 damenmofa wrote:On March 01 2009 20:44 GinNtoniC wrote:On March 01 2009 20:41 Mooncat wrote:On March 01 2009 20:38 GinNtoniC wrote:On March 01 2009 20:37 keV. wrote:On March 01 2009 20:37 Seraphim wrote: As far as I'm concerned, the series ended 2-2 Totally agree. that's a bit fanboyish of a comment... but heck, I too agree That's not "a bit fanyboyish". It's like 500% fanboyism. Sorry guys, but that's the way Starcraft works. You make a HORRIBLE mistake, that just shouldn't happen to a gamer of your caliber, and you're out of the game. What we're basically saying is that this 5th game didn't put a definate answer to the question "who is the better player?" and therefore, in our minds, the series in a sense ended even. Of course we're not sticking our heads in the sand going "nah-uh! it wasn't fair! rematch needed" see it for what it is We're all disappointed and eager to see another series to settle this rivalry its foolish to think this series could have given a definite answer to the question "who is the better player?" between JD and Bisu in the first place though. true enough, unless the games all ranged around the 10-15 minute area and were all onesided, non-BO-oriented rapes.
Don't think anyone wanted an end all answer but it would have been a nice tally in either category.
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despite the disappointing game 5, the other 4 sets were quite exciting and entertaining. Yes, the ending was anticlimactic, but i still enjoyed the series. It saddens me to see people saying this is the worst bo5 ever when the first 4 games were quite good, despite being pretty one sided.
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traced's got a point, im logging off this discussion. What a disappointing end to the beginning of a beautiful day...
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Wow.. This is a record breaking number of pages i've seen man.. Nice lings micro by JD at the last match, that's awesome!
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On March 01 2009 20:52 GrimAngel wrote: despite the disappointing game 5, the other 4 sets were quite exciting and entertaining. Yes, the ending was anticlimactic, but i still enjoyed the series. It saddens me to see people saying this is the worst bo5 ever when the first 4 games were quite good, despite being pretty one sided. The games themselves weren't that good tbh. It was really one-sided dominance from one player which made the series incredible since it went back and forth in the series. But for the series to end like this is what disappoints people.
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Even though the games seemed one sided, the entire event was a back and forth - that's what made this Bo5 really exciting for me to watch.
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