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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
February 13 2009 12:09 GMT
#1101
I think the reason why it's tough to figure out who was ahead at any point is that there's two main things to look at in tvt- positional advantage and expo count/macro advantage. Flash played with the balance between the two beautifully, and managed to win the game because of it.

In this TvT, flash won not because of better micro (he did amazing with it) not because of better macro (also pretty much flawless), but he was able to make better decisions overall about when to attack, when to defend, and as importantly, where to defend and where to attack.
PhotographerLiquipedia. Drop me a pm if you've got questions/need help.
benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
February 13 2009 12:09 GMT
#1102
man, that shot of leta always scares me
wash uffitizi, drive me to firenze
Tyxiquale
Profile Joined September 2008
Australia424 Posts
February 13 2009 12:10 GMT
#1103
On February 13 2009 21:06 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Truly sick game from Flash, can't believe he pulled that one out. And with so little practice time with all the games he's been playing recently.


I don't think that's a valid argument, considering hwasin is in both leagues and proleague.. AND had to practise against zerg ( for yesterday's MSL)

flash only had to practise against 1 race..

but in all honesty, I I don't think lack of practise, practise against different racial opponents, and in different leagues should really be used as an excuse.. if u made it in both starleagues.. u deserve to be there.. and ur expected to be able to have the schedule for it.. hence.. STARleague.. ur not just a pro..
Dumb people don't know that they're dumb.
GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
February 13 2009 12:10 GMT
#1104
On February 13 2009 21:08 ssj114 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2009 21:06 GinNtoniC wrote:
On February 13 2009 21:05 ssj114 wrote:
By the way, Flash and Bisu are making the TLPD ELO 2300 barrier a joke. If they keep this up, they may even crack 2400. In my opinion, the ELO needs to be revised, so as to pay respect to the early era masters like Boxer, NaDa, iloveoov.

That's like changing the time system to make sure Michael Johnson never loses his world record at 400m ^^


Not quite (I think). ELO is relative and tends to increase with time (I think). Just look at the chess ELOs nowadays. 10 years ago, above 2700 was considered top few in the world. Now? Well, everyone in the top 50 are just about over 2700.

I see your point, but you can't just change a counting system like that
You'd have to revize the entire thing under a new name.
Can't just change it to suit your preferences
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
February 13 2009 12:10 GMT
#1105
On February 13 2009 21:08 ssj114 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2009 21:06 GinNtoniC wrote:
On February 13 2009 21:05 ssj114 wrote:
By the way, Flash and Bisu are making the TLPD ELO 2300 barrier a joke. If they keep this up, they may even crack 2400. In my opinion, the ELO needs to be revised, so as to pay respect to the early era masters like Boxer, NaDa, iloveoov.

That's like changing the time system to make sure Michael Johnson never loses his world record at 400m ^^


Not quite (I think). ELO is relative and tends to increase with time (I think). Just look at the chess ELOs nowadays. 10 years ago, above 2700 was considered top few in the world. Now? Well, everyone in the top 50 are just about over 2700.


ELO is meant to be a measure of skill, not dominance. Of course the ELO peak will rise over time.
日本語が分かりますか
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
February 13 2009 12:10 GMT
#1106
I agree that Hwasin seemed to lack initiative. He had like 10 dropships at one point, and hardly ever tried to put pressure on one of Flash's expansions/main. He just used them to reinforce his defense.

Good comeback by Flash, but he sure cut it close.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
February 13 2009 12:10 GMT
#1107
On February 13 2009 21:08 ssj114 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2009 21:06 GinNtoniC wrote:
On February 13 2009 21:05 ssj114 wrote:
By the way, Flash and Bisu are making the TLPD ELO 2300 barrier a joke. If they keep this up, they may even crack 2400. In my opinion, the ELO needs to be revised, so as to pay respect to the early era masters like Boxer, NaDa, iloveoov.

That's like changing the time system to make sure Michael Johnson never loses his world record at 400m ^^


Not quite (I think). ELO is relative and tends to increase with time (I think). Just look at the chess ELOs nowadays. 10 years ago, above 2700 was considered top few in the world. Now? Well, everyone in the top 50 are just about over 2700.

yes, but it took more than 10 years for the inflation to kick in
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-13 12:10:59
February 13 2009 12:10 GMT
#1108
On February 13 2009 21:09 trollbone wrote:
Next week wont be a win-win match

If Best beat (T)Flash, Best and (T)Flash advvance

If (T)Flash beat Best, (T)Flash adavnce and we look at (T)Hwasin/(T)UpMagiC
- if (T)Hwasin win, (T)Hwasin advance
- if (T)UpMagiC advance, Tie-Break with (T)UpMagiC, Best, (T)Hwasin


You're wrong. They're all 1-1, therefore both matches are win-and-in. Pretty simple.
Zero fighting.
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
February 13 2009 12:10 GMT
#1109
alright and here we go again, with ggplay in orange at the left, and lux at the right in...red I think? something like that
PhotographerLiquipedia. Drop me a pm if you've got questions/need help.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
February 13 2009 12:10 GMT
#1110
On February 13 2009 21:09 trollbone wrote:
Next week wont be a win-win match

If Best beat (T)Flash, Best and (T)Flash advvance

If (T)Flash beat Best, (T)Flash adavnce and we look at (T)Hwasin/(T)UpMagiC
- if (T)Hwasin win, (T)Hwasin advance
- if (T)UpMagiC advance, Tie-Break with (T)UpMagiC, Best, (T)Hwasin


No, all 4 players are currently 1-1. It's pretty clear that the two winners are going to end up 2-1 and advance.
ssj114
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Afghanistan461 Posts
February 13 2009 12:11 GMT
#1111
On February 13 2009 21:10 GinNtoniC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2009 21:08 ssj114 wrote:
On February 13 2009 21:06 GinNtoniC wrote:
On February 13 2009 21:05 ssj114 wrote:
By the way, Flash and Bisu are making the TLPD ELO 2300 barrier a joke. If they keep this up, they may even crack 2400. In my opinion, the ELO needs to be revised, so as to pay respect to the early era masters like Boxer, NaDa, iloveoov.

That's like changing the time system to make sure Michael Johnson never loses his world record at 400m ^^


Not quite (I think). ELO is relative and tends to increase with time (I think). Just look at the chess ELOs nowadays. 10 years ago, above 2700 was considered top few in the world. Now? Well, everyone in the top 50 are just about over 2700.

I see your point, but you can't just change a counting system like that
You'd have to revize the entire thing under a new name.
Can't just change it to suit your preferences


Yeah man. Just breaks my heart to see noobs like Flash and Bisu crushing Nada's peak ELO for example. Hehe.
Sandboxie + SUA + DEP, Windows Firewall + NAT Router
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
February 13 2009 12:11 GMT
#1112
On February 13 2009 21:08 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2009 21:05 GHOSTCLAW wrote:
On February 13 2009 21:03 darktreb wrote:
If Flash manages to beat Best next week, this game will be looked back upon as one of those great games that displayed the sheer will of a champion. Flash was sooooo close to being on the brink of OSL elimination (would have needed to beat Best and Hwasin to win just to get into a tiebreaker). Now his fate is in his own hands (as is every other player in the group).


best's PvT hasn't been very good recently imo. He needs to start being able to win with something else other than 2 base into arb. Other players have called his number on that particular build recently.


I agree but you can never count out players like Best (just like you can never count out players like Flash). The real issue is just how many games will Flash have to play next week and will he have any TvP left in the tank? He hasn't played any TvP for a long time now and ironically, TvP is now his worst matchup statistically. Of course, we're still talking about the indisputable (see Katrina, Medusa) best TvP player of this generation and possibly of all time here.



He played a TvP vs Kal on Medusa this week. From what I saw I don't really think that hes what you would call "Rusty" with that matchup.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
February 13 2009 12:11 GMT
#1113
oof, ggplay scouts the wrong way, luxury scouts correctly
wash uffitizi, drive me to firenze
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
February 13 2009 12:11 GMT
#1114
lux is going to scout ggplay first correctly, whereas ggplay is scouting in the wrong direction first.
PhotographerLiquipedia. Drop me a pm if you've got questions/need help.
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
February 13 2009 12:11 GMT
#1115
Anyway...Lux in red at 2, GGPlay in beige at 10.
Zero fighting.
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
February 13 2009 12:11 GMT
#1116
On February 13 2009 21:09 trollbone wrote:
Next week wont be a win-win match

If Best beat (T)Flash, Best and (T)Flash advvance

If (T)Flash beat Best, (T)Flash adavnce and we look at (T)Hwasin/(T)UpMagiC
- if (T)Hwasin win, (T)Hwasin advance
- if (T)UpMagiC advance, Tie-Break with (T)UpMagiC, Best, (T)Hwasin

You are wrong, right now every player is 1 and 1. With 2 games remaining, 2 players will be 2-1 and 2 players will be 1-2. The two players who advance will be the players who win next week.
brood war for life, brood war forever
GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
February 13 2009 12:12 GMT
#1117
On February 13 2009 21:11 ssj114 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2009 21:10 GinNtoniC wrote:
On February 13 2009 21:08 ssj114 wrote:
On February 13 2009 21:06 GinNtoniC wrote:
On February 13 2009 21:05 ssj114 wrote:
By the way, Flash and Bisu are making the TLPD ELO 2300 barrier a joke. If they keep this up, they may even crack 2400. In my opinion, the ELO needs to be revised, so as to pay respect to the early era masters like Boxer, NaDa, iloveoov.

That's like changing the time system to make sure Michael Johnson never loses his world record at 400m ^^


Not quite (I think). ELO is relative and tends to increase with time (I think). Just look at the chess ELOs nowadays. 10 years ago, above 2700 was considered top few in the world. Now? Well, everyone in the top 50 are just about over 2700.

I see your point, but you can't just change a counting system like that
You'd have to revize the entire thing under a new name.
Can't just change it to suit your preferences


Yeah man. Just breaks my heart to see noobs like Flash and Bisu crushing Nada's peak ELO for example. Hehe.

I know, I know, it will be ok *pats gently on the back*
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
trollbone
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
France1905 Posts
February 13 2009 12:12 GMT
#1118
On February 13 2009 21:10 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2009 21:09 trollbone wrote:
Next week wont be a win-win match

If Best beat (T)Flash, Best and (T)Flash advvance

If (T)Flash beat Best, (T)Flash adavnce and we look at (T)Hwasin/(T)UpMagiC
- if (T)Hwasin win, (T)Hwasin advance
- if (T)UpMagiC advance, Tie-Break with (T)UpMagiC, Best, (T)Hwasin


No, all 4 players are currently 1-1. It's pretty clear that the two winners are going to end up 2-1 and advance.


aah whoa thought Flash was 2-0....
benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
February 13 2009 12:12 GMT
#1119
oh god, 12 hatch for ggplay and 9 pool speed for lux
wash uffitizi, drive me to firenze
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
February 13 2009 12:12 GMT
#1120
Oh god, this will be over quickly. Lux 9 pooled while scouting correctly, GGPlay 12 hatched at his nat while scouting incorrectly.
Zero fighting.
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