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SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
On February 13 2009 17:06 I_L_Jl wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 13 2009 16:58 Samurai- wrote: Best player in the world? I guess you were not arround when he was dropped out of MSL and OSL? His WL performance is also bad if you ask me, specialy for the player that you call "the best player in the world".. I fail to see how him not qualifying for 2 tournoments thanks to a couple of days and a series of 4 games, makes him not the best player in the world during the last 5 months. Since last sept. he is 58-20(74%) and has won 2 major golds. ? If you loose to players then you are cleary not the best player.. Dont get me wrong, he is a great player.. But you said he is THE BEST.. I you fail to see how loosing MSL, OSL, and seeing his WL performance != BEST PLAYER , then i cant help you.. | ||
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I_L_Jl
United States225 Posts
On February 13 2009 17:13 Jayme wrote: Those groups were basically insurance groups, and he still got kicked out of BOTH leagues and now has a pretty untested PvZ against any real competent zerg. It is not enough to be the best in the world. You must be best in the world by a significant margin, and Bisu simply can not claim this. He's simply not a distinct favorite against every progamer out there. Just rest easy knowing that he's most likely the best player in the world right now with Jaedong and especially Flash nipping at his heels. + Show Spoiler + Bisu was 18-8 against Z during that time. The problem with him facing real zerg is that there are only 4-6 real zerg out there so of course im not surprised that he loses to them, considering he is basically a lock in a series against any zerg except Jaedong (and perhaps now Savior) without practicing. And badges are not a measure for Bonjwa? Since when? Medals have always been a direct representor of a players dominance, the more the player had the more dominant he was. In my opinion it is a better indicator, as it shows how a player plays when he is focused, prepared, and in a series. But anyway have to get some zzzzs ): | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7229 Posts
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
Yes, badges do not matter. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On February 13 2009 17:12 MrHoon wrote: I don't think people understand what the word "Bonjwa" means. Bonjwa =/= the # of badges on your uniform, or how much money you earn from your contract If this was true, July would've been Bonjwa, but he is not. If this is true, there would've been 2 kings during the Savior Era. Bonjwa means domination. DOMINATION. It doesn't matter how many badges you carry, or how many BO5s you have won, all that matters is how much you fucking raped everyone IN THE ASS REGARDLESS OF MAP (Longinus, terrible map but look at Savior's score, and many more). For a Bonjwa, there is no such thing called a "Map Imbalance" or bad maps, every map is the same map for them. Throughout Bisu's career, nobody can argue that Bisu had a hard map pool to work against, infact he had many many lucky map pools. The day I acknowledge Bisu to be Bonjwa, is the day he wins all his PvZs on TOTM (AGAINST COMPETENT OPPONENTS) proving map imbalance cannot stop him. Not to mention win PvTs on maps that favor Terran more than Toss. However until then, he isn't a bonjwa. You guys can call him Bonjwa all you want, but until this happens, nobody will acknowledge it. PS: okay I see alot of people bandwagoning to KTF these days. gtfo. I preface this by saying I'm not a Bisu fan and I hate Bisu fans in general, but by modern Starcraft standard, I think Bisu's as Bonjwa as it gets. With today's level of competition, it's basically impossible for people to dominate anymore. There are too many tournaments. There are too many players. The strategies have already been fleshed out. So in that sense, Bisu's accomplishment is no less amazing than the domination of say, Boxer or Oov. And this is even before we take into account the fact that he's the first protoss to dominate zergs. On a side note, I think Flash had the ability to be Bonjwa in every sense of the word, before his schedule of MSL/OSL/GOM/WCG/Proleague turned him into the butt of 14CC jokes. | ||
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Jaksiel
United States4130 Posts
Things that can happen tonight: If Leta beats Fantasy, Leta is into the round of 8 and Tester cannot advance. If Luxury beats GGPlay, Jaedong is into the round of 8 and GGPlay cannot advance. | ||
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I_L_Jl
United States225 Posts
On February 13 2009 17:24 Samurai- wrote: ? If you loose to players then you are cleary not the best player.. Dont get me wrong, he is a great player.. But you said he is THE BEST.. I you fail to see how loosing MSL, OSL, and seeing his WL performance != BEST PLAYER , then i cant help you.. Honestly, can you read? I said the best player in the past 5 months. Who would you put ahead of him. Jangbi? Worse record, Bisu crushed him in two finals. Flash? Worse record, didn't make a final Jaedog? Same as Flash Stork? Slightly worse record, one medal instead of two. Leta? Better record, although worse competition, but no medals Bisu had beastly record and took 2-3 golds. Defiantly makes him the best in past 5 months in my book. ---- Badges are an indicator of dominance, not the only one obviously. Hypothetically, you are telling me that if a player wins all the major titles for one year, but maybe didn't have the absolute best league record, he isn't Bonjwa.? And seriously, I am not even a Bisu fan, but I have no idea why you guys won't even consider him for Bonjwa. | ||
disciple
9070 Posts
KTY fighting !!! | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
On February 13 2009 17:33 I_L_Jl wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 13 2009 17:24 Samurai- wrote: ? If you loose to players then you are cleary not the best player.. Dont get me wrong, he is a great player.. But you said he is THE BEST.. I you fail to see how loosing MSL, OSL, and seeing his WL performance != BEST PLAYER , then i cant help you.. Honestly, can you read? I said the best player in the past 5 months. Who would you put ahead of him. Jangbi? Worse record, Bisu crushed him in two finals. Flash? Worse record, didn't make a final Jaedog? Same as Flash Stork? Slightly worse record, one medal instead of two. Leta? Better record, although worse competition, but no medals Bisu had beastly record and took 2-3 golds. Defiantly makes him the best in past 5 months in my book. ---- Badges are an indicator of dominance, not the only one obviously. Hypothetically, you are telling me that if a player wins all the major titles, but maybe didn't have the absolute best record, he isn't Bonjwa.? And seriously, I am not even a Bisu fan, but I have no idea why you guys won't even consider him for Bonjwa. I give up.. Fine, he is a [insert what you want].. I dont care anymore.. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
And seriously, I am not even a Bisu fan, but I have no idea why you guys won't even consider him for Bonjwa. Because he isn't one. | ||
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
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SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
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Jaksiel
United States4130 Posts
Bisu had beastly record and took 2-3 golds. Defiantly makes him the best in past 5 months in my book. "2-3" golds? It's not really a debate, he has 2 in the past few months... | ||
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
On February 13 2009 17:33 I_L_Jl wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 13 2009 17:24 Samurai- wrote: ? If you loose to players then you are cleary not the best player.. Dont get me wrong, he is a great player.. But you said he is THE BEST.. I you fail to see how loosing MSL, OSL, and seeing his WL performance != BEST PLAYER , then i cant help you.. Honestly, can you read? I said the best player in the past 5 months. Who would you put ahead of him. Jangbi? Worse record, Bisu crushed him in two finals. Flash? Worse record, didn't make a final Jaedog? Same as Flash Stork? Slightly worse record, one medal instead of two. Leta? Better record, although worse competition, but no medals Bisu had beastly record and took 2-3 golds. Defiantly makes him the best in past 5 months in my book. ---- Badges are an indicator of dominance, not the only one obviously. Hypothetically, you are telling me that if a player wins all the major titles for one year, but maybe didn't have the absolute best league record, he isn't Bonjwa.? And seriously, I am not even a Bisu fan, but I have no idea why you guys won't even consider him for Bonjwa. The same goddamn reason why JULY WASN'T BONJWA BECAUSE THERE ARE PLAYERS THE SAME LEVEL AS BISU | ||
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I_L_Jl
United States225 Posts
On February 13 2009 17:42 Jaksiel wrote: "2-3" golds? It's not really a debate, he has 2 in the past few months... 2 out of 3 And not exactly sure how am I blind, the only thing i said was he was the best SC player in the past 5 months, and that he should be at least considered for Bonjwa. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On February 13 2009 17:44 I_L_Jl wrote: 2 out of 3 And not exactly sure how am I blind, the only thing i said was he was the best SC player in the past 5 months, and that he should be at least considered for Bonjwa. And the arguement against that is that there are other players on his level, so he isn't bonjwa. To be bonjwa meant being a class above everyone else, not in the top class with Jaedong and Flash. | ||
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stafu
Australia1196 Posts
 July >  Bisu Leta > fantasyFlash > HwasinLuxury > GGPlay | ||
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