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Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
February 13 2009 07:22 GMT
#21
On February 13 2009 15:32 DreaM)XeRO wrote:

Leta >>>> Fantasy
As much as i love SKT1 i love Leta even more. LETA himself is imba

Flash > Hwasin.
MSL group was a fluke ;D with more rest time, hope Flash can win with his monster TvT

More rest what ?

anyway.. comeon flash, one more to go, and hwasin lost to casy so .]
One ring, to rule them all!
Deletrious
Profile Joined December 2007
United States458 Posts
February 13 2009 07:22 GMT
#22
July over Bisu, yeah big surprise right BUT.. I am predicting July goes three hatch scourge 5 hatch muta and not for a low econ build, unless Bisu doesn't fast expand or the map is bad for that zerg build for some reason.

Good chance for some interest TvTs, and then we can see ggplay get slaughtered.
Bow before the Dongjwa.
fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
February 13 2009 07:27 GMT
#23
Nice

july vs bonjwa
bisu fanboy
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
February 13 2009 07:36 GMT
#24
On February 13 2009 16:27 fearus wrote:
Nice

july vs bonjwa


Heres to hoping July wrecks fake-bonjwa so we can move along.

Bisu<<<<< July
Self explanatory. Not only do I want to see fans cry but July's ZvP has always been legendary.

Fantasy < Leta

Leta is hot right now, very much so.

Hwasin < Flash

This is probably the closest match of the night, Hwasin is playing like an absolute genius lately but Flash is being Flash.

GGplay < Luxury

I like GGplay for some reason, guy is classy. He's still going to lose to luxury though.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10871 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-13 07:44:26
February 13 2009 07:42 GMT
#25
july stomp pretty boy! ugh!


The other matches... Who cares?
(Hwasin!, GGplay shall win! Leta shall lose...).


Hm.. maybe Fantasy and Leta could both get a simultanious heart attack?... Really... I could not care less about any matchup in the history of Starcraft :p.
Jenia6109
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Russian Federation1613 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-13 07:46:07
February 13 2009 07:45 GMT
#26
June
Fantastic
Flashpoint
Luxurker
INnoVation TY Maru | Classic Stats Dear sOs Zest herO | Rogue Dark soO
I_L_Jl
Profile Joined January 2009
United States225 Posts
February 13 2009 07:47 GMT
#27
On February 13 2009 16:09 d_so wrote:
yaknow what. i dont like this banner

and bisu's a pretty good player. but he's definitely not bonjwa


By pretty good player i presume you mean best player in the world at multiple times, including during the past five months.

Also, you have to admit that, while he dosn't quite dominate like the Bonjwas did, he does have an impressive resume with 4 major titles, coming in an age when the competition is far better. And he has clearly shown himself to be the best toss ever.
hsoul
Profile Joined September 2007
Netherlands26 Posts
February 13 2009 07:52 GMT
#28
Daum Sports: low quality but good fluency
http://sportslive.media.daum.net/live_tiny/player.jsp?channel=OSL&league=ESPORTS&game=ESPORTS2009021303&home=56&away=33

PLU: high quality
http://bbs.plu.cn/ogn.php
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
February 13 2009 07:54 GMT
#29
On February 13 2009 16:47 I_L_Jl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2009 16:09 d_so wrote:
yaknow what. i dont like this banner

and bisu's a pretty good player. but he's definitely not bonjwa


By pretty good player i presume you mean best player in the world at multiple times, including during the past five months.

Also, you have to admit that, while he dosn't quite dominate like the Bonjwas did, he does have an impressive resume with 4 major titles, coming in an age when the competition is far better. And he has clearly shown himself to be the best toss ever.


Yes everyone agrees that Bisu is a great player. This is undeniable, but a bonjwa is not just a great player. If you were there back when Nada or Savior was considered bonjwa you would know the difference between their domination and bisu's "domination."

It isn't about titles, it's not about short stints at the top. It's being the single top player for a steady period of time, something that Bisu simply can't claim right now. Flash/Jaedong are both far too close in skill level. Bisu isn't a really clear favorite against Flash and certainly not the favorite against Jaedong.

I don't understand why people care so much about Bisu being named bonjwa anyway, what exactly does it matter?
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
I_L_Jl
Profile Joined January 2009
United States225 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-13 07:59:11
February 13 2009 07:58 GMT
#30
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 13 2009 16:54 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2009 16:47 I_L_Jl wrote:
On February 13 2009 16:09 d_so wrote:
yaknow what. i dont like this banner

and bisu's a pretty good player. but he's definitely not bonjwa


By pretty good player i presume you mean best player in the world at multiple times, including during the past five months.

Also, you have to admit that, while he dosn't quite dominate like the Bonjwas did, he does have an impressive resume with 4 major titles, coming in an age when the competition is far better. And he has clearly shown himself to be the best toss ever.


Yes everyone agrees that Bisu is a great player. This is undeniable, but a bonjwa is not just a great player. If you were there back when Nada or Savior was considered bonjwa you would know the difference between their domination and bisu's "domination."

It isn't about titles, it's not about short stints at the top. It's being the single top player for a steady period of time, something that Bisu simply can't claim right now. Flash/Jaedong are both far too close in skill level. Bisu isn't a really clear favorite against Flash and certainly not the favorite against Jaedong.

I don't understand why people care so much about Bisu being named bonjwa anyway, what exactly does it matter?


I am just saying that if he wins the OSL its going to be hard to deny him the status, but anyway game time.

Edit, nooooo got the time wrong, probably gonna have to miss it now ):
Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
February 13 2009 07:58 GMT
#31
On February 13 2009 16:47 I_L_Jl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2009 16:09 d_so wrote:
yaknow what. i dont like this banner

and bisu's a pretty good player. but he's definitely not bonjwa


By pretty good player i presume you mean best player in the world at multiple times, including during the past five months.

Also, you have to admit that, while he dosn't quite dominate like the Bonjwas did, he does have an impressive resume with 4 major titles, coming in an age when the competition is far better. And he has clearly shown himself to be the best toss ever.

Best player in the world? I guess you were not arround when he was dropped out of MSL and OSL? His WL performance is also bad if you ask me, specialy for the player that you call "the best player in the world"..
One ring, to rule them all!
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
February 13 2009 08:00 GMT
#32
GO BISU, MAKE JULY CALL JENNY CRAIG.
SingletonWilliam
Profile Joined April 2008
United States664 Posts
February 13 2009 08:04 GMT
#33
July, Flash, Lux, Leta fighting!

Aegraen #1 Fan!
Shengster
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States167 Posts
February 13 2009 08:06 GMT
#34
Hope flash wins!
I_L_Jl
Profile Joined January 2009
United States225 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-13 08:07:33
February 13 2009 08:06 GMT
#35
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 13 2009 16:58 Samurai- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2009 16:47 I_L_Jl wrote:
On February 13 2009 16:09 d_so wrote:
yaknow what. i dont like this banner

and bisu's a pretty good player. but he's definitely not bonjwa


By pretty good player i presume you mean best player in the world at multiple times, including during the past five months.

Also, you have to admit that, while he dosn't quite dominate like the Bonjwas did, he does have an impressive resume with 4 major titles, coming in an age when the competition is far better. And he has clearly shown himself to be the best toss ever.

Best player in the world? I guess you were not arround when he was dropped out of MSL and OSL? His WL performance is also bad if you ask me, specialy for the player that you call "the best player in the world"..



I fail to see how him not qualifying for 2 tournoments thanks to a couple of days and a series of 4 games, makes him not the best player in the world during the last 5 months.

Since last sept. he is 58-20(74%) and has won 2 major golds.
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
February 13 2009 08:12 GMT
#36
I don't think people understand what the word "Bonjwa" means.

Bonjwa =/= the # of badges on your uniform, or how much money you earn from your contract

If this was true, July would've been Bonjwa, but he is not. If this is true, there would've been 2 kings during the Savior Era.

Bonjwa means domination. DOMINATION. It doesn't matter how many badges you carry, or how many BO5s you have won, all that matters is how much you fucking raped everyone IN THE ASS REGARDLESS OF MAP (Longinus, terrible map but look at Savior's score, and many more). For a Bonjwa, there is no such thing called a "Map Imbalance" or bad maps, every map is the same map for them. Throughout Bisu's career, nobody can argue that Bisu had a hard map pool to work against, infact he had many many lucky map pools.

The day I acknowledge Bisu to be Bonjwa, is the day he wins all his PvZs on TOTM (AGAINST COMPETENT OPPONENTS) proving map imbalance cannot stop him. Not to mention win PvTs on maps that favor Terran more than Toss.

However until then, he isn't a bonjwa. You guys can call him Bonjwa all you want, but until this happens, nobody will acknowledge it.


PS: okay I see alot of people bandwagoning to KTF these days. gtfo.
dats racist
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
February 13 2009 08:13 GMT
#37
On February 13 2009 17:06 I_L_Jl wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 13 2009 16:58 Samurai- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2009 16:47 I_L_Jl wrote:
On February 13 2009 16:09 d_so wrote:
yaknow what. i dont like this banner

and bisu's a pretty good player. but he's definitely not bonjwa


By pretty good player i presume you mean best player in the world at multiple times, including during the past five months.

Also, you have to admit that, while he dosn't quite dominate like the Bonjwas did, he does have an impressive resume with 4 major titles, coming in an age when the competition is far better. And he has clearly shown himself to be the best toss ever.

Best player in the world? I guess you were not arround when he was dropped out of MSL and OSL? His WL performance is also bad if you ask me, specialy for the player that you call "the best player in the world"..



I fail to see how him not qualifying for 2 tournoments thanks to a couple of days and a series of 4 games, makes him not the best player in the world during the last 5 months.

Since last sept. he is 58-20(74%) and has won 2 major golds.


Those groups were basically insurance groups, and he still got kicked out of BOTH leagues and now has a pretty untested PvZ against any real competent zerg.

It is not enough to be the best in the world. You must be best in the world by a significant margin, and Bisu simply can not claim this. He's simply not a distinct favorite against every progamer out there. Just rest easy knowing that he's most likely the best player in the world right now with Jaedong and especially Flash nipping at his heels.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-13 08:19:08
February 13 2009 08:17 GMT
#38
Flash is more of a bonjwa than Bisu. Flash has dominated 2 imbalanced maps heavily favouring Protoss (Katrina and Medusa), he has the All-Kill and several 3-Kills, and he never loses embarassingly to runts like by.hero. When Bisu loses, he complains that the map favoured Zerg. Bonjwas don't whine. Flash has a 30-10 record (75%) for his last 40 games.
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-13 08:18:53
February 13 2009 08:17 GMT
#39
I would call him neither a bonjwa nor the best player in the world. I would say FlaSh and Jaedong are good candidates for the latter, but no one on the scene right now has the caliber to take the title of bonjwa. I'm just wondering, for clarification, who are the actual bonjwas of past? I know NaDa and Savior are for sure, but the rest are slightly gray for me. Anyone care to name them?

FlaSh is 7-1 on Medusa, a map where it's 35-14 PVT. That's just ridiculous...
Graphics
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
February 13 2009 08:19 GMT
#40
On February 13 2009 17:17 SilverskY wrote:
I would call him neither a bonjwa nor the best player in the world. I would say FlaSh and Jaedong are good candidates for the latter, but no one on the scene right now has the caliber to take the title of bonjwa. I'm just wondering, for clarification, who are the actual bonjwas of past? I know NaDa and Savior are for sure, but the rest are slightly gray for me. Anyone care to name them?

FlaSh is 7-1 on Medusa, a map where it's 35-14 PVT. That's just ridiculous...

Iloveoov and Boxer.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
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