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Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8090 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 11:35:53
January 08 2009 12:03 GMT
#1
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Results and Standings



Batoo OnGameNet Starleague Ro36 - Group H


(T)RuBy < Tears of the Moon | Medusa | Return of the King > (Z)by.hero

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(P)Bisu < Tears of the Moon | Medusa | Return of the King > Winner

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Map Order: Tears of the Moon, Medusa, Return of the King




Predictions
+ Show Spoiler +
(T)RuBy > (Z)by.hero
(T)RuBy< (Z)by.hero
(T)RuBy > (Z)by.hero

(P)Bisu > (T)RuBy
(P)Bisu > (T)RuBy
(P)Bisu <> (T)RuBy


Results
+ Show Spoiler +
(T)RuBy > (Z)by.hero
(T)RuBy < (Z)by.hero
(T)RuBy < (Z)by.hero

(P)Bisu < (Z)by.hero
(P)Bisu < (Z)by.hero
(P)Bisu <> (Z)by.hero

Hero advances beating bisu 2-0
No i am not joking
Say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat




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DownMaxX
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada1311 Posts
January 08 2009 12:07 GMT
#2
Ruby is going to 2-0 by.hero... and then get creamed by Bisu.

I'd love to see Ruby (somehow) advance though.
parasite
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-08 12:21:12
January 08 2009 12:20 GMT
#3
lol

(T)RuBy is a zerg sniper... expecting a 2-0 or 2-1 by (T)RuBy..

unfortuantly (P)Bisu is in Protoss God-mode..
i dont think anyone can take him down right now
expecting a 2-0 over ruby
cw)minsean(ru
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
January 08 2009 12:58 GMT
#4
Bisu can't lose this.
Brood War loyalist
hsoul
Profile Joined September 2007
Netherlands26 Posts
January 08 2009 15:03 GMT
#5
mms://liveongame.gscdn.com/L1
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 08 2009 15:05 GMT
#6
On January 08 2009 21:58 meegrean wrote:
Bisu can't lose this.

Yep, if by.hero somehow manages to edge out RuBy then I can't see Bisu losing to such a new zerg. If RuBy does what most expect him to do by throwing hero aside with ease then I can't see Bisu losing to RuBy, seeing as RuBy is particularly weak at TvP in comparison to his other matchups.
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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
January 08 2009 15:53 GMT
#7
I'm worried about Bisu.... no, seriously, I really am
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8131 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-08 16:05:29
January 08 2009 16:05 GMT
#8
(Z)by.hero 4-1
Free Palestine
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 08 2009 16:28 GMT
#9
On January 09 2009 00:53 disciple wrote:
I'm worried about Bisu.... no, seriously, I really am

Me too. Somehow, I have this weird feeling he's going to fail...

Crush my doubts Bisu!
We see things they'll never see
VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4330 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-08 16:46:30
January 08 2009 16:40 GMT
#10
After watching Bisu lose the first game in the finals, then win 3-1... After watching him lose the first to Flash on Gom, then win 2-1... I simply have no more doubts.
After watching Bisu single handedly turning the whole MSL groups in 3 seconds, from one thing to a complete other story all together, with as much effort as sneezing... Making many fans a'cry. Behold the power of the strongest player in the world. Bisu is a powerhouse. Ruby and Hero are having nightmares tonight, and they already typed GG in their mind, Its OVER before it started! Bisu's OSL is at hand :-)
Bisu 2-0 or 2-1, advancing comfortably either way.
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freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
January 08 2009 16:48 GMT
#11
On January 09 2009 00:53 disciple wrote:
I'm worried about Bisu.... no, seriously, I really am


me too!
And all is illuminated.
HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
January 08 2009 16:48 GMT
#12
Bisu to advance, I am personally expecting Ruby will make quite a show of it. Hero may well also manage a few good games.
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darkemperor
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Turkey725 Posts
January 08 2009 16:57 GMT
#13
Bisu will walk over Ruby with 2-0

No worries
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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
January 08 2009 17:00 GMT
#14
twilight maps all over the place... toss domination
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Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
January 08 2009 17:01 GMT
#15
(Z)by.hero 2-0 (T)RuBy
and
(P)Bisu 1-2 (Z)by.hero

+ Show Spoiler +
Seriously (P)Bisu 0-2 (Z)by.hero, I was just giving hope for Bisu
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
January 08 2009 18:17 GMT
#16
i hope for some interesting counters to mech by by.hero!
Team Liquid
iloveHieu
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1919 Posts
January 08 2009 19:23 GMT
#17
I'd be really surprised if Bisu didn't make it out of this group.. and he definitely looks better than the other dudes as always~
Xellos <3
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
January 08 2009 19:31 GMT
#18
do you know why bisu will win?

he's better looking

the end :D
cw)minsean(ru
imDerek
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1944 Posts
January 08 2009 20:16 GMT
#19
On January 09 2009 00:53 disciple wrote:
I'm worried about Bisu.... no, seriously, I really am


me too, somehow I worry he's going to lose even though he's in godmode atm, thats also why i don't have him in my fantasy pl lineup (bad decision )
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ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
January 08 2009 21:07 GMT
#20
If (P)Bisu wins this 2-0 he will be around 2330, maybe slightly more but i don't think he can break the peak though (depends if he plays (T)RuBy or (Z)by.hero and if the score of the first match is 2-0 or 2-1).

That means that in the next match he could play the worst noob out there and get the ELO peak easily.. well gues who he plays with
Bisu. The one and only. // Save the cheerreaver, save the world (of SC2)
nibbles
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United Kingdom179 Posts
January 08 2009 21:21 GMT
#21
I have a feeling he's going to lose to Flash though. :S
meh
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2073 Posts
January 08 2009 21:38 GMT
#22
Both hero and RuBy aren't exactly great against Toss. Bisu!
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Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
January 08 2009 21:59 GMT
#23
this is nonsense stop the jinx, after watching bisu vs flash you cant fear bisu losing to this players. Unless he get 5 pooled/hidra rushed or chessed in some way and even then i still give him over 60% chance.
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8131 Posts
January 08 2009 22:16 GMT
#24
On January 09 2009 04:31 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
do you know why bisu will win?

he's better looking

the end :D



This is an example of why I have SERIOUS problems trying to like Bisu at all lol
Free Palestine
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11300 Posts
January 08 2009 22:18 GMT
#25
Gogo Bisu.

And that is a nice looking OP with the pictures and spacing, gj scara and gz for post 2000.
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Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
January 08 2009 22:22 GMT
#26
Bisu will comfortably advance from this group. No doubt. Both of these guys have prety bad stats in vP and Bisu is tearing apart much better players then them these days.
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
January 08 2009 22:30 GMT
#27
This (Bisu's match) will be one sided rape, and I can't wait to see it.
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Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
January 08 2009 22:32 GMT
#28
exhibition match for bisu's fans
Terran & Potato Salad.
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
January 08 2009 23:50 GMT
#29
Easy group for bisu, but it should be fun to watch anyway. Bisu should be aiming to finish in less than 30 min worth of gametime xD.

And to scout for cheeses.
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8553 Posts
January 09 2009 00:03 GMT
#30
O.o You're a tank.

Ruby goes Mech twice. Wins.
Bisu wins, hands down.
Jaedong
strongwind
Profile Joined July 2007
United States862 Posts
January 09 2009 00:07 GMT
#31
fear for Bisu is expected, I'm always worried about my fav players no matter who they're playing. Luckily Bisu is not someone that is worried about pressure or plays on the defensive; if Ruby or hero plan on taking him down they better bring it
Taek Bang Fighting!
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
January 09 2009 00:09 GMT
#32
This group will be like Bisu's playground lol.
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
January 09 2009 00:12 GMT
#33
On January 09 2009 07:30 Itachii wrote:
This (Bisu's match) will be one sided rape, and I can't wait to see it.

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Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
January 09 2009 00:15 GMT
#34
Can't wait to return from exams tomorrow to find out that hero owned the shit out of ruby and bisu. Oh man that would make my day. Go hero.
strongwind
Profile Joined July 2007
United States862 Posts
January 09 2009 00:17 GMT
#35
I just noticed in TLPD that by.hero's 3 wins vT have all been from Boxer. Interesting.
Taek Bang Fighting!
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 09 2009 00:22 GMT
#36
On January 09 2009 04:31 DreaM)XeRO wrote:
do you know why bisu will win?

he's better looking

the end :D

Ruby isn't that bad ._.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36379 Posts
January 09 2009 00:32 GMT
#37
On January 09 2009 06:07 ondik wrote:
If (P)Bisu wins this 2-0 he will be around 2330, maybe slightly more but i don't think he can break the peak though (depends if he plays (T)RuBy or (Z)by.hero and if the score of the first match is 2-0 or 2-1).

That means that in the next match he could play the worst noob out there and get the ELO peak easily.. well gues who he plays with

Bisu only got five points from Pusan and Pusan was at the same ELO rank as Ruby is now, so if he 2-0's Ruby, he will at maximum be at 2325. if by.hero wins, i'm not even sure Bisu cracks 2320 with a 2-0.
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Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
January 09 2009 00:42 GMT
#38
On January 09 2009 09:15 Frits wrote:
Can't wait to return from exams tomorrow to find out that hero owned the shit out of ruby and bisu. Oh man that would make my day. Go hero.

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ShAsTa
Profile Joined November 2002
Belgium2841 Posts
January 09 2009 00:44 GMT
#39
Hopefully ez wins for Bisu.
If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 01:05:27
January 09 2009 01:04 GMT
#40
On January 09 2009 09:32 Hot_Bid wrote:Bisu only got five points from Pusan and Pusan was at the same ELO rank as Ruby is now, so if he 2-0's Ruby, he will at maximum be at 2325. if by.hero wins, i'm not even sure Bisu cracks 2320 with a 2-0.


Really? Well I don't know how you use ELO here, in a board game i play it's like this: if players of same rating play, winner gets 16 points, then the higher the rating difference is, the less winner gets, till difference of about 750 points when he gets 0.

So i thought it could be similar here, but I see I was wrong
Bisu. The one and only. // Save the cheerreaver, save the world (of SC2)
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 09 2009 01:09 GMT
#41
I can only see Bisu dropping the first game to creative cheese... as much as I hope that he loses, I don't see it happening.
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 01:12:09
January 09 2009 01:10 GMT
#42
On January 09 2009 10:04 ondik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 09:32 Hot_Bid wrote:Bisu only got five points from Pusan and Pusan was at the same ELO rank as Ruby is now, so if he 2-0's Ruby, he will at maximum be at 2325. if by.hero wins, i'm not even sure Bisu cracks 2320 with a 2-0.


Really? Well I don't know how you use ELO here, in a board game i play it's like this: if players of same rating play, winner gets 16 points, then the higher the rating difference is, the less winner gets, till difference of about 750 points when he gets 0.

So i thought it could be similar here, but I see I was wrong


Depends on the K factor of the ELO system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system#Mathematical_issues (specifically)
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neshima
Profile Joined December 2007
37 Posts
January 09 2009 09:17 GMT
#43
can u really watch this on daum sports?
oov.bisu.haran.leta
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
January 09 2009 09:20 GMT
#44
the VLC stream is perfect
WingSandrockX
Profile Joined January 2007
Korea (North)1164 Posts
January 09 2009 09:22 GMT
#45
--- Nuked ---
ambit!ous1
Profile Joined September 2007
United States3662 Posts
January 09 2009 09:22 GMT
#46
too tired to stay up and watch this...

go RuBy but

Bisu FTW!
Bisu[Shield] / ♔ SoYeon
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 09:27 GMT
#47
Corinthos? He's no man,

He's a god!
We see things they'll never see
neshima
Profile Joined December 2007
37 Posts
January 09 2009 09:30 GMT
#48
i'm just asking cus its not actually on the game list window. daum sports is usually perfect for me, hahaha.
oov.bisu.haran.leta
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
January 09 2009 09:31 GMT
#49
KTY FIGHTING !!!
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Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
January 09 2009 09:31 GMT
#50
I have a feeling that (Z)by.hero will take this. For the swarm!
Backho fan since 080416. Favourite terran: Mind. Favourite Zerg: Jaedong.
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27154 Posts
January 09 2009 09:31 GMT
#51
On January 09 2009 18:30 neshima wrote:
i'm just asking cus its not actually on the game list window. daum sports is usually perfect for me, hahaha.


Im watching on Daum player right now. I dont know if that is different from Daum sports.
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Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
January 09 2009 09:32 GMT
#52
2 things:

1. Thank you very much Corinthos.
2. All Twilight wtf.
FusionCutter
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada974 Posts
January 09 2009 09:38 GMT
#53
Corinthos


ALL BOW DOWN TO HIM :D
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
January 09 2009 09:38 GMT
#54
VLC stream is lookin nice.
Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
January 09 2009 09:39 GMT
#55
Love Ruby's playing style

very sexy to watch
machinebloodprogram
Profile Joined December 2008
United States245 Posts
January 09 2009 09:39 GMT
#56
thanks for the crystal clear mms
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 09:40:06
January 09 2009 09:39 GMT
#57
I feel like everybody's watching this and nobody-s LR-ing, just to make sure I will not know what's happening. Pls, LR this!!:-)
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Proposal
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1310 Posts
January 09 2009 09:40 GMT
#58
VLC running straight for me
Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
January 09 2009 09:40 GMT
#59
for me the vlc stream works for about 3 sec and then stops :S worked perfectly until hitting 18:30. Live reporting would be much appreciated as a result!
Backho fan since 080416. Favourite terran: Mind. Favourite Zerg: Jaedong.
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
January 09 2009 09:40 GMT
#60
Heard "Kim Taek Yong" twice. They must be talking about how he's going to 2-0 the winner and move a step closer to that all-time elo high
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
January 09 2009 09:41 GMT
#61
ruby should win over by.hero 2-0

then i predict bisu wins 2-1 in WLW
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pum
Profile Joined March 2004
Sweden306 Posts
January 09 2009 09:41 GMT
#62
thank you Corinthos! its because guys like you i visit tl.net, keep up the good work
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
January 09 2009 09:42 GMT
#63
Since nobody's live reporting I'll do random snippets


Ruby went 1 barracks CC

By.Hero seems to be doing 2 Hatchery Lurker (?)
a
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 09:42 GMT
#64
1 Rax CC from Terran and 2 hatch lurkers from zerg I believe.

I jumped in on the stream a bit late. I smell slow drop.
We see things they'll never see
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
January 09 2009 09:42 GMT
#65
sexy vlc stream. thanks a lot!
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 09:44:53
January 09 2009 09:44 GMT
#66
hero gets some more zerglings. He has four lurkers and a bunch of zerglings,

Nice micro from ruby kills all of by.hero's lings.

Then screws up a bit and loses his mnm to reinforcement lings. By.hero going in.

Bad attack from By.hero.

edit: Sorry for crappy reporting, I'm eating right now =).
We see things they'll never see
Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1688 Posts
January 09 2009 09:44 GMT
#67
VLC FAILING ME
Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
January 09 2009 09:45 GMT
#68
me too zidane, me too. Luckily we get some livereporting to spice up our 1 screen every 25 secs!
Backho fan since 080416. Favourite terran: Mind. Favourite Zerg: Jaedong.
wtflah
Profile Joined October 2008
United States92 Posts
January 09 2009 09:45 GMT
#69
On January 09 2009 18:40 Zinbiel wrote:
for me the vlc stream works for about 3 sec and then stops :S worked perfectly until hitting 18:30. Live reporting would be much appreciated as a result!

Try opening it in windows media player, VLC stream doesnt work for me either. Click the link and have it open with WMP.
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
January 09 2009 09:45 GMT
#70
So far the game is as standard as it can be, some micro problems from by.hero

ruby is really solid as hell

zzzzzzz
a
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
January 09 2009 09:46 GMT
#71
ruby attempting an attack running out of the backdoor

lurkers on the path seem to make it impossible


queens nest up

a
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 09:47 GMT
#72
Ruby trying to some pressuring with a group of mnm. Tanks coming up for Ruby with his science vessel going up.

By.hero morphs 3 more lurkers and finishes his queens nest.

Ruby clears his choke of lurkers.
We see things they'll never see
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
January 09 2009 09:47 GMT
#73
T adding tanks and vessel.

Z upgrading to Hive.

Drop coming up in Z's main!
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
January 09 2009 09:48 GMT
#74
uhhh did camera man miss the scourging of the dropship?
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 09:48:38
January 09 2009 09:48 GMT
#75
dropship before sv (?)


ruby ferries a firebat, marine, and medic into by.hero's main

minimal damage, i think no drones died just a few lings
a
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
January 09 2009 09:48 GMT
#76
Lings take care of the drop. Defiler mound building...
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 09:48 GMT
#77
Dropship before vessel for Terran =O.

Ruby pressuring from the front, and picks up his mnm force he sent out a while earlier. He drops a marine and Firebat nto the main.

It kills alot of zerglings but no drones.

By.hero morphs more lurkers and is getting his defiler.

Terran's vessel is out and he starts the push.
We see things they'll never see
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
January 09 2009 09:48 GMT
#78
Could someone post Daum low quality link? (the one to open in IE)
My vlc is lagging, Corintho's stream is laggy also
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Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
January 09 2009 09:48 GMT
#79
6 rax for ruby! his macro will kick in soon!

hero getting defliers pretty soon!
neshima
Profile Joined December 2007
37 Posts
January 09 2009 09:48 GMT
#80
On January 09 2009 18:31 Manifesto7 wrote:

Im watching on Daum player right now. I dont know if that is different from Daum sports.



i used to use daum because it had excellent quality. but recently it hasn't been working for me =( all the IE players are pretty laggy, o well, thats why we got LRs i guess ^^
oov.bisu.haran.leta
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 09:49:44
January 09 2009 09:49 GMT
#81
On January 09 2009 18:48 Itachii wrote:
Could someone post Daum low quality link? (the one to open in IE)
My vlc is lagging, Corinthos stream is laggy also



wtf quoted myself~.~ lol
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Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 09:49 GMT
#82
Zerg pushes in, By.hero kills alot of rines, and Ruby is forced to push back a bit. He saves his two tanks and vessel though.

Nvm lings come and kill the tanks.

Ruby is forced back to his natural with a new macro'ed army.
We see things they'll never see
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 09:49:58
January 09 2009 09:49 GMT
#83
By.Hero has not shitty lurker micro

Ruby's once decent force is now in tatters with 2 tanks , 2 svs, a handful of infantry

tanks die to zerglings

like a true terran there is another force waiting in the natural
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Chobi
Profile Joined January 2009
45 Posts
January 09 2009 09:50 GMT
#84
On January 08 2009 21:03 Scaramanga wrote:
    How to watch
  • http://live.plu.cn/hanguo/ - Open in IE, Press P2P button



This link is only for MBC games. The chinese site says so...
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
January 09 2009 09:50 GMT
#85
Dark Swarm is up!

Ruby runs away effectively

1 SV scourged

Ruby's forces heading towards 3rd/4th
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stalife
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada1222 Posts
January 09 2009 09:50 GMT
#86
is there a way to get a lower quality stream?? corinthos' site is really really high quality...and it skips for me :/
www.memoryexpress.com
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 09:50 GMT
#87
3 vessels are out and what i thought was a suicide push turned out okay because hero hasw a defiler now.

However, despite the darkswarm Ruby cleans up the attack and is heading towards Hero's third gas.
We see things they'll never see
Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
January 09 2009 09:51 GMT
#88
ruby shwoing excellent micro, keeping his forces alive ;p

his macro sooo strong !
Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
January 09 2009 09:51 GMT
#89
On January 09 2009 18:45 wtflah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 18:40 Zinbiel wrote:
for me the vlc stream works for about 3 sec and then stops :S worked perfectly until hitting 18:30. Live reporting would be much appreciated as a result!

Try opening it in windows media player, VLC stream doesnt work for me either. Click the link and have it open with WMP.

You are my hero! thanks alot for the tip.
Backho fan since 080416. Favourite terran: Mind. Favourite Zerg: Jaedong.
toshi
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Poland469 Posts
January 09 2009 09:51 GMT
#90
I'm waiting for bisu games.
pro-
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27154 Posts
January 09 2009 09:52 GMT
#91
Wow Ruby is playing really well.
ModeratorGodfather
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 09:52 GMT
#92
Lol, hero loses defilers to marines, very sloppy play here. Defilers come in through the nydus to stall. THe third gas is not down yet.

Scourge come in and kill a vessel.

Not looking good for hero though, =(
We see things they'll never see
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 09:52:33
January 09 2009 09:52 GMT
#93
2 Defilers got uselessly destroyed

another sv dies

the dark swarm prevents the rape of the 3rd

plague on the marine medic group


all vessels die
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27154 Posts
January 09 2009 09:52 GMT
#94
On January 09 2009 18:51 toshi wrote:
I'm waiting for bisu games.


Then you are missing out
ModeratorGodfather
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 09:53 GMT
#95
Dual drop going in for Zerg's main. Zerg spots it but marines, fb, medics still drop. Ruby takes a third and there's little Hero can do now =(.
We see things they'll never see
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
January 09 2009 09:53 GMT
#96
More starship troopers dropped into by.hero's main

Ruby attempts to micro against 5 burrowed lurkers in a line

he kills a few before pulling out
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Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
January 09 2009 09:53 GMT
#97
Ruby's multitasking is kicking in, dropping while attacking the front nat same time! hero can't keep up!!
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 09:55:22
January 09 2009 09:54 GMT
#98
3rd is forced to lift


commentators note that the lack of a 4th gas for by.hero is hurting him badly, a very true fact as ruby seems to be getting more and more further ahead

plague on own sunken
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Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 09:55 GMT
#99
Hero clinging for dear life of his third gas. He needs ultras, but the extra gas can't kick in.

We see things they'll never see
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 09:55 GMT
#100
Terran has like 200/200 bio...

There's no way Ruby can lose this. He could 1a2a3a4a5a and still win.
We see things they'll never see
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
January 09 2009 09:56 GMT
#101
Another drop coming from ruby.

Tech going down at hero's nat.

It's all over but the gg...
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
January 09 2009 09:56 GMT
#102
double dropship in main , the dropship attack is semi successful

but the main force

JI OO KEH (eraser) - drones get slaughtered(?)

so many vessels
a
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
January 09 2009 09:57 GMT
#103
hero does manage to push ruby out and avoid losing his cavern. (and streamfreeze)
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 09:57 GMT
#104
LOL Hero, Consumed an Ultra.
We see things they'll never see
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 09 2009 09:57 GMT
#105
seems like Ruby learned alot under Sea
Lets hope he didn't learn how to fail in RO32 and RO16 from Sea too.
dats racist
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
January 09 2009 09:58 GMT
#106
hero types out, gg.
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 09:58 GMT
#107
And there's the GG. Looks like a quick 2-0 from Ruby.
We see things they'll never see
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 09:59:41
January 09 2009 09:58 GMT
#108
hero's macro was really horrible that game..
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 09:59:06
January 09 2009 09:58 GMT
#109
gg by (Z)by.hero. In the end, ruby played solid as hell. An extremely standard, yet still fun to watch, game of TvZ (imo).
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Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
January 09 2009 09:59 GMT
#110
Ruby schooled by.hero pretty badly there. Hopefully the zerg hope can at least make it a fight in the second game.
Backho fan since 080416. Favourite terran: Mind. Favourite Zerg: Jaedong.
Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1688 Posts
January 09 2009 09:59 GMT
#111
Does anyone still need a stream?
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
January 09 2009 10:00 GMT
#112
wow that black MBC sweatshirt looks so pimp!
ModeratorResident K-POP Elitist
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27154 Posts
January 09 2009 10:00 GMT
#113
On January 09 2009 18:58 SaveYourSavior wrote:
gg by (Z)by.hero. In the end, ruby played solid as hell. An extremely standard, yet still fun to watch, game of TvZ (imo).


Totally agree
ModeratorGodfather
FusionCutter
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada974 Posts
January 09 2009 10:00 GMT
#114
I do.. what do you have?
machinebloodprogram
Profile Joined December 2008
United States245 Posts
January 09 2009 10:01 GMT
#115
offtopic but, whats the name of that rapping korean girl commercial?
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
January 09 2009 10:01 GMT
#116
On January 09 2009 18:59 Zidane wrote:
Does anyone still need a stream?

I do, vlc and corinthos's are laggy for me :/
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 09 2009 10:02 GMT
#117
On January 09 2009 19:00 LosingID8 wrote:
wow that black MBC sweatshirt looks so pimp!

yeah when I saw it on the MSL selection, I thought to myself "wow that is really cool, I want one too"
dats racist
PeAcY6969
Profile Joined January 2008
France621 Posts
January 09 2009 10:02 GMT
#118
Ruby roxx :p
"MBCGame HERO... What Else ?"
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 09 2009 10:02 GMT
#119
On January 09 2009 19:01 machinebloodprogram wrote:
offtopic but, whats the name of that rapping korean girl commercial?

I'm not on stream, but is she eating an icecream?
dats racist
Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1688 Posts
January 09 2009 10:02 GMT
#120
Here's a stream I'm putting up off my own comp of the VLC

66.75.241.180:1234

There is no actual stream sound, but you will hear me talking to my friends on vent, so if you're gonna be annoyed mute the sound =/
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
January 09 2009 10:02 GMT
#121
On January 09 2009 19:01 Itachii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 18:59 Zidane wrote:
Does anyone still need a stream?

I do, vlc and corinthos's are laggy for me :/

did you try both wmp and vlc? wmp lags for some reason but vlc works great. but some people have it the other way around
bioboyAT
Profile Joined July 2004
Austria1763 Posts
January 09 2009 10:03 GMT
#122
yeah nice and solid owning by ruby
Milchmann | DeadVessel: Milchmann pwns. I fail.
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
January 09 2009 10:04 GMT
#123
Yea I did, both laggy
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
neshima
Profile Joined December 2007
37 Posts
January 09 2009 10:05 GMT
#124
wow... maple story commercial has cute red-riding hoods yes?
oov.bisu.haran.leta
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
January 09 2009 10:06 GMT
#125
On January 09 2009 19:02 Zidane wrote:
Here's a stream I'm putting up off my own comp of the VLC

66.75.241.180:1234

There is no actual stream sound, but you will hear me talking to my friends on vent, so if you're gonna be annoyed mute the sound =/


I have a stream, but that is very nice of you!
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
January 09 2009 10:07 GMT
#126
On January 09 2009 19:02 Zidane wrote:
Here's a stream I'm putting up off my own comp of the VLC

66.75.241.180:1234

There is no actual stream sound, but you will hear me talking to my friends on vent, so if you're gonna be annoyed mute the sound =/

This also doesnt work for me , but thanks alot for trying at least^^
Looks like all streams are against me today :D
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 10:09:26
January 09 2009 10:07 GMT
#127
It has begun the 2nd set

11 o clock By . Hero

6.30 o clock Ruby
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Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
January 09 2009 10:08 GMT
#128
Game 2 starting. Ruby building depot in front on natural, I hope this means mech build
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
January 09 2009 10:09 GMT
#129
Gas before pool for hero.

14 CC by Ruby.
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 10:10:53
January 09 2009 10:09 GMT
#130
Ruby seems to be going m&m route

2 hatchery spire from by.hero
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Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 10:10:51
January 09 2009 10:09 GMT
#131
By.Hero with a fast gas, from which i'd assume some sort of two hatch build.

EIther lurkers or muta, it's too hard to say right now. Ruby Walls off and expands before getting any rines. What a bastard...

Edit: My bad apparently it was a 14CC from ruby...
We see things they'll never see
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
January 09 2009 10:11 GMT
#132
Academy down, ebay coming.

Looks like hero is going 2hat mutas. If ruby gets turrets early, this'll be an uphill battle for zerg
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:11 GMT
#133
By.hero gettings another hatch at his mineral only and Terran with his acad up plops down two more Raxes.
We see things they'll never see
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
January 09 2009 10:11 GMT
#134
Sorry if my live reporting is slightly wrong i'll edit it out I am a bit sleepy

3rd hatchery finishes at the natural for by.hero as spire finishes
a
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:12 GMT
#135
Ruby also already has an engineering bay and 3 medics. He has 3 medics and 3 rines, probably got the medics to get early mana. Ruby turreting up now for mutalisk.
We see things they'll never see
Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
January 09 2009 10:12 GMT
#136
sexy turret placements!
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:13 GMT
#137
Muta harass commences but top-notch turret placement deflects it. He gets 2 rines + 2 scvs so far. Not bad, he hasn't lost any mutas yet.
We see things they'll never see
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
January 09 2009 10:13 GMT
#138
The mutalisk "harass" begins

Mutalisks get harassed by missile turrets, but they do kill a couple marines and an scv
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AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
January 09 2009 10:13 GMT
#139
I really like hero's build, I'm using this exact one vs 1rax on colo , 2 hat muta timing with early third base. easy to get 3 base vs a mech build also.
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:13 GMT
#140
Muta harrass doing really well, he kills some more units and hasn't lost a muta yet.
We see things they'll never see
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
January 09 2009 10:14 GMT
#141
By.Hero after picking off about 7-9 units finally loses a muta
a
Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
January 09 2009 10:14 GMT
#142
there goes first muta, but still good harass
Backho fan since 080416. Favourite terran: Mind. Favourite Zerg: Jaedong.
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:14 GMT
#143
Hero with a hydra den already and is taking his fourth or third gas.

Lurkers are coming out and the queens nest is already building.
We see things they'll never see
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
January 09 2009 10:15 GMT
#144
This is a very nice harass despite hero's great turret placement.

Z getting Queen's, T placing more rax...
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
January 09 2009 10:15 GMT
#145
Z has more supply than T. :o
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:16 GMT
#146
Hero parks his lurkers out to hit the supply depot used in the earlier wall.

Tanks are coming out and he's building his science facility.

More lurkers come for hero and his teching to hive. Ruby needs to be able to do something with his first vessel push.
We see things they'll never see
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:16 GMT
#147
Zerg has about 10 more supply than Terran. Hahaha
We see things they'll never see
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
January 09 2009 10:16 GMT
#148
Defiler mound and greater spire coming!
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 10:17:33
January 09 2009 10:16 GMT
#149
defiler mound and greater spire morphing
hero looking very strong
toshi
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Poland469 Posts
January 09 2009 10:16 GMT
#150
why mms://liveongame.gscdn.com/L1 works 10 sec and then die ;/
pro-
Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
January 09 2009 10:17 GMT
#151
zerg in a good position here, he'll have swarm soon!

liked his bo as well, really nice opening
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 10:17:59
January 09 2009 10:17 GMT
#152
By.Hero showing great mutalisk control, picking off a tank


i may be a noob but i wonder why hero didn't go mutalisks in the 1st game
a
plaszczka
Profile Joined August 2007
Poland376 Posts
January 09 2009 10:17 GMT
#153
Thanks for reporting
I apologize for all my english mistakes. I used to write really good senteces in this lenguage, but nowadays, i smoke too much weed and drink too much vodka. So you must forgive me :)
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
January 09 2009 10:17 GMT
#154
Vessel sniped by mutas! Lurkers have taken down the temples!
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:17 GMT
#155
Defiler mound going down as well as Guardians. First vessel is out. Many mnmf and 3 tanks are going to push out right now. Ruby needs to do something with this.

Lurkers are killing the temples.

Hero snipes a tank! Absolutley no-no from Ruby.

HE SNIPES THE VESSEL. Another one replaces it, but guardians are coming. Hes going to need those vessels.
We see things they'll never see
Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
January 09 2009 10:17 GMT
#156
nice muta sniping! killed both a tank and a vessel!
Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
January 09 2009 10:17 GMT
#157
killed first vessel!
Backho fan since 080416. Favourite terran: Mind. Favourite Zerg: Jaedong.
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
January 09 2009 10:18 GMT
#158
Does anyone have the low quality Daum link to open in IE?
Today's streams>polish people ~~
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
WingSandrockX
Profile Joined January 2007
Korea (North)1164 Posts
January 09 2009 10:18 GMT
#159
--- Nuked ---
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27154 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 10:19:25
January 09 2009 10:18 GMT
#160
OMG WHAT WAS THAT HERO ;;;;;;;;

edit- he is still in good shape, but he just wasted a ton of his army for nothing
ModeratorGodfather
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
January 09 2009 10:18 GMT
#161
He's morphing like 10 guardians...
Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
January 09 2009 10:18 GMT
#162
wasteage there from hero, let like 5 lurks die T_T
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:18 GMT
#163
Zerg stalling the ball with his lurker/ling for defilers and his guardians to pop. Guardians are morphing outside Ruby's nautral. Scourge gets the vessel! and Darkswarm is out.

This is gg for Ruby.
We see things they'll never see
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
January 09 2009 10:19 GMT
#164
Many vessels essentially dying. The lack of SVs lets guardians eat up the natural of the terran
a
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
January 09 2009 10:19 GMT
#165
ling raid in the back door. ruby is fucked
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:20 GMT
#166
Guardians are out, he can't push out to zerg's base, guardians are razing Terran's natural.

Ruby has a ball of mnm, 4 tanks and a vessel to do something.

Wraiths are coming out, but scourge kills wraiths. This is hard for Ruby.

Zerglings make Ruby's min only to lift.
We see things they'll never see
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
January 09 2009 10:20 GMT
#167
Scourage snpe the wraith trying to defend vs guards. Lings fly in the back door to take down T's 3rd!
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
January 09 2009 10:20 GMT
#168
Zerglings rush in the backdoor to the natural, forces a lift guardians parked inside of Ruby's main, scourges pick off threats such as wraiths
a
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:20 GMT
#169
Ruby only has his last mnm/2 vessel/5 tank ball left. And he cant do anything with it. Guardians are essentially cleaned up with only two remaining.
We see things they'll never see
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
January 09 2009 10:21 GMT
#170
wow hero loves suiciding units wtf
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
January 09 2009 10:21 GMT
#171
wow 20 or so lings just died there -___-
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
January 09 2009 10:21 GMT
#172
Another zergling attack on natural but marines+ 1 firebat > cracklings
a
GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
January 09 2009 10:21 GMT
#173
Both streams (VLC and corinthos') went messy about the same time.
Strangely enough the VLC stream seems far ahead. slideshow on both fronts makes me a sad panda :S
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
January 09 2009 10:22 GMT
#174
Defense matrix firebat to lure lurkers! but Ruby ends up losing too many marines anyways
a
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:22 GMT
#175
Ruby is on 5-base and Ultras are/ or should be around the corner.Ruby with an mnm ball and 2 vessels charge into lurkers. I thought he was going to pull it off for a second. Ruby's running out of options, time is running out/
We see things they'll never see
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
January 09 2009 10:22 GMT
#176
lol @ hero's macro
Administrator
Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
January 09 2009 10:22 GMT
#177
ruby tough cookie to crack though, solid defences
wtflah
Profile Joined October 2008
United States92 Posts
January 09 2009 10:23 GMT
#178
- No Daum Sports
- YaoYuan only works 15% of the time.
- VLC plays for a couple seconds, buffers a few seconds, repeats until it gets perfect audio and slideshow
- P2P only MSL.
- Corinthos's MSl stream works miles better than his OSLs (which works 15% of the time)

After all that, I truly do appreciate the efforts especially Corinthos's, just wish I could watch it :|
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:23 GMT
#179
Ruby cleans up zerg forces infront of his natural and Hero looks like he only has zerglings and scourge.

Zerg coming in from the back to his mineral only again. Terran is force to lift once again.

The ultralisk den is up now.
We see things they'll never see
Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
January 09 2009 10:23 GMT
#180
he got like 4-5 bases and yet only 1 evo chamber?
Backho fan since 080416. Favourite terran: Mind. Favourite Zerg: Jaedong.
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
January 09 2009 10:24 GMT
#181
An FPvod of Ruby's decent korean speed

Another lift in his natural due to lurkers and lings

By.Hero's 5 bases allow him to slowly whittle Ruby away while Ruby is stuck in 2.4 bases
a
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:24 GMT
#182
He probably has like 5000/5000 and is just popping like 15 ultralisk.
We see things they'll never see
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7809 Posts
January 09 2009 10:24 GMT
#183
That was pretty fucking sick! D matrixed marine
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 09 2009 10:25 GMT
#184
Wow, 3000 minerals? Imagine him with 120 more lings.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Chameleon
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States604 Posts
January 09 2009 10:25 GMT
#185
he actually has had 3000+ minerals for a long ass time
TL's #1 Horang2 fan
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
January 09 2009 10:25 GMT
#186
gg, 1-1
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:25 GMT
#187
Clutch Firebat defends the mineral only against a horde of zerglings.

Ruby Finally doing some pressuring, 4 vessels and mnmf force threatening Zerg's fifth base.

It's gg though, Hero comes in through the front door.

GG
We see things they'll never see
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
January 09 2009 10:25 GMT
#188
stream of zerg units + defiler in ruby's base

gg from ruby
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machinebloodprogram
Profile Joined December 2008
United States245 Posts
January 09 2009 10:26 GMT
#189
On January 09 2009 19:02 MrHoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 19:01 machinebloodprogram wrote:
offtopic but, whats the name of that rapping korean girl commercial?

I'm not on stream, but is she eating an icecream?


i think so
Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
January 09 2009 10:26 GMT
#190
ruby looks pissed off!

he should try the mech build on medussa
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8090 Posts
January 09 2009 10:26 GMT
#191
On January 09 2009 19:23 wtflah wrote:
- No Daum Sports
- YaoYuan only works 15% of the time.
- VLC plays for a couple seconds, buffers a few seconds, repeats until it gets perfect audio and slideshow
- P2P only MSL.
- Corinthos's MSl stream works miles better than his OSLs (which works 15% of the time)

After all that, I truly do appreciate the efforts especially Corinthos's, just wish I could watch it :|

Man dont whine, if you cant get a stream bad luck but be grateful for when you can
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
January 09 2009 10:27 GMT
#192
The VLC works 100% fine for me, it may be because I got a very early slot in it by joining a few minutes early keke
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WingSandrockX
Profile Joined January 2007
Korea (North)1164 Posts
January 09 2009 10:28 GMT
#193
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Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:28 GMT
#194
By.Hero needs a hair cut.
We see things they'll never see
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
January 09 2009 10:28 GMT
#195
keep trying with those streams. i exited vlc and tried to go back then it started to go whack then i tried wmp and it worked
wtflah
Profile Joined October 2008
United States92 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 10:29:13
January 09 2009 10:28 GMT
#196
On January 09 2009 19:26 Scaramanga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 19:23 wtflah wrote:
- No Daum Sports
- YaoYuan only works 15% of the time.
- VLC plays for a couple seconds, buffers a few seconds, repeats until it gets perfect audio and slideshow
- P2P only MSL.
- Corinthos's MSl stream works miles better than his OSLs (which works 15% of the time)

After all that, I truly do appreciate the efforts especially Corinthos's, just wish I could watch it :|

Man dont whine, if you cant get a stream bad luck but be grateful for when you can

Did I not just say I appreciated the efforts by the streams, it was ONE post.

Do you seriously have to be so antagonizing?

Anyway, Corinthos's MSL stream works for me now.
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:29 GMT
#197
Hero, Beige zerg top left.

Ruby, red Terran Top right.

On Byzantium I believe.
We see things they'll never see
Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
January 09 2009 10:29 GMT
#198
On January 09 2009 19:28 WingSandrockX wrote:
Damn...hope Ruby wins! Hate By.hero for knocking oov out lol

thx corinthos for the stream, it some how works now


in the game against oov, he showed some sick muta micro -_-
PlutoNZ
Profile Joined February 2008
New Zealand410 Posts
January 09 2009 10:29 GMT
#199
So score is + Show Spoiler +
1-1?
I missed first game.
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27154 Posts
January 09 2009 10:30 GMT
#200
Nice that they started up again so quickly... but all twilight tilesets are ugh. Everything looks the same.
ModeratorGodfather
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:30 GMT
#201
12 Hatch build coming for zerg and Terran lays down his rax. No 14CC here,
We see things they'll never see
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
January 09 2009 10:31 GMT
#202
standard as can be although ruby made no marines before CC
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Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:31 GMT
#203
LOL instead it's a 15 CC

>.>
We see things they'll never see
darkemperor
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Turkey725 Posts
January 09 2009 10:31 GMT
#204
1789th match will be Bisu win
#1 Kim Taek Yong Fan <3 || Legend of the Fall // Fall of the Legend
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:31 GMT
#205
Second rax before any rines.

The new thing is no rines? >.>
We see things they'll never see
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 10:32:19
January 09 2009 10:32 GMT
#206
15 cc? 2 rax before rines
go ruby!
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 10:33:55
January 09 2009 10:33 GMT
#207
Besides the greedy non-14CC opening of Ruby, things seem to be very normal

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Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:34 GMT
#208
Ruby does a run past the sukens and parks himself out of sunken range in the natural.

Hero with spire coming out and 2 lings in Ruby's main.
We see things they'll never see
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 10:35:30
January 09 2009 10:34 GMT
#209
By.Hero takes out a handful of SCV's with 3 lings, distracting with 6 on the ramped m& m force while Ruby runs by sunkens on the right side to snipe out by.hero's natural gas


the tiny m&m force momentarily forces drones to escape the natural before mutas take em out
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Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:35 GMT
#210
Mutalisk are out and clean up the run past forces. Looks pretty bad for Ruby if Hero can do some decent Muta harass.
We see things they'll never see
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
January 09 2009 10:36 GMT
#211
Hero parks mutas and uses zerglings to go in

GG might be near!
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Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:36 GMT
#212
Zerglings are coming down for Hero. It loooks like GG for Ruby, Mutaling cleans up the mnm forces.

This is gg.
We see things they'll never see
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 10:36:42
January 09 2009 10:36 GMT
#213
shit ruby doesnt have enough units to defend muta ling

wow that was fucking great timing by hero
EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
January 09 2009 10:36 GMT
#214
yay I get to watch bisu pvz
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
January 09 2009 10:36 GMT
#215
wtf.
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
January 09 2009 10:36 GMT
#216
what did hero type?

lol gg!
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:36 GMT
#217
Lawl, that was a stupid stupid run-by.

Ruby even knows he should've won that.

He looks really pissed.
We see things they'll never see
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
January 09 2009 10:36 GMT
#218
Ruby's lost a lot of rines. Took out Hero's nat gas and forced hero to stop mining before mutas were able to mop up the inf. Not a lot of defense for mutas...

Stream freezes and it's back. I think the muta harass must have killed Ruby?
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
January 09 2009 10:37 GMT
#219
Ruby hangs his head in utter shame and is crying
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Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
January 09 2009 10:37 GMT
#220
now hero just have to beat measly bisu and my prediction comes true!
Backho fan since 080416. Favourite terran: Mind. Favourite Zerg: Jaedong.
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27154 Posts
January 09 2009 10:37 GMT
#221
That was a terrible decision for a run-by by Ruby. He should have scanned the main first, or gotten faster turrets.
ModeratorGodfather
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:37 GMT
#222
I think Hero typed gg, except gg in korean keyboard is what you saw.
We see things they'll never see
spydernoob
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada1066 Posts
January 09 2009 10:38 GMT
#223
was that firebathero in the crowd. looked alot like him
wraiths go pew pew
WingSandrockX
Profile Joined January 2007
Korea (North)1164 Posts
January 09 2009 10:38 GMT
#224
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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
January 09 2009 10:38 GMT
#225
haha bisu has the "I will rape another noob today" smile on his face
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
January 09 2009 10:38 GMT
#226
WOW! I was NOT expecting Ruby to go out against a zerg.
impressive!
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
January 09 2009 10:39 GMT
#227
Ruby typed x x

then Hero typed something like o x o or something similar lol!
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
January 09 2009 10:39 GMT
#228
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck that
Terran & Potato Salad.
Proposal
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1310 Posts
January 09 2009 10:39 GMT
#229
lol awsome backstab + ruby decided to sacrifice his m&m control to kill the geyser
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
January 09 2009 10:40 GMT
#230
I think they're explaining Go strategy. Sweet.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36379 Posts
January 09 2009 10:41 GMT
#231
hahah bisu laughing that hes playing a Z
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DownMaxX
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada1311 Posts
January 09 2009 10:41 GMT
#232
Aw Ruby.
parasite
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 10:42:57
January 09 2009 10:41 GMT
#233
The most weirdest commercials in a while

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PlutoNZ
Profile Joined February 2008
New Zealand410 Posts
January 09 2009 10:43 GMT
#234
For the Swarm!
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
January 09 2009 10:43 GMT
#235
Time for some BISU!
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:44 GMT
#236
Bisu is going to eat some zergling cereal.
We see things they'll never see
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
January 09 2009 10:45 GMT
#237
Heros's strategic transitions in game 2 were fucking sick. I have no clue why every terran who isn't in the top 3-4 terrans isn't going mech. I mean even upmagic is now beating jaedong .....
neshima
Profile Joined December 2007
37 Posts
January 09 2009 10:45 GMT
#238
omg hot girls and chicken!
oov.bisu.haran.leta
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
January 09 2009 10:45 GMT
#239
The giant rabbit thing really makes me want to play that game
BW forever || Thall
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
January 09 2009 10:46 GMT
#240
On January 09 2009 19:41 Hot_Bid wrote:
hahah bisu laughing that hes playing a Z


He was probably training PvT.
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 09 2009 10:46 GMT
#241
On January 09 2009 19:45 AttackZerg wrote:
Heros's strategic transitions in game 2 were fucking sick. I have no clue why every terran who isn't in the top 3-4 terrans isn't going mech. I mean even upmagic is now beating jaedong .....

according to Flash, against smart players it gets very difficult to use Mech

And cmon, you have to admit JD played terribly against Upmagic.
dats racist
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36379 Posts
January 09 2009 10:47 GMT
#242
bisu is probably surprised and clearly thrilled to be playing a zerg. sea said ruby is the scariest player in the mbc house, and i presume bisu knew how good ruby is/was from his time on mbc before moving to skt1.

but there's more at stake playing against by.hero, bisu's 2300++ rating, which would drop quite steeply if he even drops one game. fortunately the maps are balanced or favoring protoss, i can't see bisu losing unless hero does some really well executed all in. even that is really hard, bisu's first probe is insane.
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AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
January 09 2009 10:50 GMT
#243
On January 09 2009 19:46 MrHoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 19:45 AttackZerg wrote:
Heros's strategic transitions in game 2 were fucking sick. I have no clue why every terran who isn't in the top 3-4 terrans isn't going mech. I mean even upmagic is now beating jaedong .....

according to Flash, against smart players it gets very difficult to use Mech

And cmon, you have to admit JD played terribly against Upmagic.



I don't consider by.hero a smart player. I think lower tier terrans should use it by default.

Jaedong plays terribly most games against mech. So does savior/july/luxur and effort. I think mech is a good idea for most terranns
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27154 Posts
January 09 2009 10:50 GMT
#244
This will be a good indication of his upcoming MSL group too, as hero has to be on the same tier as zero and magma.
ModeratorGodfather
ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 10:55:20
January 09 2009 10:51 GMT
#245
edit: ignore I fail
Bisu. The one and only. // Save the cheerreaver, save the world (of SC2)
selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
January 09 2009 10:51 GMT
#246
Poor by.hero... Now he must get CRUSHED by the PvZ king! GOGO BISU!
"That's what happens when you're using a mouse made out of glass!" -Tasteless (Referring to ZergBong)
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
January 09 2009 10:51 GMT
#247
On January 09 2009 19:50 Manifesto7 wrote:
This will be a good indication of his upcoming MSL group too, as hero has to be on the same tier as zero and magma.

maybe, or maybe not. the map poll is completely different
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 09 2009 10:52 GMT
#248
On January 09 2009 19:50 AttackZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 19:46 MrHoon wrote:
On January 09 2009 19:45 AttackZerg wrote:
Heros's strategic transitions in game 2 were fucking sick. I have no clue why every terran who isn't in the top 3-4 terrans isn't going mech. I mean even upmagic is now beating jaedong .....

according to Flash, against smart players it gets very difficult to use Mech

And cmon, you have to admit JD played terribly against Upmagic.



I don't consider by.hero a smart player. I think lower tier terrans should use it by default.

Jaedong plays terribly most games against mech. So does savior/july/luxur and effort. I think mech is a good idea for most terranns

Eh, JD does have a bad history with mech I guess but Flash (who brought back the use of Mech build) has more games lost using mech than won (lol). I dunno, when Luxury played against Mech he actually did a pretty good job beating it down at MST.
dats racist
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
January 09 2009 10:53 GMT
#249
On January 09 2009 19:50 Manifesto7 wrote:
This will be a good indication of his upcoming MSL group too, as hero has to be on the same tier as zero and magma.


I think zero and magma are both underrated zerg power houses.

Zero has the most flaweless muta control in the game right now, and supposedly daniel lee himself says magma is one of the best zergs he's seen, but tv nerves get him down.


Bisu should destroy by.hero regardless.
neshima
Profile Joined December 2007
37 Posts
January 09 2009 10:53 GMT
#250
ugly booth girls =(
oov.bisu.haran.leta
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
January 09 2009 10:54 GMT
#251
Game starts - Bisu at 2 hero at 6.
Proposal
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1310 Posts
January 09 2009 10:54 GMT
#252
3-6 by.herO lol bisu should mop up IMO
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
January 09 2009 10:54 GMT
#253
wow bisu FE on this map seems to be impossible
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
January 09 2009 10:54 GMT
#254
On January 09 2009 19:51 ondik wrote:
For everyone having troubles with stream - just go to http://live.plu.cn/hanguo/ and then click on PPS it's working perfectly! (the stream is little bit behind though)

Not working for me.. It gives me the little symbol indicating a picture is loading, then procedes to give me the red x. Do I need to have some kind of player installed? Sorry I don't watch the streams often..
"That's what happens when you're using a mouse made out of glass!" -Tasteless (Referring to ZergBong)
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27154 Posts
January 09 2009 10:55 GMT
#255
On January 09 2009 19:51 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 19:50 Manifesto7 wrote:
This will be a good indication of his upcoming MSL group too, as hero has to be on the same tier as zero and magma.

maybe, or maybe not. the map poll is completely different


Yeah, very true.
ModeratorGodfather
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
January 09 2009 10:55 GMT
#256
On January 09 2009 19:52 MrHoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 19:50 AttackZerg wrote:
On January 09 2009 19:46 MrHoon wrote:
On January 09 2009 19:45 AttackZerg wrote:
Heros's strategic transitions in game 2 were fucking sick. I have no clue why every terran who isn't in the top 3-4 terrans isn't going mech. I mean even upmagic is now beating jaedong .....

according to Flash, against smart players it gets very difficult to use Mech

And cmon, you have to admit JD played terribly against Upmagic.



I don't consider by.hero a smart player. I think lower tier terrans should use it by default.

Jaedong plays terribly most games against mech. So does savior/july/luxur and effort. I think mech is a good idea for most terranns

Eh, JD does have a bad history with mech I guess but Flash (who brought back the use of Mech build) has more games lost using mech than won (lol). I dunno, when Luxury played against Mech he actually did a pretty good job beating it down at MST.



Check our luxury vs Forgg, then watch jaedong vs flash from the same day, terran did the same build both games . In the mst he(lux) was super solid I agree.

Where do you get your 'Mech' stats from flash? I am pretty sure they might be wrong.
WingSandrockX
Profile Joined January 2007
Korea (North)1164 Posts
January 09 2009 10:55 GMT
#257
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Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
January 09 2009 10:55 GMT
#258
Both players scout in the right direction.

hero going pool at 9 (overpool?)

Standard forge fe for the toss king.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36379 Posts
January 09 2009 10:55 GMT
#259
there has to be a reason why all Ts aren't going mech, its not fool proof that its better than bio, look at hyuk rampaging through mech in his group. mbc though seems to be avoiding it, sea and light don't mech often thus ruby doesn't.
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Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:56 GMT
#260
Lol Bisu's first probe...

Must be sooooo annoying for zergs...
We see things they'll never see
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36379 Posts
January 09 2009 10:56 GMT
#261
imo if you're playing vs bisu, you almost have to 9p or 9ps, then kill scout and either allin or expo behind. letting him 14nex and letting his probe see everything is basically autodeath.
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Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:57 GMT
#262
Once his harass comes into play, its hard to keep up with his multi-tasking.
We see things they'll never see
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
January 09 2009 10:58 GMT
#263
3 hatch hydra break coming up
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
January 09 2009 10:58 GMT
#264
GO BISU!
Brood War loyalist
selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
January 09 2009 10:58 GMT
#265
Can someone please help with the stream? The live updating just isn't doing it for me. I must see Bisu play D:
"That's what happens when you're using a mouse made out of glass!" -Tasteless (Referring to ZergBong)
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:58 GMT
#266
Looks like he's doing some sort of All-in Hydra break.

Thats the right move, I dont think he'd have a chance aganst bisu any other way. Hopefully Bisu spots it.
We see things they'll never see
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
January 09 2009 10:58 GMT
#267
Hydra den going down. Lots of lings made. Looks like an allin...
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
January 09 2009 10:59 GMT
#268
shitttt bisu doesn't know about the backdoor!
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
January 09 2009 10:59 GMT
#269
On January 09 2009 19:55 Hot_Bid wrote:
there has to be a reason why all Ts aren't going mech, its not fool proof that its better than bio, look at hyuk rampaging through mech in his group. mbc though seems to be avoiding it, sea and light don't mech often thus ruby doesn't.



Most of the super strong terrans don't use mech, because there is a skill cap. While there is no skill cap for bio play.

Sea/fbh/hwasin/forgg/mind all have such strong marine play it doesn't make since to switch.

I don't think mech is better then bio, perfect bio feels impossible to beat, its just that for terrans like fantasy or upmagic who don't have strong tvz bionic play it allows them to be more creative and beat zergs who are much better then them at 'standard' play.

Fantasy beating ggplay was an obscene injustice to zerg fans everywhere .

Upmagic beating any zerg is complete injustice .
Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
January 09 2009 10:59 GMT
#270
ooo bisu ^ ^
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 09 2009 10:59 GMT
#271
On January 09 2009 19:55 AttackZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 19:52 MrHoon wrote:
On January 09 2009 19:50 AttackZerg wrote:
On January 09 2009 19:46 MrHoon wrote:
On January 09 2009 19:45 AttackZerg wrote:
Heros's strategic transitions in game 2 were fucking sick. I have no clue why every terran who isn't in the top 3-4 terrans isn't going mech. I mean even upmagic is now beating jaedong .....

according to Flash, against smart players it gets very difficult to use Mech

And cmon, you have to admit JD played terribly against Upmagic.



I don't consider by.hero a smart player. I think lower tier terrans should use it by default.

Jaedong plays terribly most games against mech. So does savior/july/luxur and effort. I think mech is a good idea for most terranns

Eh, JD does have a bad history with mech I guess but Flash (who brought back the use of Mech build) has more games lost using mech than won (lol). I dunno, when Luxury played against Mech he actually did a pretty good job beating it down at MST.



Check our luxury vs Forgg, then watch jaedong vs flash from the same day, terran did the same build both games . In the mst he(lux) was super solid I agree.

Where do you get your 'Mech' stats from flash? I am pretty sure they might be wrong.

No stats lol, just guessed considering he lost alot of games using Mech in Zerg these days (including last season)

The thing about KTF vs Lecaf team is that the whole Lecaf team was trying to figure out how to fight back Mech build, and the best solution they came up with was "Deflect the first vulture wave by blocking 2nd hatch entrance using Evo Chambers and every building". And JD vs Flash, since it was the same build JD knew there is a very very small timing hole within that build. However, the only thing Flash did different was he built a CC instead of building an engineering bay widening the vulnerability which JD exploited.

btw what are we talking about?
dats racist
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 10:59 GMT
#272
All-in zerglings. are going.

Lots of zerglings make it in. and raping bisus main. LOTS of probes go down. But Bisu defends it the problem now is the hydras.
We see things they'll never see
Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
January 09 2009 11:00 GMT
#273
this map is just made to not allow bisu build
Backho fan since 080416. Favourite terran: Mind. Favourite Zerg: Jaedong.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
January 09 2009 11:00 GMT
#274
you dont FE on this map
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
January 09 2009 11:00 GMT
#275
what on earth

how did bisu survive o.o
wash uffitizi, drive me to firenze
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 11:01:05
January 09 2009 11:00 GMT
#276
new maps huh? it's gg for bisu
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 11:01 GMT
#277
This is gg for Bisu. Fucking all-ins....
We see things they'll never see
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
January 09 2009 11:01 GMT
#278
GG! Wow.
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 11:01:56
January 09 2009 11:01 GMT
#279
I saw Bisu gg in my slideshow.

ROFL
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
SaveYourSavior
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 11:02:21
January 09 2009 11:01 GMT
#280
ugh

by.gay

but that really was bisu's mistake for FE on a map with open backdoor
a
DownMaxX
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada1311 Posts
January 09 2009 11:01 GMT
#281
LOL I just tuned in to see by.hero rushing the backdoor with hydras.

Tears of the Moon Z>FE
parasite
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
January 09 2009 11:01 GMT
#282
<3 By.hero, just 1 more!
sAviOr...
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
January 09 2009 11:01 GMT
#283
I bet bisu played pvz on this map for the first time... its not possible to FE for fuck sake KTY !
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
DM20
Profile Joined September 2008
Canada544 Posts
January 09 2009 11:02 GMT
#284
and down goes the elo
Weryeery
Profile Joined June 2008
288 Posts
January 09 2009 11:02 GMT
#285
it was a rape :'(
Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
January 09 2009 11:02 GMT
#286
gg!
One ring, to rule them all!
selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
January 09 2009 11:02 GMT
#287
Hellz yeah im on!!
"That's what happens when you're using a mouse made out of glass!" -Tasteless (Referring to ZergBong)
benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
January 09 2009 11:02 GMT
#288
lol at that cheeful
wash uffitizi, drive me to firenze
jac
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden115 Posts
January 09 2009 11:02 GMT
#289
On January 09 2009 20:01 Camlito wrote:
<3 By.hero, just 1 more!

Loving it.
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 09 2009 11:02 GMT
#290
Tears of the Moon was made to be a more Zerg friendly map because so many zerg players bitched at mapmakers saying the maps arent fair (hence the reason why the mapmakers were generous to make a large platform dedicated for overlords) and lotsa minerals spread out

I like this map though lol.
dats racist
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
January 09 2009 11:03 GMT
#291
What a rape.
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
January 09 2009 11:03 GMT
#292
by.hero's ELO is 2049, lol.
BW forever || Thall
selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
January 09 2009 11:03 GMT
#293
erm.. i might have fucked up somewhere I'm watching a zvt.... ugh.. where'd i fuck up?:
"That's what happens when you're using a mouse made out of glass!" -Tasteless (Referring to ZergBong)
DownMaxX
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada1311 Posts
January 09 2009 11:03 GMT
#294
On closer inspection, turns out Bisu is on my fantasy OSL team, so he better win this. -_-
parasite
LimitlessSky
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States434 Posts
January 09 2009 11:03 GMT
#295
How nice

"Boys are Ambitious"
SKT1 Fighting! <3
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
January 09 2009 11:03 GMT
#296
bisu just dropped like 50 elo points
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36379 Posts
January 09 2009 11:03 GMT
#297
well

there goes ELO peak lol
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
WingSandrockX
Profile Joined January 2007
Korea (North)1164 Posts
January 09 2009 11:03 GMT
#298
--- Nuked ---
humblegar
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Norway883 Posts
January 09 2009 11:04 GMT
#299
The elo thing is nice and all, but ffs I doubt he cares that much about it.

At the end of the day he advances or not, that's what matters.

I can't watch atm, but I'm exited about what changes this map brings to pvz (unless it simply means z winning every time heh)
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
January 09 2009 11:04 GMT
#300
NOOOOOOOO! What a nightmare, lol!
Brood War loyalist
Proposal
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1310 Posts
January 09 2009 11:04 GMT
#301
Oh well his peak was good while it lasted!
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 09 2009 11:05 GMT
#302
LOL my Fantasy OSL team had Mind and Bisu

well Im fucked lool
dats racist
darkemperor
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Turkey725 Posts
January 09 2009 11:05 GMT
#303
why bisu why
#1 Kim Taek Yong Fan <3 || Legend of the Fall // Fall of the Legend
antiq
Profile Joined June 2008
Slovakia191 Posts
January 09 2009 11:05 GMT
#304
This is off topic guys, but can someone confirm that the VLC stream is more than 220KBps? If so, tough luck for me, damn this location and it's crappy internet services.
KreaGata
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1702 Posts
January 09 2009 11:05 GMT
#305
Haha, wow.
the truest opportunists thrive in the maelstrom
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
January 09 2009 11:05 GMT
#306
On January 09 2009 19:59 MrHoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 19:55 AttackZerg wrote:
On January 09 2009 19:52 MrHoon wrote:
On January 09 2009 19:50 AttackZerg wrote:
On January 09 2009 19:46 MrHoon wrote:
On January 09 2009 19:45 AttackZerg wrote:
Heros's strategic transitions in game 2 were fucking sick. I have no clue why every terran who isn't in the top 3-4 terrans isn't going mech. I mean even upmagic is now beating jaedong .....

according to Flash, against smart players it gets very difficult to use Mech

And cmon, you have to admit JD played terribly against Upmagic.



I don't consider by.hero a smart player. I think lower tier terrans should use it by default.

Jaedong plays terribly most games against mech. So does savior/july/luxur and effort. I think mech is a good idea for most terranns

Eh, JD does have a bad history with mech I guess but Flash (who brought back the use of Mech build) has more games lost using mech than won (lol). I dunno, when Luxury played against Mech he actually did a pretty good job beating it down at MST.



Check our luxury vs Forgg, then watch jaedong vs flash from the same day, terran did the same build both games . In the mst he(lux) was super solid I agree.

Where do you get your 'Mech' stats from flash? I am pretty sure they might be wrong.

No stats lol, just guessed considering he lost alot of games using Mech in Zerg these days (including last season)

The thing about KTF vs Lecaf team is that the whole Lecaf team was trying to figure out how to fight back Mech build, and the best solution they came up with was "Deflect the first vulture wave by blocking 2nd hatch entrance using Evo Chambers and every building". And JD vs Flash, since it was the same build JD knew there is a very very small timing hole within that build. However, the only thing Flash did different was he built a CC instead of building an engineering bay widening the vulnerability which JD exploited.

btw what are we talking about?



I was talking about how low level terrans need to use mech. Then we talked about jaedong being bad against mech then you made up incorrect stats about flash () then you talked about the differences between flash and forgg's play.

Overall I think mech gives terran a better chance against top tier zergs. You go valks and you take away insane muta control. You go mech and you take away insane defiler skills. You go mech and zerg has to guess about which variation your doing since there are so many.

I hold to my argument that terrans who aren't in the elite should be using mech style of play.
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 09 2009 11:06 GMT
#307
On January 09 2009 20:05 AttackZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 19:59 MrHoon wrote:
On January 09 2009 19:55 AttackZerg wrote:
On January 09 2009 19:52 MrHoon wrote:
On January 09 2009 19:50 AttackZerg wrote:
On January 09 2009 19:46 MrHoon wrote:
On January 09 2009 19:45 AttackZerg wrote:
Heros's strategic transitions in game 2 were fucking sick. I have no clue why every terran who isn't in the top 3-4 terrans isn't going mech. I mean even upmagic is now beating jaedong .....

according to Flash, against smart players it gets very difficult to use Mech

And cmon, you have to admit JD played terribly against Upmagic.



I don't consider by.hero a smart player. I think lower tier terrans should use it by default.

Jaedong plays terribly most games against mech. So does savior/july/luxur and effort. I think mech is a good idea for most terranns

Eh, JD does have a bad history with mech I guess but Flash (who brought back the use of Mech build) has more games lost using mech than won (lol). I dunno, when Luxury played against Mech he actually did a pretty good job beating it down at MST.



Check our luxury vs Forgg, then watch jaedong vs flash from the same day, terran did the same build both games . In the mst he(lux) was super solid I agree.

Where do you get your 'Mech' stats from flash? I am pretty sure they might be wrong.

No stats lol, just guessed considering he lost alot of games using Mech in Zerg these days (including last season)

The thing about KTF vs Lecaf team is that the whole Lecaf team was trying to figure out how to fight back Mech build, and the best solution they came up with was "Deflect the first vulture wave by blocking 2nd hatch entrance using Evo Chambers and every building". And JD vs Flash, since it was the same build JD knew there is a very very small timing hole within that build. However, the only thing Flash did different was he built a CC instead of building an engineering bay widening the vulnerability which JD exploited.

btw what are we talking about?



I was talking about how low level terrans need to use mech. Then we talked about jaedong being bad against mech then you made up incorrect stats about flash () then you talked about the differences between flash and forgg's play.

Overall I think mech gives terran a better chance against top tier zergs. You go valks and you take away insane muta control. You go mech and you take away insane defiler skills. You go mech and zerg has to guess about which variation your doing since there are so many.

I hold to my argument that terrans who aren't in the elite should be using mech style of play.


Oh right, if that was what we were talking about I should've agreed with you
Dunno why I disagreed with you.
dats racist
Patrio
Profile Joined September 2007
Norway706 Posts
January 09 2009 11:06 GMT
#308
This is carma for (P)Bisu fucking up the MSL group selection. This will be further proved when he goes 0-2 in his group and (Z)sAviOr and (Z)maGma advances
Zerg Bunker
DownMaxX
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada1311 Posts
January 09 2009 11:06 GMT
#309
On January 09 2009 20:05 MrHoon wrote:
LOL my Fantasy OSL team had Mind and Bisu

well Im fucked lool


I have HoeJJa and Bisu, and I lost HoeJJa the same time that you lost Mind.
parasite
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
January 09 2009 11:06 GMT
#310
wow at 538 apm
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Baddieko
Profile Joined October 2008
Singapore855 Posts
January 09 2009 11:06 GMT
#311
the next 2 maps are P maps. Bisu not out yet.
traced
Profile Joined October 2007
1739 Posts
January 09 2009 11:07 GMT
#312
damn, did bisu not know there was a backdoor or what
machinebloodprogram
Profile Joined December 2008
United States245 Posts
January 09 2009 11:07 GMT
#313
On January 09 2009 20:05 antiq wrote:
This is off topic guys, but can someone confirm that the VLC stream is more than 220KBps? If so, tough luck for me, damn this location and it's crappy internet services.


my VLC stream is near 800k quality
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 09 2009 11:07 GMT
#314
On January 09 2009 10:09 Shikyo wrote:
I can only see Bisu dropping the first game to creative cheese... as much as I hope that he loses, I don't see it happening.

First half correct.. let's hope I was wrong about the second half and that Bisu loses.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
kemoryan
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Spain1506 Posts
January 09 2009 11:07 GMT
#315
On January 09 2009 20:06 disciple wrote:
wow at 538 apm


who?
Freedom is a stranger
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
January 09 2009 11:08 GMT
#316
On January 09 2009 20:06 MrHoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 20:05 AttackZerg wrote:
On January 09 2009 19:59 MrHoon wrote:
On January 09 2009 19:55 AttackZerg wrote:
On January 09 2009 19:52 MrHoon wrote:
On January 09 2009 19:50 AttackZerg wrote:
On January 09 2009 19:46 MrHoon wrote:
On January 09 2009 19:45 AttackZerg wrote:
Heros's strategic transitions in game 2 were fucking sick. I have no clue why every terran who isn't in the top 3-4 terrans isn't going mech. I mean even upmagic is now beating jaedong .....

according to Flash, against smart players it gets very difficult to use Mech

And cmon, you have to admit JD played terribly against Upmagic.



I don't consider by.hero a smart player. I think lower tier terrans should use it by default.

Jaedong plays terribly most games against mech. So does savior/july/luxur and effort. I think mech is a good idea for most terranns

Eh, JD does have a bad history with mech I guess but Flash (who brought back the use of Mech build) has more games lost using mech than won (lol). I dunno, when Luxury played against Mech he actually did a pretty good job beating it down at MST.



Check our luxury vs Forgg, then watch jaedong vs flash from the same day, terran did the same build both games . In the mst he(lux) was super solid I agree.

Where do you get your 'Mech' stats from flash? I am pretty sure they might be wrong.

No stats lol, just guessed considering he lost alot of games using Mech in Zerg these days (including last season)

The thing about KTF vs Lecaf team is that the whole Lecaf team was trying to figure out how to fight back Mech build, and the best solution they came up with was "Deflect the first vulture wave by blocking 2nd hatch entrance using Evo Chambers and every building". And JD vs Flash, since it was the same build JD knew there is a very very small timing hole within that build. However, the only thing Flash did different was he built a CC instead of building an engineering bay widening the vulnerability which JD exploited.

btw what are we talking about?



I was talking about how low level terrans need to use mech. Then we talked about jaedong being bad against mech then you made up incorrect stats about flash () then you talked about the differences between flash and forgg's play.

Overall I think mech gives terran a better chance against top tier zergs. You go valks and you take away insane muta control. You go mech and you take away insane defiler skills. You go mech and zerg has to guess about which variation your doing since there are so many.

I hold to my argument that terrans who aren't in the elite should be using mech style of play.


Oh right, if that was what we were talking about I should've agreed with you
Dunno why I disagreed with you.


ahah. Well you are one of my favorite posters, so I don't mind having a conversation about both of us being right .

hehe
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 11:09 GMT
#317
I think that was the first time Bisu played that map...
We see things they'll never see
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
January 09 2009 11:09 GMT
#318
Bisu down to 2298 ELO. Can get back over 2300 with 2 wins easily..

But just advance KTY!
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
Baddieko
Profile Joined October 2008
Singapore855 Posts
January 09 2009 11:10 GMT
#319
This tears of the moon confirm is JD map, he sure 100-0 there.
benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
January 09 2009 11:10 GMT
#320
lol at all the fanboy excuses, hero played smarter there and won, simple as that
wash uffitizi, drive me to firenze
wtflah
Profile Joined October 2008
United States92 Posts
January 09 2009 11:10 GMT
#321
such high APM from hero...
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
January 09 2009 11:10 GMT
#322
If bisu loses tonight and is only playing 1 league plus proleague I bet his odds of winning a forth msl will be much higher.
WingSandrockX
Profile Joined January 2007
Korea (North)1164 Posts
January 09 2009 11:11 GMT
#323
--- Nuked ---
kemoryan
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Spain1506 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 11:11:59
January 09 2009 11:11 GMT
#324
Sorry but the odds of winning any starleague is much higher playing on two than on one. And I think if he has to drop any that would be MSL, it's time for him to aim for the OSL and become bonjwa!
Freedom is a stranger
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
January 09 2009 11:11 GMT
#325
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/10911_by.hero_vs_RuBy

?!?!!?!?!

TLPD is confused by something
BW forever || Thall
wtflah
Profile Joined October 2008
United States92 Posts
January 09 2009 11:11 GMT
#326
On January 09 2009 20:10 AttackZerg wrote:
If bisu loses tonight and is only playing 1 league plus proleague I bet his odds of winning a forth msl will be much higher.

He's still in GOM.
jac
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden115 Posts
January 09 2009 11:11 GMT
#327
On January 09 2009 20:11 WingSandrockX wrote:
OH FUCK!

He almost got a DT OUT..

ARGHH

Wouldn't have helped as by.hero had ovies at bisus nat?
Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
January 09 2009 11:12 GMT
#328
well, the map did kinda help benjamin, however I must say I really liked the way by.hero played it, not many mistakes from him there.
Backho fan since 080416. Favourite terran: Mind. Favourite Zerg: Jaedong.
Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
January 09 2009 11:12 GMT
#329
Bisu will proably rape hero on Medussa as he's played this map 1000 of times!
WingSandrockX
Profile Joined January 2007
Korea (North)1164 Posts
January 09 2009 11:12 GMT
#330
--- Nuked ---
LimitlessSky
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States434 Posts
January 09 2009 11:12 GMT
#331
No wonder Bisu looks rather grumpy so much starcraft.
SKT1 Fighting! <3
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
January 09 2009 11:13 GMT
#332
medusa is bisus playground ... return of the king is so symbolic
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36379 Posts
January 09 2009 11:14 GMT
#333
On January 09 2009 20:11 kemoryan wrote:
Sorry but the odds of winning any starleague is much higher playing on two than on one. And I think if he has to drop any that would be MSL, it's time for him to aim for the OSL and become bonjwa!

i wouldn't be so sure about that, especially with modern proleague schedule demands. pretty sure if stork was only playing MSL he'd have beaten Kal in Club Day. players usually prioritize one league over the other.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
January 09 2009 11:14 GMT
#334
by.hero expands in his mineral nat
bisu 13 nex's
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
January 09 2009 11:14 GMT
#335
By.hero didn't 4-pool
BW forever || Thall
jac
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden115 Posts
January 09 2009 11:15 GMT
#336
On January 09 2009 20:12 WingSandrockX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 20:11 lb wrote:
On January 09 2009 20:11 WingSandrockX wrote:
OH FUCK!

He almost got a DT OUT..

ARGHH

Wouldn't have helped as by.hero had ovies at bisus nat?


did he? i think he only had one where the "backdoor" was and that was killed via corsair

fairly certain he had one over at the highground right outside the nat.
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
January 09 2009 11:16 GMT
#337
Bisu's clearly pissed as he's being even more annoying than last game with 1st probe. Forced hat misplacement. 3hat lair scouted.
Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
January 09 2009 11:16 GMT
#338
as much as I don't like bisu, I have to admit that his scouting probe is fooking art
Backho fan since 080416. Favourite terran: Mind. Favourite Zerg: Jaedong.
WingSandrockX
Profile Joined January 2007
Korea (North)1164 Posts
January 09 2009 11:17 GMT
#339
--- Nuked ---
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
January 09 2009 11:17 GMT
#340
lol probe still alive! 4hat + spire building. Probe finally dies, bisu going sair reaver looks like.
Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
January 09 2009 11:17 GMT
#341
double stargate?
Backho fan since 080416. Favourite terran: Mind. Favourite Zerg: Jaedong.
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 11:18 GMT
#342
Two Starport for bisu?

By.hero is laying down a shit load of hatcheries. Probably because he saw the spire.
We see things they'll never see
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3812 Posts
January 09 2009 11:18 GMT
#343
5 hat,,,

this will be a break?
: o )
selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
January 09 2009 11:18 GMT
#344
I got this opened through VLC now i'll stream and it will be fine for about a minute, then the window will get a lot smaller and it is no longer streaming video to me anymore... Anyone else having this problem, how can I fix it?
"That's what happens when you're using a mouse made out of glass!" -Tasteless (Referring to ZergBong)
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
January 09 2009 11:19 GMT
#345
dangerous amounts of hatcheries
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
January 09 2009 11:20 GMT
#346
oh please don't fail, osl without bisu would be boring
Terran & Potato Salad.
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
January 09 2009 11:21 GMT
#347
oh man get dweb plzzzzz
VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4330 Posts
January 09 2009 11:22 GMT
#348
On January 09 2009 20:20 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
oh please don't fail, osl without bisu would be boring

He's going to break MSL titles record :-)
Worry not, Bisu 2-1.
Every fan of Starcraft is a fan of Lim Yo Hwan by association
ShoGunBo
Profile Joined November 2008
Romania55 Posts
January 09 2009 11:22 GMT
#349
comme on guys.... what is happening? comment pls
...and I present u....Alex THE LION!!! :)
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
January 09 2009 11:22 GMT
#350
OH SHIT BISU HAS NOT ENOUGH MINERALS
DownMaxX
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada1311 Posts
January 09 2009 11:23 GMT
#351
That's a lot of hydras.
parasite
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 11:23:27
January 09 2009 11:23 GMT
#352
holy fuck thats a shit ton of hydras
im on the edge of my seat
LimitlessSky
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States434 Posts
January 09 2009 11:23 GMT
#353
Reavers gone...>.>
SKT1 Fighting! <3
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8090 Posts
January 09 2009 11:23 GMT
#354
On January 09 2009 20:22 VioleTAK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 20:20 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
oh please don't fail, osl without bisu would be boring

He's going to break MSL titles record :-)
Worry not, Bisu 2-1.

You were saying?
not looking good for bisu
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
January 09 2009 11:23 GMT
#355
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMG, Amazing reaver scarab
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
January 09 2009 11:23 GMT
#356
doom drop coming up !
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
January 09 2009 11:23 GMT
#357
Drop coming. If this isn't caught it's gg....
selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
January 09 2009 11:23 GMT
#358
Wipe that smerk off your face!
"That's what happens when you're using a mouse made out of glass!" -Tasteless (Referring to ZergBong)
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3812 Posts
January 09 2009 11:23 GMT
#359
reavers are sniped

a lot of corsairs down

but dts out in time to deflect massive hydra push,

now hero is trying ot bring up ovis
: o )
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
January 09 2009 11:24 GMT
#360
bisu is so out of this
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
January 09 2009 11:24 GMT
#361
OMG my stream is frozen on the hydras being dropped and owning those poor innocent probes!
"That's what happens when you're using a mouse made out of glass!" -Tasteless (Referring to ZergBong)
DownMaxX
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada1311 Posts
January 09 2009 11:24 GMT
#362
Bisu's like "WTF this guy's suppose to be a scrub"
parasite
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 11:24 GMT
#363
Looking bad for bisu...
We see things they'll never see
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
January 09 2009 11:24 GMT
#364
zerg supply > bisu supply man fuck
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3812 Posts
January 09 2009 11:25 GMT
#365
big drop on bisu's main, all corsairs killed

hydras are out but a lot of probes died, a lot of bisu's army dead,

he's in massive trouble, yay!

now his min only is dropped and will die
: o )
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
January 09 2009 11:25 GMT
#366
this is over -_________-
Terran & Potato Salad.
Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
January 09 2009 11:25 GMT
#367
I called this!
Backho fan since 080416. Favourite terran: Mind. Favourite Zerg: Jaedong.
selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
January 09 2009 11:25 GMT
#368
....Shit. Stooopid zerg scum
"That's what happens when you're using a mouse made out of glass!" -Tasteless (Referring to ZergBong)
zobz
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada2175 Posts
January 09 2009 11:25 GMT
#369
Noo! What's happening
"That's not gonna be good for business." "That's not gonna be good for anybody."
Baddieko
Profile Joined October 2008
Singapore855 Posts
January 09 2009 11:26 GMT
#370
by.hero plays like JD
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3812 Posts
January 09 2009 11:26 GMT
#371
now hero is getting a little careless with his drops

4 bases to 2
: o )
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
January 09 2009 11:26 GMT
#372
WOW


EXPECT GG
hubfub
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Australia352 Posts
January 09 2009 11:26 GMT
#373
fuuuck bisuuuuuu noooooooooooo
selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
January 09 2009 11:26 GMT
#374
Go Bisu! Hide pylons in every nook and cranny on the map! Make him earn his OSL spot!
"That's what happens when you're using a mouse made out of glass!" -Tasteless (Referring to ZergBong)
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3812 Posts
January 09 2009 11:28 GMT
#375
bisu is trying to harass his way back in but it's nto going so well

minonly is dropped again, hero takes a 5th and denies bisu's 4

bisu is going to lose teeheehee
: o )
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 11:28 GMT
#376
Bisu,bisu,bisu

At least win the msl....
We see things they'll never see
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
January 09 2009 11:28 GMT
#377
bisu hanging on to dear life
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
January 09 2009 11:28 GMT
#378
Simultaneously hilarious and sad.
Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
January 09 2009 11:28 GMT
#379
Hero playign some awesome stuff here!
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
January 09 2009 11:28 GMT
#380
Bisu will never win an MSL
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3812 Posts
January 09 2009 11:28 GMT
#381
minonly is dropped AGAIN xD
: o )
toshi
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Poland469 Posts
January 09 2009 11:29 GMT
#382
Bisu ?
pro-
DownMaxX
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada1311 Posts
January 09 2009 11:29 GMT
#383
Fuuuck.

Y'know, this only happened 'cause I put Bisu in my fantasy OSL instead of another Zerg. He should be fine in other leagues.
parasite
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 11:29:55
January 09 2009 11:29 GMT
#384
On January 09 2009 20:28 Athos wrote:
Bisu will never win an MSL

OSL* ......
man its over..... bisu giving up his main
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3812 Posts
January 09 2009 11:29 GMT
#385
if hero deflects this attack it's gg
: o )
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
January 09 2009 11:29 GMT
#386
bisu must seriously wish he still had those corsairs
BW forever || Thall
amanet
Profile Joined December 2007
Croatia334 Posts
January 09 2009 11:29 GMT
#387
damn map pool is bisu's problem
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
January 09 2009 11:29 GMT
#388
I will say that bisu has better harass than any other protoss; but By.hero is all over that.
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3812 Posts
January 09 2009 11:30 GMT
#389
hero is a hero.

!
: o )
Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
January 09 2009 11:30 GMT
#390
bisus' multitasking is awesome!
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
January 09 2009 11:30 GMT
#391
GG

god damn it Bisu....
We see things they'll never see
amanet
Profile Joined December 2007
Croatia334 Posts
January 09 2009 11:30 GMT
#392
over?
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 09 2009 11:31 GMT
#393
KARMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
dats racist
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 11:31:40
January 09 2009 11:31 GMT
#394
On January 09 2009 20:30 amanet wrote:
over?

edit: ok gg fuckkk
LimitlessSky
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States434 Posts
January 09 2009 11:31 GMT
#395
Awwwww noooooo
SKT1 Fighting! <3
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 09 2009 11:31 GMT
#396
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA KARMAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
dats racist
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
January 09 2009 11:31 GMT
#397
gg dammit
Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
January 09 2009 11:31 GMT
#398
haah, what a rape, bisu stopping flash ? haha jeah right ..
One ring, to rule them all!
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
January 09 2009 11:31 GMT
#399
YES suck it bisu, nice hero.
sAviOr...
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
January 09 2009 11:32 GMT
#400
I dont know what just happened
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
abakben
Profile Joined April 2007
United States308 Posts
January 09 2009 11:32 GMT
#401
Wow Bisu sucked.
Three big B's (BEST-BISU-BOXER) fighting for SKT1. All we need is a good zerg to dominate the Proleague:)
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
January 09 2009 11:32 GMT
#402
fuck
Baddieko
Profile Joined October 2008
Singapore855 Posts
January 09 2009 11:32 GMT
#403
bisu out of Batoo lol.
HaiVan
Profile Joined April 2005
Bulgaria1698 Posts
January 09 2009 11:32 GMT
#404
Bisu raped by pure hydra is wow!
Listen to The Special One
Shuffleus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Australia764 Posts
January 09 2009 11:32 GMT
#405
If only it was magma.
| QuanticGaming.com | There is no greater feeling then to find order in the chaos, as you slip the puzzle pieces in place.
ssystem
Profile Joined August 2008
United Kingdom337 Posts
January 09 2009 11:32 GMT
#406
HAHAHA YES. Now go 0-2 in your own MSL group and I'll be happy for the rest of the season
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51486 Posts
January 09 2009 11:32 GMT
#407
FUCK
MY FANTASY TEAM T_T
Commentator
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
January 09 2009 11:32 GMT
#408
wtf~~
all i have to say
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 09 2009 11:32 GMT
#409
On January 09 2009 20:32 HaiVan wrote:
Bisu raped by pure hydra is wow!

Bisu raped by Lair tech lolol
dats racist
nATHANN
Profile Joined November 2007
Finland56 Posts
January 09 2009 11:32 GMT
#410
Im so happy
Silverflame
Profile Joined August 2006
United States428 Posts
January 09 2009 11:33 GMT
#411
hopefully zergs can stop whining about how Medusa is imba ZvP now
zXk3
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Mexico1178 Posts
January 09 2009 11:33 GMT
#412
OMFG! dont be sad bisu, he stomped boxer before you, it was a sign...
GraphicsNo soy dominante, solo tengo mejores ideas...| Sorry Oshi, 4-1 shows that im better than you =D i wont do any more mistakes now
abakben
Profile Joined April 2007
United States308 Posts
January 09 2009 11:33 GMT
#413
It looks like Bisu will never win any OSL.
Three big B's (BEST-BISU-BOXER) fighting for SKT1. All we need is a good zerg to dominate the Proleague:)
WingSandrockX
Profile Joined January 2007
Korea (North)1164 Posts
January 09 2009 11:33 GMT
#414
--- Nuked ---
Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
January 09 2009 11:33 GMT
#415
Hero's macro was godlike - _ -

always spreading his hydras perfectly!

awesome!!
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
January 09 2009 11:33 GMT
#416
GG good game!!!!!!!
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
January 09 2009 11:34 GMT
#417
wow owned again... on Medusa...
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
January 09 2009 11:34 GMT
#418
Uma-uma. Bisu always wins and loses when you expect the least.
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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
January 09 2009 11:34 GMT
#419
I knew it was going to happen but bisu played baad, his shuttle control was nowhere to be seen
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
PeAcY6969
Profile Joined January 2008
France621 Posts
January 09 2009 11:34 GMT
#420
WTF ? T_T
"MBCGame HERO... What Else ?"
DM20
Profile Joined September 2008
Canada544 Posts
January 09 2009 11:34 GMT
#421
"he already dropped me once he won't do it again."
stanley_
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States816 Posts
January 09 2009 11:34 GMT
#422
overall bisu played very sloppy, I believe he lost over 6 reavers the entire game. When he first pushed out his army attacked without being backed up by the reavers then the army died, the reavers died afterward.

By.hero seemed to break bisu's mentality after the first game.
hoorah
rA.Hippie
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Denmark714 Posts
January 09 2009 11:34 GMT
#423
Somebody has been given lessons by july;
I love teh shisha.
perx80
Profile Joined August 2008
Malaysia65 Posts
January 09 2009 11:35 GMT
#424
So happy that Bisu got knocked out.
This is what he gets for making MSL group F as it is.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 11:36:15
January 09 2009 11:35 GMT
#425
LOL
HERO PLAYED LIKE ZERGS SHOULD
THEYRE GETTING SMARTER!!!

P>Z? SIF!

Seriously, Bisu didn't play that badly; he was outplayed in all aspects
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
monstar123
Profile Joined December 2008
United States516 Posts
January 09 2009 11:35 GMT
#426
OMG it is July. July knows Bisu. WHY BISU WHY??????????
XIII
Profile Joined September 2005
483 Posts
January 09 2009 11:35 GMT
#427
On January 09 2009 20:34 rA.Hippie wrote:
Somebody has been given lessons by july;


oh yes
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 09 2009 11:36 GMT
#428
The Starcraft Gods are so harsh loool
dats racist
abakben
Profile Joined April 2007
United States308 Posts
January 09 2009 11:36 GMT
#429
If he will play like today he will have no chance in all zerg MSL group.
Three big B's (BEST-BISU-BOXER) fighting for SKT1. All we need is a good zerg to dominate the Proleague:)
Avalon_FK
Profile Joined July 2007
Bulgaria12 Posts
January 09 2009 11:36 GMT
#430
Ooo man he is gone ...
traced
Profile Joined October 2007
1739 Posts
January 09 2009 11:36 GMT
#431
On January 09 2009 20:34 disciple wrote:
I knew it was going to happen but bisu played baad, his shuttle control was nowhere to be seen

his control was fine, his decision making was terrible tonight. :/ he should have been prepared for the 5 hatch drop
Baddieko
Profile Joined October 2008
Singapore855 Posts
January 09 2009 11:36 GMT
#432
lol, now savior and magma can follow this example and all in.
KreaGata
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1702 Posts
January 09 2009 11:36 GMT
#433
hero, your macro is scary.
the truest opportunists thrive in the maelstrom
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
January 09 2009 11:37 GMT
#434
Unbelievable. Bisu just got flat out careless. This is actually probably bad news for Savior and the rest of MSL Group A as Bisu'll be back with a vengeance.

Anything can happen in SC but to lose a BO3 2-0 in your best matchup in the QUALIFIERS for OSL is pretty inexcusable =/
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
January 09 2009 11:37 GMT
#435
Dude wtf Bisu.... two starports against 1 gas 6 hat zergs ..... grrrr.....



I can't believe bisu goes into epic mode against jaedong, beats effort in an awesome game, beats flash 2/1 and then proceeds to lose to ..... hero.... a zerg so bad even savior knocked him out of gom, and you know you are pretty bad when savior beats you (these days)....

.
Patrio
Profile Joined September 2007
Norway706 Posts
January 09 2009 11:37 GMT
#436
KARMA!!!
Zerg Bunker
Fwmeh
Profile Joined April 2008
1286 Posts
January 09 2009 11:37 GMT
#437
On January 09 2009 20:06 Patrio wrote:
This is carma for (P)Bisu fucking up the MSL group selection. This will be further proved when he goes 0-2 in his group and (Z)sAviOr and (Z)maGma advances

I am your now your biggest fan.
A parser for things is a function from strings to lists of pairs of things and strings
Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
January 09 2009 11:37 GMT
#438
orion vs nbs coming up soon on pgl!

tune in and watch! should be a good series! bo5 =]
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
January 09 2009 11:37 GMT
#439
bisu's hole strategy was rubbish, not only that but nothing in his unit control went like it should. The better player won
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
January 09 2009 11:37 GMT
#440
On January 09 2009 20:37 AttackZerg wrote:
Dude wtf Bisu.... two starports against 1 gas 6 hat zergs ..... grrrr.....



I can't believe bisu goes into epic mode against jaedong, beats effort in an awesome game, beats flash 2/1 and then proceeds to lose to ..... hero.... a zerg so bad even savior knocked him out of gom, and you know you are pretty bad when savior beats you (these days)....

.


sAviOr knocked out by.great, best knocked out hero 2-1.
sAviOr...
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
January 09 2009 11:38 GMT
#441
bonjwa? naaaaaaaaaaaaah
Woo Jung Ho
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 11:39:28
January 09 2009 11:38 GMT
#442
That was definitely Jaedongs quality of play from hero.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36379 Posts
January 09 2009 11:38 GMT
#443
lol wow, pretty sick turn of events. bisu played bad, but hero was relentless with those drops.

to all those being like "hahaha bisu will never win osl" please just shut up, its not hard nor clever to predict someone won't win an osl. idiots.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
Patrio
Profile Joined September 2007
Norway706 Posts
January 09 2009 11:38 GMT
#444
"Boys, be ambitious. I can do it"

he shure did
Zerg Bunker
Baddieko
Profile Joined October 2008
Singapore855 Posts
January 09 2009 11:39 GMT
#445
prolly tears of the moon is JD map. He will 100-0 there and pwn all in Batoo.
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
January 09 2009 11:39 GMT
#446
I for one think Bisu played rather good, hero just played great + got a good pos advantage where he could keep on dropping into bisus main\3rd non stop. And bisus shuttle control wasnt that bad, hero just did a great job of surrounding and sniping.
God Hates a Coward
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
January 09 2009 11:39 GMT
#447
By the way, both saint and hero are playing the most solid zvp's in the world right now. Very defensive and strong. Anybody trying to master ZvP map control and macro watch Saint vs Free on andro, is it textbook ZvP.
monstar123
Profile Joined December 2008
United States516 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 11:41:05
January 09 2009 11:40 GMT
#448
Watch PL game ,(Z)by.hero vs (P)Bisu. That game was close too. Even (Z)by.hero almost won that game. But.....
Balfazar
Profile Joined November 2008
Australia483 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 11:42:18
January 09 2009 11:41 GMT
#449
And this after Bisu made a pussy move and got himself an all Zerg group in the MSL, it will be hilarious if he gets eliminated there as well.
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
January 09 2009 11:42 GMT
#450
One thing I like about OGN.

They try new maps.

Instead of baby feeding protosses double-nexus friendly maps with tons of minerals, they made Tears of the Moon which forces protosses to think twice about doing the same old. So you blame zergs for not evolving? Let's see you do any better when the maps are against you. Bisu-build my ass, your triumphs against the zerg were spoon fed.

I'm so stoked a zerg user made it to the final 16.
TL+ Member
ChaoSbringer
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Australia1382 Posts
January 09 2009 11:42 GMT
#451
This Liquibet is going to be interesting..
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 09 2009 11:42 GMT
#452
Hey, I just thought about something! Maybe the 2-1 vs Ruby wasn't a fluke? =o
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Fwmeh
Profile Joined April 2008
1286 Posts
January 09 2009 11:42 GMT
#453
Btw, I like Bisu. But after the SC gods read these forums, they pretty much had to do this, or Bisu's p3nis would have been totally worn out from all the sucking.
A parser for things is a function from strings to lists of pairs of things and strings
toshi
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Poland469 Posts
January 09 2009 11:42 GMT
#454
WTF ? BISU ? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ;/
pro-
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 09 2009 11:43 GMT
#455
On January 09 2009 20:42 Shikyo wrote:
Hey, I just thought about something! Maybe the 2-1 vs Ruby wasn't a fluke? =o

Ruby is a student of Sea
Im guessing he learned bad qualities from Sea too.
dats racist
Ovielord
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada60 Posts
January 09 2009 11:44 GMT
#456
Wow by.hero just beat one of the best TvZ player and the best PvZ player. O_O
Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
January 09 2009 11:44 GMT
#457
On January 09 2009 20:42 Letmelose wrote:
One thing I like about OGN.

They try new maps.

Instead of baby feeding protosses double-nexus friendly maps with tons of minerals, they made Tears of the Moon which forces protosses to think twice about doing the same old. So you blame zergs for not evolving? Let's see you do any better when the maps are against you. Bisu-build my ass, your triumphs against the zerg were spoon fed.

I'm so stoked a zerg user made it to the final 16.



right, because PvZ was so balanced in the days before forge fe.
~
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
January 09 2009 11:44 GMT
#458
On January 09 2009 20:42 Shikyo wrote:
Hey, I just thought about something! Maybe the 2-1 vs Ruby wasn't a fluke? =o


Yeah really. By.hero is in both leagues now (his MSL group is Much, Upmagic, YarnC) so I'm a bit curious to see how he does as the tournaments progress.
BW forever || Thall
fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
January 09 2009 11:44 GMT
#459
Whos going to cut their wrist like I am?
bisu fanboy
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 09 2009 11:45 GMT
#460
On January 09 2009 20:44 fearus wrote:
Whos going to cut their wrist like I am?

Not me, I am celebrating because I am fans of (T)Flash (Z)Jaedong and (T)firebathero

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
dats racist
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 11:50:05
January 09 2009 11:46 GMT
#461
I dont know what positive you guys see in bisu's play. The very foundations of his PvZ (pumping sairs, multi harass) were absolutely nowhere to be seen. He deflected some of the drops pretty nicely but the game was over when hero took his 4th pretty much with ez - I'm sure bisu knew there was no going back at this point, his storm/dt drops came so late and he kept throwing up units carelessly in the middle of the map. Maybe he was practicing hard his PvT but even so his preparation for the first game was an absolute trash and his play in the second was more suitable for his form from 6 months ago. As much as I'm disappointed with him, Bisu deserved his fate, if he wants to live up to his ambitions he must prepare for every possible scenario.
Ah I'm always so frustrated by his performance in the early stage of the tournaments, as rule he is auto semifinalists once he advances from his group or so but KTY is starting his tournaments soo difficult
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 09 2009 11:46 GMT
#462
On January 09 2009 20:44 Lachrymose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 20:42 Letmelose wrote:
One thing I like about OGN.

They try new maps.

Instead of baby feeding protosses double-nexus friendly maps with tons of minerals, they made Tears of the Moon which forces protosses to think twice about doing the same old. So you blame zergs for not evolving? Let's see you do any better when the maps are against you. Bisu-build my ass, your triumphs against the zerg were spoon fed.

I'm so stoked a zerg user made it to the final 16.



right, because PvZ was so balanced in the days before forge fe.

Is it the Z's fault that the Protoss weren't smart enough to Forge FE? =D
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
January 09 2009 11:48 GMT
#463
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?? Maybe Savior does stand a chance :D
fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
January 09 2009 11:48 GMT
#464
On January 09 2009 20:45 MrHoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 20:44 fearus wrote:
Whos going to cut their wrist like I am?

Not me, I am celebrating because I am fans of (T)Flash (Z)Jaedong and (T)firebathero

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA


.....
*goes back to slitting wrist*
bisu fanboy
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27154 Posts
January 09 2009 11:49 GMT
#465
[image loading]


lol
ModeratorGodfather
erin[go]bragh
Profile Joined December 2008
United States815 Posts
January 09 2009 11:49 GMT
#466
Win some lose some. GOM + MSL + OSL + Proleague + New maps = too much too handle. Bisu is one of the better players out there, but to expect him to roll over everything on earth with ease is unrealistic. He obviously didn't practice on TotM that much (if at all?) and was probably practicing expecting to play Ruby.

He just didn't play well. Hero played fantastically and rightfully earned his spot. I don't want to sound like a blind Bisu fanboy (I'm not) but haters are going to be quick to jump on this, and they shouldn't get their hopes up. None of Starcraft's most dominant players have ever been simultaneously dominating in three starleauges + progleague.

64.56% /= 100%. Even Jaedong doesn't win every single ZvZ he plays, even if we expect him to.

He played bad tonight but IMO it doesn't mean anything. Expect him to continue to have a commanding presence in MSL/GOM/Proleague.
JulyZerg! by.hero, effOrt, KTY.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36379 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 11:51:33
January 09 2009 11:49 GMT
#467
i don't know why everyone is saying the map is the issue. one probe scouting back there and Bisu stops the ling runby, one pylon at the back generator area and bisu stops that hydra allin. the stuff was easily preventable if Bisu prepared like he should have. same with game 2, bisu lost 4-5 reavers and three shuttles unnecessarily, also lost all his sairs. speedshuttles and sairs would've been great to defend against those drops, instead bisu has nothing and the ovies can just load and unload constantly.

i'm not saying hero didn't play well, because he did, and for all we know even if bisu played his best he might have lost, but the reason it seemed so rape was because it was a combination of hero playing great and bisu playing poorly.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 12:24:37
January 09 2009 11:50 GMT
#468
On January 09 2009 20:44 Rostam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 20:42 Shikyo wrote:
Hey, I just thought about something! Maybe the 2-1 vs Ruby wasn't a fluke? =o


Yeah really. By.hero is in both leagues now (his MSL group is Much, Upmagic, YarnC) so I'm a bit curious to see how he does as the tournaments progress.


Wow, I didn't realize that - it's pretty impressive. There's a reasonable (though not strong) chance that Hero actually ends up being the ONLY Zerg to get to RO16 of both leagues! JD will probably do it, but seeing as how he would have to beat two of FBH/Flash/Hwasin, hasn't even officially qualified for OSL RO16, and needs to play two matches to get into OSL, it's no sure thing! Some other Zergs have a chance too.

EDIT: Sorry I was unclear. I meant Hero had a chance to be the only Zerg player to simultaneously qualify for both MSL and OSL rounds of 16.
Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
January 09 2009 11:52 GMT
#469
On January 09 2009 20:46 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 20:44 Lachrymose wrote:
On January 09 2009 20:42 Letmelose wrote:
One thing I like about OGN.

They try new maps.

Instead of baby feeding protosses double-nexus friendly maps with tons of minerals, they made Tears of the Moon which forces protosses to think twice about doing the same old. So you blame zergs for not evolving? Let's see you do any better when the maps are against you. Bisu-build my ass, your triumphs against the zerg were spoon fed.

I'm so stoked a zerg user made it to the final 16.



right, because PvZ was so balanced in the days before forge fe.

Is it the Z's fault that the Protoss weren't smart enough to Forge FE? =D


You can't forge fe on all maps, especially older ones. Encouraging map makers to make maps you can't forge fe on to help PvZ balance is what isn't smart.
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traced
Profile Joined October 2007
1739 Posts
January 09 2009 11:53 GMT
#470
bisu put himself at horrible disadvantages through poor decisions in common situations

it makes no difference how well hero played or not, if bisu played competently, let alone like bisu, those situations could not have happened.

just retarded games

i need to sleep this off
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 09 2009 11:54 GMT
#471
He could've built a pylon there to see if he was coming from the backside or not.
There are 2 stacked generators (4 total) which is slower than some maps which have 3-4 mineral patches. He should've seen it coming.
dats racist
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 09 2009 11:55 GMT
#472
On January 09 2009 20:50 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 20:44 Rostam wrote:
On January 09 2009 20:42 Shikyo wrote:
Hey, I just thought about something! Maybe the 2-1 vs Ruby wasn't a fluke? =o


Yeah really. By.hero is in both leagues now (his MSL group is Much, Upmagic, YarnC) so I'm a bit curious to see how he does as the tournaments progress.


Wow, I didn't realize that - it's pretty impressive. There's a reasonable (though not strong) chance that Hero actually ends up being the ONLY Zerg to get to RO16 of both leagues! JD will probably do it, but seeing as how he would have to beat two of FBH/Flash/Hwasin, hasn't even officially qualified for OSL RO16, and needs to play two matches to get into OSL, it's no sure thing! Some other Zergs have a chance too.


Ummm.. at least one Zerg is going to go through Group A, since there's 3 Z's in there. I expect Jaedong to get through his group, although it wouldn't be anything new if he got owned by some cheese. Yarnc should have a decent chance as well, but I'm thinking that UpMagiC will advance. He beat much really bad, and his mech is really strong against Z. But I'm hoping that hero is able to overcome it, he seems to be a pretty smart player.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36379 Posts
January 09 2009 11:55 GMT
#473
On January 09 2009 20:50 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 20:44 Rostam wrote:
On January 09 2009 20:42 Shikyo wrote:
Hey, I just thought about something! Maybe the 2-1 vs Ruby wasn't a fluke? =o


Yeah really. By.hero is in both leagues now (his MSL group is Much, Upmagic, YarnC) so I'm a bit curious to see how he does as the tournaments progress.


Wow, I didn't realize that - it's pretty impressive. There's a reasonable (though not strong) chance that Hero actually ends up being the ONLY Zerg to get to RO16 of both leagues! JD will probably do it, but seeing as how he would have to beat two of FBH/Flash/Hwasin, hasn't even officially qualified for OSL RO16, and needs to play two matches to get into OSL, it's no sure thing! Some other Zergs have a chance too.

1. GGPlay is already seeded into OSL Ro16

2. Luxury, Yarnc, July, and Jaedong, the four best Zergs at the moment (aside from Effort) have yet to play their groups. You have to figure at least one of them makes it through.

3. MSL Ro16 is way too far off to be predicting whether one player is the only one to make it through, the racial distribution of 14/8/8 makes it really unlikely one race gets shut out.

4. MSL Ro32 Group A has three Zergs in it, one of Savior / Zero / Magma will make it.
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economist_
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Vietnam719 Posts
January 09 2009 11:55 GMT
#474
On January 09 2009 20:44 Lachrymose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 20:42 Letmelose wrote:
One thing I like about OGN.

They try new maps.

Instead of baby feeding protosses double-nexus friendly maps with tons of minerals, they made Tears of the Moon which forces protosses to think twice about doing the same old. So you blame zergs for not evolving? Let's see you do any better when the maps are against you. Bisu-build my ass, your triumphs against the zerg were spoon fed.

I'm so stoked a zerg user made it to the final 16.



right, because PvZ was so balanced in the days before forge fe.


Nope, PvsZ was the most imbalanced mu in the days before forge fe?
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betaben
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
681 Posts
January 09 2009 11:55 GMT
#475
for fucks sake. I thought He'd get this osl given his present performance. It seems as though Protoss players who dominate are never 'invincible' like savior or iloveoov was.
dongfeng
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
731 Posts
January 09 2009 11:56 GMT
#476
WAT
THE
FUCk
SOMEONE GET THE BISU FACE

srsly i was like that when i saw the results
expecting bisu to go through 2-1 at the least ????
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 11:59:32
January 09 2009 11:56 GMT
#477
On January 09 2009 20:49 Hot_Bid wrote:
i don't know why everyone is saying the map is the issue. one probe scouting back there and Bisu stops the ling runby, one pylon at the back generator area and bisu stops that hydra allin. the stuff was easily preventable if Bisu prepared like he should have. same with game 2, bisu lost 4-5 reavers and three shuttles unnecessarily, also lost all his sairs. speedshuttles and sairs would've been great to defend against those drops, instead bisu has nothing and the ovies can just load and unload constantly.

i'm not saying hero didn't play well, because he did, and for all we know even if bisu played his best he might have lost, but the reason it seemed so rape was because it was a combination of hero playing great and bisu playing poorly.


Agreed.

Hero really took it to the next level though. Remember game2 against Ruby where he had 4.3k/1.6k in the bank? He really improved his macro big time in that game against Bisu.


edit: the one upside to this as a Bisu fan is that he will probably be MORE careful in his MSL group than he otherwise would've been. Sucks that he won't be in the OSL though.
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EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
January 09 2009 11:58 GMT
#478
is this some sick joke? QQ
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
January 09 2009 12:00 GMT
#479
Ok maybe this is the wrong thread to post this on, but here it goes anyway.

One of my biggest gripes when it comes to the issue of balance is consistency.

When zergs finally stood up to terrans with the art of 3 hatch play, mutalisk control, defiler and nydus canal usage. It shocked the terrans all over. In fact, I believe this zerg revolution led by Savior is one of the biggest (if not the biggest) changes made to a match up in progaming history. The thing is, the better zergs got at mutalisk harass, the more difficult the maps got to use this new skill in. In fact, the zerg revolution was butt raped by the map makers who basically cancelled out the improvements made by the zerg players by making gay maps.

Protoss was struggling against zergs too, but when Bisu changed the match-ups, the map makers made it even more double-nexus friendly, gave even more minerals, made it easy for protoss to gain their 3rd gas.

How come when zergs improve, it needs to be cancelled out, but when protoss gain ground in PvZ, the map makers make it all the more easier?

Bisu and the so called six dragons are really benefitting from this "protoss friendly era", though it is true that they are very talented players. I'm just real tired of map makers making the same old maps that make PvZ easy with three easy steps while telling zerg players to use friggin' queens or die against terrans.
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Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 12:03:57
January 09 2009 12:03 GMT
#480
On January 09 2009 20:55 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 20:50 darktreb wrote:
On January 09 2009 20:44 Rostam wrote:
On January 09 2009 20:42 Shikyo wrote:
Hey, I just thought about something! Maybe the 2-1 vs Ruby wasn't a fluke? =o


Yeah really. By.hero is in both leagues now (his MSL group is Much, Upmagic, YarnC) so I'm a bit curious to see how he does as the tournaments progress.


Wow, I didn't realize that - it's pretty impressive. There's a reasonable (though not strong) chance that Hero actually ends up being the ONLY Zerg to get to RO16 of both leagues! JD will probably do it, but seeing as how he would have to beat two of FBH/Flash/Hwasin, hasn't even officially qualified for OSL RO16, and needs to play two matches to get into OSL, it's no sure thing! Some other Zergs have a chance too.

1. GGPlay is already seeded into OSL Ro16

2. Luxury, Yarnc, July, and Jaedong, the four best Zergs at the moment (aside from Effort) have yet to play their groups. You have to figure at least one of them makes it through.

3. MSL Ro16 is way too far off to be predicting whether one player is the only one to make it through, the racial distribution of 14/8/8 makes it really unlikely one race gets shut out.

4. MSL Ro32 Group A has three Zergs in it, one of Savior / Zero / Magma will make it.


He's saying he might be the only zerg to reach the ro16 in both leagues at the same time.

The zergs still in both leagues besides by.hero are:

YarnC (who has pretty easy groups in both leagues, wouldn't be surprised to see him in both ro16s)
Luxury (Kal and Leta in his MSL group, but he should be able to beat either Hiya or Shuttle in OSL. Wouldn't be surprised however if he's eliminated from one or both)
Jaedong (Group of death in MSL, vs Tazza and Light in OSL)

If he does make it even if all of the above 3 do that's some pretty elite company, nothing to scoff at in any case. He also might fall on his face, we'll just have to see.
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dongfeng
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
731 Posts
January 09 2009 12:04 GMT
#481
On January 09 2009 21:00 Letmelose wrote:
Ok maybe this is the wrong thread to post this on, but here it goes anyway.

One of my biggest gripes when it comes to the issue of balance is consistency.

When zergs finally stood up to terrans with the art of 3 hatch play, mutalisk control, defiler and nydus canal usage. It shocked the terrans all over. In fact, I believe this zerg revolution led by Savior is one of the biggest (if not the biggest) changes made to a match up in progaming history. The thing is, the better zergs got at mutalisk harass, the more difficult the maps got to use this new skill in. In fact, the zerg revolution was butt raped by the map makers who basically cancelled out the improvements made by the zerg players by making gay maps.

Protoss was struggling against zergs too, but when Bisu changed the match-ups, the map makers made it even more double-nexus friendly, gave even more minerals, made it easy for protoss to gain their 3rd gas.

How come when zergs improve, it needs to be cancelled out, but when protoss gain ground in PvZ, the map makers make it all the more easier?

Bisu and the so called six dragons are really benefitting from this "protoss friendly era", though it is true that they are very talented players. I'm just real tired of map makers making the same old maps that make PvZ easy with three easy steps while telling zerg players to use friggin' queens or die against terrans.


blue storm is pretty muta friendly?
kemoryan
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Spain1506 Posts
January 09 2009 12:05 GMT
#482
On January 09 2009 20:45 MrHoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 20:44 fearus wrote:
Whos going to cut their wrist like I am?

Not me, I am celebrating because I am fans of (T)Flash (Z)Jaedong and (T)firebathero

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA


Lol. Whoever celebrates because someone like Bisu gets knocked out at row 32 is dumb. The OSL just lost one of its best players. It's like losing flash or jaedong at row 32... simply sucks.
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meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 12:36:56
January 09 2009 12:05 GMT
#483
OH MY GOD. Poor Bisu. Better luck in the next OSL.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 09 2009 12:05 GMT
#484
Blue storm is over a year old, and hasn't been that muta friendly for over half a year... I don't get why they changed it, 1.1 was fine.
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nozaro33
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Taiwan1819 Posts
January 09 2009 12:06 GMT
#485
epic fail for 1000+ liquidbets
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Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
January 09 2009 12:06 GMT
#486
On January 09 2009 21:05 kemoryan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 20:45 MrHoon wrote:
On January 09 2009 20:44 fearus wrote:
Whos going to cut their wrist like I am?

Not me, I am celebrating because I am fans of (T)Flash (Z)Jaedong and (T)firebathero

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA


Lol. Whoever celebrates because someone like Bisu gets knocked out at row 32 is dumb. The OSL just lost one of its best players. It's like losing flash or jaedong at row 32... simply sucks.


Which is quite likely to happen in the MSL because of what Bisu did at the MSL group selection. Hence the celebration and shouts of "karma".
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Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 12:07:54
January 09 2009 12:07 GMT
#487
i'm a sad panda

btw theres a magma interview in scforall.
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 09 2009 12:07 GMT
#488
On January 09 2009 21:05 kemoryan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 20:45 MrHoon wrote:
On January 09 2009 20:44 fearus wrote:
Whos going to cut their wrist like I am?

Not me, I am celebrating because I am fans of (T)Flash (Z)Jaedong and (T)firebathero

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA


Lol. Whoever celebrates because someone like Bisu gets knocked out at row 32 is dumb. The OSL just lost one of its best players. It's like losing flash or jaedong at row 32... simply sucks.

haha this is my favorite post of all time.
dats racist
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
January 09 2009 12:08 GMT
#489
On January 09 2009 21:04 dongfeng wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 21:00 Letmelose wrote:
Ok maybe this is the wrong thread to post this on, but here it goes anyway.

One of my biggest gripes when it comes to the issue of balance is consistency.

When zergs finally stood up to terrans with the art of 3 hatch play, mutalisk control, defiler and nydus canal usage. It shocked the terrans all over. In fact, I believe this zerg revolution led by Savior is one of the biggest (if not the biggest) changes made to a match up in progaming history. The thing is, the better zergs got at mutalisk harass, the more difficult the maps got to use this new skill in. In fact, the zerg revolution was butt raped by the map makers who basically cancelled out the improvements made by the zerg players by making gay maps.

Protoss was struggling against zergs too, but when Bisu changed the match-ups, the map makers made it even more double-nexus friendly, gave even more minerals, made it easy for protoss to gain their 3rd gas.

How come when zergs improve, it needs to be cancelled out, but when protoss gain ground in PvZ, the map makers make it all the more easier?

Bisu and the so called six dragons are really benefitting from this "protoss friendly era", though it is true that they are very talented players. I'm just real tired of map makers making the same old maps that make PvZ easy with three easy steps while telling zerg players to use friggin' queens or die against terrans.


blue storm is pretty muta friendly?


The instant 2 hatch mutalisk killed terrans. They changed it.

When zergs die to mechanic play, people tell them to improve.

When terrans die to 2 hatch mutalisk by doing the same old 1 barrack expand play, people don't tell terrans to do 1 base play, or use valks to stop it, they just change the map so mutalisk raids become useless.
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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 12:10:14
January 09 2009 12:09 GMT
#490
On January 09 2009 21:05 kemoryan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 20:45 MrHoon wrote:
On January 09 2009 20:44 fearus wrote:
Whos going to cut their wrist like I am?

Not me, I am celebrating because I am fans of (T)Flash (Z)Jaedong and (T)firebathero

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA


Lol. Whoever celebrates because someone like Bisu gets knocked out at row 32 is dumb. The OSL just lost one of its best players. It's like losing flash or jaedong at row 32... simply sucks.

Meh I was extremely happy when JD was outed by han and casy in OSL, so I guess the reaction of the bisu haters is pretty much predictable and I pretty much dont care about them
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jhNz
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany2762 Posts
January 09 2009 12:10 GMT
#491
wtf? T_T
http://twitter.com/jhNz
whatusername
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada1181 Posts
January 09 2009 12:12 GMT
#492
wait does this mean bisu is eliminated??? YESSS
im gay
4Servy
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands1542 Posts
January 09 2009 12:12 GMT
#493
By.hero is gona win the osl xD
Bifur
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Russian Federation1208 Posts
January 09 2009 12:17 GMT
#494
WWWWHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTT!!!!
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
January 09 2009 12:21 GMT
#495
holy shit man
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
January 09 2009 12:22 GMT
#496
...
does bisu NOT want to win an osl?
cw)minsean(ru
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36379 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 12:29:46
January 09 2009 12:23 GMT
#497
On January 09 2009 21:00 Letmelose wrote:
Ok maybe this is the wrong thread to post this on, but here it goes anyway.

One of my biggest gripes when it comes to the issue of balance is consistency.

When zergs finally stood up to terrans with the art of 3 hatch play, mutalisk control, defiler and nydus canal usage. It shocked the terrans all over. In fact, I believe this zerg revolution led by Savior is one of the biggest (if not the biggest) changes made to a match up in progaming history. The thing is, the better zergs got at mutalisk harass, the more difficult the maps got to use this new skill in. In fact, the zerg revolution was butt raped by the map makers who basically cancelled out the improvements made by the zerg players by making gay maps.

Protoss was struggling against zergs too, but when Bisu changed the match-ups, the map makers made it even more double-nexus friendly, gave even more minerals, made it easy for protoss to gain their 3rd gas.

How come when zergs improve, it needs to be cancelled out, but when protoss gain ground in PvZ, the map makers make it all the more easier?

Bisu and the so called six dragons are really benefitting from this "protoss friendly era", though it is true that they are very talented players. I'm just real tired of map makers making the same old maps that make PvZ easy with three easy steps while telling zerg players to use friggin' queens or die against terrans.

I don't think it's this simple. Nobody plays PvZ like Bisu. Nobody. It's not even close. Lots of players try to play like Bisu, but they never get it right. Most of the dragons have their own PvZ styles, each subtly distinct from each other, but Bisu's is just far different. Kal's is the closest, but Bisu is still far and away different.

It's the same with July, Savior, and Jaedong in ZvT during their respective eras. You cite Savior as someone who changed the ZvT, he did but only in the defiler / hive play part. He never used his mutas the way Jaedong, Yarnc, or Luxury did with their ultra-aggressive two hatch muta builds. Savior rarely if ever killed Terrans with his mutas, he often just kept the mutas alive well into late game to stop drops, harass expansions, etc.

Imo the timeline for PvZ / ZvP strategically goes as follows (pardon me if its not 100% correct, i'm not that sure):

  • Protoss do one base builds, they are successful on maps with really short rush distances like Requiem. They also succeed on island maps for obvious reasons. But on maps with long distances, easily defendable naturals, or cliffs, Protoss gets owned by lurkers and late game ZvP.

  • FEs begin to be used (started by Nal_rA) but are never really effective, as they give the Z way too much map control and the timing attack (most often +1 speedzeal) is easily dealt with by Zerg lair tech.

  • It gets even worse with Savior at the top. Even though no other Zergs are showcasing the type of dominance Savior does, it still feels impossible. Savior takes the map, turtles with lurkers and scourge, and then plows you over late game with ultras. Best case scenario? Allin or elimination race like Nal_rA did on peaks. The true dark ages of PvZ.

  • Bisu shows up and introduces FE and corsair play. Corsairs absolutely rape Zerg. Read this thread for why: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=60959. Protoss start FEing every single time, and one base play 100% dies.

  • Protoss players experiment with FE openings, all involving one or more corsairs, with reaver variants, dark templar variants, timing attacks with goons, etc.

  • Jaedong comes up with a build on blue storm that exploits the corsair timing, by going 3 hatch spire and doesn't built mutas, but only scourge to stop corsairs while adding more hatches and drones and expos. THEN he switches to mass ground in time for the first Protoss attack, mixing in better, more efficient dark swarm and plague usage than ever before.

  • Protoss get better at playing versus this, massing critical corsair numbers and using the reaver-FE variant which has become far more popular than the sair-dt opening. the "passive" protoss style of small-scale reaver-sair harass while taking bases and building a huge one-punch army is prevalent among all tosses now. Free, Bisu, and others incorporate more late game reavers into their armies to deal with ultraling better. Zergs respond with more dswarm and plague.

  • Zerg haven't fully responded, but it seems the next step is burrow hydra / burrow ling (infolings!) and possibly parasite to deal with the harass, into mass hydra (with less lurkers) to allow for more mobility, aggressiveness, and exploitation the delayed storm. Not really sure how this will go yet.


The main difference between older ZvP and modern ZvP is that during the Savior era, Zergs simply played defensive and attempted to last until late game and then they were home free. Bisu gave Protosses a way to very effectively attack a Zerg who is doing this, before Bisu P's had no "safe" option to do this while taking bases.

Jaedong came up with a way to defend even better, but P's are still finding holes with new and improved mini reaver-sair builds and better army mix/timing/control. Thus, I believe that its now shifting the other way, that the Zergs will have to become more aggressive, using drops and risky plays to gain advantage over "standard" protoss FE-->harass-->expand-->army timing.
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darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
January 09 2009 12:26 GMT
#498
On January 09 2009 21:03 Rostam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 20:55 Hot_Bid wrote:
On January 09 2009 20:50 darktreb wrote:
On January 09 2009 20:44 Rostam wrote:
On January 09 2009 20:42 Shikyo wrote:
Hey, I just thought about something! Maybe the 2-1 vs Ruby wasn't a fluke? =o


Yeah really. By.hero is in both leagues now (his MSL group is Much, Upmagic, YarnC) so I'm a bit curious to see how he does as the tournaments progress.


Wow, I didn't realize that - it's pretty impressive. There's a reasonable (though not strong) chance that Hero actually ends up being the ONLY Zerg to get to RO16 of both leagues! JD will probably do it, but seeing as how he would have to beat two of FBH/Flash/Hwasin, hasn't even officially qualified for OSL RO16, and needs to play two matches to get into OSL, it's no sure thing! Some other Zergs have a chance too.

1. GGPlay is already seeded into OSL Ro16

2. Luxury, Yarnc, July, and Jaedong, the four best Zergs at the moment (aside from Effort) have yet to play their groups. You have to figure at least one of them makes it through.

3. MSL Ro16 is way too far off to be predicting whether one player is the only one to make it through, the racial distribution of 14/8/8 makes it really unlikely one race gets shut out.

4. MSL Ro32 Group A has three Zergs in it, one of Savior / Zero / Magma will make it.


He's saying he might be the only zerg to reach the ro16 in both leagues at the same time.

The zergs still in both leagues besides by.hero are:

YarnC (who has pretty easy groups in both leagues, wouldn't be surprised to see him in both ro16s)
Luxury (Kal and Leta in his MSL group, but he should be able to beat either Hiya or Shuttle in OSL. Wouldn't be surprised however if he's eliminated from one or both)
Jaedong (Group of death in MSL, vs Tazza and Light in OSL)

If he does make it even if all of the above 3 do that's some pretty elite company, nothing to scoff at in any case. He also might fall on his face, we'll just have to see.


Yeah, I was unclear earlier - I meant both RO16's at the same time. Thanks.
amanet
Profile Joined December 2007
Croatia334 Posts
January 09 2009 12:34 GMT
#499
bisu underestimated zerg guy. thats why he lost.
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
January 09 2009 12:48 GMT
#500
On January 09 2009 02:01 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
(Z)by.hero 2-0 (T)RuBy
and
(P)Bisu 1-2 (Z)by.hero

+ Show Spoiler +
Seriously (P)Bisu 0-2 (Z)by.hero, I was just giving hope for Bisu


2/2 liquibet :D
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17730 Posts
January 09 2009 12:51 GMT
#501
Wow wtf to this group

The guy i expected to lose 0-2 beats ruby 2-1 and bisu 2-0 two of the best vs zerg players currently.
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ChaoSbringer
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Australia1382 Posts
January 09 2009 12:54 GMT
#502
I just remembered I had Bisu on my Fantasy OSL team.

Damn
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
January 09 2009 13:09 GMT
#503
That's a huuuuge upset. Who would have thought that one of two best PvZers will get knocked out by some pretty much unknown guy. I need desperately to watch the VODs of that group. But wow, I guess Bisu will have to wait for his OSL title a bit longer.

Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
January 09 2009 13:14 GMT
#504
On January 09 2009 21:23 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 21:00 Letmelose wrote:
Ok maybe this is the wrong thread to post this on, but here it goes anyway.

One of my biggest gripes when it comes to the issue of balance is consistency.

When zergs finally stood up to terrans with the art of 3 hatch play, mutalisk control, defiler and nydus canal usage. It shocked the terrans all over. In fact, I believe this zerg revolution led by Savior is one of the biggest (if not the biggest) changes made to a match up in progaming history. The thing is, the better zergs got at mutalisk harass, the more difficult the maps got to use this new skill in. In fact, the zerg revolution was butt raped by the map makers who basically cancelled out the improvements made by the zerg players by making gay maps.

Protoss was struggling against zergs too, but when Bisu changed the match-ups, the map makers made it even more double-nexus friendly, gave even more minerals, made it easy for protoss to gain their 3rd gas.

How come when zergs improve, it needs to be cancelled out, but when protoss gain ground in PvZ, the map makers make it all the more easier?

Bisu and the so called six dragons are really benefitting from this "protoss friendly era", though it is true that they are very talented players. I'm just real tired of map makers making the same old maps that make PvZ easy with three easy steps while telling zerg players to use friggin' queens or die against terrans.

I don't think it's this simple. Nobody plays PvZ like Bisu. Nobody. It's not even close. Lots of players try to play like Bisu, but they never get it right. Most of the dragons have their own PvZ styles, each subtly distinct from each other, but Bisu's is just far different. Kal's is the closest, but Bisu is still far and away different.

It's the same with July, Savior, and Jaedong in ZvT during their respective eras. You cite Savior as someone who changed the ZvT, he did but only in the defiler / hive play part. He never used his mutas the way Jaedong, Yarnc, or Luxury did with their ultra-aggressive two hatch muta builds. Savior rarely if ever killed Terrans with his mutas, he often just kept the mutas alive well into late game to stop drops, harass expansions, etc.

Imo the timeline for PvZ / ZvP strategically goes as follows (pardon me if its not 100% correct, i'm not that sure):

  • Protoss do one base builds, they are successful on maps with really short rush distances like Requiem. They also succeed on island maps for obvious reasons. But on maps with long distances, easily defendable naturals, or cliffs, Protoss gets owned by lurkers and late game ZvP.

  • FEs begin to be used (started by Nal_rA) but are never really effective, as they give the Z way too much map control and the timing attack (most often +1 speedzeal) is easily dealt with by Zerg lair tech.

  • It gets even worse with Savior at the top. Even though no other Zergs are showcasing the type of dominance Savior does, it still feels impossible. Savior takes the map, turtles with lurkers and scourge, and then plows you over late game with ultras. Best case scenario? Allin or elimination race like Nal_rA did on peaks. The true dark ages of PvZ.

  • Bisu shows up and introduces FE and corsair play. Corsairs absolutely rape Zerg. Read this thread for why: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=60959. Protoss start FEing every single time, and one base play 100% dies.

  • Protoss players experiment with FE openings, all involving one or more corsairs, with reaver variants, dark templar variants, timing attacks with goons, etc.

  • Jaedong comes up with a build on blue storm that exploits the corsair timing, by going 3 hatch spire and doesn't built mutas, but only scourge to stop corsairs while adding more hatches and drones and expos. THEN he switches to mass ground in time for the first Protoss attack, mixing in better, more efficient dark swarm and plague usage than ever before.

  • Protoss get better at playing versus this, massing critical corsair numbers and using the reaver-FE variant which has become far more popular than the sair-dt opening. the "passive" protoss style of small-scale reaver-sair harass while taking bases and building a huge one-punch army is prevalent among all tosses now. Free, Bisu, and others incorporate more late game reavers into their armies to deal with ultraling better. Zergs respond with more dswarm and plague.

  • Zerg haven't fully responded, but it seems the next step is burrow hydra / burrow ling (infolings!) and possibly parasite to deal with the harass, into mass hydra (with less lurkers) to allow for more mobility, aggressiveness, and exploitation the delayed storm. Not really sure how this will go yet.


The main difference between older ZvP and modern ZvP is that during the Savior era, Zergs simply played defensive and attempted to last until late game and then they were home free. Bisu gave Protosses a way to very effectively attack a Zerg who is doing this, before Bisu P's had no "safe" option to do this while taking bases.

Jaedong came up with a way to defend even better, but P's are still finding holes with new and improved mini reaver-sair builds and better army mix/timing/control. Thus, I believe that its now shifting the other way, that the Zergs will have to become more aggressive, using drops and risky plays to gain advantage over "standard" protoss FE-->harass-->expand-->army timing.


I actually believe PvZ is pretty much balanced at this point. I just don't like the fact that map makers pay so much attention to keep the protoss players happy whilst taking no notice of the fact that ZvT is becoming more and more difficult for the zerg despite all the evolution in zerg play (which I personally think is bigger than protoss evolution). It actually doesn't matter whether Bisu stands alone at the top because protoss players now have no difficulty overcoming zergs. Maps like Raid Assault and Rush Hour have given way to protoss friendly maps like Katrina and Colosseum. Can Bisu strut his unique PvZ on maps like RH3? I think protoss have done well to evolve, but maps have played a large part in the recent protoss domination.

Zergs didn't crush protoss like everyone seems to think pre-Bisu era. In fact, ZvT has consistently been the most unbalanced match-up in progaming since 2005. Nal Ra's FE did more to the protoss than you give him credit for. Everyone remembers how Savior toyed with the protoss in 2006, but seem to forget that most protosses had much less difficulty defeating zergs in general. People complained so much about Savior, they forgot about the other zergs who were having a real hard time against protoss in maps like Longinus. Even Savior played very cunningly on these maps in order to win.

In an age where TvP and PvZ has become pretty much balanced, it's a real shame that ZvT has become such a bitch to win.
TL+ Member
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10777 Posts
January 09 2009 13:20 GMT
#505
Zerg qualifies, me happy!
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 13:28:39
January 09 2009 13:27 GMT
#506
Aw man, I knew the age of Bisu doing well in starleagues and proleague was too good to be true. Oh well, if he tears up GOM I'll be more than happy. And then he'll win the OSL after this one. >_>
monstar123
Profile Joined December 2008
United States516 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 13:35:36
January 09 2009 13:32 GMT
#507
On January 09 2009 22:14 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 21:23 Hot_Bid wrote:
On January 09 2009 21:00 Letmelose wrote:
Ok maybe this is the wrong thread to post this on, but here it goes anyway.

One of my biggest gripes when it comes to the issue of balance is consistency.

When zergs finally stood up to terrans with the art of 3 hatch play, mutalisk control, defiler and nydus canal usage. It shocked the terrans all over. In fact, I believe this zerg revolution led by Savior is one of the biggest (if not the biggest) changes made to a match up in progaming history. The thing is, the better zergs got at mutalisk harass, the more difficult the maps got to use this new skill in. In fact, the zerg revolution was butt raped by the map makers who basically cancelled out the improvements made by the zerg players by making gay maps.

Protoss was struggling against zergs too, but when Bisu changed the match-ups, the map makers made it even more double-nexus friendly, gave even more minerals, made it easy for protoss to gain their 3rd gas.

How come when zergs improve, it needs to be cancelled out, but when protoss gain ground in PvZ, the map makers make it all the more easier?

Bisu and the so called six dragons are really benefitting from this "protoss friendly era", though it is true that they are very talented players. I'm just real tired of map makers making the same old maps that make PvZ easy with three easy steps while telling zerg players to use friggin' queens or die against terrans.

I don't think it's this simple. Nobody plays PvZ like Bisu. Nobody. It's not even close. Lots of players try to play like Bisu, but they never get it right. Most of the dragons have their own PvZ styles, each subtly distinct from each other, but Bisu's is just far different. Kal's is the closest, but Bisu is still far and away different.

It's the same with July, Savior, and Jaedong in ZvT during their respective eras. You cite Savior as someone who changed the ZvT, he did but only in the defiler / hive play part. He never used his mutas the way Jaedong, Yarnc, or Luxury did with their ultra-aggressive two hatch muta builds. Savior rarely if ever killed Terrans with his mutas, he often just kept the mutas alive well into late game to stop drops, harass expansions, etc.

Imo the timeline for PvZ / ZvP strategically goes as follows (pardon me if its not 100% correct, i'm not that sure):

  • Protoss do one base builds, they are successful on maps with really short rush distances like Requiem. They also succeed on island maps for obvious reasons. But on maps with long distances, easily defendable naturals, or cliffs, Protoss gets owned by lurkers and late game ZvP.

  • FEs begin to be used (started by Nal_rA) but are never really effective, as they give the Z way too much map control and the timing attack (most often +1 speedzeal) is easily dealt with by Zerg lair tech.

  • It gets even worse with Savior at the top. Even though no other Zergs are showcasing the type of dominance Savior does, it still feels impossible. Savior takes the map, turtles with lurkers and scourge, and then plows you over late game with ultras. Best case scenario? Allin or elimination race like Nal_rA did on peaks. The true dark ages of PvZ.

  • Bisu shows up and introduces FE and corsair play. Corsairs absolutely rape Zerg. Read this thread for why: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=60959. Protoss start FEing every single time, and one base play 100% dies.

  • Protoss players experiment with FE openings, all involving one or more corsairs, with reaver variants, dark templar variants, timing attacks with goons, etc.

  • Jaedong comes up with a build on blue storm that exploits the corsair timing, by going 3 hatch spire and doesn't built mutas, but only scourge to stop corsairs while adding more hatches and drones and expos. THEN he switches to mass ground in time for the first Protoss attack, mixing in better, more efficient dark swarm and plague usage than ever before.

  • Protoss get better at playing versus this, massing critical corsair numbers and using the reaver-FE variant which has become far more popular than the sair-dt opening. the "passive" protoss style of small-scale reaver-sair harass while taking bases and building a huge one-punch army is prevalent among all tosses now. Free, Bisu, and others incorporate more late game reavers into their armies to deal with ultraling better. Zergs respond with more dswarm and plague.

  • Zerg haven't fully responded, but it seems the next step is burrow hydra / burrow ling (infolings!) and possibly parasite to deal with the harass, into mass hydra (with less lurkers) to allow for more mobility, aggressiveness, and exploitation the delayed storm. Not really sure how this will go yet.


The main difference between older ZvP and modern ZvP is that during the Savior era, Zergs simply played defensive and attempted to last until late game and then they were home free. Bisu gave Protosses a way to very effectively attack a Zerg who is doing this, before Bisu P's had no "safe" option to do this while taking bases.

Jaedong came up with a way to defend even better, but P's are still finding holes with new and improved mini reaver-sair builds and better army mix/timing/control. Thus, I believe that its now shifting the other way, that the Zergs will have to become more aggressive, using drops and risky plays to gain advantage over "standard" protoss FE-->harass-->expand-->army timing.


I actually believe PvZ is pretty much balanced at this point. I just don't like the fact that map makers pay so much attention to keep the protoss players happy whilst taking no notice of the fact that ZvT is becoming more and more difficult for the zerg despite all the evolution in zerg play (which I personally think is bigger than protoss evolution). It actually doesn't matter whether Bisu stands alone at the top because protoss players now have no difficulty overcoming zergs. Maps like Raid Assault and Rush Hour have given way to protoss friendly maps like Katrina and Colosseum. Can Bisu strut his unique PvZ on maps like RH3? I think protoss have done well to evolve, but maps have played a large part in the recent protoss domination.

Zergs didn't crush protoss like everyone seems to think pre-Bisu era. In fact, ZvT has consistently been the most unbalanced match-up in progaming since 2005. Nal Ra's FE did more to the protoss than you give him credit for. Everyone remembers how Savior toyed with the protoss in 2006, but seem to forget that most protosses had much less difficulty defeating zergs in general. People complained so much about Savior, they forgot about the other zergs who were having a real hard time against protoss in maps like Longinus. Even Savior played very cunningly on these maps in order to win.

In an age where TvP and PvZ has become pretty much balanced, it's a real shame that ZvT has become such a bitch to win.



Oh, man. Who complained about Savior. Sry for offtop. I'm new here. So i just want to to know. What ppl thought about Savior at that time. MB i will give me URL for threads or explain me what is what ? Did korean ppl complained about MJY ?
Thx for attention
ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
January 09 2009 13:36 GMT
#508
Thanks by.hero for destroying OSL. Dumbfuck.
Bisu. The one and only. // Save the cheerreaver, save the world (of SC2)
doubleupgradeobbies!
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia1187 Posts
January 09 2009 13:37 GMT
#509
by.hero better win this whole thing, or i'll be so angry you won't believe it!
MSL, 2003-2011, RIP. OSL, 2000-2012, RIP. Proleague, 2003-2012, RIP. And then there was none... Even good things must come to an end.
Pioneer
Profile Joined December 2008
994 Posts
January 09 2009 13:48 GMT
#510
On January 09 2009 22:14 Letmelose wrote:
Zergs didn't crush protoss like everyone seems to think pre-Bisu era. In fact, ZvT has consistently been the most unbalanced match-up in progaming since 2005.

ZvT is actually pretty close to 50/50 if you look at the statistics for ZvT on recent maps.
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
January 09 2009 13:48 GMT
#511
On January 09 2009 21:07 MrHoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 21:05 kemoryan wrote:
On January 09 2009 20:45 MrHoon wrote:
On January 09 2009 20:44 fearus wrote:
Whos going to cut their wrist like I am?

Not me, I am celebrating because I am fans of (T)Flash (Z)Jaedong and (T)firebathero

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA


Lol. Whoever celebrates because someone like Bisu gets knocked out at row 32 is dumb. The OSL just lost one of its best players. It's like losing flash or jaedong at row 32... simply sucks.

haha this is my favorite post of all time.

you just hurt a fanboy's heart. lol.
Woo Jung Ho
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
January 09 2009 13:57 GMT
#512
On January 09 2009 22:36 ondik wrote:
Thanks by.hero for destroying OSL. Dumbfuck.


Bisu wanted to destroy MSL by his changes in groups and now got punished for it (at least I like to think that way).
Fwmeh
Profile Joined April 2008
1286 Posts
January 09 2009 14:03 GMT
#513
On January 09 2009 22:48 Pioneer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 22:14 Letmelose wrote:
Zergs didn't crush protoss like everyone seems to think pre-Bisu era. In fact, ZvT has consistently been the most unbalanced match-up in progaming since 2005.

ZvT is actually pretty close to 50/50 if you look at the statistics for ZvT on recent maps.

From TLPD, this seasons proleague.

TvZ: 63-46 (57.8%) [ Games ]
ZvP: 60-46 (56.6%) [ Games ]
PvT: 53-47 (53%) [ Games ]

Not that close.
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Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 14:11:47
January 09 2009 14:11 GMT
#514
I knew I had good reason for a bad feeling about this group. Man, this will be my first time as a fan of pro starcraft without Bisu in a league. Got into it after his first MSL win.
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
January 09 2009 14:15 GMT
#515
Hahaha, this is quite the result to wake up to. ^^
觀過斯知仁矣.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
January 09 2009 14:19 GMT
#516
good for by.hero... but I'm sad for bisu
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Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6103 Posts
January 09 2009 14:20 GMT
#517
On January 09 2009 22:48 Pioneer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 22:14 Letmelose wrote:
Zergs didn't crush protoss like everyone seems to think pre-Bisu era. In fact, ZvT has consistently been the most unbalanced match-up in progaming since 2005.

ZvT is actually pretty close to 50/50 if you look at the statistics for ZvT on recent maps.


Last 80 tvz's: terran 56 wins, zerg 24 wins.

This is arguably why jaedong is the best starcraft player ever.

But yea tvz is easily the most imba matchup now and historically.
#1 Terran hater
SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 14:32:58
January 09 2009 14:21 GMT
#518
This is just the universe balancing itself out because Bisu got lucky in kicking Flash out of the GSL.

So much for Bisu becoming the new ELO peak leader. The curse of Flash has prevented him!
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 14:44:11
January 09 2009 14:27 GMT
#519
I'm so mad right now, I can't even believe it.

This was your OSL!
Bah.
sh02hp0869
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden460 Posts
January 09 2009 14:36 GMT
#520
My think that Bisu might be overworked? Not saying Hero playing bad but Protoss have been having some problem v Z in the last mouth.
Hello mother hello father
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8131 Posts
January 09 2009 14:36 GMT
#521
On January 09 2009 01:05 Ideas wrote:
(Z)by.hero 4-1




I FUCKING CALLLED THIS MOTHERFUCKING SHIT


BY.HERO


SAVED THE WORLD FROM BISU HAVING NUMBER 1 ELO PEAK OF ALL TIME

MY HERO
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rekluce
Profile Joined June 2007
United States51 Posts
January 09 2009 14:55 GMT
#522
/wrist o.o the legend has fallen
boxer > jaedong folks
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
January 09 2009 14:57 GMT
#523
wow, nice on by.hero.
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
January 09 2009 14:57 GMT
#524
hero, you are a hero to my race. hero, you are a hero to my race. hero, you are a hero to my race. hero, you are a hero to my race.
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
Abydos1
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States832 Posts
January 09 2009 14:59 GMT
#525
On January 09 2009 21:54 ChaoSbringer wrote:
I just remembered I had Bisu on my Fantasy OSL team.

Damn


Indeed, WTF!
"...perhaps the greatest joy possible in Starcraft, being accused of being a maphacker" - Day[9]
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 15:05:13
January 09 2009 14:59 GMT
#526
On January 09 2009 23:36 sh02hp0869 wrote:
My think that Bisu might be overworked? Not saying Hero playing bad but Protoss have been having some problem v Z in the last mouth.

The number of games since the beginning of December. Of these, I think Leta handles the overworking the best, but might crumble just like Flash did.

Bisu

17

Flash

20

Leta

20


You're kind of right but good players play a lot... Hmm.


EDIT:

+ 09-01-09 Batoo 2008 OSL (Twilight) Return of the King (T)RuBy Win
+ 09-01-09 Batoo 2008 OSL (Twilight) Medusa (T)RuBy Win
+ 09-01-09 Batoo 2008 OSL (Twilight) Tears of the Moon (Z)RuBy Loss

Why is the lost Ruby a Z? =P
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Storchen
Profile Joined September 2006
Sweden4385 Posts
January 09 2009 15:01 GMT
#527
WTF?! T_T
KnightOfNi
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1508 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 15:18:05
January 09 2009 15:15 GMT
#528
BOOOOOOOOOM.
by.hero laid down the BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM.

He takes out Boxer in the GOM, now takes out Bisu in the OSL, he's a 1-man SKT killing machine. Me likey .

I'd been just biding my time waiting for a zerg to advance, but I sure as hell wasn't expecting this.
RIP eSTRO :(
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7220 Posts
January 09 2009 15:20 GMT
#529
YESSSSSSSSS I've been saying hero is the next big thing for months!!
Entusman #12
Pioneer
Profile Joined December 2008
994 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 15:28:27
January 09 2009 15:25 GMT
#530
On January 09 2009 23:20 Highways wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 22:48 Pioneer wrote:
On January 09 2009 22:14 Letmelose wrote:
Zergs didn't crush protoss like everyone seems to think pre-Bisu era. In fact, ZvT has consistently been the most unbalanced match-up in progaming since 2005.

ZvT is actually pretty close to 50/50 if you look at the statistics for ZvT on recent maps.


Last 80 tvz's: terran 56 wins, zerg 24 wins.

This is arguably why jaedong is the best starcraft player ever.

But yea tvz is easily the most imba matchup now and historically.

A lot of those Zerg losses came from Andromeda which severly favors Terran TvZ, look at Medusa's TvZ record. It can go both ways, it's not Zerg having a non map dependent advantage it's the maps favoring them. Race's being favored on maps changes like clockwork, soon enough there will be maps that favor Z over P.

You also need to count in that Zerg's are playing terribly overall, it's not all race imbalance/map imbalance. It's Zerg's not adapting to different styles, going all-in every game with some 2 hatch build will only work 50% of the time.
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
January 09 2009 15:27 GMT
#531
OOOWAAAHHH?!
Hi.
kingrat
Profile Joined September 2003
Bulgaria60 Posts
January 09 2009 15:30 GMT
#532
wow I am so happy now. Great job Hero!
SkyTheUnknown
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Germany2065 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 15:45:15
January 09 2009 15:31 GMT
#533
On January 09 2009 22:36 ondik wrote:
Thanks by.hero for destroying OSL. Dumbfuck.


Stop posting in this thread unless you give the players more respect.

Furthermore you could easily say the same thing about Bisu regarding the MSL.
The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown - H.P. Lovecraft
LightRailCoyote
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States982 Posts
January 09 2009 15:32 GMT
#534
WHERE YOU AT?
WHERE YOU AT?
WHERE YOU AT?
GET YO ASS WHOOPED
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Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
January 09 2009 15:56 GMT
#535
Where are the VODs? I need to see this.
sh02hp0869
Profile Joined January 2008
Sweden460 Posts
January 09 2009 16:11 GMT
#536
On January 10 2009 00:25 Pioneer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 23:20 Highways wrote:
On January 09 2009 22:48 Pioneer wrote:
On January 09 2009 22:14 Letmelose wrote:
Zergs didn't crush protoss like everyone seems to think pre-Bisu era. In fact, ZvT has consistently been the most unbalanced match-up in progaming since 2005.

ZvT is actually pretty close to 50/50 if you look at the statistics for ZvT on recent maps.


Last 80 tvz's: terran 56 wins, zerg 24 wins.

This is arguably why jaedong is the best starcraft player ever.

But yea tvz is easily the most imba matchup now and historically.

A lot of those Zerg losses came from Andromeda which severly favors Terran TvZ, look at Medusa's TvZ record. It can go both ways, it's not Zerg having a non map dependent advantage it's the maps favoring them. Race's being favored on maps changes like clockwork, soon enough there will be maps that favor Z over P.

You also need to count in that Zerg's are playing terribly overall, it's not all race imbalance/map imbalance. It's Zerg's not adapting to different styles, going all-in every game with some 2 hatch build will only work 50% of the time.


Zergs has actually not played that bad v P im pretty sure about that. And if you actually watch games by the lesser know Z like Shine, Zero, Saint, type-b, great are actually really good players.
T have only slighty better topp 30 I would say. And even if it is true that Z are playing terrible 56 - 24 is way to high to make that of a diffrent. More so if you look at the top T almost everone have there best MU against Z. Z are not playing bad against Protoss thats for sure. It might only by temporary we just have to wait and see.

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Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 17:16:55
January 09 2009 16:22 GMT
#537
Sweeet, this is awesome news xD

And they say that by.hero can save us......

Don't hate the player - Hate the game
bubblegumbo
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Taiwan1296 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 16:26:32
January 09 2009 16:26 GMT
#538
BIsu overworked? lol? Everyone has proleague to worry about. When you are in 2 or more semi-finals at the same time versus multiple matchups, then that argument is valid. Bisu lost, so has Stork, Jangbi, Free and Kal in the recent weeks. Get over it.
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper is a genius. For man to survive, they need toilet paper!"- Nal_rA
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 16:27:39
January 09 2009 16:26 GMT
#539
On January 09 2009 21:23 Hot_Bid wrote:

  • Protoss do one base builds, they are successful on maps with really short rush distances like Requiem. They also succeed on island maps for obvious reasons. But on maps with long distances, easily defendable naturals, or cliffs, Protoss gets owned by lurkers and late game ZvP.

    yup

  • FEs begin to be used (started by Nal_rA) but are never really effective, as they give the Z way too much map control and the timing attack (most often +1 speedzeal) is easily dealt with by Zerg lair tech.

    half true; maps like guillotine and forte allowed FE play and was preferred on those maps- it was a situational build not an everything build

  • It gets even worse with Savior at the top. Even though no other Zergs are showcasing the type of dominance Savior does, it still feels impossible. Savior takes the map, turtles with lurkers and scourge, and then plows you over late game with ultras. Best case scenario? Allin or elimination race like Nal_rA did on peaks. The true dark ages of PvZ.

    Half true; Dark ages for Protoss came before savior with the era of July/Gorush. With the savior era you begin to see a number of new protoss player flourish. Only other decent zvp'er at this time was silver (lol?)

  • Bisu shows up and introduces FE and corsair play. Corsairs absolutely rape Zerg. Read this thread for why: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=60959. Protoss start FEing every single time, and one base play 100% dies.

    Bisu did not introduce FE play. FE play was commonplace well before Bisu played savior (e.g Anytime vs GGplay/Gorush from Shinhan 2 OSL). A number of variations for the FE existed; 5gate +1 speedlot attack (Most Protoss e.g. Bisu in 06), Corsair/Zealot (Anytime), Reaver/Sair (on maps with easy third gases) and the Corsair/DT build (later popularized by Bisu). Protoss winrate vs Zerg starts to climb towards the end of 2006 with Protoss like Daezang showing real flair in PvZ (pioneered "bisu build" on Blitz). Bisu rapes savior, Protoss realize how good corsairs are and all variations of FE open with Stargate from here on (bar the occasional deviation).

  • Protoss players experiment with FE openings, all involving one or more corsairs, with reaver variants, dark templar variants, timing attacks with goons, etc.

    Partially true; they had already experimented a great deal with these openings (particular dragoon timing attacks). The most notable build to evolve during this time is the Sair/Reaver opening into standard ground play (previously sair/reaver usually meant it dominated early/mid game play, now it was just early). Protoss still very much followed the traditional bisu through this time.

  • Jaedong comes up with a build on blue storm that exploits the corsair timing, by going 3 hatch spire and doesn't built mutas, but only scourge to stop corsairs while adding more hatches and drones and expos. THEN he switches to mass ground in time for the first Protoss attack, mixing in better, more efficient dark swarm and plague usage than ever before.

    Partly true, 815 the master of Blue Storm found the timings to exploit Protoss on this map. Jaedong used this one on Blue Storm only. Jaedong dropped this style after this game and focused on the popular 4hatch-hydra-lair variation and won the MSL with this style. Zerg still generally struggle to deal with Protoss macro.

  • Protoss get better at playing versus this, massing critical corsair numbers and using the reaver-FE variant which has become far more popular than the sair-dt opening. the "passive" protoss style of small-scale reaver-sair harass while taking bases and building a huge one-punch army is prevalent among all tosses now. Free, Bisu, and others incorporate more late game reavers into their armies to deal with ultraling better. Zergs respond with more dswarm and plague.

    July rapes Best on Andromeda using the spire before hydraden build using scourge to snipe corsairs. This style of play becomes widely adopted on Andromeda and is quickly developed on other maps as well (becomes dominate Zerg style). Reavers has also grown in popularity from Nal_ra vs Savior on Peaks and were largely accepted as the late game weapon of choice of DA (see a number of Tau Cross games). Swarm plague came more in the Jaedong style between January-May 2008

  • Zerg haven't fully responded, but it seems the next step is burrow hydra / burrow ling (infolings!) and possibly parasite to deal with the harass, into mass hydra (with less lurkers) to allow for more mobility, aggressiveness, and exploitation the delayed storm. Not really sure how this will go yet.


Again, not quite true. Recent trends amongst protoss have favored the 4gate 2archon variation which gives a very strong pressure attack, but also includes 1 corsair for scouting purposes. Zerg have almost solved this as indicated by the rising winrate (notably on Destination) using a 3hatch -> lair -> spire -> hydraden build (similar to the one Jaedong/815 was using a long time ago). Zerg also begin to take expansions more freely to rival the protoss economy (previously Corsair/DT play prevented taking the 4th base due to geographical distance and overlord speed). Zerg also lessen emphasis on Hive tech units (defiler-lurker-ling combination of Jaedong) and begin to focus more on Lair tech and the "Neo-Sauron Zerg" style. Thus far the Neo Sauron has just about leveled the ZvP winrate.

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Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
January 09 2009 16:30 GMT
#540
On January 09 2009 09:15 Frits wrote:
Can't wait to return from exams tomorrow to find out that hero owned the shit out of ruby and bisu. Oh man that would make my day. Go hero.


lol I KNEW IT

god that DID make my day

cant wait for the vods
TarsTarkas
Profile Joined April 2007
United States169 Posts
January 09 2009 16:44 GMT
#541
So did hero play amazingly well, or did Bisu not care? what happened here?
Those who think they know everything, are very annoying to those of us who do. - Mark Twain
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
January 09 2009 16:48 GMT
#542
On January 10 2009 01:44 TarsTarkas wrote:
So did hero play amazingly well, or did Bisu not care? what happened here?


Obviously Bisu cared. How could he not care about OSL expecially given that he never won one? I am also waiting for vods but from reading LR it seems like Bisu got outplayed (and he played rather poorly).
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
January 09 2009 16:58 GMT
#543
Wow, how did this fucking happen? rofl. I skipped watching this ONE group, because I assumed Bisu would just roll it, and then this?! haha. *goes and gets the vods*
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UnS)DeathTrap
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada150 Posts
January 09 2009 16:59 GMT
#544
Hero delayed Bisu's best elo peak
Now we have to wait msl games
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
January 09 2009 17:07 GMT
#545
On January 10 2009 01:59 UnS)DeathTrap wrote:
Hero delayed Bisu's best elo peak
Now we have to wait msl games


magma and savior baby

count on it
Azrael1111
Profile Joined July 2008
United States550 Posts
January 09 2009 17:08 GMT
#546
I really doubt Bisu will break flashes peak, especially now.
Descent
Profile Joined January 2008
1244 Posts
January 09 2009 17:13 GMT
#547
...Are you serious? by.hero advanced, going 2-0 over Bisu? O_o This is a GOM-level upset, no? 0/2 for this group in Liquibet for me. =X
「 Dream & Future 」 ※ 「 STX SouL 」
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
January 09 2009 17:33 GMT
#548
Bisu confuses me.
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13063 Posts
January 09 2009 17:41 GMT
#549
lool bisu lost bo3 pvz Oo
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 18:03:29
January 09 2009 17:43 GMT
#550
Well it was fun while it last it ... No wonder all of you are so shoked that Bisu lost . When you overhype someone you never see it coming . I an the other hand knew better ....
STX is where the ZvP's true mastery on both side is with July and Kal and its not Bisu and Jaedong always thought that it's there and always will . Not to surprised with the results given by.hero is from STX i am a little surpsised that he beat Ruby thought , but i don't think to highly of Ruby enyways . I'm happy that an other zerg made it to the OSL and with this i can say that protoss dominance at least upon zerg is over .

That doesn't change the fact that Bisu is still a favourite in his MSL group .
I would be happy to see Savior beat him , but i don't think that will happen . Zero has the best chance of winning againts him and i don't know about Magma thought haven't seen to much of his games .
Darth_Ihsahn
Profile Joined June 2007
Mexico138 Posts
January 09 2009 17:52 GMT
#551
Overconfidence killed the man
What does not kill you makes you stronger.
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 17:53:25
January 09 2009 17:52 GMT
#552
Bisu lost to Jaedong 0-2 once in MSL looking at his game list, but otherwise his last losses date back to an 06 msl, sick.
LimitlessSky
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States434 Posts
January 09 2009 17:54 GMT
#553
Looks like Bisu needs to work on his pvz more, by.hero played very well and Bisu seem to struggle.

I have a Bisu and Savior picture as my background.....

Maybe Bisu will be the greatest msl champ ever hahahah
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vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
January 09 2009 17:56 GMT
#554
W T F
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
TheTyranid
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Russian Federation4333 Posts
January 09 2009 18:15 GMT
#555
YES!

Bisu down out of OSL

This is the beginning of the end of the protoss domination. I'm so happy right now.
TheTyranid
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Russian Federation4333 Posts
January 09 2009 18:15 GMT
#556
Tears of the Moon?

More like TEARS OF THE PROTOSS hahahaha.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4728 Posts
January 09 2009 18:18 GMT
#557
If this was the GOMTV-Intel classic and Bisu lost to Hero, there would already be 5 guys in here screaming: "Lol, noone is taking GOM seriously, he obviously didn't even train for it."

This happens in a game where someone with a 67% win-ratio is considered a god.
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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8553 Posts
January 09 2009 18:22 GMT
#558
Bisu has OSL--phobia, Best has MSL phobia. Lol, wtf happened?
Jaedong
GGQ
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2653 Posts
January 09 2009 18:31 GMT
#559
They are paying him. That's it. MBCgame are paying Bisu to always fail out of OSL and keep his fans watching MSL instead. Ok, now to watch to the VODs and figure out what really happened.
Braintricks
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
137 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 18:36:04
January 09 2009 18:31 GMT
#560
I'm retarded.
goddamn nerd rappers
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7220 Posts
January 09 2009 18:34 GMT
#561
On January 10 2009 03:31 Braintricks wrote:
Beats JD, then decides to lose to a noname zerg. wadafak. Don't you care about my liquibet bisu?

you mean bisu? the last time he beat jaedong was half a year ago
Entusman #12
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
January 09 2009 18:36 GMT
#562
he didnt beat jaedong and

On January 10 2009 03:18 Malinor wrote:
This happens in a game where someone with a 67% win-ratio is considered a god.


this.

I'm disappointed ~_~ but oh well, shit happens
Terran & Potato Salad.
Braintricks
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
137 Posts
January 09 2009 18:38 GMT
#563
Yeah, don't know where I got that idea in my head.
goddamn nerd rappers
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 18:41:17
January 09 2009 18:38 GMT
#564
i am guessing most of our fantasy OSL is fucked 1/5.

yup, i have him in it. -_- way to fucking go.
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
January 09 2009 19:02 GMT
#565
oh man bisu. I went to bed thinking "he has this" and then...-_-
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Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
January 09 2009 19:04 GMT
#566
wow bisu WTFFFFFF.
Zinbiel
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden878 Posts
January 09 2009 19:21 GMT
#567
luckily I at least got one decent protoss in my fantasy OSL despite this bisu guy didn't do his job. Backho for OSL champ!
Backho fan since 080416. Favourite terran: Mind. Favourite Zerg: Jaedong.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
January 09 2009 19:39 GMT
#568
On January 10 2009 02:43 raga4ka wrote:
Well it was fun while it last it ... No wonder all of you are so shoked that Bisu lost . When you overhype someone you never see it coming . I an the other hand knew better ....
STX is where the ZvP's true mastery on both side is with July and Kal and its not Bisu and Jaedong always thought that it's there and always will . Not to surprised with the results given by.hero is from STX i am a little surpsised that he beat Ruby thought , but i don't think to highly of Ruby enyways . I'm happy that an other zerg made it to the OSL and with this i can say that protoss dominance at least upon zerg is over .

That doesn't change the fact that Bisu is still a favourite in his MSL group .
I would be happy to see Savior beat him , but i don't think that will happen . Zero has the best chance of winning againts him and i don't know about Magma thought haven't seen to much of his games .

take a time and read the first page. many of us were worried about bisu's fall. the group stages of every tournament is where this guy could be outed, he underperforms every time in the first few games of every competition
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KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
January 09 2009 19:40 GMT
#569
Wooow Bisu got taken out by a rookie zerg! :O
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ambit!ous1
Profile Joined September 2007
United States3662 Posts
January 09 2009 20:20 GMT
#570
by.hero played really well

poor Bisu
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arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
January 09 2009 20:26 GMT
#571
I wish OSL whould have been like some other tournaments where you have to lose twice a BOx to be eliminated:-(
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Shiznick
Profile Joined December 2008
United States2200 Posts
January 09 2009 20:33 GMT
#572
Bisu lost? Fuuuuck.
LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
January 09 2009 20:38 GMT
#573
No not fuuuuck. Thank god.

Hero ftw :>
Chains none
mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 20:48:02
January 09 2009 20:43 GMT
#574
On January 09 2009 19:55 Hot_Bid wrote:
there has to be a reason why all Ts aren't going mech, its not fool proof that its better than bio, look at hyuk rampaging through mech in his group. mbc though seems to be avoiding it, sea and light don't mech often thus ruby doesn't.



Light actually has done mech quite a bit. As opposed to sea and ruby who havent done it at all.

And Forgg used mech too I recall, seems more his style as sometimes he just doesnt plain feel like microing. I dont know about a skill cap or anything like that using mech, but Id have to agree with hotbid in that its not foolproof confident in their standard play have no reason to do it unless the map calls for it or they wanna throw their opponent off.
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
January 09 2009 20:46 GMT
#575
I feel unfortunate for Bisu. But at the same time, I see more than just a possibility for my Maestro...
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
Yaqoob
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Canada3335 Posts
January 09 2009 20:58 GMT
#576
I was shocked seeing that Bisu lost 0-2 to by.Hero and I am going to have to watch the VODs to see the games
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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
January 09 2009 21:18 GMT
#577
On January 09 2009 21:23 Hot_Bid wrote:
[*]FEs begin to be used (started by Nal_rA) but are never really effective, as they give the Z way too much map control and the timing attack (most often +1 speedzeal) is easily dealt with by Zerg lair tech.


FE pvz is older than ra. I recall watching a replay of a pvz between grrrr... and sven in which grrrr... opened with fe -> +1speedzeal shortly after 1.08 came out. So fe pvz precedes ra by a year at the very least.

I also seem to remember arang feing a lot in the same time period.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
sillyboy_tomato
Profile Joined July 2008
United States157 Posts
January 09 2009 21:26 GMT
#578
bisu.. wow.. Against Zerg?? also on p favored map medusa.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
January 09 2009 21:28 GMT
#579
On January 09 2009 23:20 Highways wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 22:48 Pioneer wrote:
On January 09 2009 22:14 Letmelose wrote:
Zergs didn't crush protoss like everyone seems to think pre-Bisu era. In fact, ZvT has consistently been the most unbalanced match-up in progaming since 2005.

ZvT is actually pretty close to 50/50 if you look at the statistics for ZvT on recent maps.


Last 80 tvz's: terran 56 wins, zerg 24 wins.

This is arguably why jaedong is the best starcraft player ever.

But yea tvz is easily the most imba matchup now and historically.

When jaedong win 3 msls in a row and then wins the osl 3 times he can be considered the best starcraft player ever
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sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
January 09 2009 21:58 GMT
#580
rofl... really bisu? i guess i know how the anti-jaedonger's were feeling last time....
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d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
January 09 2009 22:06 GMT
#581
My fantasy OSL team is so screwed.
Hi.
amorpheus
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria2144 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 22:25:50
January 09 2009 22:25 GMT
#582
On January 10 2009 04:21 Zinbiel wrote:
Backho for OSL champ!

seconded!
now that Bisu is out of the OSL
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 22:41:46
January 09 2009 22:33 GMT
#583
*sigh* there goes my OSL team ... Fuck by.hero in the ass. Seriously.

AND friggign Flash still has highest ELO. That kid looks like such a doofus. Much hate. =(

Edit: Fuck by.hero to hell.
dongfeng
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
731 Posts
January 09 2009 22:42 GMT
#584
didnt by.hero knock oov out of quali's as well
man i hate this guy
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7220 Posts
January 09 2009 22:46 GMT
#585
by.hero raped boxer in gomtv too
by.hero > skt1
Entusman #12
Phradamon
Profile Joined January 2008
Romania191 Posts
January 09 2009 22:54 GMT
#586
yeeeeei, bisu eat his vZ luck, now its Brood revenge
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dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
January 09 2009 23:15 GMT
#587
haha yesss

i actually like bisu but he beat flash in gom so i hate him
Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1865 Posts
January 09 2009 23:23 GMT
#588
I honestly see this as the inevitability of protoss getting so fucking dominant. You simply cant have a player like iloveoov dominating zergs for so long without breeding July, GoRush, etc.
You cant have a player like sAviOr dominating protoss without breeding a Bisu, and you certainly cant have Protoss dominating every top zerg without seeing a massive widespread increase in Zerg skills.

I mean as a zerg player, watching the increase in ability in all aspects (hydra control, timing, ratio of hydra to lurker, ability to scourge shuttles, deal with harassment, etc, etc) has been shocking, and now I think we are gonna see a real scary time for Protoss coming up where they are reaping what they have sown, so to speak, starting with the phenomenal control that by.hero showed in these games.
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thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
January 09 2009 23:24 GMT
#589
By.Hero is like the new legend killer.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-09 23:44:51
January 09 2009 23:44 GMT
#590
On January 10 2009 08:24 thunk wrote:
By.Hero is like the new legend killer.
This, except so far only SKT legends.

So far he has:
    -knocked Boxer out of GOM
    -Beaten OOV in the final of their OSL offline group
    -Beat GoRush in the final of their survivor group
    -And now beat Bisu


If Kingdom ever decides to follow Oov and unretire, he better watch out for this guy.
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KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
January 09 2009 23:45 GMT
#591
I'm just going to blame this on VioleTak, his predictions always mess up the star players!!! =(
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
January 09 2009 23:53 GMT
#592
On January 10 2009 08:44 Elyvilon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2009 08:24 thunk wrote:
By.Hero is like the new legend killer.
This, except so far only SKT legends.

So far he has:
    -knocked Boxer out of GOM
    -Beaten OOV in the final of their OSL offline group
    -Beat GoRush in the final of their survivor group
    -And now beat Bisu


If Kingdom ever decides to follow Oov and unretire, he better watch out for this guy.


LOL this is so amusing. I can understand Stork: The SKT All-Kill

but...

by.hero? haha
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
MoRe_mInErAls
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Canada1210 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-10 00:21:35
January 10 2009 00:21 GMT
#593
Whatever, if (Z)by.hero sucked, (T)iloveoov would have slaughtered (P)Bisu instead. It was inevitable
KP_CollectoR
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States744 Posts
January 10 2009 00:56 GMT
#594
On January 10 2009 06:28 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 23:20 Highways wrote:
On January 09 2009 22:48 Pioneer wrote:
On January 09 2009 22:14 Letmelose wrote:
Zergs didn't crush protoss like everyone seems to think pre-Bisu era. In fact, ZvT has consistently been the most unbalanced match-up in progaming since 2005.

ZvT is actually pretty close to 50/50 if you look at the statistics for ZvT on recent maps.


Last 80 tvz's: terran 56 wins, zerg 24 wins.

This is arguably why jaedong is the best starcraft player ever.

But yea tvz is easily the most imba matchup now and historically.

When jaedong win 3 msls in a row and then wins the osl 3 times he can be considered the best starcraft player ever


OH SNAP!
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UnS)DeathTrap
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada150 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-10 01:06:12
January 10 2009 01:05 GMT
#595
by.hero is now one of the players that i hate most, along with Mind and Light
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 10 2009 01:07 GMT
#596
Why hate him .-. Rather hate Bisu for playing bad and losing...
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
January 10 2009 01:17 GMT
#597
goddamnit bisu...
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36379 Posts
January 10 2009 01:24 GMT
#598
On January 09 2009 22:48 Pioneer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 22:14 Letmelose wrote:
Zergs didn't crush protoss like everyone seems to think pre-Bisu era. In fact, ZvT has consistently been the most unbalanced match-up in progaming since 2005.

ZvT is actually pretty close to 50/50 if you look at the statistics for ZvT on recent maps.

this is just flatly not true, T>Z has been pretty prevalent over the past year or so
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isbunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden1017 Posts
January 10 2009 06:30 GMT
#599
im crying
KIM TAEK YONG HWAITING!
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-10 10:13:58
January 10 2009 10:12 GMT
#600
Interview of JulyZerg and the Kaarrrrmmaaaaa Zerg By.Hero

- You seem to have absorbed alot of JulyZerg's style
▲ JulyZerg hyung sits next to me at practice. Before I came to the stadium he told me "If I were you, I would all in against Bisu on the first match." I was going to plan an all in build if Bisu was going double nexus and thankfully he did go a double nex therefore I won the game easily. Also, whenever I practiced, I asked for JulyZerg Hyung's help many times and he told me what would be better at this situation and etc.

WHATS THIS? JULYZERG HAS GOT HIMSELF AN APPRENTICE?

And this is from a recent (Z)JulyZerg interview!

- We heard you helped by.Hero win 2:0 against Bisu
.▲ Hero sits next to me and I told him "If I were you, I would All-In game 1." Then I told him after game 1, go to a macro management game on Set 2. If you play out the games like this even though (P)Bisu will use the same build as before it will feel different (I guess he is saying Hero will earn much more confidence). Bisu is still a progamer (saying Bisu is still a human being) so this will work regardless of the situation. Even if set 3 was played, Hero would've won.

What we've learned
- Seems like Hero wants to be under the wings of SumoZerg
- Even if JulyZerg dies out, we will have someone who can carry the fat torch
- Fuck yeah JulyZerg. So badass
dats racist
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
January 10 2009 10:31 GMT
#601
WHAT HAPPENEDDDD
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 10 2009 10:38 GMT
#602
July's "I have a plan for 3-0"'s are amazing =)
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-10 10:50:14
January 10 2009 10:45 GMT
#603
On January 10 2009 19:12 MrHoon wrote:
Interview of JulyZerg and the Kaarrrrmmaaaaa Zerg By.Hero

- You seem to have absorbed alot of JulyZerg's style
▲ JulyZerg hyung sits next to me at practice. Before I came to the stadium he told me "If I were you, I would all in against Bisu on the first match." I was going to plan an all in build if Bisu was going double nexus and thankfully he did go a double nex therefore I won the game easily. Also, whenever I practiced, I asked for JulyZerg Hyung's help many times and he told me what would be better at this situation and etc.

WHATS THIS? JULYZERG HAS GOT HIMSELF AN APPRENTICE?

And this is from a recent (Z)JulyZerg interview!

- We heard you helped by.Hero win 2:0 against Bisu
.▲ Hero sits next to me and I told him "If I were you, I would All-In game 1." Then I told him after game 1, go to a macro management game on Set 2. If you play out the games like this even though (P)Bisu will use the same build as before it will feel different (I guess he is saying Hero will earn much more confidence). Bisu is still a progamer (saying Bisu is still a human being) so this will work regardless of the situation. Even if set 3 was played, Hero would've won.

What we've learned
- Seems like Hero wants to be under the wings of SumoZerg
- Even if JulyZerg dies out, we will have someone who can carry the fat torch
- Fuck yeah JulyZerg. So badass


Is this the whole interview ?

I knew the god of war was involved in this .
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 10 2009 10:50 GMT
#604
On January 10 2009 19:45 raga4ka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2009 19:12 MrHoon wrote:
Interview of JulyZerg and the Kaarrrrmmaaaaa Zerg By.Hero

- You seem to have absorbed alot of JulyZerg's style
▲ JulyZerg hyung sits next to me at practice. Before I came to the stadium he told me "If I were you, I would all in against Bisu on the first match." I was going to plan an all in build if Bisu was going double nexus and thankfully he did go a double nex therefore I won the game easily. Also, whenever I practiced, I asked for JulyZerg Hyung's help many times and he told me what would be better at this situation and etc.

WHATS THIS? JULYZERG HAS GOT HIMSELF AN APPRENTICE?

And this is from a recent (Z)JulyZerg interview!

- We heard you helped by.Hero win 2:0 against Bisu
.▲ Hero sits next to me and I told him "If I were you, I would All-In game 1." Then I told him after game 1, go to a macro management game on Set 2. If you play out the games like this even though (P)Bisu will use the same build as before it will feel different (I guess he is saying Hero will earn much more confidence). Bisu is still a progamer (saying Bisu is still a human being) so this will work regardless of the situation. Even if set 3 was played, Hero would've won.

What we've learned
- Seems like Hero wants to be under the wings of SumoZerg
- Even if JulyZerg dies out, we will have someone who can carry the fat torch
- Fuck yeah JulyZerg. So badass


Is this the whole interview ?

ofcourse not, but I got lazy lol.
dats racist
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
January 10 2009 10:52 GMT
#605
On January 10 2009 19:50 MrHoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2009 19:45 raga4ka wrote:
On January 10 2009 19:12 MrHoon wrote:
Interview of JulyZerg and the Kaarrrrmmaaaaa Zerg By.Hero

- You seem to have absorbed alot of JulyZerg's style
▲ JulyZerg hyung sits next to me at practice. Before I came to the stadium he told me "If I were you, I would all in against Bisu on the first match." I was going to plan an all in build if Bisu was going double nexus and thankfully he did go a double nex therefore I won the game easily. Also, whenever I practiced, I asked for JulyZerg Hyung's help many times and he told me what would be better at this situation and etc.

WHATS THIS? JULYZERG HAS GOT HIMSELF AN APPRENTICE?

And this is from a recent (Z)JulyZerg interview!

- We heard you helped by.Hero win 2:0 against Bisu
.▲ Hero sits next to me and I told him "If I were you, I would All-In game 1." Then I told him after game 1, go to a macro management game on Set 2. If you play out the games like this even though (P)Bisu will use the same build as before it will feel different (I guess he is saying Hero will earn much more confidence). Bisu is still a progamer (saying Bisu is still a human being) so this will work regardless of the situation. Even if set 3 was played, Hero would've won.

What we've learned
- Seems like Hero wants to be under the wings of SumoZerg
- Even if JulyZerg dies out, we will have someone who can carry the fat torch
- Fuck yeah JulyZerg. So badass


Is this the whole interview ?

ofcourse not, but I got lazy lol.


Can someone please translate it . I'm very curious of what July and by.hero has to say , because July is my favourite pro by far
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
January 10 2009 10:53 GMT
#606
On January 10 2009 19:52 raga4ka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2009 19:50 MrHoon wrote:
On January 10 2009 19:45 raga4ka wrote:
On January 10 2009 19:12 MrHoon wrote:
Interview of JulyZerg and the Kaarrrrmmaaaaa Zerg By.Hero

- You seem to have absorbed alot of JulyZerg's style
▲ JulyZerg hyung sits next to me at practice. Before I came to the stadium he told me "If I were you, I would all in against Bisu on the first match." I was going to plan an all in build if Bisu was going double nexus and thankfully he did go a double nex therefore I won the game easily. Also, whenever I practiced, I asked for JulyZerg Hyung's help many times and he told me what would be better at this situation and etc.

WHATS THIS? JULYZERG HAS GOT HIMSELF AN APPRENTICE?

And this is from a recent (Z)JulyZerg interview!

- We heard you helped by.Hero win 2:0 against Bisu
.▲ Hero sits next to me and I told him "If I were you, I would All-In game 1." Then I told him after game 1, go to a macro management game on Set 2. If you play out the games like this even though (P)Bisu will use the same build as before it will feel different (I guess he is saying Hero will earn much more confidence). Bisu is still a progamer (saying Bisu is still a human being) so this will work regardless of the situation. Even if set 3 was played, Hero would've won.

What we've learned
- Seems like Hero wants to be under the wings of SumoZerg
- Even if JulyZerg dies out, we will have someone who can carry the fat torch
- Fuck yeah JulyZerg. So badass


Is this the whole interview ?

ofcourse not, but I got lazy lol.


Can someone please translate it . I'm very curious of what July and by.hero has to say , because July is my favourite pro by far

thats all they said about each other
dats racist
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-10 11:03:44
January 10 2009 10:56 GMT
#607
On January 10 2009 19:53 MrHoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2009 19:52 raga4ka wrote:
On January 10 2009 19:50 MrHoon wrote:
On January 10 2009 19:45 raga4ka wrote:
On January 10 2009 19:12 MrHoon wrote:
Interview of JulyZerg and the Kaarrrrmmaaaaa Zerg By.Hero

- You seem to have absorbed alot of JulyZerg's style
▲ JulyZerg hyung sits next to me at practice. Before I came to the stadium he told me "If I were you, I would all in against Bisu on the first match." I was going to plan an all in build if Bisu was going double nexus and thankfully he did go a double nex therefore I won the game easily. Also, whenever I practiced, I asked for JulyZerg Hyung's help many times and he told me what would be better at this situation and etc.

WHATS THIS? JULYZERG HAS GOT HIMSELF AN APPRENTICE?

And this is from a recent (Z)JulyZerg interview!

- We heard you helped by.Hero win 2:0 against Bisu
.▲ Hero sits next to me and I told him "If I were you, I would All-In game 1." Then I told him after game 1, go to a macro management game on Set 2. If you play out the games like this even though (P)Bisu will use the same build as before it will feel different (I guess he is saying Hero will earn much more confidence). Bisu is still a progamer (saying Bisu is still a human being) so this will work regardless of the situation. Even if set 3 was played, Hero would've won.

What we've learned
- Seems like Hero wants to be under the wings of SumoZerg
- Even if JulyZerg dies out, we will have someone who can carry the fat torch
- Fuck yeah JulyZerg. So badass


Is this the whole interview ?

ofcourse not, but I got lazy lol.


Can someone please translate it . I'm very curious of what July and by.hero has to say , because July is my favourite pro by far

thats all they said about each other


Well i still am curious of what they asked July and by.hero after he killed Bisu . So i would be grateful if someone translates the whole thing .
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
January 10 2009 17:17 GMT
#608
ROFL BY.HERO
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8553 Posts
January 10 2009 17:55 GMT
#609
Lol, I just realized that when Bisu beat Hero earlier last year in PL, I said hero had a lot of potential from his performance, and people said no way. What now?
Jaedong
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
January 10 2009 21:18 GMT
#610
Great, now my OSL fantasy team is fucked.

+ Show Spoiler +
And my heart is broken D:
iloveHieu
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1919 Posts
January 10 2009 21:34 GMT
#611
SAY WHATTTT
Xellos <3
Jenia6109
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Russian Federation1612 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-14 16:19:38
January 13 2009 20:09 GMT
#612
Getting fun

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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8131 Posts
January 13 2009 20:15 GMT
#613
by.hero makes me so happy :D
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