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Tadzio
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![[image loading]](http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/7126/gomunbiaseddq7.jpg) Games are over. GG!  SoO vs  sKyHigh+ Show Spoiler [results] + SoO < sKyHigh @ Neo Requiem SoO > sKyHigh @ Medusa SoO < sKyHigh @ Sin Chupung-Ryeong BeSt[HyO] vs  EffOrt+ Show Spoiler [results] + BeSt[HyO] < EffOrt @ Neo Requiem BeSt[HyO] > EffOrt @ Medusa BeSt[HyO] > EffOrt @ Sin Chupung-Ryeong Maps: Neo Requiem • Medusa • Sin Chupung-Ryeong Watch Live | ||
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jyhlol
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effort fighting! | ||
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On December 07 2008 17:49 lilsusie wrote: btw: if anyone of you have SERIOUS post-win questions you would like me to ask in the interview, please PM me with it. Well if Skyhigh wins you could mention that TL thinks a lot of his potential. He was one of the most picked players in the fantasy pro-league. | ||
IntoTheWow
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Tadzio
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zekie
Canada380 Posts
i watched his replay against G5 from tastelessgaming.com and i was wondering how much time he spends to create builds like that one. the positioning of all the buildings were awesome. Thanks. you both rock! hopefully i'll be able to play you in iccup this season susie..since Nick is a bit out of my league...you may be too though  | ||
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johanes
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HumpingHydra
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Puosu
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On December 07 2008 18:02 HumpingHydra wrote: I am liking lil'susies hair! Agree, not that many people look good on such a "non-special" hair, but it really does fit lilsusie. | ||
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zekie
Canada380 Posts
On December 07 2008 18:02 HumpingHydra wrote: I am liking lil'susies hair! indeed..it does look nice | ||
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Tadzio
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IntoTheWow
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On December 07 2008 17:49 lilsusie wrote: btw: if anyone of you have SERIOUS post-win questions you would like me to ask in the interview, please PM me with it. If sKyHigh wins ask him about him being nervous when playing on TV. He did awesome in an offline qualifier a long time ago, but then he only played a couple of games on TV and didn't play his best live. Now he did good again on MSL offline qualifiers and won his first PL game after his comeback. To any CJ Winner How does he think CJ will do now with so many changes? (-DarkElf -Memory +sKyHigh +EffOrt +Movie probably -Much +jjonga) Did practice partners change a lot? Who wins the most in in house games? (if you are allowed to ask this) | ||
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Jaksiel
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HumpingHydra
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PoP
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o3.power91
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On December 07 2008 18:09 PoP wrote: If BeSt wins ask him what he thinks about the recent P>Z, and more generally P>all trend. Ask him the same if he loses | ||
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MoRe_mInErAls
Canada1210 Posts
Tasteless should wear his purple dress shirt sometime, for old times sake | ||
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Kentor
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Frits
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hope they take care of the protoss problem | ||
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MoRe_mInErAls
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THIS IS ONLY THE RO16 AND ALREADY THERE ARE SMOKE ENTRIES.. IM SO IMPRESSED edit: not sarcasm i'm seriously omg | ||
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Puosu
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skyhigh!! | ||
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Tadzio
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Puosu
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On December 07 2008 18:14 Tadzio00 wrote: drat... the banner isn't loading anymore. stupid imageshack. Anyplace else I can host and hotlink to? or, better yet, does any staff have TL.net space to upload it to? I always use xs.to Idk. how good it is compared to the other ones though. | ||
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LonelyMargarita
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Kentor
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Guss
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quoted for truth | ||
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Jaksiel
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Klive5ive
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I wonder what he would have done if he didn't get close positions. | ||
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Tadzio
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MuShu
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Frits
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I was hoping for a long game on this map but oh well | ||
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Puosu
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GOGO NEW TERRAN HOPE | ||
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zekie
Canada380 Posts
i watched his replay against G5 from tastelessgaming.com and i was wondering how much time he spends to create builds like that one. the positioning of all the buildings were awesome. Thanks. you both rock! hopefully i'll be able to play you in iccup this season susie..since Nick is a bit out of my league...you may be too though | ||
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zekie
Canada380 Posts
On December 07 2008 18:26 HanN00b wrote: why only 2.. hm? | ||
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Zinbiel
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On December 07 2008 18:26 HanN00b wrote: why only 2.. to make round of 16 last more than 2 days? | ||
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d_so
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Hyperionnn
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Kentor
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skyhigh: mer mer mer mer | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
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soo on bottom left, skyhigh on the right at 2:30ish. | ||
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zekie
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zekie
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GHOSTCLAW
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On December 07 2008 18:44 zekie wrote: the map is new chupung-ryeong i believe what is different about it? >.> sorry, i didn't really look at the new maps that they introduced in it. | ||
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HumpingHydra
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Jaksiel
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"SCV was on a diet." | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
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On December 07 2008 18:44 zekie wrote: that doesn't look like it would be a solid wall it's not really- zeals are just kind of fat. zeals cannot fit through, marines can, scv's cannot. first tank out for skyhigh, and he skipped siege to get the cc slightly faster. soo expands, | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=83043 | ||
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zekie
Canada380 Posts
On December 07 2008 18:44 GHOSTCLAW wrote: what is different about it? >.> sorry, i didn't really look at the new maps that they introduced in it. i'm not too sure, i think he mentioned them moving minerals around a bit to balance it..don't quote me on that though | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
On December 07 2008 18:45 blabber wrote: wall looks good to me. Area behind natural is buildable to help against mutas. I think a mineral patch was added to nat and removed from main thanks. as you can see, i decided to stop studying xD scouting of main is denied, but dt tech is done, and the first dt is out. | ||
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zekie
Canada380 Posts
On December 07 2008 18:47 GHOSTCLAW wrote: 2 base arb tech, and skyhigh scouted the fast stargate. for some reason soo built it rirght in frot of his base. second fact is now going up for skyhigh. yeah..not sure why he'd build that starport there. maybe to trick him into 2 base carrier? i have no idea  | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
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zekie
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GHOSTCLAW
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On December 07 2008 18:50 zekie wrote: whats a reverse stove? :O a reverse stove is supposed to be dt into arb into scouts, although in this build we're not going to see scouts. I'm going to call this a fast 2 base arb build, which is what it is... | ||
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zekie
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GHOSTCLAW
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skyhigh looks like he's pushing towards the high ground between the third and the natural, and he gets that third nex. soo is in trouble, hee's running out of mins in his main. maybe those scouts wouldn't be such a bad idea xD | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
skyhigh forms an even smaller choke with only supply and sturret, but soo might be able to take this down. | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
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On December 07 2008 18:55 d_so wrote: that area behind the natural looks new I think it used tot be high ground, and part of the main. Not sure though. | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
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On December 07 2008 18:59 [Fin]Vittu wrote: lol lilsusie is wearing a pandabearguy t shirt on the banner. notice that she's never worn that shirt again? >.> She probably got tired of her picture being put on 4chan. | ||
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abakben
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On December 07 2008 19:00 zekie wrote: PvP is the worst mirror to watch...really hope the P's get owned. Maybe in your dream Go watch Bisu vs Stork matches in IEF2008 final. | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
dreamsyssss | ||
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zekie
Canada380 Posts
On December 07 2008 19:01 Jaksiel wrote: Nah, TvT is the worst mirror to watch. PvPs are actually occasionally interesting. And honestly, though I love Zerg, ZvZs are also pretty poor. TvT is one of my favourite match ups to watch. i love the manuevering of drop ships and how they sometimes will push into their opponents tanks. | ||
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abakben
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Atrioc
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all mirrors are still far and away worse than ZvT, TvP, ZvP, | ||
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Kentor
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SilverSkyLark
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nevermind I figured it out. | ||
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abakben
United States308 Posts
On December 07 2008 19:04 Kentor wrote: ZvZ is only good when it goes to hive tech mang It happens once in a hundred game. | ||
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MuShu
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On December 07 2008 19:05 Infinity.SkyLark wrote: wait, whats the diff between Chupung-Ryeung and Sin Chupung-Ryeung? Someone mentioned the minerals in main changed to 9->8 and at nat, 6->7. Also, now there is a space behind that nat that used to be a part of the main. | ||
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
On December 07 2008 19:04 Atrioc wrote: PvP is the best mirror to watch but what a shitty thing to settle for all mirrors are still far and away worse than ZvT, TvP, ZvP, You're reapting things we already know. | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
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On December 07 2008 19:04 Atrioc wrote: PvP is the best mirror to watch but what a shitty thing to settle for all mirrors are still far and away worse than ZvT, TvP, ZvP, agreed, althouvh Tvp gets pretty boring. | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
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On December 07 2008 19:06 MuShu wrote: Someone mentioned the minerals in main changed to 9->8 and at nat, 6->7. Also, now there is a space behind that nat that used to be a part of the main. there was also a thread referenced earlier. | ||
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SilverSkyLark
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Terrans will also have a hard time floating their nat CC to the nat if ever they have to do so. And more proxy fun. | ||
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HiOT
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On December 07 2008 19:07 MoRe_mInErAls wrote: That girl in the movie commercial, who is she? Lhol whan hermit! | ||
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mrscheng
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On December 07 2008 19:07 MoRe_mInErAls wrote: That girl in the movie commercial, who is she? dunno, she was cute though... that guy singing "saex bomb" wasnt as hot... | ||
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
when does rainbow play again? KIM SUNG JAE FIGHTING!!!!~ | ||
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On December 07 2008 19:10 rushz0rz wrote: susie: when does rainbow play again? KIM SUNG JAE FIGHTING!!!!~ Hope he can do a old school mc t/z unit and just tech 400/400 ! | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
On December 07 2008 19:11 Lobbo wrote: Hope he can do a old school mc t/z unit and just tech 400/400 ! into the rainbow presumabably? i want to see his reaver control again. actually it's pretty funny to watch T's play against him, because they know that the reaver is coming. Actually, both boxer and intotherainbow are forced to play very similar styles from lack of practice time: they are both forced to have cheesy openings to get an advantage, and then they try to carry that advantage into a win. | ||
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Canada5300 Posts
On December 07 2008 19:12 GHOSTCLAW wrote: into the rainbow presumabably? i want to see his reaver control again. actually it's pretty funny to watch T's play against him, because they know that the reaver is coming. Actually, both boxer and intotherainbow are forced to play very similar styles from lack of practice time: they are both forced to have cheesy openings to get an advantage, and then they try to carry that advantage into a win. He's just so crazy. It seems like his macro is so bad but he makes up for with his micro repertoire. Just amazing control, some of the best Protoss control to ever be witnessed. | ||
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Frits
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pleassseeeee | ||
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mrscheng
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ugly zerg HWAITING | ||
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
should be hoejja. | ||
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rushz0rz
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On December 07 2008 19:18 Jaksiel wrote: Crazy Town and One Minute Silence? I can't remember the last time I even heard the names of those bands, let alone a song from either one. never even heard of these songs.... is it american bands? | ||
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LonelyMargarita
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On December 07 2008 19:19 Hyperionnn wrote: Effort scares me, he looks really like an alien. He's Vulcan. We've already discussed this. | ||
Plexa
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Susie there's only ever been 4 reverse sweepsNada > Gorush in IOPS Boxer > Pusan in So1 GGPlay > Iris in Daum Best > Lux in EVER08 | ||
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rushz0rz
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On December 07 2008 19:21 Jaksiel wrote: EffOrt needs to win. HoeJJa played well against Much, but I don't really want to pin Zerg hopes on him at this point. Understandable. Haven't seen much of him. He looked strong as hell, hopefully it continues that way. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On December 07 2008 19:21 Plexa wrote: waaat Susie there's only ever been 4 reverse sweepsNada > Gorush in IOPS Boxer > Pusan in So1 GGPlay > Iris in Daum Best > Lux in EVER08 do you have this knowledge off the top of your head? impressive. weird as well | ||
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Fontong
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Pylon Gate Pylon. Effort does 2nd hatch in base. | ||
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Hyperionnn
Turkey4968 Posts
On December 07 2008 19:22 d_so wrote: do you have this knowledge off the top of your head? impressive. weird as well Well i have too. | ||
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mrscheng
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sexy zerg? -_- | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
best is choosing a 1 gate tech build | ||
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zekie
Canada380 Posts
On December 07 2008 19:23 Naib wrote: Best cutting probes for 9-10 GWs on Requiem. quick tech it looks like...unless i misunderstood what you said | ||
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
On December 07 2008 19:24 Naib wrote: Oh actually he went to tech, interesting. I wonder why he cut probes for a faster gate then =o Probably was going to rush, but then saw that Effort did a safe build. His rush would have failed, so he went for tech instead. | ||
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Naib
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This was the most annoying zerg BO to deal with ever, too. | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
On December 07 2008 19:24 Naib wrote: Oh actually he went to tech, interesting. I wonder why he cut probes for a faster gate then =o he might have wanted to give himself an option of going a later 2 gate on this map. defending a 9 pool speed on close positions sucks. | ||
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abakben
United States308 Posts
On December 07 2008 19:25 rushz0rz wrote: I never watched the period of SC when Requiem was being played. Why don't they use modern strategies on it instead of these old-school builds? I love old-school builds, but I'm just curious as to why they do this. Even cHalRengE FE'd on it vs. Testie in this rep I have. Because you cannot protect your expansion via cannons due to wide open area. | ||
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Naib
Hungary4843 Posts
Let's see where this goes. | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
On December 07 2008 19:25 rushz0rz wrote: I never watched the period of SC when Requiem was being played. Why don't they use modern strategies on it instead of these old-school builds? I love old-school builds, but I'm just curious as to why they do this. Even cHalRengE FE'd on it vs. Testie in this rep I have. you can't really fe, there's no real choke from the nat to the center of the map (at least fe in terms of the bisu build). the downward ramp makes this map suck TvP (2 gate goon is really good for toss) and 9 pool speed is really good zvp (6 zerglings vs 2 zeals in close positions) | ||
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Hyperionnn
Turkey4968 Posts
On December 07 2008 19:25 rushz0rz wrote: I never watched the period of SC when Requiem was being played. Why don't they use modern strategies on it instead of these old-school builds? I love old-school builds, but I'm just curious as to why they do this. Even cHalRengE FE'd on it vs. Testie in this rep I have. You can not wall of properly vs lings, the space between nexus and natural is too long | ||
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Naib
Hungary4843 Posts
On December 07 2008 19:26 abakben wrote: Because you cannot protect your expansion via cannons due to wide open area. + Muta harass or a lurker behind the minerals rape the shit out of your economy, and you can't possibly guess / defend against all those choices. FE is just a bad choice here. Nice, Effort scouts the Cors + Reaver. | ||
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mrscheng
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zerg era | ||
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Frits
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
lizard like effortless | ||
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EFFFFFORT | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
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On December 07 2008 19:27 Naib wrote: + Muta harass or a lurker behind the minerals rape the shit out of your economy, and you can't possibly guess / defend against all those choices. FE is just a bad choice here. Nice, Effort scouts the Cors + Reaver. I actually think that there might be a possibility of a fast extra nex by glitching probes through the mineral wall, so that zerg is forced to go drop tech. you can't do it before you get the first sair though. Maybe pvt it's more viable, but it must have a huge weakness that I don't see in Pvt, because no one uses it. | ||
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Jaksiel
United States4130 Posts
On December 07 2008 19:30 NotSupporting wrote: gg, hope for effort to win this, need zergs in ro8. How many zergs are there in ro16? Just two, EffOrt and HoeJJa. I still kind of can't believe Jaedong lost to Tempest. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On December 07 2008 19:30 NotSupporting wrote: gg, hope for effort to win this, need zergs in ro8. How many zergs are there in ro16? 2 | ||
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Storchen
Sweden4385 Posts
I missed 4 matches? shit. | ||
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NotSupporting
Sweden1998 Posts
On December 07 2008 19:30 dongfeng wrote: that was fucking well defedned by effort Well, if Best would not have lost the shuttle I think the outcome of that rush would have been positive. | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
and tasteless stopped getting owned by the intros. what are we going to do now? | ||
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zekie
Canada380 Posts
On December 07 2008 19:27 mrscheng wrote: wont p build leave lots of mins ? cost alot of gas? thats what the zealots are for i believe | ||
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CDRdude
United States5625 Posts
On December 07 2008 19:30 NotSupporting wrote: gg, hope for effort to win this, need zergs in ro8. How many zergs are there in ro16? Including EffOrt, there are 2. The other zerg is Hoejja, who is facing Bisu in the ro16. So 1 zerg max in the ro8. | ||
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mrscheng
Sweden658 Posts
On December 07 2008 19:31 Storchen wrote: Sundays = Titty Sambo! I missed 4 matches? shit. japp man måste ställa klockan på söndagar nuförtiden... | ||
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Fontong
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On December 07 2008 19:31 Jaksiel wrote: Just two, EffOrt and HoeJJa. I still kind of can't believe Jaedong lost to Tempest. Plus Hoejja is going up against Bisu, I would really hate to be him. | ||
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LonelyMargarita
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Naib
Hungary4843 Posts
Oh well, I hope someone else can! | ||
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EvoChamber
France2505 Posts
On December 07 2008 19:31 NotSupporting wrote: Well, if Best would not have lost the shuttle I think the outcome of that rush would have been positive. Best couldn't have not lost that shuttle, considering he had all of 1 dragoon to shoot down the scourge. | ||
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On December 07 2008 19:32 abakben wrote: Best usually sucks against zerg. I think this result favors Bisu. He can take out Effort much more easier than Best. agreed, although bisu has been playing like a champion lately. | ||
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On December 07 2008 19:33 EvoChamber wrote: Best couldn't have not lost that shuttle, considering he had all of 1 dragoon to shoot down the scourge. Yea, I guess thats true :/ | ||
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This is clever from effort, from the outside this might look exactly like his Zergling all-in build. | ||
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but best is going to be forced to lay down a ton of cannons, even if effort dosen't really do any damage. | ||
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On December 07 2008 19:39 Naib wrote: This game's over, let's just get to the 3rd yes its gg sambo -_- | ||
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On December 07 2008 19:42 Jaksiel wrote: EffOrt trades, what was that? 6 Mutas, 12 Scourge for the shuttle? It was worth it. | ||
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yea, although he totally lost map control. | ||
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He filed them down before he came on stage. oh and lol this game is over, DT rapes Efforts main. | ||
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Hero DT. | ||
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On December 07 2008 19:45 NotSupporting wrote: How bad isn't that? One DT wins the game, no skill req from protoss to do that. T_T It didn't win the game, BeSt still could have rolled out and crushed effort. The fact that effort got smashed at the ended wouldn't have matter even with a few more hydras. | ||
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On December 07 2008 19:45 NotSupporting wrote: How bad isn't that? One DT wins the game, no skill req from protoss to do that. T_T Even with the shuttle dying, Best was way ahead... Effort was behind once his muta failed to do any damage. | ||
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United States17042 Posts
On December 07 2008 19:46 rushz0rz wrote: Does BeSt's DT outdo Bisu's best DT sneak? bisu actually control's his dt, i'm not sure best was doing that. you can just see best 1a2a3a across the map, and trust his macro. I think that's why he keeps carelessly using key units in pvz. | ||
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mrscheng
Sweden658 Posts
all i could ever hope for | ||
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Naib
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Especially that some games were ~4 years ago when P used to suck vs Z due to maps / underdeveloped strategies <3 DT's. | ||
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On December 07 2008 19:47 GHOSTCLAW wrote: bisu actually control's his dt, i'm not sure best was doing that. you can just see best 1a2a3a across the map, and trust his macro. I think that's why he keeps carelessly using key units in pvz. He did control his DT, it moved to the min-only right after it was done in the main. | ||
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On December 07 2008 19:47 Fontong wrote: It didn't win the game, BeSt still could have rolled out and crushed effort. The fact that effort got smashed at the ended wouldn't have matter even with a few more hydras. Ok, maybe that didn't win the game, like you say he could have done it anyway but it really left effort with no chanse to come back I guess. | ||
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On December 07 2008 19:45 NotSupporting wrote: How bad isn't that? One DT wins the game, no skill req from protoss to do that. T_T Oh and EffOrt has soooo much skill that he didn't notice, right? | ||
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On December 07 2008 19:47 mrscheng wrote: good 6 games today.... all i could ever hope for aslong as effort wins this game | ||
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On December 07 2008 19:48 Solinren wrote: Only $3,400 =( Today's flux. Believe me, I live in america, deal in USD, and i wish that the dollar was stronger. | ||
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zekie
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On December 07 2008 19:49 rushz0rz wrote: Oh and EffOrt has soooo much skill that he didn't notice, right? its hard to notice because you dont get the "your forces are under attack" message when your units get 1 shot | ||
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On December 07 2008 19:50 zekie wrote: its hard to notice because you dont get the "your forces are under attack" message when your units get 1 shot then he should've had an overlord. in the end, a guy like jaedong wouldn't have lost 14 drones to one lone dt | ||
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Fontong
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"I don't think theres any panda bear guys on this map. At least they cant die." | ||
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On December 07 2008 19:50 Too_MuchZerg wrote: Tip of the Day: How do you know when zerg think that map is not favored to him zvp? He goes 2 hatch muta Or 4 pool, eg Yarnc vs Jangbi on Byzantium. | ||
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On December 07 2008 19:51 MuShu wrote: then he should've had an overlord. in the end, a guy like jaedong wouldn't have lost 14 drones to one lone dt i'm sure its happened atleast once ... also with all those sairs out he couldn't have had an OL there because he used all his units to get that drop ship. and i dont think he had enough hydras to protect all 3 bases from that many sairs. | ||
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On December 07 2008 19:47 LonelyMargarita wrote: DT drops are interesting. Only newbs and progamers lose all their drones to them, since everyone else has the screen on their base every once in a while. I lolled but this is so true. | ||
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On December 07 2008 19:52 Fontong wrote: Or 4 pool, eg Yarnc vs Jangbi on Byzantium. jaedong, 1 hat lurker on this map v free. Epic. | ||
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We get to see more of that sexy micro. | ||
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*Splash* gg | ||
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4 Terran. 1 Zerg. | ||
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And BeSt winning a starleague would be cool also | ||
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On December 07 2008 19:58 Vasoline73 wrote: Ah crazy timing there from BeSt. Although another Zerg would have been nice, I do want to see Flash v Best... And BeSt winning a starleague would be cool also This tournament is not a starleague. | ||
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On December 07 2008 19:55 Fwmeh wrote: I personally think that Medusa lends itself much more to a hydra break compared to 2hatch muta, if zerg feel that he cannot win standard on it. But honestly, I can see no reason why it would be impossible for zerg to win on that map playing standard. Securing 3rd gas is hard @ medusa. If Zerg can get that and Protoss stays 2 gas 1 mineral then game is pretty even. | ||
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On December 07 2008 20:00 Hot_Bid wrote: FUCK rofl | ||
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On December 07 2008 20:00 Hot_Bid wrote: FUCK Well put. | ||
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On December 07 2008 19:58 abakben wrote: Effort is terrible. You need to find another zerg to save zergs from evil protosses You didn't know that before? Hoejja is your saviour. Look to Hoejja as your emancipator. | ||
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On December 07 2008 20:01 rushz0rz wrote: You didn't know that before? Hoejja is your saviour. Look to Hoejja as your emancipator. vs bisu? I don't like his chances....>.> | ||
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On December 07 2008 20:01 rushz0rz wrote: You didn't know that before? Hoejja is your saviour. Look to Hoejja as your emancipator. We will see him next week against Kim Taek Fucking Yong | ||
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On December 07 2008 20:01 rushz0rz wrote: You didn't know that before? Hoejja is your saviour. Look to Hoejja as your emancipator. Hoejja is no sAviOr | ||
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On December 07 2008 20:00 Hot_Bid wrote: FUCK Amen sir. Amen. This is just getting ridiculous. | ||
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On December 07 2008 20:00 Too_MuchZerg wrote: Securing 3rd gas is hard @ medusa. If Zerg can get that and Protoss stays 2 gas 1 mineral then game is pretty even. Apparently taking that 3rd is hard on like every single map in the map pool. | ||
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On December 07 2008 20:02 rushz0rz wrote: I LOVE seeing Zergs lose and then all the fans bitch and moan, and cry about Protoss being imba... MUAHAHAHAH proud to be a PROTOSS PLAYER. coulda just said "glad to play easy mode" . i''m j/k...its only really easier at lower skill levels. | ||
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On December 07 2008 20:03 Gonozal wrote: so its definatly hoejja vs Bisu and Flash vs theRock next week? definately flash vs the rock and bisu vs whoever hes playing...didn't recognize the other player | ||
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Medusa: Use Sauron Zerg Chupung reyong: 2/3 hatch hydra Neo Requiem: Open 3 hatch spire into standard play Did the zergs lose their minds? Why doesn't anyone go 2/3 hatch hydra on Chupung? | ||
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Even Savior himself could not hold against Bisu in his prime time. | ||
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Canada380 Posts
On December 07 2008 20:05 abakben wrote: Even Savior himself could not hold against Bisu in his prime time. oo..not sure about that...when savior was in his prime that is when bisu came out with his build..and it went downhill from there for savior. if savior knew the counter to that when he was in his prime maybe he would have been able to? | ||
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On December 07 2008 20:00 Hot_Bid wrote: FUCK lol | ||
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On December 07 2008 20:05 samachking wrote: Guideline for Korean Zergs: Medusa: Use Sauron Zerg Chupung reyong: 2/3 hatch hydra Neo Requiem: Open 3 hatch spire into standard play Did the zergs lose their minds? Why doesn't anyone go 2/3 hatch hydra on Chupung? come on man? im not gonna insult you because maybe its really late where you are, but do you honestly believe what you are typing? you think the builds you just threw out there now werent considered in the zillions of practice games korean zergs have pored over these maps with? they arent doing them because they dont work, whether it be in the long run or due to timing attacks. To assume that they just forgot is a blatant avoidance of the real problem with the maps. | ||
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On December 07 2008 20:02 rushz0rz wrote: I LOVE seeing Zergs lose and then all the fans bitch and moan, and cry about Protoss being imba... MUAHAHAHAH proud to be a PROTOSS PLAYER. proud? wow. People like you keep me from switching to protoss. :/ | ||
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On December 07 2008 20:37 randomKo_Orean wrote: I want to punch both of you in the mouth. sure thing tough guy | ||
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BEST is becoming really BEST player in the world. His PVZ is not MEDIOCRE anymore! He deserves it | ||
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Kyuki
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His goon reaver push in the last game had very nice timing too it though - *thumbs up* Sad to see effort out =( | ||
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On December 08 2008 01:42 SuperJongMan wrote: Effort can't handle a real P like Best. Only mock P's like Jangbi. This makes my day | ||
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On December 07 2008 23:45 Kyuki wrote: I really dont think his PvZ is anywhere near Bisu or Kals even. His goon reaver push in the last game had very nice timing too it though - *thumbs up* Sad to see effort out =( Don't forget free as well. Best is like stork in the matchups, as neither are anything special in PvZ but can tear apart everyone else. | ||
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On December 08 2008 02:01 zgl wrote: I'm glad BeSt won because of his unselfish PL play just 2 hours before this match. what happened | ||
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Stars vs. SKT1 result spoilers. + Show Spoiler + Best lost to Free and Beat Zero. It was a bit surreal. | ||
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On December 08 2008 05:40 Nitan wrote: Stars vs. SKT1 result spoilers. + Show Spoiler + Best lost to Free and Beat Zero. It was a bit surreal. mmm that's cool and i mean no offense but i'm having difficulty seeing the "unselfishness" of this act. | ||
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Tasteless - "A bit lizard like by effort" | ||
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On December 08 2008 05:44 d_so wrote: mmm that's cool and i mean no offense but i'm having difficulty seeing the "unselfishness" of this act. Stars vs. skt spoiler warning + Show Spoiler + Playing 2 games right before a game on GOMTV is very unselfish, think about it what if you had a huge football/hockey/soccer game in 2 hours and then your friends were like hey lets can you play a game with us first? It will only be as long as your major game you have in two hours. You agree then afterwards they are like oh darn how about we play 1 more for a tie breaker. and you accept again. That is unselfish | ||
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Either way, it was a good learning experience. The kids got talent, thats for sure. After working out a few kinks in his game play I can see him coming back in dominating fashion. I was particularly impressed by his play in Game 2. His use of burrow to save drones was awesome, it's really something you don't see enough of nowadays. And I was really impressed by his Hydra control, he performed some great snipes and his storm dodging in particular was amazing. Oh well. I wouldn't mind a BeSt win at any rate. The guy is clearly worlds above 90% of his competition (IMO) and I think he deserves a title. | ||
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United States308 Posts
On December 08 2008 11:14 erin[go]bragh wrote: It's too bad about EffOrt, I was really pulling for him to go far in this tourny. He played some great games, but Best seems to have improved his PvZ. Either way, it was a good learning experience. The kids got talent, thats for sure. After working out a few kinks in his game play I can see him coming back in dominating fashion. I was particularly impressed by his play in Game 2. His use of burrow to save drones was awesome, it's really something you don't see enough of nowadays. And I was really impressed by his Hydra control, he performed some great snipes and his storm dodging in particular was amazing. Oh well. I wouldn't mind a BeSt win at any rate. The guy is clearly worlds above 90% of his competition (IMO) and I think he deserves a title. How can you be impressed by his play in game 2? He carelessly lost more than 10 drones to a single dark templar. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On December 08 2008 11:19 abakben wrote: How can you be impressed by his play in game 2? He carelessly lost more than 10 drones to a single dark templar. | ||
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Korea (South)5757 Posts
On December 08 2008 02:01 zgl wrote: I'm glad BeSt won because of his unselfish PL play just 2 hours before this match. This is probably not the thread to ask this but do players have a choice in which proleague matches they participate in? I thought the coaches just made the line-ups. | ||
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Cobalt
United States441 Posts
On December 08 2008 11:33 EpiK wrote: This is probably not the thread to ask this but do players have a choice in which proleague matches they participate in? I thought the coaches just made the line-ups. I would figure that coaches build around the players' schedules, and Best was probably like "Yeah go ahead and put me in, I can play PL first then head over to Gom." | ||
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On December 08 2008 11:33 EpiK wrote: This is probably not the thread to ask this but do players have a choice in which proleague matches they participate in? I thought the coaches just made the line-ups. They probably have a say in whether or not they can play in an Ace match. Best's timings looked really impressive. His style looks a lot like how Nony plays. Those super aggressive reaver pushes are a really exciting timing. I didn't like Effort's choice of build in game 2. I felt like Best just hit the timing really, really well in game 3. | ||
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On December 08 2008 12:13 Cobalt wrote: I would figure that coaches build around the players' schedules, and Best was probably like "Yeah go ahead and put me in, I can play PL first then head over to Gom." Or maybe it was like that: Coach aproaching Best in practice house before making the lineup: "Hey Best, what are you doing?" "I'm going to pracitce for GOM for all week." "Good, just don't forget to practice for PL too." "What?? You are sending me to play in PL? Are you out of your mind??" "Who the hell you think you are talking to? I was willing to send you on first round so you have more time before GOM, but hell no, you are going for the last map!" "BUT - " "Shut up or you are going to sleep without dinner!" Then the day D came and Best was going against Free. Seriously pissed he decided to lost that game on purpose, just to anger his coach. After that, he was walking away smiling inside, but his coach stoped him shouting: "Where the hell you think you are going?!" "I have the GO -" "You have nothing! Get your ass back over there and this time better win, or you would be cleaning all our closets instead of Hyuk for a month!" And that's the story behind the great performance Best displayed against Zero in his weakest match-up... | ||
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United States815 Posts
On December 08 2008 11:19 abakben wrote: How can you be impressed by his play in game 2? He carelessly lost more than 10 drones to a single dark templar. I suppose I didn't word that correctly. I was trying to mention how I felt he had some good tricks up his sleeve and performed some clever maneuvers. He didn't roll over and die or 1a2a3a all his shit. His choice of build and the DT fiasco was obviously less than stellar. I guess I should have said "I saw some nice tricks in G2. Drones dieing to DTs r bad." | ||
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