Imo Idra stands a chance against July IF AND ONLY IF he plays his best. July is known for his not-so-good ZvT (though I admit it is better than average).
10:11 -- sitting down to play July 10:13 -- july knows some english, called me a noob 10:14 -- game 1 starting 10:14 -- hope he doesn't 5 pool me 10:16 -- goddamn it 10:18 -- second game starting 10:21 -- looks like he went 12 hatch 10:24 -- looks like standard 3 hatch muta 10:26 -- oh god my scvs, where did they go 10:28 -- maybe I would have won a game if I weren't talking to you guys
EDIT: Er, I should have said "Idra's hypothetical Twitter"
On November 27 2008 10:50 motbob wrote: LOL Idra's Twitter
10:11 -- sitting down to play July 10:13 -- july knows some english, called me a noob 10:14 -- game 1 starting 10:14 -- hope he doesn't 5 pool me 10:16 -- goddamn it 10:18 -- second game starting 10:21 -- looks like he went 12 hatch 10:24 -- looks like standard 3 hatch muta 10:26 -- oh god my scvs, where did they go 10:28 -- maybe I would have won a game if I weren't talking to you guys
EDIT: Er, I should have said "Idra's hypothetical Twitter"
OMG come on july your best match bring this bitch home i want to see you in the msl.
PS- July is liked the most jynxed player when it comes to osl, how do you get to an osl finals 5 times but the farthest youve been in the msl is the ro8
I think GoRush is just pissed about all the stuff people have said about SKT Zergs, he just blew through the prelims without a loss. Who needs Thezerg?
On November 27 2008 13:17 []p4NDemik[] wrote: I think GoRush is just pissed about all the stuff people have said about SKT Zergs, he just blew through the prelims without a loss. Who needs Thezerg?
SKT1.
Big difference between going through prelims and being a consistent, strong player online.
On November 27 2008 13:17 []p4NDemik[] wrote: I think GoRush is just pissed about all the stuff people have said about SKT Zergs, he just blew through the prelims without a loss. Who needs Thezerg?
SKT1.
Big difference between going through prelims and being a consistent, strong player online.
Obviously I'm kidding. btw, Light up 1-0 over ToSky atm.
On November 27 2008 13:28 AnOth3rDAy wrote: how do you keep up with the results? is there some way to watch it? what games will they broadcast and where is the stream? huh? huh? huh?
fomos is updating them as the games are played. Just go to fomo.kr and click on the headline that has a big MSL banner. Stream is on in 30 minutes. I dk what games will be on.
On November 27 2008 13:28 AnOth3rDAy wrote: how do you keep up with the results? is there some way to watch it? what games will they broadcast and where is the stream? huh? huh? huh?
fomos is updating them as the games are played. Just go to fomo.kr and click on the headline that has a big MSL banner. Stream is on in 30 minutes. I dk what games will be on.
ok, well thats not really fun now is it! they will broodcast the afternoon groups? 14:00 KST.. anyone know the stream link?
On November 27 2008 13:52 SonuvBob wrote: Luxury, July, Light, GoRush, and possibly Midas too? This is great, usually these prelims are so depressing. :p
This is semi-depressing for me because I'd rather see new faces.
Well, at least we still have 16 groups left
edit: Where can we watch the selected games? Is there a stream?
On November 27 2008 14:21 Kuja900 wrote: can any koreans who are on the stream tell me what they think of idra?
Idra went for a really classic build, teching early while sacrificing an early natural expansion. July used lurk/ling really effectively (hydra den before spire; he did make mutas but did almost nothing on the account of Idra's fast vessels) to block early MnM aggression, putting him in a very advantageous position mid-game. It was pretty much 1a2a3a4u GG from there.
Btw, Best just got totally raped by that no-name Woongjin protoss.
On November 27 2008 14:21 Kuja900 wrote: can any koreans who are on the stream tell me what they think of idra?
Idra went for a really classic build, teching early while sacrificing an early natural expansion. July used lurk/ling really effectively (hydra den before spire; he did make mutas but did almost nothing on the account of Idra's fast vessels) to block early MnM aggression, putting him in a very advantageous position mid-game. It was pretty much 1a2a3a4u GG from there.
Btw, Best just got totally raped by that no-name Woongjin protoss.
yeah but was wondering if anyone knows what the korean commentators were thinking of idra as a player/contender
On November 27 2008 14:21 Kuja900 wrote: can any koreans who are on the stream tell me what they think of idra?
Idra went for a really classic build, teching early while sacrificing an early natural expansion. July used lurk/ling really effectively (hydra den before spire; he did make mutas but did almost nothing on the account of Idra's fast vessels) to block early MnM aggression, putting him in a very advantageous position mid-game. It was pretty much 1a2a3a4u GG from there.
Btw, Best just got totally raped by that no-name Woongjin protoss.
On November 27 2008 16:19 thunk wrote: Pretty bad day for SKT1 players in general. Granted, Bisu has a seat already but Midas isn't going to make it past the Ro8.
On November 27 2008 16:19 thunk wrote: Pretty bad day for SKT1 players in general. Granted, Bisu has a seat already but Midas isn't going to make it past the Ro8.
On November 27 2008 16:28 motbob wrote: Who the hell is Horang2? A progamer who has never played a Kespa match has qualifies for the MSL.
Dude, I was just gonna post the same thing. I just hope he doesn't suck hard in the Survivor tournament since his spot means a lot of other cool progamers can't compete.
On November 27 2008 16:28 motbob wrote: Who the hell is Horang2? A progamer who has never played a Kespa match has qualifies for the MSL.
Dude, I was just gonna post the same thing. I just hope he doesn't suck hard in the Survivor tournament since his spot means a lot of other cool progamers can't compete.
the Survivor Tournament is going to be so full of win it's ridiculous. I'm not sure there's been a player that's advanced so far that I'm not happy with.
On November 27 2008 16:28 motbob wrote: Who the hell is Horang2? A progamer who has never played a Kespa match has qualifies for the MSL.
Dude, I was just gonna post the same thing. I just hope he doesn't suck hard in the Survivor tournament since his spot means a lot of other cool progamers can't compete.
On November 27 2008 16:28 motbob wrote: Who the hell is Horang2? A progamer who has never played a Kespa match has qualifies for the MSL.
Dude, I was just gonna post the same thing. I just hope he doesn't suck hard in the Survivor tournament since his spot means a lot of other cool progamers can't compete.
Nah, i like it so far... To have a real cool and balanced bracket in the next step of the tournament we need masses of Zerg and some Terrans to advance and basically very low Protoss... I mean nearly all the good Protossplayers are allready qualified anyway ^^.
On November 27 2008 17:02 Velr wrote: 6/12 Zerg are 6 to less .
Nah, i like it so far... To have a real cool and balanced bracket in the next step of the tournament we need masses of Zerg and some Terrans to advance and basically very low Protoss... I mean nearly all the good Protossplayers are allready qualified anyway ^^.
LOL I actually forgot about this but last MSL was the one where 17 of the 32 qualifiers were terran.
Qualified for MSL: 5P, 2T, 1Z Qualified for MST: 5P, 15T, 4Z Offline Qualifiers, Groups 1-8: 1P, 3T, 4Z Groups 9-16: 1P, 1T, 6Z Total for MST: 7P, 19T, 14Z Total Qualified: 12P, 21T, 15Z Projected MSL, figuring half of each race from MST qualifies: 8.5P, 11.5T, 8Z
On November 27 2008 17:15 []p4NDemik[] wrote: Group 16 is down to two zergs, so you might as well add another zerg from groups 9-16 to your tally traced.
Holy crap o_o The Zerg are dominating this MSL. Might be something to do with the fact that all the good protoss and terran are already qualified, but there's still many not-so-well-known Zergs making it through. That's awesome to see!
other than like best or mind and maybe like pure, pretty much all of the clear favorites are winning, so it's partially probably just because more good zerg were in the offline than terran/protoss who already qualified. all of the marginal groups seem to be coming up zerg, though
On November 27 2008 16:19 thunk wrote: Pretty bad day for SKT1 players in general. Granted, Bisu has a seat already but Midas isn't going to make it past the Ro8.
Well apart from BeSt I think they did quite fine. Midas and Gorush were definitely not favoured considering their current shape, and rookies such as punsoo/Saldaga never win more than one bo3 in these prelims anyway--let's be honest here, they must be quite bad.
Hyuk is also a pretty good surprise. I'm sure this guy has a little bit more potential than his record indicates.
Unrelated, but I'm quite impressed by skyHigh. The guy is like totally invincible in these prelims lol. He'll probably go a bit further this season.
On November 27 2008 17:46 Fontong wrote: Wtf...who is this inyeon? What kind of protoss defeats BeSt 2-0 and then loses to Yoonjoong 0-2...
Terrible person imo, should switch to pokemon.
You have to think like, Best lost to him although he lost to YoonJoong =P That makes Best bad, it's not his fault if Best can't beat him even if he loses to players like Shuttle.
traced, I saw the medusa game, although with huge lag. The last thing I saw was reaver and goons pounding at best's gateways and a robo.. I think =P But it wasnt any kind of 2gate rush.
I guess this really shows that the maps aren't exactly all anti-zerg. Destination and Coliseum2 are both considered ridiculously anti-zerg, yet they're doing well. And T1's upside down. I mean, Hyuk advancing and Best eliminated!?
On November 27 2008 14:21 Kuja900 wrote: can any koreans who are on the stream tell me what they think of idra?
Idra went for a really classic build, teching early while sacrificing an early natural expansion. July used lurk/ling really effectively (hydra den before spire; he did make mutas but did almost nothing on the account of Idra's fast vessels) to block early MnM aggression, putting him in a very advantageous position mid-game. It was pretty much 1a2a3a4u GG from there.
Btw, Best just got totally raped by that no-name Woongjin protoss.
yeah but was wondering if anyone knows what the korean commentators were thinking of idra as a player/contender
the MBC game commentators were really generous to Idra (almost too generous, even when idra was being raped in a OTL position they kept saying he was a good player)
Although, they did make a comment of how Foreign people had better sense of Macro management rather than Micro management.
edit: Hopefully we'll see alot of zerg players so we dont have zerg players making millions of threads of how bad zerg players have it etc etc
Nice for Zerg... But it does not say to much. I mean.. just search for the *big* or *good known* players in this prelims...
Just compare the names... I picked the ones I know *kinda good* (I'm sure i missed some important ones that i actually know... but well, i'm at work :p):
Zerg: Luxury, July, GGPlay, GoRush (yay), Calm, TheZerg, Effort, Nal_keke - Aside from Keke all of them are *known* for doing good recently.
Terran: Mind, Light, Midas, Sea - Yeah, that’s about it, did any of these do really good recently?
Toss: Best (ahahahaha :p), Rock, Chalrenge, InToTheRainbow, Tester, Pusan, TT, BestGod - I see... 1 S/A class player in here (Best) and the rest... Well... Theyre not even A?
Actually if you look at that... The Zergs HAD to win many groups, everything else would have been an upset...
If you look at the already set players from last MSL:
Zerg got 2 possible powerhouses and one good player (Savior, Jaedong, Yarnc).
Terran got any player that you ever heard of (Nada, Fantasy, Firebathero, Flash, fOrGG, FrOzean, Hwasin, Iris, Leta, Lomo, NaDa, Sea). This are just the guys you HAVE to know because they are able to do awesome.... Yes, some of them slump right now but well...
Toss got everything... BackHo, Bisu*, free*, JangBi*, Kal*, Much, Stork*... I mean is there even a single A/S-Class Toss not in this aside from Best?
On November 27 2008 18:24 Velr wrote: Toss got everything... BackHo, Bisu*, free*, JangBi*, Kal*, Much, Stork*... I mean is there even a single A/S-Class Toss not in this aside from Best?
On November 27 2008 18:29 Velr wrote: Yes... But there were nearly *no* big names of the others that should kill these no-name-zergs with ease.
It was Noname vs Noname or Noname vs BigZerg... Most of the time.
Of course no-name zergs aren't expected to kill big-name non-Zergs -_- The point is, in the battles between nonames and nonames, mostly Zergs came out victorious. What part don't you understand
first game on destination i did a one base build, lifted fac outside my base and made 2 vultures, he was ready for them they didnt really do anything. went fast vessel and he went 2 hatch muta, had irad by the time his mutas were there and fended them off without taking any damage, most of his mutas were hurt badly or killed by 2 irads. went to attack his 3rd base with mm/vessel, he had lurkers out. attacked and killed 2 or 3 and had to pull back with lings coming in, first tanks out and moved to push again. did ok and had a nice marine spread but he had too much shit. he got his 3rd hatch faster than my practice partners did, sacrificed muta timing for it. allowed him to have enough lurker ling to break me.
on medusa i 14 cc'd and he opened 2 hatch lurker, killed temples. i saw it coming and made 2 (or 3? i forget) bunkers behind my main + 2 in front, expecting a lurker ling allin. he just contained with 3 lurkers and went 2 hatch muta which i didnt scout. killed a decent number of scv marine and by the time i stabilized and had a vessel he had guardians out. i think it was an allin, 2 base the whole time, but i wasnt able to scout every expo so he may have hidden one.
On November 27 2008 18:40 IdrA wrote: first game on destination i did a one base build, lifted fac outside my base and made 2 vultures, he was ready for them they didnt really do anything. went fast vessel and he went 2 hatch muta, had irad by the time his mutas were there and fended them off without taking any damage, most of his mutas were hurt badly or killed by 2 irads. went to attack his 3rd base with mm/vessel, he had lurkers out. attacked and killed 2 or 3 and had to pull back with lings coming in, first tanks out and moved to push again. did ok and had a nice marine spread but he had too much shit. he got his 3rd hatch faster than my practice partners did, sacrificed muta timing for it. allowed him to have enough lurker ling to break me.
on medusa i 14 cc'd and he opened 2 hatch lurker, killed temples. i saw it coming and made 2 (or 3? i forget) bunkers behind my main + 2 in front, expecting a lurker ling allin. he just contained with 3 lurkers and went 2 hatch muta which i didnt scout. killed a decent number of scv marine and by the time i stabilized and had a vessel he had guardians out. i think it was an allin, 2 base the whole time, but i wasnt able to scout every expo so he may have hidden one.
Wow, I want to see the replay.
On a side note, is it just bad luck that you have to face July in the very first match of MSL prelims?
On November 27 2008 18:40 IdrA wrote: first game on destination i did a one base build, lifted fac outside my base and made 2 vultures, he was ready for them they didnt really do anything. went fast vessel and he went 2 hatch muta, had irad by the time his mutas were there and fended them off without taking any damage, most of his mutas were hurt badly or killed by 2 irads. went to attack his 3rd base with mm/vessel, he had lurkers out. attacked and killed 2 or 3 and had to pull back with lings coming in, first tanks out and moved to push again. did ok and had a nice marine spread but he had too much shit. he got his 3rd hatch faster than my practice partners did, sacrificed muta timing for it. allowed him to have enough lurker ling to break me.
on medusa i 14 cc'd and he opened 2 hatch lurker, killed temples. i saw it coming and made 2 (or 3? i forget) bunkers behind my main + 2 in front, expecting a lurker ling allin. he just contained with 3 lurkers and went 2 hatch muta which i didnt scout. killed a decent number of scv marine and by the time i stabilized and had a vessel he had guardians out. i think it was an allin, 2 base the whole time, but i wasnt able to scout every expo so he may have hidden one.
Wow, I want to see the replay.
On a side note, is it just bad luck that you have to face July in the very first match of MSL prelims?
only in part all the groups are seeded and i am in the most recent round of draftees, we were all matched up against the highest ranked kespa players.
On November 27 2008 20:11 simcar wrote: Best lost his MBC offline prel. cause he focused on Only OSL! Just think,how he can lose to that noob in bo3,last MSL was the same
These tournaments are so unforgiving. One bad hour and you're screwed. Even if you are a great player, it's so hard to go through such a prelim. So biased towards established players.
It's awesome how Starcraft changes every season. A couple of seasons ago leagues consisted of 12 terrans, 2 zergs and 2 protoss. Now 4 out of the top 5 in the power rank are protoss and 14 zergs advance to the Survivor tournament.
Ouch. Do Jae Wook, you are expected to slay all offline P's with ease -_-;; Ease Ps... nOoooooooo WTF mang. First time I frown at do jae wook = ( THE FROWN =( <------ omg.....
We have 20 terrans, 10 toss and 18 zerg in survivor, right? If we hope that each race get half their players through in survivor, we have 10+2 terrans, 5+5 protoss and 9+1 zerg in the "actual" msl. That is a pretty decent balance.
Wow. There's going to be a lot of TvZs in MSL survivor. Although my least favorite non-mirror matchup, it's still nice to finally get to see some non-PvP/PvTs.
Hopefully some of the zergs make it into the higher rounds and not just keep getting owned by top tosses and terrans.
Group 1 - BeSt? Lol? Good for YoonJoong. Group 3 - Sorry for Idra, but SumoZerg is still SumoZerg. Group 4 - Damn, good for sKyHigh. Iris needs some backup at CJ. Group 7 - Oh yeah bitches! Old school FTW! GoRush 6-0! Group 15 - Lol? Hyuk? Over Hiya? And most importantly, he won not 1, but 2 ZvZ's! Group 17 - Watch out for this guy Modesty. Group 18 - TheZerg is already performing as expected in any T1 zerg. Group 24 - Fuck, Pusan, why?
Are there actually people that play better when televised? You allwas here from people that choke on TV but for some reason.. i mean.. there are people that love it, aren't there?
I know from my old Lan days that i loved it to play when some people watch (well... 5-15 was the maximum i could achieve and half of them i would classify as friends).
On November 28 2008 01:00 Velr wrote: Are there actually people that play better when televised? You allwas here from people that choke on TV but for some reason.. i mean.. there are people that love it, aren't there?
I know from my old Lan days that i loved it to play when some people watch (well... 5-15 was the maximum i could achieve and half of them i would classify as friends).
Of course there are. You don't surely think there is a huge difference in skill level between S class and progamers do you? The ones who handle the pressure the best often win these proleagues. As everyone keeps saying it is more about mind games than anything else.
On November 28 2008 00:55 IdrA wrote: skyhigh would win msl, if it werent televised
Hey idra i watched your games and in the past i wasnt impressed at all with you but i saw some REALLY nice marines control(when july was about 2 pick off some marines u spread them perfectly and same with fighting the lurkers, really nice control)
On November 28 2008 01:00 Velr wrote: Are there actually people that play better when televised? You allwas here from people that choke on TV but for some reason.. i mean.. there are people that love it, aren't there?
I know from my old Lan days that i loved it to play when some people watch (well... 5-15 was the maximum i could achieve and half of them i would classify as friends).
i don't think it's people play better, it's just that some people can't play their best when there's pressure. because you get caught up in the moment, think about things you shouldn't, which takes away brain power from things you could be thinking about in game
On November 27 2008 18:40 IdrA wrote: first game on destination i did a one base build, lifted fac outside my base and made 2 vultures, he was ready for them they didnt really do anything. went fast vessel and he went 2 hatch muta, had irad by the time his mutas were there and fended them off without taking any damage, most of his mutas were hurt badly or killed by 2 irads. went to attack his 3rd base with mm/vessel, he had lurkers out. attacked and killed 2 or 3 and had to pull back with lings coming in, first tanks out and moved to push again. did ok and had a nice marine spread but he had too much shit. he got his 3rd hatch faster than my practice partners did, sacrificed muta timing for it. allowed him to have enough lurker ling to break me.
on medusa i 14 cc'd and he opened 2 hatch lurker, killed temples. i saw it coming and made 2 (or 3? i forget) bunkers behind my main + 2 in front, expecting a lurker ling allin. he just contained with 3 lurkers and went 2 hatch muta which i didnt scout. killed a decent number of scv marine and by the time i stabilized and had a vessel he had guardians out. i think it was an allin, 2 base the whole time, but i wasnt able to scout every expo so he may have hidden one.
Wow, I want to see the replay.
On a side note, is it just bad luck that you have to face July in the very first match of MSL prelims?
only in part all the groups are seeded and i am in the most recent round of draftees, we were all matched up against the highest ranked kespa players.
I just saw the replay of game 1 and you did well with the timing push, forcing July to turtle at his base for some time.
Wow, so new progamers would have to take down veterans who have probably won multiple titles in their first match? Tough system.
On November 27 2008 18:40 IdrA wrote: first game on destination i did a one base build, lifted fac outside my base and made 2 vultures, he was ready for them they didnt really do anything. went fast vessel and he went 2 hatch muta, had irad by the time his mutas were there and fended them off without taking any damage, most of his mutas were hurt badly or killed by 2 irads. went to attack his 3rd base with mm/vessel, he had lurkers out. attacked and killed 2 or 3 and had to pull back with lings coming in, first tanks out and moved to push again. did ok and had a nice marine spread but he had too much shit. he got his 3rd hatch faster than my practice partners did, sacrificed muta timing for it. allowed him to have enough lurker ling to break me.
on medusa i 14 cc'd and he opened 2 hatch lurker, killed temples. i saw it coming and made 2 (or 3? i forget) bunkers behind my main + 2 in front, expecting a lurker ling allin. he just contained with 3 lurkers and went 2 hatch muta which i didnt scout. killed a decent number of scv marine and by the time i stabilized and had a vessel he had guardians out. i think it was an allin, 2 base the whole time, but i wasnt able to scout every expo so he may have hidden one.
Wow, I want to see the replay.
On a side note, is it just bad luck that you have to face July in the very first match of MSL prelims?
only in part all the groups are seeded and i am in the most recent round of draftees, we were all matched up against the highest ranked kespa players.
I just saw the replay of game 1 and you did well with the timing push, forcing July to turtle at his base for some time.
Wow, so new progamers would have to take down veterans who have probably won multiple titles in their first match? Tough system.
That's how it goes in every seeding system. It wouldn't be fair if Bisu and Jaedong had to play in the first match.
When i saw the vod just randomly checking baezzi it caught me off guard to see idra vs. july... Idra you did very well, July's building placement is so good and just his senses and everything. but you're definitely getting better, i got faith in you.
On November 27 2008 18:40 IdrA wrote: first game on destination i did a one base build, lifted fac outside my base and made 2 vultures, he was ready for them they didnt really do anything. went fast vessel and he went 2 hatch muta, had irad by the time his mutas were there and fended them off without taking any damage, most of his mutas were hurt badly or killed by 2 irads. went to attack his 3rd base with mm/vessel, he had lurkers out. attacked and killed 2 or 3 and had to pull back with lings coming in, first tanks out and moved to push again. did ok and had a nice marine spread but he had too much shit. he got his 3rd hatch faster than my practice partners did, sacrificed muta timing for it. allowed him to have enough lurker ling to break me.
on medusa i 14 cc'd and he opened 2 hatch lurker, killed temples. i saw it coming and made 2 (or 3? i forget) bunkers behind my main + 2 in front, expecting a lurker ling allin. he just contained with 3 lurkers and went 2 hatch muta which i didnt scout. killed a decent number of scv marine and by the time i stabilized and had a vessel he had guardians out. i think it was an allin, 2 base the whole time, but i wasnt able to scout every expo so he may have hidden one.
Wow, I want to see the replay.
On a side note, is it just bad luck that you have to face July in the very first match of MSL prelims?
only in part all the groups are seeded and i am in the most recent round of draftees, we were all matched up against the highest ranked kespa players.
I just saw the replay of game 1 and you did well with the timing push, forcing July to turtle at his base for some time.
Wow, so new progamers would have to take down veterans who have probably won multiple titles in their first match? Tough system.
well every group has a seed, although some arent as good as others, so anyone has to take down one of the high ranked players (assuming they arent one themselves) to pass. its just a matter of how quick you meet them.
On November 27 2008 18:40 IdrA wrote: first game on destination i did a one base build, lifted fac outside my base and made 2 vultures, he was ready for them they didnt really do anything. went fast vessel and he went 2 hatch muta, had irad by the time his mutas were there and fended them off without taking any damage, most of his mutas were hurt badly or killed by 2 irads. went to attack his 3rd base with mm/vessel, he had lurkers out. attacked and killed 2 or 3 and had to pull back with lings coming in, first tanks out and moved to push again. did ok and had a nice marine spread but he had too much shit. he got his 3rd hatch faster than my practice partners did, sacrificed muta timing for it. allowed him to have enough lurker ling to break me.
on medusa i 14 cc'd and he opened 2 hatch lurker, killed temples. i saw it coming and made 2 (or 3? i forget) bunkers behind my main + 2 in front, expecting a lurker ling allin. he just contained with 3 lurkers and went 2 hatch muta which i didnt scout. killed a decent number of scv marine and by the time i stabilized and had a vessel he had guardians out. i think it was an allin, 2 base the whole time, but i wasnt able to scout every expo so he may have hidden one.
Wow, I want to see the replay.
On a side note, is it just bad luck that you have to face July in the very first match of MSL prelims?
only in part all the groups are seeded and i am in the most recent round of draftees, we were all matched up against the highest ranked kespa players.
I just saw the replay of game 1 and you did well with the timing push, forcing July to turtle at his base for some time.
Wow, so new progamers would have to take down veterans who have probably won multiple titles in their first match? Tough system.
well every group has a seed, although some arent as good as others, so anyone has to take down one of the high ranked players (assuming they arent one themselves) to pass. its just a matter of how quick you meet them.
Unless someone beats the seed and loses later, like who Best lost too.
When i look at the WCG games(grand finals koreans vs foreigners) i laugh at the rape but here it was actually a decent fight although i could see skilldifference which is ofcourse understandable.
nice to see that you improve over there! fighting!!
One of the main reasons why i dont watch and follow the pro scene as much as i used too The amount of newcomers appearing was overwhelming. I dont mind upsets like when bisu beat boxer when he first appeared but i really hate when no names like shinhwa win and than disappear and suck.
by who? by what? I barely recognize any of these guys' names
Personally I think the change is pretty glacial. It's pretty rare where one of them just qualifies out of nowhere... and usually they get your attention if they do. I mean, out of those who actually qualified, the only one that I don't really know is Horang, and I remember his name for something from last season's qualifiers. Players like Skyhigh and By.Baby qualified last season, and they've had enough exposure so most people know who they are now.
Upsets happen all the time, but that's just the nature of it. Also, Shinhwa isn't exactly an unknown... he played 2v2s on Lecaf a ton the past few seasons.
On November 28 2008 18:11 SilverskY wrote: Wow so many no-name upsets... I'm look at some of these results thinking WTF.
i was actually thinking the opposite, there seem to be a lot more known guys qualifying this time, at least more than usual
Yeah, really the only players that advanced that are for the most part unknown were Horang2 and Modesty. Even these guys aren't 100% unheard of - Modesty is like the second youngest progamer behind BaBy, and Horang has made appearances in amateur games that have been televised.
If people don't follow PL or the Classic closely then some other players may be less recognizable though. Like RorO, if you havent' watched PL this season then you'd have no idea who he is. If you have, then he's very recognizable by now as he's playing in just about all of WeMade's matches nowadays.
EPT
BeSt 2 vs 0 
InteR.Attain
Flower 0 vs 2 
WHERE? and how to watch it? 
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![[image loading]](http://gmftp1.afreeca.com:8084/news_esports_photo/2008/11/27/1227754362/middle_08_11.jpg)
*sigh*
