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Profile Joined October 2007
1739 Posts
October 24 2008 12:13 GMT
#1001
On October 24 2008 21:09 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2008 21:08 Essence wrote:
Stork for Power Rank #1 please


if he beats fantasy there is no other choice

((((((((((((((((((((((
cmon fantasy...
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
October 24 2008 12:14 GMT
#1002
On October 24 2008 20:51 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2008 20:45 mrhilton wrote:
@Plexa: Once again, nice writeup summary but awful predictions (hello last osl final) - we expect your apologies now!

1) Fuck you
2) Game 2 was an unexpected 4gate all-in build (who saw that coming?)
3) Game 1 predicted right
4) Game 4 predicted right

Seriously who the fuck do you think you are? I offer my opinion on the matchup with the possibility of being completely fucking wrong and you sit behind your little monitor not making a claim in the world and then pounce on me for fucking up? Sports predictors get things wrong all the time - its a fact of life - so seriously...

EDIT: It's not like im a best fanboy either.. i like best sure, but i also really like stork; so much so that my pvp is modeled off him


While I don't agree with mrhilton, it would be nice if you can comment on why your prediction was so off. Was it a simple matter of Best simply imploding? Not enough credit to Stork's ability to change things up?

Best's supposed invincible PvP didn't even put up as much of a fight as Bisu did.
Meh
amorpheus
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria2144 Posts
October 24 2008 12:17 GMT
#1003
On October 24 2008 20:21 Vasoline73 wrote:
Hopefully it will be a good finals... and not a 3-0 rape like the last two

who knows, Fantasy may end the series pretty soon :>
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
October 24 2008 12:19 GMT
#1004
I think the 4-gate all-in timed build is viable; it has already been used in JangBi vs Chalrenge in last proleague finals (was the final game, so it was an anticlimatic game) and another game before that (which was the original game).

Hmm, the fast speed reaver-suicide build I think is only viable on RotK because of the safe plateau expo but not on medusa because of its openess.

Lastly, the proxy doulbe gate build is excellent; kill as many probes as possible and force your opponent to constantly make zeals then steal the gas!
Stuck.
Paddington
Profile Joined May 2008
Australia254 Posts
October 24 2008 12:19 GMT
#1005
I think this was a good demonstration of strategy and execution versus macro and mechanics. In my (rather limited) viewing experiences, BeSt is likely the most concretely firm Protoss player in terms of general mechanics and macro play. However, he seems to be rattled unnervingly and inconveniently on big occasions (See: BeSt vs. July OSL finals). His play is superb if left unchecked, so much so that he can overcome BO and early-game deficits if allowed to reach mid-late game macro play, however, if his opposition devotes his time to unsettling BeSt, and pulls it off successfully, then they can force him into making uncharacteristic errors.

This may be a little harsh on BeSt, after all, he hasn't choked systematically by any means, especially last OSL finals up against Luxury and down 2-0, he rallied beautifully to take the series. BeSt should be prepared to be more innovative with his back to the wall, IMO. If he can mind his nerves better, then he could be anything.

And lastly, Stork. For all the shit he cops around here, he is one hell of a player. He never slips on execution, and is able to formulate plans, both simple and complex, which will allow him to overcome his opponent. Make no mistake, even though he isn't quite as good as BeSt, macro wise, his strategic play, harass and reaver control more than make up for it. The tag of perennial choker given to Stork is probably a tad unfair. All his losses in major finals have come against players in the form of their lives. Well, right now, Stork is in the form of his life. All that stands before him, and a place in the pantheon of Protoss gods, is 3-5 rounds of PvT against Boxer, trained by Oov. This is, for mine, the most intriguing OSL final in recent times, even moreso than July shooting for the Golden Mouse. Will Stork be able to hold his nerve, hold off Fantasy, and right previous wrongs? Only time will tell
"A friend of mine walks around the city counting Asian male/white female couples, which he gives +10 score, and white male/Asian female couples, which he gives -1 score. At the end of the day, the score is always negative. It makes him sad"
soccercop
Profile Joined August 2006
Fiji305 Posts
October 24 2008 12:21 GMT
#1006
whats the score? thanks
To defy your destiny makes you indestructible
ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
October 24 2008 12:24 GMT
#1007
On October 24 2008 21:21 soccercop wrote:
whats the score? thanks

Best 1:3 Stork
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14899 Posts
October 24 2008 12:34 GMT
#1008
FUCKING O#IAJTOI#AJ$TO#IA$JTOI#A$JT
-10 pts from OSL thx
dmfg
Profile Joined May 2008
United Kingdom591 Posts
October 24 2008 12:34 GMT
#1009
So wait does this mean Stork hits a new ELO peak? Awesome :D
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 24 2008 12:35 GMT
#1010
stork dictated the action. that's the problem best has to fix. lucky breaks happen for those who try, and if you fail, there is no shame.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
soccercop
Profile Joined August 2006
Fiji305 Posts
October 24 2008 12:37 GMT
#1011
On October 24 2008 21:24 lolaloc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2008 21:21 soccercop wrote:
whats the score? thanks

Best 1:3 Stork


wow,,,,,didnt think stork would win. he deserve it. congrats.
To defy your destiny makes you indestructible
iNfeRnaL *
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Germany1908 Posts
October 24 2008 12:37 GMT
#1012
k so this season is good.
Either we have a fantasy-royal-road
or we have...
Stork...
WINNING?
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8091 Posts
October 24 2008 12:38 GMT
#1013
On October 24 2008 21:14 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2008 20:51 Plexa wrote:
On October 24 2008 20:45 mrhilton wrote:
@Plexa: Once again, nice writeup summary but awful predictions (hello last osl final) - we expect your apologies now!

1) Fuck you
2) Game 2 was an unexpected 4gate all-in build (who saw that coming?)
3) Game 1 predicted right
4) Game 4 predicted right

Seriously who the fuck do you think you are? I offer my opinion on the matchup with the possibility of being completely fucking wrong and you sit behind your little monitor not making a claim in the world and then pounce on me for fucking up? Sports predictors get things wrong all the time - its a fact of life - so seriously...

EDIT: It's not like im a best fanboy either.. i like best sure, but i also really like stork; so much so that my pvp is modeled off him


While I don't agree with mrhilton, it would be nice if you can comment on why your prediction was so off. Was it a simple matter of Best simply imploding? Not enough credit to Stork's ability to change things up?

Best's supposed invincible PvP didn't even put up as much of a fight as Bisu did.

Sup troll, so 17 straight was just a fluke right?
Bl best, dw man fantasy will smash his ass in the finals
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-24 12:43:35
October 24 2008 12:42 GMT
#1014
On October 24 2008 21:38 Scaramanga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2008 21:14 baubo wrote:
On October 24 2008 20:51 Plexa wrote:
On October 24 2008 20:45 mrhilton wrote:
@Plexa: Once again, nice writeup summary but awful predictions (hello last osl final) - we expect your apologies now!

1) Fuck you
2) Game 2 was an unexpected 4gate all-in build (who saw that coming?)
3) Game 1 predicted right
4) Game 4 predicted right

Seriously who the fuck do you think you are? I offer my opinion on the matchup with the possibility of being completely fucking wrong and you sit behind your little monitor not making a claim in the world and then pounce on me for fucking up? Sports predictors get things wrong all the time - its a fact of life - so seriously...

EDIT: It's not like im a best fanboy either.. i like best sure, but i also really like stork; so much so that my pvp is modeled off him


While I don't agree with mrhilton, it would be nice if you can comment on why your prediction was so off. Was it a simple matter of Best simply imploding? Not enough credit to Stork's ability to change things up?

Best's supposed invincible PvP didn't even put up as much of a fight as Bisu did.

Sup troll, so 17 straight was just a fluke right?
Bl best, dw man fantasy will smash his ass in the finals

He asked it politely enough, no need to be such an ass about it. I'm wondering this as well.

Seems like Best gets really shaken by things like 5pool and 4 gate allin, and just fell apart.

The vods are up already, http://www.youtube.com/user/Jon747

No need to wait.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
OctoPuSs
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Canada5279 Posts
October 24 2008 12:42 GMT
#1015
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS GOGO STORK!
Thanks for the reports guys, I can't wait to see the vods.
Depression is just a sarcastic state of mind. Liquid`HerO Fighting!
Substandard
Profile Joined October 2008
Italy270 Posts
October 24 2008 12:51 GMT
#1016
Well i like both of the players but ultimatley i was rooting for Best, still i think it happened as I (and many others) predicted, Stork took it home thanks to his greater experience. Overall i think nobody can argue that stork both played better, and choose better builds this day than Best. Also Bests nerves got the better of him in some situation.
Great build by Stork in game 4
Hopefully he steps up to the place in the finals and gets his first deserved Osl win
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
October 24 2008 12:51 GMT
#1017
On October 24 2008 21:14 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2008 20:51 Plexa wrote:
On October 24 2008 20:45 mrhilton wrote:
@Plexa: Once again, nice writeup summary but awful predictions (hello last osl final) - we expect your apologies now!

1) Fuck you
2) Game 2 was an unexpected 4gate all-in build (who saw that coming?)
3) Game 1 predicted right
4) Game 4 predicted right

Seriously who the fuck do you think you are? I offer my opinion on the matchup with the possibility of being completely fucking wrong and you sit behind your little monitor not making a claim in the world and then pounce on me for fucking up? Sports predictors get things wrong all the time - its a fact of life - so seriously...

EDIT: It's not like im a best fanboy either.. i like best sure, but i also really like stork; so much so that my pvp is modeled off him


While I don't agree with mrhilton, it would be nice if you can comment on why your prediction was so off. Was it a simple matter of Best simply imploding? Not enough credit to Stork's ability to change things up?

Best's supposed invincible PvP didn't even put up as much of a fight as Bisu did.
The gap between these two gamers is so small, even the most infinitesimal advantage can lead to victory. Either one player is going to dominate or the other is going to dominate - depending on the day and the conditions. Stork caught best off guard in game 2 and took the initiative to take more blows at best's frame of mind; you just can't predict these kinds of things. Especially that best completely collapsed in on himself (like he did against july btw). That's pretty much the only reason i can give.

PvP is just that if you are the better player you will win no matter what build is played. BeSt initially was the better player but Stork won the psychological battle and won the next three straight (effectively 3-'ing best)
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
purgerinho
Profile Joined June 2008
Croatia919 Posts
October 24 2008 12:57 GMT
#1018
heh, stork just can't lose before finals, everybody should know that
SUMMARIZED (by DeMu): You CANNOT surprise a top level Protoss with a build
sushiman
Profile Joined September 2003
Sweden2691 Posts
October 24 2008 13:00 GMT
#1019
On October 24 2008 21:04 oneofthem wrote:
stork came out with plans and seized the day. it is not a catastrophic defeat for best in terms of his career, just look at stork's own track record. but it makes way for speculation about his character and so forth. but i think he's clearheaded enough to not get caught up.

Well, after being beaten by Stork in the semis in their last series, he went on to go to the finals in the following OSL. And even after getting beaten 3-0 there, he still managed to get this far this time around. BeSt seems to be the type of player that learns alot from his mistakes and continues fighting, so I think he'll do just fine in the future.
What I do think he needs is getting more confident when he's behind. While he did manage to reverse his 0-2 result against lux to 3-2, he seemed alot more nervous when he was behind in score against July and Stork. Seems like he's very confident when he's winning, and a bit less when he's losing. But since he seems to have staying power, I think he'll overcome this with a bit more experience.
1000 at least.
LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
October 24 2008 13:01 GMT
#1020
In your fucking FACES, Best fans! hahahahaha
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