stream is lagging like no tomorow :/ I used to be able to have a decent connection with Daum player, but now it buffers for 30 secs, and runs for 3 seconds.. When I try to connect to the livestream that wont run either :/
On October 10 2008 18:44 Chanted wrote: stream is lagging like no tomorow :/ I used to be able to have a decent connection with Daum player, but now it buffers for 30 secs, and runs for 3 seconds.. When I try to connect to the livestream that wont run either :/
try a different explorer?? mine works in firefox
edit: of the link below of course if you were talking about that
On October 10 2008 18:40 Oystein wrote: Anyone know if they are saying something interesting in these interviews?
I think it was Korean.
And ya, even the small DAUM stream was buffering like crazy for me. It doesn't make sense: it only uses like 20% of my bandwidth, but still buffers every 3 seconds. I switched to yaoyuan, even though that uses 100% of my bandwidth and makes everything else time out (cause it's poorly coded p2p).
On October 10 2008 18:44 Chanted wrote: stream is lagging like no tomorow :/ I used to be able to have a decent connection with Daum player, but now it buffers for 30 secs, and runs for 3 seconds.. When I try to connect to the livestream that wont run either :/
Same for me. Now YaoYuan works really well instead. This is weird but as long as I can watch...
At the time being, Daum Sports Live appears like the best way to watch - if you maximize the window you even have decent quality. The only problem are the constant "REGISTER PLEASE" popups.
Tried the online stream, but I can open the site, both in Explorer and Firefox, but it wont "play" I press play and nothing happens other then "connecting to media" then nothing again, oh well downloading the vods then I guess^^
There used to be streams on Pandora too. Even if I couldn't find them last weeks. Or you ca try Naver. I heard they have live streams but I never even tried it. Their site looks like a mess to me.
As for plasma, I got the map order wrong when I expected that -.-;. Nevertheless, I do have a weird feeling GGplay will come with something risky and unexpected for Plasma that might shock us all.
Wow...yaoyuan just caused me to lose b.net connection. I knew it was bad about hogging bandwidth, but seriously? Can't even leave enough to other apps to idle in an empty channel?
Pool after 2nd hatch, so no ultra greed from GGPlay. Flash is damaging the scouting OL with his first rine and drives it out of sight. It still spots the expansion building.
Flash rallying up his first marines for some pressures. GGPlay is chasing the scouting SCV; but in vain so far. Still alive and sees lair tech coming.
Flash really has strong economy and about 6 rines guarding his early expansion. He has 2 raxx up and getting an academy. Bunker going up at the natural.
Some bats added to Flash's army, who loads up the bunker with it. Another bunker placed near the mineral line. Fairly large number of lings for GGPlay, so maybe he will pressure right away.
Spire finishes. Flash getting first Factory. About 7 eggs morphing, towers are building.
Mutas are incoming, GGplay needs some decent damage now. 61 supply for Flash, 53 for GGplay.
Ok, harass time starting. Flash's setup looks solid. GGPlay uses the pressure to expand to bottom right.
Lots of lings burrowed in the middle of the map. Mutas are chased away by towers above the cliff. Hydra den building, so lurkers forthcoming. Starport done and scifac coming for FLash.
Flash should be ahead now, although bottom right is starting to run now. Flash getting some tanks by now and looking ready to move out. He is 80 supply to GGplay's 61. Some more muta harass going on, but Terran ball forming. First scivessel is out, does GGplay even have lurkers somewhere?
Lurker eggs morphing, 5 of them in total. Nothing against that blob of MM and about 3 tanks at the moment. Some marines are sniped by the mutas, but in total Flash does not lose much.
Irradiate on the mutas, but GGplay is quick to split. Flash is pushing!
Lurkers are burrowed on the path, will he try to hold them?
Flash sieges up half way and waits for more reinforcements, Vessel #2 and more marines. GGplay is holding quite well with supply numbers, but he should be a bit behind on upgrade numbers as he started his evo rather late.
Yet another nice split by GGplay against the irradiate. Flash is continuing down the map in slow fashion. ABout 12 lurkers burrowed in his path. Yet another irradiate and 4-5 mutas burst in blood. Flash is finally moving closer. About 20 lurkers coming hiw way? Insane mass of burrowed spines. Trying to flank the terran army now. Flash siegeing up in the middle. Battle breaking out. Lurkers everywhere, At the bottom they snipe nearly all tanks. In total Flash comes ahead. He eliminated a whole wing of the push.
Flash should be in command now, GGplay lost a lot more and his lurkers are under siege. NOW the defiler mound is coming, but he has to hold until then.
Flash now on pure SKTerran with dual starport and 8 raxx pumping. Surround attempt by GGPlay but those lurkers are taken down. Marines find another expansion near 6 and might continue to bottom right.
GGPlay cleared out the marines at the bottom. Flash still only on 2 base, maybe he should expand some more by now? Finally the ball is moving down, towards the bottom right expansions. Huge battle, not many rines go down, all lurkers irradiated. Defiler is coming in, so it's swarm time now. Mass of lings chasing the marines.
Flash is WAY ahead by supply, those few lings will not be able to hold. Two vessels are sniped. If some Bats come in, GGplay is done for, but none in sight yet. No Ultras visible too. FLash might continue to bottom right finally? No, turns way again.
Huge plague on a group of marines and a lurker takes about 10 afterwards. Finally some firebats. GGPlay sneaking a hatch to top left, lol. Flash expading there. Push towards the natural incoming now, Flash will take this for sure!
Flash finds all the secret expansion attempts and takes one out at 3 o clock. GGplay running lings across the map to do some harassment. Top left expansion finishes and some marines and bats are guarding it. Plague on some vessels, but Flash has a cloud of 7-8.
Some ultras are out by now, but they do not even have the armour upgrade. Flash is definitely going to starve GGPlay in the long run, allowing him three base but nothing more.
If GGplay somehow takes game 3 I will be a fan of his for life. I don't even care about losing the liquibet points. I just want to see a zerg win on Plasma.
On October 10 2008 19:21 disciple wrote: Flash is back with his ultra-defensive-gay-I-will-make-5bunkers-and-100-turrets-before-I-move-out style
That's absolutely not what he did, he secured himself perfectly against the harass and got aggressive immediately afterwards. His map control and timing was really good this game.
On October 10 2008 19:21 disciple wrote: Flash is back with his ultra-defensive-gay-I-will-make-5bunkers-and-100-turrets-before-I-move-out style
How obvious can GGPlay make it that he is going to backstab? He built like 30 lings before his mutas came out. I would have bunkered way more than Flash did. lol.
On October 10 2008 19:21 disciple wrote: Flash is back with his ultra-defensive-gay-I-will-make-5bunkers-and-100-turrets-before-I-move-out style
That's absolutely not what he did, he secured himself perfectly against the harass and got aggressive immediately afterwards. His map control and timing was really good this game.
I was happy to see Flash actuall have turrets in time + bunkers + tech + eco for the first time in a long time. His timming has been garbage for so long.
On October 10 2008 19:26 ThePhan2m wrote: GGplay never had a chance. Flash gave away the last game last week. GGplay is pretty much a walkover for Flash if he plays safe.
stop talking out of ur ass... when ggplay brings his a-game he is top3 zvt in the world... do u think he won an osl for nothing?
Pool and third hatch started for GGplay. At some point he should notice the missing Barracks. Now, 2 rines are done for Flash at his proxy. His scouting SCV might start a bunker soon at the first expansion.
pool finishes without aggression, but the first hatchery is under fire by 4 marines. And, worse, there is a bunker next to them. Drones are recalled to GGPlay's main base. He techs to Lair.
Hatchery is down and the lings are securing the 2nd expansion. Flash floating his raxx above the main of GGPlay and has an expansion CC done already. He is also getting a fac, so his tech is not far behind. Hydra den for GGplay.
With the help of the floating barracks, Flash took some popshots at the extractor, but cannot kill it. An SCV building a bunker is taken out, but the rines retreat to the other bunker right now. Flash with dual fac, will probably just go mass metal / Goliaths.
Vulture is out for FLash, no sign of Goliaths yet. 3rd hatch started for GGplay at his minonly expansion. Flash investing heavily into vultures at the moment. Lurkers started for GGplay now. Mines planted behind the egg wall. GGplay expanding to the right half of the map, but I THINK the scouting raxx found them. Armory for Flash and a single wraith goes to snipe overlords.
He got arrogant, he thought he was too far ahead. He got an armory, he got a wraith, he didn't get any defenses but spider mines. So GGPlay kills the egg barriers with lurkers, and just sends in wave after wave of speedlings.
Thought Flash would of been ok when his mines killed 3 lurks and a handful of lings, but when his vults all died to mine splash he only had 3 tanks to defend vs 20 lings ^ ^
MY GOD FLASH WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT FUCK JESUS CHRIST THAT WAS FUCKING TERRIBLE I CANT BELIEVE YOU GO DOWN LIKE THAT WAS A FREAKING NEWB LIKE GGPLAY HOLY SHIT IM OUT OF WORDS
I'm still surprised Flash GG'd so quickly. He could've lifted his natural and worked out of one base for a little bit. Yeah, he would've been behind, but he could've at least tried.
GGPlay was still on one gas because his own natural was denied.
this is like the dumbest shit Flash ever played. wtf is going starport and 2 facs after stopping a hatchery? and the vulture drag into fucking failure >.<
julyzerg won last osl with a shitty zvt. Can GGplay win this osl with a shitty zvp?
I can't believe how flexable GGplay is. 12hat/12hat/12pool/gas build on a wraith map? .... he has huge balls for that start. I'm not sure why flash choose to play the map in that fashion.
He went for 3 hat lurker/ling on plasma...... That was fucking pimp. I thought Flash had him out played in everyway ... and then this happend!
On October 10 2008 19:37 Guss wrote: i actually feel really bad after seeing flashs face.. ive never seen anyone get that dissapointed with their own play
I cannot believe what I just saw. Flash man. What the fuck. You know his only choice is to all in... and you expand... and have almost no defenses besides spidermines, which arent even reliable most of the time. WTF?
man seriously there was no way ggplay could have won except like that im not even a fan of ggplay but i do like to see at least all 3 races represneted in the semis
On October 10 2008 19:37 Guss wrote: i actually feel really bad after seeing flashs face.. ive never seen anyone get that dissapointed with their own play
so did i. he looked like almost gonna to cry
I take it you didn't see the Bacchus OSL finals lol
He should have just lifted the natural and continued off one base. The choke is so easy to block, he already had tanks. The only problem might be that the factorys were out of Flash's base, but fuck, I am seriously so pissed. GGPlay isnt even good/fun to watch and Flash choked hard. Now I cant even see him in this OSL. Gay.
On October 10 2008 19:43 ThePhan2m wrote: Well, Flash has no one to blame but himself. Going these risky mech builds.
I think it was pure arrogance. He assumed he was so far ahead that he just built everything without consideration of defense. The mech build has nothing to do with it.
Flash man, bl and all but going mech WTF, should have just pressed his advantage, he knew an attack was comming he even mined up, bl flash just own some kids in pl Flash for next season osl
btw that was the coolest reaction I've ever seen to spider mines zvt, he heisitated what ... 1 second then zergling bombed in 3 directions into the base. That was dope.
On October 10 2008 19:44 Vasoline73 wrote: He should have just lifted the natural and continued off one base. The choke is so easy to block, he already had tanks. The only problem might be that the factorys were out of Flash's base, but fuck, I am seriously so pissed. GGPlay isnt even good/fun to watch and Flash choked hard. Now I cant even see him in this OSL. Gay.
On October 10 2008 19:44 Vasoline73 wrote: He should have just lifted the natural and continued off one base. The choke is so easy to block, he already had tanks. The only problem might be that the factorys were out of Flash's base, but fuck, I am seriously so pissed. GGPlay isnt even good/fun to watch and Flash choked hard. Now I cant even see him in this OSL. Gay.
WOW.
Flash fanboy levels reaching critical mass.
:D I just wanted to see him vs BeSt in the finals.
If GGPlay can keep up his ZvT for the semis, he'd have a decent shot at a 2nd OSL title (chances are he'll play stork/best, who are not that good PvZ). Scary thought.
On October 10 2008 19:44 Vasoline73 wrote: He should have just lifted the natural and continued off one base. The choke is so easy to block, he already had tanks. The only problem might be that the factorys were out of Flash's base, but fuck, I am seriously so pissed. GGPlay isnt even good/fun to watch and Flash choked hard. Now I cant even see him in this OSL. Gay.
WOW.
Flash fanboy levels reaching critical mass.
yeah serously, fuck you DM ^^ but honestly im so dissapointed
As much as I like the kid, last time I saw Fantasy TvZ (last MSL vs Savior, so this is old), he was bad at it. Mind is not that good at TvZ too. And I think his style suits GGPlay. So actually GGPlay has more than a decent chance to reach the final once again.
Cheering for Fantasy anyway. And I hope he has picked up his TvZ.
On October 10 2008 19:44 ssystem wrote: What.The.Fuck
I hope whoever he plays in the semis puts him in his place
By "his place" you mean "the finals?"
If GGplay can beat fantasy/mind and midas clears the bottom bracket (unlikely) then I think GGplay has more then a 50% chance of winning LOL. Whats with these old zergs fluking it so far.... The old terran and toss users die. The zergs return lol.
Fantasy is sending out an SCV quite early to do scouting. Or worse. It actually starts a barracks in the middle of the map, without knowing Mind's location. Apparently he has no cheesy intention, only positioning. Getting a refinery too. Mind's refinery was definitely faster.
Fantasy appears intent to lift up each construction building before producing. He is getting a shop. Mind has his first Starport started in a hidden position. CC building for Fantasy.
So, Mind looking to exploit greedy style with wraiths. He gets a control tower addon right away. Maybe only servers to expand to the base inside his base. 2nd Fac started for Mind.
On October 10 2008 19:44 ssystem wrote: What.The.Fuck
I hope whoever he plays in the semis puts him in his place
By "his place" you mean "the finals?"
If GGplay can beat fantasy/mind and midas clears the bottom bracket (unlikely) then I think GGplay has more then a 50% chance of winning LOL. Whats with these old zergs fluking it so far.... The old terran and toss users die. The zergs return lol.
It's a clear pattern of zerg resurgence
July wins last OSL GGplay wins this OSL Yellow wins next OSL
Expansion CC done for Fantasy now. Mind is sending out 3 tanks / wraith (with cloak) and some SCVs towards Fantasy. Does Fantasy even have detection. He sees the wraith now! Bunker being set up near Fantasy's ramp. But still no definite pressure for Mind.
Mind appears content with containing his opponent and starts a CC at his natural. He is down one factory though. DUal armory coming for Fantasy, who still does not have means of detection. Fantasy about to lose his scouting raxx.
Maybe - just maybe - folks are right. Maybe GGplay doesn't have as much raw skill, or whatever you want to call it, as Flash. I don't agree, I think the games he played during this OSL and the last one say otherwise, but for the sake of argument I can see it.
Still don't buy him not deserving his win, though.
So many "good" players with tons of "raw skill" choke and lose when it counts, time and time again. In fact I think there's a guy famous for doing that coming up next.
GGplay? He doesn't do that. Instead he's got a dose of "elevate my game and WIN when it counts."
2nd factory started for Mind too, who is still happily containing. Scouting wraith almost gets shot down by 2 new Goliaths. FInally dies to 2 rines over the natural. So far Fantasy is a little ahead, as the early game aggression gave no real profit to Mind.
Fantasy is the first to add to 4 factories. He should be aiming for dropships soon. Still 5 tanks and a bunker in front of his natural. Neither has expanded to the little Island inside their base yet. Starport done for Fantasy.
Now Mind is upgrading something, a late cloak for his wraith?? I would hope for him to be building dropships by now. No, it's another wraith. Fantasy now with a good grop of Goliaths.
Some tank shells exchanged at Fantasy's natural, one of Mind's tanks goes down due to repair on Fantasy's. Fantasy slowly advancing, Mind failed to provide LoS fast enough, so he loses some. Fantasy also loses a few tanks.
Dropship on its way for Fantasy, but it is shot down by 3 cloaked wraiths! This were maybe 2 tanks? Mind is reinforcing his contain again and starts to shoot down the floating barracks. Fantasy with a BUNCH of minerals piled up, he nearly has 1000. Mind is placing turrets all around fantasy's main base. Fantasy expanding to his little plateau.
Turrets all around Fantasy's main base, but with 3 bases running he does not look troubled. He is adding a bunch of vultures and Goliaths, to compensate for his lack of gas. Maybe he will use those as flak for the pushbreak. Maybe 10 tanks in front of Fantasy's base, a break would be ill advised. But fantasy goes for it and instantly loses his vultures and subsequently the tanks.
I can't believe ggplay won that. So far I've expected him to bomb out in a huge fireball at every round and he keeps refusing to lose. Especially against Flash of all people.
Still there's absolutely no doubt that Mind/Fantasy will crush him, and if that doesn't happen then there's no way that he can beat Stork in the final... er..
God I can't believe GGplay might actually get a second OSL.
Mind is slightly ahead by supply now. He established a solid link of tanks near the cliff of fantasy's base. This is a real HUGE contain right there, fantasy would need BCs to break out of this.
He uses some vultures to kill 3 tanks, but does not effect much. Many facs running and vultures pumping now. Mind has his circle of siege complete by now.
Fantasy sends out four vultures and escapes. He might break into Mind's expansion with them.
He does, but some wraiths come in for the defense. There is movement in the whole contain now, as vultures are going out and harassing the tanks sieged on the ledge.
Fantasy continually tries to break the contain, but there are just too many tanks and turrets. He is basically losing LOTS of vultures here, without much profit to be gained (he has too much mins anyway.
All this is rather a distraction to prepare the break at a more vital point.
Fantasy looking enerved and idealess at the moment. Mind is pulling ahead on supply. Fantasy finalls manages to take out some tanks at the bottom and mines up two more tanks that promptly explode, Mind pushes into his natural where high ground siege received him. But Mind looks ready to push through here. Many tanks siegeing in fantasy's natural.
Mind reinforces the contain at the bottom of fantasy's base. Fantasy is mined out apart from his natural, Some vulture harass still going on, but in general he is way behind.
This is totally over and a nice abuse of Terrain by Mind in this case. Fantasy goes to push out once more from his natural, but all he does is suiciding units into a tankline.
That was painful to watch. Fantasy might have made it if he used the first dropship to help take out the contain. After losing it needlessly, there was no hope of breaking the contain.
On October 10 2008 20:16 kemoryan wrote: Are they 1-1 or Faantasy's out?
1-1
On October 10 2008 20:16 Fish_Baguettes wrote: what did Fantasy type before gg? was it O_O or the korean characters for gg ??? Daum screen too fuzzy =(
Korean characters for gg, that's all they're allowed to type.
On October 10 2008 20:16 Fish_Baguettes wrote: what did Fantasy type before gg? was it O_O or the korean characters for gg ??? Daum screen too fuzzy =(
Korean characters for gg, that's all they're allowed to type.
On October 10 2008 20:18 zgl wrote: Actually, it looks like Fantasy could have afforded to trade tanks in the first confrontation. That would have been good for him.
Yeah, instead of those sneaky vults. He could have used all to break main part of the contain free...
What a fag. I knew Mind was boring and I hate him for that. But THIS??? Lamest and most boring strat EVER. I hope Mind chokes himself to death. What an ass.
Totally tied at the moment. Fantasy sending SCVs to his natural already. Mind scouts him. First Fac going for both of them, Mind harassing a building SCV, but a marine shouldkill that SCV.
2nd factory on its way for fantasy too. slight advantage in supply for the SKT1 player, but not much. Scouting SCV by Fantasy slips through and sees 2 fac, one with addon.
On October 10 2008 20:16 kemoryan wrote: Are they 1-1 or Faantasy's out?
1-1
On October 10 2008 20:16 Fish_Baguettes wrote: what did Fantasy type before gg? was it O_O or the korean characters for gg ??? Daum screen too fuzzy =(
Korean characters for gg, that's all they're allowed to type.
NaDa typed T_T once
Pretty sure that's before rules concerning what you could type were made. Wasn't that against H.O.T-Forever?
On October 10 2008 20:16 kemoryan wrote: Are they 1-1 or Faantasy's out?
1-1
On October 10 2008 20:16 Fish_Baguettes wrote: what did Fantasy type before gg? was it O_O or the korean characters for gg ??? Daum screen too fuzzy =(
Korean characters for gg, that's all they're allowed to type.
NaDa typed T_T once
That's true, after all his BCs were tamed
But that was a long time ago I think the rules have changed since then. I think Reach was once fined for typing "-.-" or some similar face in a game.
On October 10 2008 20:23 Uraeus wrote: What a fag. I knew Mind was boring and I hate him for that. But THIS??? Lamest and most boring strat EVER. I hope Mind chokes himself to death. What an ass.
I liked his build. It was risky. He sacraficed supply for positioning.
Fantasy taking on the Protoss Temple blocking Mind's cliff. It will go down soon!. (splash doing well here) Mind sends two tanks to block that position and is getting 6 fac now. Fantasy with pure 4 fac tanks now. Reversal of g1?
Fantasy builds a DEPOT at his expansion spot. Holy shit, why? Mind charging in with vultures at the middkle, but the tanks of fantasy's hold for the moment and he wins the battle again!
Not for long though, reinforcements from Mind clear the place.
More tanks from fantasy again, a back and forth race here.
Mind has his third base up. Fantasy is taking his at top left. Siege lines forming in the middle. Fantasy is ahead by supply, but down by one expansion (unless depot at minerals counts as an expo.)
Fantasy is crossing Mind's tank line from the north, Vultures fail to do significant damage.
Single Goliath goes to scout the 9 expansion by Mind. It kills an SCV before being fusion cuttered to death. Fantasy now with a wraith. He cancelled his addon. Fantasy's 3rd coming online now.
also what happened to mass dropship play in tvt?? maybe i missed the metagame changing in the last year or smth cus i rarely watch a whole tvt, but whats up with those stalemate contains? it was obviously good last game but this game wouldnt Iris-like dropship play be much better?
Ok, now its okay. Fantasy getting yet anotehr base at the top. He has somehow pulled ahead in supply (somehow 10 supply by Mind went missing, dunno whereto?)
Mind trying to break fantasy's tankline in the middle, with limited success. Remember that the terrain is unbuildable, therefore no turrets allowed here. Some tanks going down left and right.
Dropship for Mind goes to cancel the 5th base that fantasy is setting up. Both already with a decent surplus in minerals around 1000 for each. Dropship at Mind's natural is chased away, Fight at fantasy's wannabe expansion, Some reinforcements from the middle kill off Mind's force and his expansion CC that is floating there is forced to run. 2 more ships going there.
Mind is taking the high ground above the 10 expansion, thus preventing fantasy from expanding there for the moment. Fantasy has control of the major part of the map though - but dropship play might change everything.
Minerals piling up for both, Fantasy starts building turrets. Mind sends 2 ships and a group of metal and takes out fantasy's forces at top left. Dropships incoming for Fantasy now too. Perfect siege and Mind should be in trouble.
Fantasy stops short though, he cold easily take those 5 tanks there. Slowly he sieges into range and runs over them
Dropship from Mind comes in, but too much by Fantasy.
HIghground siege of fantasy's main is doing decently. He takes out Mind at 12. Builds a turret wall through the middle, sealing up the upper part of the map. TURRETREVENGE!
I don't usually like TvT's unless Boxer is playing or something but TvT on this map is amazing. They can't just take half the map. Its like a 30 min battle for the other main and nat. Amazing game so far.
Engbay meeting at the bottom of the map. Fantasy now has 6? bases opposed to Mind's 3 and is 40 supply ahead. He rolls the tanks in the middle. This could be game ender!
On October 10 2008 20:30 damenmofa wrote: i hope fantasy wins cus i think GGPlay will have an easier time with him in semis than he would have with mind.... GGPlay for OSL!
Midas only looks slightly deterred. Gateway and Gas going for BeSt now. First marine out and starts shooting at the assim. Probe is around to snipe the geysir once more.
Midas setting up an expansion on his own now. BeSt getting a 2nd gateway at the moment. Short lull of action as the Assimilator finally dies and allows Midas to grab his gas.
On October 10 2008 19:44 Vasoline73 wrote: He should have just lifted the natural and continued off one base. The choke is so easy to block, he already had tanks. The only problem might be that the factorys were out of Flash's base, but fuck, I am seriously so pissed. GGPlay isnt even good/fun to watch and Flash choked hard. Now I cant even see him in this OSL. Gay.
Expansion for BeSt is running now, Midas has a SCV at the next expansion spot and goes for 3 base right away! That is bold. He scouts Best's main base, but only to be chased away by a GOon there. Scouting probe finds the 3rd CC, so BeSt knows now.
Robofac almost done for BeSt now, so that is how he will try to harass Midas. 3rd Nexus also going up at the minonly expansion. Midas with dual factory at the moment.
BeSt has support Bay ready and an observatory coming. Midas setting up some turrets for early shuttle defense. BeSt is sending a shuttle with 2 goons to the other side of the map. Now a Reaver and 2 Zealots are loaded up, so here will be the first steps of aggression.
On October 10 2008 19:44 Vasoline73 wrote: He should have just lifted the natural and continued off one base. The choke is so easy to block, he already had tanks. The only problem might be that the factorys were out of Flash's base, but fuck, I am seriously so pissed. GGPlay isnt even good/fun to watch and Flash choked hard. Now I cant even see him in this OSL. Gay.
WOW.
Flash isn`t fun to watch either
GGPlay is awesome wtf He used to be the zerg with such a great late game management..., it was only slightly rivaled by Savior. Go watch the finals of the OSL he won (especially the game on Hitchhiker) and tell me me isn't fun to watch, what the fuck.
Soon BeSt will have 2 goons and a shuttle with reaver at Midas base. But the turret chases away the shuttle and 7 rines slaughter the goons. Shuttle is going for the other expansion now, still 2 lots and 1 reaver inside. But a nice maze of turrets deters it for the moment. Now the tanks sinally arrive. First scarab merely kills a single SCV. Maybe 4 SCVs dead, not really a good harass there.
Midas is keeping up nicely in supply so far, he has a rather stable position. BeSt has shuttle speed done since a while btw. MIDAS IS GETTING 4 RAXX. BIOMECH??
On October 10 2008 19:44 Vasoline73 wrote: He should have just lifted the natural and continued off one base. The choke is so easy to block, he already had tanks. The only problem might be that the factorys were out of Flash's base, but fuck, I am seriously so pissed. GGPlay isnt even good/fun to watch and Flash choked hard. Now I cant even see him in this OSL. Gay.
WOW.
Flash isn`t fun to watch either
GGPlay is awesome wtf He used to be the zerg with such a great late game management..., it was only slightly rivaled by Savior. Go watch the finals of the OSL he won (especially the game on Hitchhiker) and tell me me isn't fun to watch, what the fuck.
So far this OSL is playing out perfectly.
Yeah, actually GGPlays games vs Flash were a lot of fun to watch. .-. Midas with 4 rax?!
BeSt is sending out yet another shuttle to harass. Midas is building an infantry army at the moment. I havent seen a templar of BeSt yet. Both are pushing into the right half of the map at the moment. Huge battle, Midas is mainly massacred, but his tanks survive. Now the inf will start rolling!
Midas scanned the expansion at 3 of BeSt and is sending some troups over. He pushes bunkers towards the top of the map, BeSt comes in yet again. STorm and reavers take out a bunch of infantry. Midas is blanketed and totally breaks.
BeSt does not push into Midas' mainbase yet, but in general the Terran is in bad shape. BeSt expanding yet again. Archons now also added to Best's army and he is easily ahead by 60 supply.
Midas is expanding again, on the right hand of the map. Another shuttle with reaver going for harass but chases away by a turret. Now a mass of protoss is moving down the middle.
Tons of bunkers in the middle of the map, with tanks interjected. BeSt charges anyway, his zealots just run over these positions. Many deaths also on Protoss side, but BeSt simply has more econ and more macro. In the end he pushes through.
I think Midas let Best win by purpose. This Marines-Medics-Strat was just too stubborn to believe. Especially losing with similar expansion count should be a great advantage on this map. Some mines+tanks and he could have blocked Best's ground force easily.
I fear that the winner of this match-up doesn't really matter, at least if it's bisu. I'd say it has to be Stork for the Ro4 Match-up vs. Best to be somewhat interesting. I have a feeling Bisu wouldn't stand a chance against Best. :/
Midas only 215 APM with MM tank? Wow, that's kinda slow for a progamer, isn't it? Also, Best's 235 isn't impressive either (well, I wonder what their EAPM is, mine's around 180 with 230+)
On October 10 2008 21:22 SkyTheUnknown wrote: I think Midas let Best win by purpose. This Marines-Medics-Strat was just too stubborn to believe. Especially losing with similar expansion count should be a great advantage on this map. Some mines+tanks and he could have blocked Best's ground force easily.
On October 10 2008 21:22 SkyTheUnknown wrote: I think Midas let Best win by purpose. This Marines-Medics-Strat was just too stubborn to believe. Especially losing with similar expansion count should be a great advantage on this map. Some mines+tanks and he could have blocked Best's ground force easily.
On October 10 2008 21:30 VioleTAK wrote: I don't think "Be the legend" applies for Stork, he is already the silver legend. Its Bisu's time, go home Stork, see you next season.
He's gotta beat your precious Bisu to continue the Silver Streak.
On October 10 2008 21:22 SkyTheUnknown wrote: I think Midas let Best win by purpose. This Marines-Medics-Strat was just too stubborn to believe. Especially losing with similar expansion count should be a great advantage on this map. Some mines+tanks and he could have blocked Best's ground force easily.
Great! We haven't had a retarded conspiracy thread for a while. Even though I think it was Flash-GGPlay that was rigged. Flash could never have blown a lead like this.
On October 10 2008 21:24 Naib wrote: Midas only 215 APM with MM tank? Wow, that's kinda slow for a progamer, isn't it? Also, Best's 235 isn't impressive either (well, I wonder what their EAPM is, mine's around 180 with 230+)
I looked at your country and was disappointed it didn't read Romania.
Stork scouts Bisu's base, where a core is spinning and a goon just spawned. Over at Stork's homebase, he is adding a Robo right away. Bisu also with Robo, but a little later.
Stork has a solid lineup in front of his natural with 6 goons and an observer. He will be getting a reaver now too. Bisu expanding to his natural, slightly faster than Stork is if I saw it correctly. Bisu getting a good look at Stork's base. No reaver for him yet. Almost loses his scouting observer.
Stork has dual reavers in a shuttle now and a bunch of dragoons. He is moving out for the kill! Bisu has one Reaver on the ground for defense. Two now, but no shuttle with them. This might be an all in right here! Bisu with shield battery at his natural! Stork is moving in nowNice scarabs by Bisu kill a bunch of goons. Both reavers down for Stork, he has to retreat now and the expansion is alive!
Bisu pushing up to 5 gateways now. If he plays this safe, he should be taking it easily. His observer is still scouting out Stork and watching any and every movement. I would guess Stork goes for one more condensed attack and then GGs out if it fails.
Stork is clearing the temple below Bisu's cliff. And observer spots this though, so Bisu is moving out. He has a solid lead of nearly 20 supply now.
Bisu crosses the T and Stork retreats his goons by now. He STILL hasnt set up an expansion. Bisu getting superb scouting in with his observer. Two reavers and many goons, but no shuttle yet.
On October 10 2008 21:24 Naib wrote: Midas only 215 APM with MM tank? Wow, that's kinda slow for a progamer, isn't it? Also, Best's 235 isn't impressive either (well, I wonder what their EAPM is, mine's around 180 with 230+)
I looked at your country and was disappointed it didn't read Romania.
On October 10 2008 21:40 Naib wrote: Holy shit even I would've positioned my units better there as the aggressor, totally nice read of the timing by Bisu, time for 1-1 plz!
Apart from superior micro, Bisu's prediction of Stork's tech based on his scouting, then his 100% perfect counter tech was beautiful to watch (the last addition for those who couldn't read into high level PvP play, enjoy. And learn. This is true StarCraft.)
On October 10 2008 21:44 Naib wrote: GEEE GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Apart from superior micro, Bisu's prediction of Stork's tech based on his scouting, then his 100% perfect counter tech was beautiful to watch (the last addition for those who couldn't read into high level PvP play, enjoy. And learn. This is true StarCraft.)
Well, first thing they forced IdrA to do in Korea was raise his APM to 300ish. He said it himself. I guess I can confidently diss your point with that Carnac, even though Midas is an older pro.
You also often see pros completely mispositioning their units, and while this time it wasn't that bad, it clearly wasn't the optimal way (+ Bisu really set up the best defence he could) I don't see why you guys, as obviously sub-par players, are arguing with me. Obviously I didn't say I would do better. I merely pointed out facts.
Feel free to keep arguing if you like that, though...
On October 10 2008 21:44 Naib wrote: GEEE GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Apart from superior micro, Bisu's prediction of Stork's tech based on his scouting, then his 100% perfect counter tech was beautiful to watch (the last addition for those who couldn't read into high level PvP play, enjoy. And learn. This is true StarCraft.)
On October 10 2008 21:49 Aesop wrote: So this is definitely the final game for today. Stork against Bisu, the endless rivalry. Bisu is green, Stork is yellow and the map is Chupung-Ryeong.
Slightly faster Gas for Bisu if I saw it correctly. Cycore started for him. Stork is actually on two gates! Manner pylon by Stork that receives hits of a zealot. He actually lets it finish.
Harassing zealot by stork takes out two probes. Might even get a third now? Now, it goes down. Stork obviously trying to get a fast push here, but he lost his scouting probe. Bisu has his still running happily through Stork's base. Goonrange started for Bisu and he is getting a robo.
First shuttle for Stork is already going across the map, what is this? He definitely has no reavers, Drops a zealot to scout Bisu's base and finds a robotics there. In the meantime he is looking to expand to his natural. 3rd gate up for Bisu soon, Stork just getting range and 2 gates are up. Reaver out for Bisu, though no shuttle.
Stork drops a zealot in Bisu's base lol wtf. No damage done. Bisu adds a third gate. Stork moving out with some 5g 2z and obs towards Bisu, who gets his reaver and moves out as well at his nat
2 reavers shuttled up for Bisu now, he will attack! Stork is just getting his next reaver, so he is fighting with one. Bisu attacking up the ramp, but looks to be failing. Gets the last reaver tho! Bisu with goons and 1 reaver left!
Bisu in Stork's natural now, his reaver is heavily damaged, but he takes out the nexus! Stork sending out his shuttle to do some harassment? Both on roughly equal supply at the time being. Bisu took the position below Stork's ramp now but cannot move up for the moment.
Stork recalls hit shuttle and loads up a second reaver. he looks ready to break the contain Bisu has set up outside his natural. Drops two reavers behind Bisu's line, but his shuttle is eventually sniped. Bisu rescues his reaver and retreats for the moment. Now Stork is on the offensive. Bisu with his natural done and another reaver there for defense. This fight will decide. Stork without Shuttle for the Reavers though!
Cute micro almost takes out another Reaver at Stork's natural, Stork is ready for his offensive now with 2 reavers in a shuttle and a bunch of goons.
Stork attacking up the ramp, great reaver control by Bisu, but he appears to be losing this fight. Stork pushes through and little reinforcements for Bisu at the moment.
Reaverdrio by STork into Bisu's main, takes out a few probes but has to be retreated for the moment. Stork has his natural running again at the time being, so Bisu's economical advantage is marginal.
Bisu on 5gate, Stork holds Bisu's high gruond outside his nat with 8g and 2r, Bisu has around 12g. STork tries hidden reav drop but dissauded by goons that now camp around Bisu's nat nexus. 3r and around 14g
Stork getting good scouting done with an observer, both just pumping at the moment, very close supply numbers. Stork sends a shuttle but it almost dies. Bisu gets the shuttle but not the reavers. Those are helpless now though!
Too many units there to pursue, but Bisu has three reavers to none and shuttles to protect his. He attacks, cannot get to stork's Reavers. but he fails the attack.
NOW BISU TRIES TO BREAK THROUGH OH SHIT MASSIVE BATTLE STORK IS COMING TOO FAR DOWN THE RAMP THOUGH NOT GETTING FULL HIGH GROUND ADVANTAGE BISU HAS HUGE NUMERICAL ADVANTAGE BUT STILL FORCED BACK EVEN THOUGH STORK HAD NO SHUTTLE
Both have their main almost mines out and no other expansions in sight. Bisu has a 12 kill reaver at the moment. Stork coming in with yet another shuttle to pick up his reavers. Both around 80 supply at the moment. Bisu wants to move out again as it seems. Stork has good observers in place though, sees everything.
Shuttle gets sniped! But was there anything inside? Apparently not.
Bisu attacking up the rampo again, this time it looks better, he gets off good scarabs. But in the end he fails, but rescues two reavers again. Stork now solidly ahead in supply.
Now Stork has a 10 supply advantage over Bisu. What's deciding this game is the observer that Stork has on Bisu's units always seeing what's going on, it allowed the shuttle snipe and unit positioning
Stalemate situation again, only that Bisu looks clearly behind at the moment. He should really get some observers to do proper scouting, as Stork knows EVERYTHING he is doing at any moment. Does he want to attack up the ramp YET AGAIN?
Bisu attacking with 3r 10 goons against stork uphill and this time bisu finally seems to be breaking through OH SHIT LOST 2 REAVERS now but both side lost all reavers it seems
Bisu breaks the ramp but has hardly any units left. Stork ahead by 10 supply or something? Stork looking to expand at top left, but Bisu scouts it right away. The minerals at the natural are declinine on both sides. Bisu is sending probes to bottom right at the moment, where a pylon stands for Stork to control the location. STork again on high ground, Loses a reaver right away, Bisu loses his shuttle but has a reaver left. Bisu fails again!
Last scarab takes 2 goons, but STork is still ahead by much.
Stork's supply advantage cut to about 7. Stork maynardds probes to.....nowhere? Is he long distance mining? That's pretty clever I guess, since his nat has to be on max efficiency
Bisu looks way calmer than Stork though. Stork now moving in with 7 goons against 5 goons, but when the reaver crawls down the ramp (which stork sees thanks to that hero observer) stork moves away but comes back once he has a reaver/shuttle, and then snipes bisu's reaver with his reaver cause Bisu has no shuttle, and now GG from Bisu!
On October 10 2008 22:09 StarN wrote: Storks shuttle/reaver micro in that goon/reaver battle was sick! It was at 1HP and managed to get off like 6 shots
muhahahaha, bisu and flash both throwing away a massive advantage and losing in the end, this is the best OSL day for me since savior took the trophy agains nada ^^
Stork had that hero obs, with the half health in Bisu's base giving him critical information all game long. Even in the final battle he used it's sight to snipe Bisu's last reaver.
Wow... Bisu should have won that, but after just basically throwing all his goons away by trying to beat Stork up the ramp, it makes me want to slit my wrists.
On October 10 2008 22:13 StarN wrote: Wow... Bisu should have won that, but after just basically throwing all his goons away by trying to beat Stork up the ramp, it makes me want to slit my wrists.
Yeah that was painful to watch. Stupidest play I've seen in a long time.
On October 10 2008 22:13 StarN wrote: Wow... Bisu should have won that, but after just basically throwing all his goons away by trying to beat Stork up the ramp, it makes me want to slit my wrists.
Yeah that was painful to watch. Stupidest play I've seen in a long time.
On October 10 2008 22:13 StarN wrote: Wow... Bisu should have won that, but after just basically throwing all his goons away by trying to beat Stork up the ramp, it makes me want to slit my wrists.
if bisu just retreated back to that fucking hill after taking out the nexus he could have had a 2 base to one advantage, pumped units, and then a 3 base to one advantage. it's because he's such a fucking aggressive player he always wants to pressure the opponent, and in this case it meant ~ equal loses which brought the match back to parity. then attacking up the fucking hill, thinking "if i can just break it, then i win..." GOD DAMN IT
GGPlay should beat Fantasy. Then if Stork beats Best we get Stork vs GGPlay. I wonder if Stork could beat GGPlay? His Finals choking is pretty serious if he couldn't >_>
hehe I dont feel so bad about it, stork beating bisu with zerg would be embarrassing, but watching another episode of the greatest PvP rivalry was a thrill, you cant be always on the winning side. And btw I will watch with sadistic pleasure the utter rape that stork will take in the Ro4. Bisu vs Best would break my heart in any case
Edit: I guess JD was pretty entertained by the series as well, enjoying the comfort of Lecaf's traning facility, watching the games on the TV, drinking an import beer maybe and thinking how cool it could be if he was there too
On October 10 2008 19:44 Vasoline73 wrote: Fuck, I am seriously so pissed. GGPlay isnt even good/fun to watch and Flash choked hard. Now I cant even see him in this OSL. Gay.
WOW.
WOW.
You have never seen the GGPlay vs Iris finals. You are an idiot.
the final game was one of the most tense PvP I've ever seen. great skirmishes, not even a second to catch a breath and expand, god, I would fall apart instantly in a game like that this OSL is almost perfect (if not for ggplay), Stork vs Best is gonna be huge, I don't know, Best's PvP is like the best in the world right now, but Stork's on fire and it's not the finals yet And still can't go over that Flash upset...c'mon GGPlay ? what the f is this guy even doing in the RO4? I remember watching him getting wasted by Best in group stages and I was thinking to myself "man, this guy sucks big time". If he somehow gets past Fantasy, he's gonna be brutally raped. serves him right
On October 11 2008 08:25 jwd241224 wrote: Wow, go BeSt go! It looks like this game will be fun to watch - owning the shit out of Midas with reavers and storm.
Too bad about Bisu, but the good news is now BeSt won't have to annihilate another one of his own teammates.
I'm not sure how all the Stork fanboys in here are going to get around the fact that BeSt's PvP is invincible.
Stork has beaten Best in the past and Best has beaten Stork, It's anyones game.
On October 11 2008 09:33 khersai wrote: the final game was one of the most tense PvP I've ever seen. great skirmishes, not even a second to catch a breath and expand, god, I would fall apart instantly in a game like that this OSL is almost perfect (if not for ggplay), Stork vs Best is gonna be huge, I don't know, Best's PvP is like the best in the world right now, but Stork's on fire and it's not the finals yet And still can't go over that Flash upset...c'mon GGPlay ? what the f is this guy even doing in the RO4? I remember watching him getting wasted by Best in group stages and I was thinking to myself "man, this guy sucks big time". If he somehow gets past Fantasy, he's gonna be brutally raped. serves him right
WOW.
You have never seen the GGPlay vs Iris finals. You are an idiot.
On October 11 2008 08:25 jwd241224 wrote: Wow, go BeSt go! It looks like this game will be fun to watch - owning the shit out of Midas with reavers and storm.
Too bad about Bisu, but the good news is now BeSt won't have to annihilate another one of his own teammates.
I'm not sure how all the Stork fanboys in here are going to get around the fact that BeSt's PvP is invincible.
Stork has beaten Best in the past and Best has beaten Stork, It's anyones game.
Ofcouse BeSt's PvP is way better now than it was back when he got beaten by Stork. But if brainlessly looking at statistics can give you some kind of hope then hell, why not?
On October 11 2008 09:33 khersai wrote: the final game was one of the most tense PvP I've ever seen. great skirmishes, not even a second to catch a breath and expand, god, I would fall apart instantly in a game like that this OSL is almost perfect (if not for ggplay), Stork vs Best is gonna be huge, I don't know, Best's PvP is like the best in the world right now, but Stork's on fire and it's not the finals yet And still can't go over that Flash upset...c'mon GGPlay ? what the f is this guy even doing in the RO4? I remember watching him getting wasted by Best in group stages and I was thinking to myself "man, this guy sucks big time". If he somehow gets past Fantasy, he's gonna be brutally raped. serves him right
On October 11 2008 09:01 Wolverine wrote: WOW.
You have never seen the GGPlay vs Iris finals. You are an idiot.
On October 11 2008 09:33 khersai wrote: the final game was one of the most tense PvP I've ever seen. great skirmishes, not even a second to catch a breath and expand, god, I would fall apart instantly in a game like that this OSL is almost perfect (if not for ggplay), Stork vs Best is gonna be huge, I don't know, Best's PvP is like the best in the world right now, but Stork's on fire and it's not the finals yet And still can't go over that Flash upset...c'mon GGPlay ? what the f is this guy even doing in the RO4? I remember watching him getting wasted by Best in group stages and I was thinking to myself "man, this guy sucks big time". If he somehow gets past Fantasy, he's gonna be brutally raped. serves him right
WOW.
You have never seen the GGPlay vs Iris finals. You are an idiot.
lol, maybe he was good then but who cares? His games recently are super boring rapes. He got demolished by BeSt in group stages, barely beat Light in a pathetic game on Medusa, got manhandled by Flash in the last OSL so bad it didn't even look like GGPlay was trying, played an hour long ZvP with Stork that was godawful and he lost...
I'm happy to see a TvZ semi and I hope it's interesting but I think GGPlay is gonna get rolled like he should have in the group stages... :/. If Fantasy can't do it (and he probably will) then BeSt defintely will. And if it's GGPlay v Stork then LOL, that is going to be a boring final for sure. At least it won't be 3-0 though.
On October 11 2008 11:20 GGQ wrote: GGPlay can beat Stork, if Stork beats BeSt
yeah I also think GGPlay would be the favorite against Stork, despite the maps. He would have a really hard time against Best though.
Stork's PvZ>Best's PvZ
GGPlay > Stork not because of skill but just because... GGplay is like what Firebathero is to Savior. GGplay is Stork's one of the very few opponent/nemesis who has significant winning percentage. In the group selection Stork clearly mentioned that he didn't want to play GGplay in the same group.
Edit: just used the TLPD and the stats were 5:1 favoring GGPlay. And the last one loss is from an hour ++ long game where Stork just BARELY won.
On October 10 2008 19:44 Vasoline73 wrote: Fuck, I am seriously so pissed. GGPlay isnt even good/fun to watch and Flash choked hard. Now I cant even see him in this OSL. Gay.
WOW.
WOW.
You have never seen the GGPlay vs Iris finals. You are an idiot.
Seconded. Flash lost and his TvZ isn't as good as you think it is. Deal with it. GGPlay pulls out many epic TvZ games, I'm looking forward to him playing Fantasy although I think the maps will be too much in Fantasy's favor for him to win.
Wow... I kind of wanted Midas to win. He got dominated though BeSt is so good. Stork didn't choke, and wow Flash. Lol. Oh well Fantasy won I want him to go all the way. He looks like boxer imo
On October 11 2008 11:20 GGQ wrote: GGPlay can beat Stork, if Stork beats BeSt
yeah I also think GGPlay would be the favorite against Stork, despite the maps. He would have a really hard time against Best though.
Stork's PvZ>Best's PvZ
GGPlay > Stork not because of skill but just because... GGplay is like what Firebathero is to Savior. GGplay is Stork's one of the very few opponent/nemesis who has significant winning percentage. In the group selection Stork clearly mentioned that he didn't want to play GGplay in the same group.
Edit: just used the TLPD and the stats were 5:1 favoring GGPlay. And the last one loss is from an hour ++ long game where Stork just BARELY won.
Everyone dissing bisu for fighting uphill, what the hell else could he have done? That's the only way to break out into the middle.
And you noobs should try fighting uphill battles to see how hard it is before saying he screwed up.
But i do however believe he would have won this game had he made one or two observers and succesfully sniped stork's. Not having complete vision uphill made him lose most of those battles. He didn't have vision of storks reavers, and stork had maphack basically.
On October 15 2008 21:20 LaLuSh wrote: Everyone dissing bisu for fighting uphill, what the hell else could he have done? That's the only way to break out into the middle.
And you noobs should try fighting uphill battles to see how hard it is before saying he screwed up.
But i do however believe he would have won this game had he made one or two observers and succesfully sniped stork's. Not having complete vision uphill made him lose most of those battles. He didn't have vision of storks reavers, and stork had maphack basically.
Or maybe, just maybe, he shouldn't have abandoned the high ground in the first place. As in, camping below Stork's ramp and/or falling back to exp, then running back fighting uphill. Had he maintained the high ground position after taking the exp down, I think he'd be hard pressed to screw the match up from that point. Then again, don't underestimate Bisu's capability to trip over himself.
On October 11 2008 11:20 GGQ wrote: GGPlay can beat Stork, if Stork beats BeSt
yeah I also think GGPlay would be the favorite against Stork, despite the maps. He would have a really hard time against Best though.
Stork's PvZ>Best's PvZ
GGPlay > Stork not because of skill but just because... GGplay is like what Firebathero is to Savior. GGplay is Stork's one of the very few opponent/nemesis who has significant winning percentage. In the group selection Stork clearly mentioned that he didn't want to play GGplay in the same group.
Edit: just used the TLPD and the stats were 5:1 favoring GGPlay. And the last one loss is from an hour ++ long game where Stork just BARELY won.
Not Barely won....Stork raped GGPlay...
You clearly have not seen that rep -__-
If I'm not mistaken, it's the one on Gaia from WCG 2005 I think? Epic game.
On October 11 2008 09:33 khersai wrote: the final game was one of the most tense PvP I've ever seen. great skirmishes, not even a second to catch a breath and expand, god, I would fall apart instantly in a game like that this OSL is almost perfect (if not for ggplay), Stork vs Best is gonna be huge, I don't know, Best's PvP is like the best in the world right now, but Stork's on fire and it's not the finals yet And still can't go over that Flash upset...c'mon GGPlay ? what the f is this guy even doing in the RO4? I remember watching him getting wasted by Best in group stages and I was thinking to myself "man, this guy sucks big time". If he somehow gets past Fantasy, he's gonna be brutally raped. serves him right
WOW.
You have never seen the GGPlay vs Iris finals. You are an idiot.
lol, maybe he was good then but who cares? His games recently are super boring rapes. He got demolished by BeSt in group stages, barely beat Light in a pathetic game on Medusa, got manhandled by Flash in the last OSL so bad it didn't even look like GGPlay was trying, played an hour long ZvP with Stork that was godawful and he lost...
I'm happy to see a TvZ semi and I hope it's interesting but I think GGPlay is gonna get rolled like he should have in the group stages... :/. If Fantasy can't do it (and he probably will) then BeSt defintely will. And if it's GGPlay v Stork then LOL, that is going to be a boring final for sure. At least it won't be 3-0 though.
You really should check your facts, GGPlay is 2-0 vs flash in BoX, 3-2 in Daum Semis (going on to win the whole thing) and 2-1 this season in Incruit Ro8
You clearly don't understand how Zerg players work if you think GGPlay "maybe was good" but then who cares. July is the same way, they are streaky players who get hot for one league. If they are "hot" then they are super entertaining and awesome to watch.
I think GGPlay is going to beat Fantasy and then beat Best or Stork.
On October 11 2008 09:33 khersai wrote: the final game was one of the most tense PvP I've ever seen. great skirmishes, not even a second to catch a breath and expand, god, I would fall apart instantly in a game like that this OSL is almost perfect (if not for ggplay), Stork vs Best is gonna be huge, I don't know, Best's PvP is like the best in the world right now, but Stork's on fire and it's not the finals yet And still can't go over that Flash upset...c'mon GGPlay ? what the f is this guy even doing in the RO4? I remember watching him getting wasted by Best in group stages and I was thinking to myself "man, this guy sucks big time". If he somehow gets past Fantasy, he's gonna be brutally raped. serves him right
WOW.
You have never seen the GGPlay vs Iris finals. You are an idiot.
lol, maybe he was good then but who cares? His games recently are super boring rapes. He got demolished by BeSt in group stages, barely beat Light in a pathetic game on Medusa, got manhandled by Flash in the last OSL so bad it didn't even look like GGPlay was trying, played an hour long ZvP with Stork that was godawful and he lost...
I'm happy to see a TvZ semi and I hope it's interesting but I think GGPlay is gonna get rolled like he should have in the group stages... :/. If Fantasy can't do it (and he probably will) then BeSt defintely will. And if it's GGPlay v Stork then LOL, that is going to be a boring final for sure. At least it won't be 3-0 though.
You really should check your facts, GGPlay is 2-0 vs flash in BoX, 3-2 in Daum Semis (going on to win the whole thing) and 2-1 this season in Incruit Ro8
You clearly don't understand how Zerg players work if you think GGPlay "maybe was good" but then who cares. July is the same way, they are streaky players who get hot for one league. If they are "hot" then they are super entertaining and awesome to watch.
I think GGPlay is going to beat Fantasy and then beat Best or Stork.
I don't know what facts I would have to check, I never said that Flash has a winning record vs GGPlay or that GGPlay didn't win Daum or something. If you mean what I said by "got manhandled by Flash in the last OSL" I mean EVER08 not Daum.
I just mean now the guy seems awful to me. At least July had some convincing games last season when he won.
If they are "hot" then they are super entertaining and awesome to watch
This is where we are disagreeing about GGPlay... what game from this OSL by him has been super entertaining? He got walked over by BeSt, literally walked over... GGPlay didn't do anything in that game. All he did was build lings and lose. He beat Light in IMO one of the most poorly executed 1 base builds I've seen recently by a Terran player... that game was pretty awful. He beat Rock in a game I didn't watch... but I seriously doubt it was anything more than Rock failing harder than GGPlay could fail.
The only 2 games I'd give GGPlay credit for are games 1 and 2 of the series v Flash. Game 1 he executed the perfect counter to Flash's mech build, and game, 2 besides his failed all in, was pretty entertaining from both sides. Game 3 he got lucky. And luck is obviously a part of Starcraft, but I think it would be a hard argument to say GGPlay would have won game 3 without that mine drag....
The only argument I think besides luck that makes sense for game 3 is that Flash lost the game more than GGPlay won it... which I would agree with.
GGPlay still has time to show some cool, exciting play, but I haven't seen anything from him that impresses this OSL. All I'm complaining about is that it seems like he just got a lucky game 3 and everyone is ready to put him at #5 on the powerrank, like his skills are suddenly top tier...which I don't agree with.
On October 16 2008 05:22 Vasoline73 wrote: I don't know what facts I would have to check, I never said that Flash has a winning record vs GGPlay or that GGPlay didn't win Daum or something. If you mean what I said by "got manhandled by Flash in the last OSL" I mean EVER08 not Daum.
The only 2 games I'd give GGPlay credit for are games 1 and 2 of the series v Flash. Game 1 he executed the perfect counter to Flash's mech build, and game, 2 besides his failed all in, was pretty entertaining from both sides. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH ETC. All I'm complaining about is that it seems like he just got a lucky game 3 and everyone is ready to put him at #5 on the powerrank, like his skills are suddenly top tier...which I don't agree with.
Hi. Have you seen the GGPlay vs Iris finals? If not stop posting now.
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