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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On September 27 2008 16:10 SimonB wrote: And UpMagic loses to cheese. That zerg that won must be some newb if I am to believe comments made after the bunker rushes from the previous games. We're talking about JAEDONG here, no newb. | ||
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traced
1739 Posts
On September 27 2008 16:11 village_idiot wrote: You can see that JD is not very pleased Must be pretty annoyed that he lost to Frozean. that's one of the things i love about jaedong - even at the top, he has an undying determination to never make a mistake, to never lose. | ||
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anch
United States5457 Posts
poor Upmagic, facing Jaedong for ass rape. huh? | ||
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
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DukE_ss
United States689 Posts
On September 27 2008 16:10 SimonB wrote: And UpMagic loses to cheese. That zerg that won must be some newb if I am to believe comments made after the bunker rushes from the previous games. maybe you should do your homework on who is playing before you actually make a comment. | ||
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SimonB
United States1088 Posts
you're a retard We're talking about JAEDONG here, no newb. maybe you should do your homework on who is playing before you actually make a comment. You guys don't really catch on very quickly do you? | ||
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CDRdude
United States5625 Posts
On September 27 2008 16:23 SimonB wrote: You guys don't really catch on very quickly do you? Sarcasm is hard to read on the internet, cut them some slack. I disagree with your assessment of 9 pool speedlings as 'cheese' though. | ||
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On September 27 2008 16:23 SimonB wrote: You guys don't really catch on very quickly do you? Easy for you to say | ||
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Vasoline73
United States8070 Posts
On September 27 2008 16:14 traced wrote: that's one of the things i love about jaedong - even at the top, he has an undying determination to never make a mistake, to never lose. He was probably sad to eliminate his friend in such an embarrassing game from the MSL. UpMagic and Jaedong practice together despite not being on the same team and are friends I believe | ||
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sashkata
Bulgaria3241 Posts
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Fwmeh
1286 Posts
On September 27 2008 16:29 CDRdude wrote: Sarcasm is hard to read on the internet, cut them some slack. I disagree with your assessment of 9 pool speedlings as 'cheese' though. As always, no two people seem to define cheese the same way. I like a definition around the lines "early-game attack that derives its success from the fact that it is hidden, and sacrifices the economy in such a way that the game is lost if it does insufficient damage." Going 9pool is certainly not cheese in and of itself. Going ling all-in when when realizing his opponent had an incomplete wall-in and had scouted him last might quite well be defined as cheese. I am pretty sure that if up had scouted LJD first, the game would not have ended in that particular fashion. That being said, I am of the opinion that it is in fact a pro's job to win the game, by whatever means he deems the best, fastest and surest. Sometimes that way is cheese, sometimes not. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36401 Posts
1. if it fails, the player is not just behind, but basically loses 2. if the opponent scouts it, it is very easy to stop that said, i don't think 9 pool speed is cheese in any instance On September 27 2008 16:59 Fwmeh wrote: As always, no two people seem to define cheese the same way. I like a definition around the lines "early-game attack that derives its success from the fact that it is hidden, and sacrifices the economy in such a way that the game is lost if it does insufficient damage." Going 9pool is certainly not cheese in and of itself. Going ling all-in when when realizing his opponent had an incomplete wall-in and had scouted him last might quite well be defined as cheese. I am pretty sure that if up had scouted LJD first, the game would not have ended in that particular fashion. That being said, I am of the opinion that it is in fact a pro's job to win the game, by whatever means he deems the best, fastest and surest. Sometimes that way is cheese, sometimes not. you certainly can't make the distinction between cheese and not cheese circumstantial factors in the game, like if up scouted JD first = not cheese and scouted last = cheese. your "going all-in ling when realizing opponent had incomplete wallin" logic fails because: 1. Byzantium 2 cannot be traditionally walled so JD knows this and thus 9p speed is a bit stronger than on maps that can be 2sup+rax walled 2. JD made 4 more lings (while his first six were en-route) before deciding to attack so i don't see how you can say he "decided to go allin after seeing an incomplete wall" because the extra lings were already being built 3. JD likely went 9p speed as a semi-defensive move to counter a bunker rush | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36401 Posts
Nada doesn't have to play Jaedong, Free does Free has the worst luck lol | ||
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hippo
France13 Posts
On September 27 2008 16:23 SimonB wrote: You guys don't really catch on very quickly do you? Hehe, sometimes people talk before they think... Btw I was thinking more or less the same as you (even if 9 pool speed is not a cheese imo) : when Boxer bunker rushes, people call it brilliant play, even if he does it 3 times in a row in an OSL final, when Flash did it vs Bisu last year, they called him an asshole, when he does that again the other day, while he has proved himself as a monster, some people call it brilliant while still others (bisu fans of course) curse him for that. But when a "nobody" like Frozean does it to Jaedong, he's a fucking noob... And what about the Bisu/Luxury game on Troy? Even if I was cheering for Bisu, i'd call it a clever build, especially on a map so hard for Z players. Imho, cheesing is an important aspect of the game (and it's fun to watch), and that not only the top 10 pros have the right to use. Or maybe we should introduce a "5min no rush except if you're boxer" rule? That would be awesome! ;-) PS : don't get me wrong, I love Boxer. | ||
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traced
1739 Posts
On September 27 2008 16:35 Vasoline73 wrote: He was probably sad to eliminate his friend in such an embarrassing game from the MSL. UpMagic and Jaedong practice together despite not being on the same team and are friends I believe yeah they went to the same high school. but if you remember, jaedong embarassed upmagic far worse on his road to his osl championship | ||
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traced
1739 Posts
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dmfg
United Kingdom591 Posts
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o3.power91
Bahrain5288 Posts
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dinmsab
Malaysia2246 Posts
On September 27 2008 15:24 thunk wrote: I hate Samsung Khan players. They're all tools. So how does beating the best zerg player out there, make you a tool? Retarded strats or not, JD got it pretty hard back there. Face it fanboy, JD lost.  | ||
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