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trollbone
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
France1905 Posts
July 10 2008 20:20 GMT
#401
Flash and Lomo have completely different style

Lomo is the micro type of guy with his control of wraith, and Flash said in there match "i can play with ure style and own u".

ForGG is a macro monster and doesnt have the best micro, Flash is better suited for this style of play (lomo was an OVNI in the progammer scene). So i think who has better macro sense will take this easily.
He know what ForGG is up too, his style isnt explosive as Lomo, who can do X pretty uncommon things.

I dont think Flash will loose because = end of the season, he has only the semi-final to prepare (maybe the GSL if he wins against memory), and so he wont have the proleague schedule to worry about. Also no OSL

When u say his win against luxury wasnt very good i respond to u : He was playing in 4 leagues ! (OSL,MSL,GSL,proleague (a lot) )

I think Jaedong and Flash are just above evryone, dont look at their record, now its the end of the season, no proleague, they can unleash teir power !
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
July 10 2008 21:43 GMT
#402
On July 11 2008 02:11 Warrior Madness wrote:
Wow, so a few months ago, who would've thought Jaedong's weakest matchup would be his ZvT? It's like someone gave him a kick in the stomach and he's letting the beast out once more. He's 9/10 in zvz, 8/10 in zvp but he's 5/10 in zvt. So I'm still worried about his zvt. His first game against Hwasin was a total muta blunder on his part. In his second game he didn't win that convincingly, making several errors but less erros than Hwasin. And I think the rest of the games were just mind-fuck, which JD has been doing expertly to many players recently. I just hope he wakes up to flash, and in the same token, I hope that flash goes beast mode against Jaedong.

I think it's closer to 10/10, 10/10, 8/10.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
July 10 2008 22:00 GMT
#403
On July 11 2008 06:43 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2008 02:11 Warrior Madness wrote:
Wow, so a few months ago, who would've thought Jaedong's weakest matchup would be his ZvT? It's like someone gave him a kick in the stomach and he's letting the beast out once more. He's 9/10 in zvz, 8/10 in zvp but he's 5/10 in zvt. So I'm still worried about his zvt. His first game against Hwasin was a total muta blunder on his part. In his second game he didn't win that convincingly, making several errors but less erros than Hwasin. And I think the rest of the games were just mind-fuck, which JD has been doing expertly to many players recently. I just hope he wakes up to flash, and in the same token, I hope that flash goes beast mode against Jaedong.

I think it's closer to 10/10, 10/10, 8/10.


I'm pretty sure that he was stating Jaedong's record in his last 10 games in each matchup.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
July 10 2008 22:25 GMT
#404
On July 11 2008 07:00 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2008 06:43 Jibba wrote:
On July 11 2008 02:11 Warrior Madness wrote:
Wow, so a few months ago, who would've thought Jaedong's weakest matchup would be his ZvT? It's like someone gave him a kick in the stomach and he's letting the beast out once more. He's 9/10 in zvz, 8/10 in zvp but he's 5/10 in zvt. So I'm still worried about his zvt. His first game against Hwasin was a total muta blunder on his part. In his second game he didn't win that convincingly, making several errors but less erros than Hwasin. And I think the rest of the games were just mind-fuck, which JD has been doing expertly to many players recently. I just hope he wakes up to flash, and in the same token, I hope that flash goes beast mode against Jaedong.

I think it's closer to 10/10, 10/10, 8/10.


I'm pretty sure that he was stating Jaedong's record in his last 10 games in each matchup.

Don't bring reason and your dark witch powders into this discussion.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
KaRiZmA
Profile Joined January 2007
United States23 Posts
July 10 2008 22:28 GMT
#405
Hopefully TL puts together a good review like they always do. and soon. I've been waiting all day xd.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
July 10 2008 22:54 GMT
#406
On July 11 2008 03:07 Sigrun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2008 20:06 Scaramanga wrote:
On July 10 2008 20:01 Kyuki wrote:
That mans focus! Omg..

Takes him quite a while to get out of the adrenaline focus he has before he can smile. Sick sick sick! Flash can't stop JD, he'll win this MSL no matter who he faces.

Flash has the best zvt in the world, nuff said


I believe that title belongs to Hwasin (or maybe Sheis).

Also, ForGG might have a good shot at taking out Flash, but I really want Flash to win because a Jaedong/Flash final would be amazing!


Sea has far and away the best TvZ at this moment
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
July 11 2008 02:10 GMT
#407
Imo Hwasin has it. he is something like 4-1 jaedong lately, iirc
Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.
SixSongs
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Poland1455 Posts
July 11 2008 02:12 GMT
#408
Can someone upload VODs on Youtube?
The Prince of DroneS
crazie-penguin
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States1253 Posts
July 11 2008 02:16 GMT
#409
On July 11 2008 11:12 SixSongs wrote:
Can someone upload VODs on Youtube?

be patient and wait for them to be uploaded or go to scforall.com and go to SCTV, they had the videos up a long time ago.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
July 11 2008 02:18 GMT
#410
On July 11 2008 11:10 ilbh wrote:
Imo Hwasin has it. he is something like 4-1 jaedong lately, iirc


umm... lol?
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
July 11 2008 02:24 GMT
#411
On July 11 2008 11:12 SixSongs wrote:
Can someone upload VODs on Youtube?


baezzi uploaded them onto wegame.com gogo
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
SixSongs
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Poland1455 Posts
July 11 2008 02:25 GMT
#412
On July 11 2008 11:24 alffla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2008 11:12 SixSongs wrote:
Can someone upload VODs on Youtube?


baezzi uploaded them onto wegame.com gogo



Thx!!!!
The Prince of DroneS
Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1865 Posts
July 11 2008 02:26 GMT
#413
On July 11 2008 11:10 ilbh wrote:
Imo Hwasin has it. he is something like 4-1 jaedong lately, iirc


hes 4-4 vs Jaedong in total and lost the recent bo5 they played 1-3

so...
Writerman what
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17731 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-11 04:48:11
July 11 2008 04:38 GMT
#414
On July 11 2008 03:24 (paladin)roMAD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2008 03:07 Sigrun wrote:
On July 10 2008 20:06 Scaramanga wrote:
On July 10 2008 20:01 Kyuki wrote:
That mans focus! Omg..

Takes him quite a while to get out of the adrenaline focus he has before he can smile. Sick sick sick! Flash can't stop JD, he'll win this MSL no matter who he faces.

Flash has the best zvt in the world, nuff said


I believe that title belongs to Hwasin (or maybe Sheis).

Also, ForGG might have a good shot at taking out Flash, but I really want Flash to win because a Jaedong/Flash final would be amazing!

Really doubt about Sheis, cause he hasn't played any games vs Z recently (oh he actually did and he lost to some z in the minor league). His wins vs Jaedong are very convincing, but i think he should be given more time to prove it. And i totally agree with HwaSIn over FlaSh as the superior TvZ player.

Sheis lost to shark once in the pc bang league before. I think ruby's tvz has been really good on proleague besides his game with jaedong on katrina. Flash ruby sea and fbh all are 8-2 in their past tvz.

I sort of want a forgg vs jaedong final. Teammates
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
July 11 2008 06:25 GMT
#415
On July 11 2008 13:38 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2008 03:24 (paladin)roMAD wrote:
On July 11 2008 03:07 Sigrun wrote:
On July 10 2008 20:06 Scaramanga wrote:
On July 10 2008 20:01 Kyuki wrote:
That mans focus! Omg..

Takes him quite a while to get out of the adrenaline focus he has before he can smile. Sick sick sick! Flash can't stop JD, he'll win this MSL no matter who he faces.

Flash has the best zvt in the world, nuff said


I believe that title belongs to Hwasin (or maybe Sheis).

Also, ForGG might have a good shot at taking out Flash, but I really want Flash to win because a Jaedong/Flash final would be amazing!

Really doubt about Sheis, cause he hasn't played any games vs Z recently (oh he actually did and he lost to some z in the minor league). His wins vs Jaedong are very convincing, but i think he should be given more time to prove it. And i totally agree with HwaSIn over FlaSh as the superior TvZ player.

Sheis lost to shark once in the pc bang league before. I think ruby's tvz has been really good on proleague besides his game with jaedong on katrina. Flash ruby sea and fbh all are 8-2 in their past tvz.

I sort of want a forgg vs jaedong final. Teammates

But then anti JD people will claim that forgg threw the series when JD wins. ;(
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roMAD
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Russia2355 Posts
July 11 2008 08:17 GMT
#416
On July 11 2008 13:38 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2008 03:24 (paladin)roMAD wrote:
On July 11 2008 03:07 Sigrun wrote:
On July 10 2008 20:06 Scaramanga wrote:
On July 10 2008 20:01 Kyuki wrote:
That mans focus! Omg..

Takes him quite a while to get out of the adrenaline focus he has before he can smile. Sick sick sick! Flash can't stop JD, he'll win this MSL no matter who he faces.

Flash has the best zvt in the world, nuff said


I believe that title belongs to Hwasin (or maybe Sheis).

Also, ForGG might have a good shot at taking out Flash, but I really want Flash to win because a Jaedong/Flash final would be amazing!

Really doubt about Sheis, cause he hasn't played any games vs Z recently (oh he actually did and he lost to some z in the minor league). His wins vs Jaedong are very convincing, but i think he should be given more time to prove it. And i totally agree with HwaSIn over FlaSh as the superior TvZ player.

Sheis lost to shark once in the pc bang league before. I think ruby's tvz has been really good on proleague besides his game with jaedong on katrina. Flash ruby sea and fbh all are 8-2 in their past tvz.

I sort of want a forgg vs jaedong final. Teammates

I always like watching teammates playing in a bo3 or bo5, it's like a game who surprises who, since they all know each other's style so well. But in this case Jaedong vs FlaSh would be much more interesting imo
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
July 11 2008 23:55 GMT
#417
That was brutal. Jaedong was playing a whole level above Much, who never had a chance to get into any of the games.

I think the hatchery at Much's third was a good call. Jaedong certainly intended to keep Much contained, and establishing a sunken/spore/lurker line on Much's doorstep would have sealed the deal. To all the people who think its bm: T_T. This is pro-Starcraft and all is fair in war. Sad thing is the people saying JD was showing off probably loved seeing Much's pylon heart.

As for Flash v Forgg, I think the Lecaf macro monster has a pretty good chance of upsetting Flash. It should be an interesting series at least.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
kjk
Profile Joined October 2007
Malaysia100 Posts
July 12 2008 01:40 GMT
#418
there are so many anti jd fans here, probably they are zerg haters or flash's fans... those who hate MJY probably are in the list of anti JD. why they hate zerg players so much ?
0xDEADBEEF
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany1235 Posts
July 12 2008 01:56 GMT
#419
On July 12 2008 10:40 kjk wrote:
there are so many anti jd fans here, probably they are zerg haters or flash's fans... those who hate MJY probably are in the list of anti JD. why they hate zerg players so much ?


I've noticed that too. No idea. There's so much more good reason to hate Protoss instead. :p
ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
July 12 2008 01:57 GMT
#420
despite their bo5, it was 4-1 hwasin lately
he has the best TvZ at the moment imo
Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.
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