On July 10 2008 22:13 0xDEADBEEF wrote: It's not even guaranteed that Flash gets to the final. He's playing forGG, not a big name yet but very strong lately. JD vs. Much was easy to predict, but Flash vs forGG is not. Could be either one advancing. And JD will win the final regardless. :p
Wait what, are you joking beacause there is no way that flash will lose to forgg, look at the TvT record, flash has been dominating recently and that loss to forgg dosent mean shit, hes saving his good strats for the msl, and forgg dosent have the best TvT that i think could stand up to flashes
And for all the people saying flash is worse than jaedong zvt, last two best of matchs flash beat him, and the only matches that flash has lost recently zvt was to lux in osl, where as jaedong apart from beating hwasin in osl hasnt looked too strong in zvt
On July 10 2008 22:13 0xDEADBEEF wrote: It's not even guaranteed that Flash gets to the final. He's playing forGG, not a big name yet but very strong lately. JD vs. Much was easy to predict, but Flash vs forGG is not. Could be either one advancing. And JD will win the final regardless. :p
Wait what, are you joking beacause there is no way that flash will lose to forgg, look at the TvT record, flash has been dominating recently and that loss to forgg dosent mean shit, hes saving his good strats for the msl, and forgg dosent have the best TvT that i think could stand up to flashes
And for all the people saying flash is worse than jaedong zvt, last two best of matchs flash beat him, and the only matches that flash has lost recently zvt was to lux in osl, where as jaedong apart from beating hwasin in osl hasnt looked too strong in zvt
Well its obvious you are a Flash fanboy and so it is evident that you delight in slagging on Jaedong and not letting the poor guy recieve any recognition despite the fact he a head above every other zerg player on this planet. If you could for one second stop posting in every thread your insane fanatiscm for flash and talk about who actually played instead of praising the zvt of the guy who got 2-0ed by luxury. Of course I assume you have an excuse for Flash's play that series so no point arguing that.
First ForGG suffered most of his TvT losses during the first half of his career and to very good players I may add. Recently he has been doing much better and like your beloved flash has improved over time, unless that is you don't think he should be afforded the luxury of experience. Lets not forget he recently beat Flash quite easily so he does have the psychological edge going into the series. And Forgg imo is better than Lomo and Lomo pushed Flash to the edge 3-2 in their last series.
As for Jaedong, if the guy didn't have a problem thrashing Hwasin who was 80% in the osl vs zergs on maps that averaged 70% + for terran then you have to feel that Flash is in for a tough battle as his ZvT control is inferior to that of Hwasin. Flash's ZvT looked incredibly mediocre vs Luxury and if that kind of play inspires you to make dumb statements like his ZvT is the best you may be beyond my help.
Fact is Flash has never beat Jaedong in a straight up old fashion ZvT. All his wins are from all in builds and cheese. Also what is more incredible is how Flash fans seem to deny the exsistence of Jaedong's dominating victory 3-1 of Flash in the Msl a week before their other matches. I encourage you to watch their 3rd set on Loki again because Flash rolled out with a monstrous army that looked nigh unbeatable and still yet Jaedong managed to fight tooth and nail for an incredible victory.
Flash's strength just happened to prey on Jaedong's specific weakness at the time: his vulnerability to early rushes and all in builds. Jaedong got beat purely by BO's and his unprepared reactions to them. His series vs Lomo recently has shown that he may still have problems with this but I am sure he is working on improving his only weakness. Flash will not beat Jaedong straight up, no way in hell. Jaedong has that look in his eye, like an animal on the hunt. Flash will have to prepare another batch of cheese and bull@#$% if he wants to take a bo5 from him cuz if he trys to outplay him in traditional ZvT, he will lose.
Yeah forGG's stats aren't good but he's really strong as of late. His stats will rapidly become better. Flash is losing quite a bit lately, looked very vulnerable against Lomo and Luxury, both of whom are not the best from their respective races, and it's also true that JD is - until now - the better player in a straight-up TvZ. Plus, JD is looking quite untouchable once again. I think it wouldn't be too far-fetched to predict JD-Flash 3-1 once again. But I think the final will be JD-forGG (also with JD winning 3-1).
Ok, enough of this crap speculations. Let's just wait and see. :p
On July 10 2008 22:13 0xDEADBEEF wrote: It's not even guaranteed that Flash gets to the final. He's playing forGG, not a big name yet but very strong lately. JD vs. Much was easy to predict, but Flash vs forGG is not. Could be either one advancing. And JD will win the final regardless. :p
Wait what, are you joking beacause there is no way that flash will lose to forgg, look at the TvT record, flash has been dominating recently and that loss to forgg dosent mean shit, hes saving his good strats for the msl, and forgg dosent have the best TvT that i think could stand up to flashes
And for all the people saying flash is worse than jaedong zvt, last two best of matchs flash beat him, and the only matches that flash has lost recently zvt was to lux in osl, where as jaedong apart from beating hwasin in osl hasnt looked too strong in zvt
Well its obvious you are a Flash fanboy and so it is evident that you delight in slagging on Jaedong and not letting the poor guy recieve any recognition despite the fact he a head above every other zerg player on this planet. If you could for one second stop posting in every thread your insane fanatiscm for flash and talk about who actually played instead of praising the zvt of the guy who got 2-0ed by luxury. Of course I assume you have an excuse for Flash's play that series so no point arguing that.
First ForGG suffered most of his TvT losses during the first half of his career and to very good players I may add. Recently he has been doing much better and like your beloved flash has improved over time, unless that is you don't think he should be afforded the luxury of experience. Lets not forget he recently beat Flash quite easily so he does have the psychological edge going into the series. And Forgg imo is better than Lomo and Lomo pushed Flash to the edge 3-2 in their last series.
As for Jaedong, if the guy didn't have a problem thrashing Hwasin who was 80% in the osl vs zergs on maps that averaged 70% + for terran then you have to feel that Flash is in for a tough battle as his ZvT control is inferior to that of Hwasin. Flash's ZvT looked incredibly mediocre vs Luxury and if that kind of play inspires you to make dumb statements like his ZvT is the best you may be beyond my help.
Fact is Flash has never beat Jaedong in a straight up old fashion ZvT. All his wins are from all in builds and cheese. Also what is more incredible is how Flash fans seem to deny the exsistence of Jaedong's dominating victory 3-1 of Flash in the Msl a week before their other matches. I encourage you to watch their 3rd set on Loki again because Flash rolled out with a monstrous army that looked nigh unbeatable and still yet Jaedong managed to fight tooth and nail for an incredible victory.
Flash's strength just happened to prey on Jaedong's specific weakness at the time: his vulnerability to early rushes and all in builds. Jaedong got beat purely by BO's and his unprepared reactions to them. His series vs Lomo recently has shown that he may still have problems with this but I am sure he is working on improving his only weakness. Flash will not beat Jaedong straight up, no way in hell. Jaedong has that look in his eye, like an animal on the hunt. Flash will have to prepare another batch of cheese and bull@#$% if he wants to take a bo5 from him cuz if he trys to outplay him in traditional ZvT, he will lose.
Read my post properly before writing an huge flame, im saying to the rest of the people in the thread that if it is a flash and jaedong finals that its gonna be pretty even and not one sided jaedong rape like people have been calling it to be, jaedongs zvt has been down of late and i am mearly pointing the fact out, and no, no excuse for flash losing to lux but im not contesting that im contesting that his tvz is down the pooper which is what people have been saying where as i dissagree, so im stating that or do you have a problem with that?
Ok, Forgg dose have decent TvT but nothing that can stand up to flash's level of play, and yes he did beat him in proleauge, by my recolection hwasin beat jaedong in proleage before msl and jaedont demolished him so i dont see this as any indicator because imho people save their strats for msl/osl rather than proleauge to keep the element, and if this is correct in what your saying then the phycological advantage should be the same because currently forgg and flash are tied 1-1
"Flash's ZvT looked incredibly mediocre vs Luxury and if that kind of play inspires you to make dumb statements like his ZvT is the best you may be beyond my help." please show me where i made this statement, i read on my quote i said nothing of the sort,
i dont dissagree that jaedong demolished hwasin, but reading is TLPD before that bo5 he was 3-7 in his last 10 so mabey he hasnt been looking as strong as people say he has been
"Flash didnt play straight up blah blah blah" your point being?, flash beat jaedong 2 out of three times in their best of matches, it dosent matter how jaedong gged but flash made him, if jaedong loses to mech, or cheese or w/e flash dose its jaedongs fault, and i know you'd hate to hear it but its jaedongs fault loosing to a bunker rush it was jaedongs fault losing to mech, and yeah its flashs fault for losing to lux when he did
Look your post is pure jaedong fanboyism flame, and not the lengh or putting little smart arse remarks in it makes up for it, my points are all my opionions and half the stuff you quoted me on is faulse, other than that, pretty good first post
On July 10 2008 23:55 0xDEADBEEF wrote: Yeah forGG's stats aren't good but he's really strong as of late. His stats will rapidly become better. Flash is losing quite a bit lately, looked very vulnerable against Lomo and Luxury, both of whom are not the best from their respective races, and it's also true that JD is - until now - the better player in a straight-up TvZ. Plus, JD is looking quite untouchable once again. I think it wouldn't be too far-fetched to predict JD-Flash 3-1 once again. But I think the final will be JD-forGG (also with JD winning 3-1).
Ok, enough of this crap speculations. Let's just wait and see. :p
So ForGGs strats arnt good enought to beat who im calling and i think anyone would call the best TvT in the world, i dont see any one who can take flash TvT in a bo3 or bo5, yeah flash went 3-2 with lomo but thats because lomos atcully good, forgg is weak in tvt compared to flashs play and it will show
As i said before dosent matter that flash has lost a few recently or he lost to forgg beacause jaedongs been losing a few recently and lost to hwasin in proleage and demolished him in the bo5
Wow, so a few months ago, who would've thought Jaedong's weakest matchup would be his ZvT? It's like someone gave him a kick in the stomach and he's letting the beast out once more. He's 9/10 in zvz, 8/10 in zvp but he's 5/10 in zvt. So I'm still worried about his zvt. His first game against Hwasin was a total muta blunder on his part. In his second game he didn't win that convincingly, making several errors but less erros than Hwasin. And I think the rest of the games were just mind-fuck, which JD has been doing expertly to many players recently. I just hope he wakes up to flash, and in the same token, I hope that flash goes beast mode against Jaedong.
On July 10 2008 20:01 Kyuki wrote: That mans focus! Omg..
Takes him quite a while to get out of the adrenaline focus he has before he can smile. Sick sick sick! Flash can't stop JD, he'll win this MSL no matter who he faces.
Flash has the best zvt in the world, nuff said
I believe that title belongs to Hwasin (or maybe Sheis).
Also, ForGG might have a good shot at taking out Flash, but I really want Flash to win because a Jaedong/Flash final would be amazing!
On July 10 2008 20:01 Kyuki wrote: That mans focus! Omg..
Takes him quite a while to get out of the adrenaline focus he has before he can smile. Sick sick sick! Flash can't stop JD, he'll win this MSL no matter who he faces.
Flash has the best zvt in the world, nuff said
I believe that title belongs to Hwasin (or maybe Sheis).
Also, ForGG might have a good shot at taking out Flash, but I really want Flash to win because a Jaedong/Flash final would be amazing!
Really doubt about Sheis, cause he hasn't played any games vs Z recently (oh he actually did and he lost to some z in the minor league). His wins vs Jaedong are very convincing, but i think he should be given more time to prove it. And i totally agree with HwaSIn over FlaSh as the superior TvZ player.
I was hoping Much giving JD a better fight, but nice job anyways. Semis in both starleagues. Next season you'll do better. Actually I think that if his HT didn't got caught in the first game when he was coming out of his base, it would have changed lot of things. Maelstorming JD's first mutals and storming them leaving with only sunks to defend with a goon based army....well, you know the outcome.
Anyways, congrats to JD, hope you win this whole thing!
On July 11 2008 02:11 Warrior Madness wrote: Wow, so a few months ago, who would've thought Jaedong's weakest matchup would be his ZvT? It's like someone gave him a kick in the stomach and he's letting the beast out once more.
Yeah, I know, right? Three months ago or so, when he played against Stork in that final, everyone was like "who's going to suck less?" But now Jaedong's like god of ZvP all of a sudden. What happened? Rather stunning turn-around...
And it's also a bit amusing how it seems to usually be the zerg players whose ZvX goes in streaks. Like July and Savior were known for superior ZvP at one point and ZvT at other points in their primes... but that almost never happens to other races, I think?
On July 11 2008 03:38 RamenStyle wrote: I was hoping Much giving JD a better fight, but nice job anyways. Semis in both starleagues. Next season you'll do better. Actually I think that if his HT didn't got caught in the first game when he was coming out of his base, it would have changed lot of things. Maelstorming JD's first mutals and storming them leaving with only sunks to defend with a goon based army....well, you know the outcome.
Anyways, congrats to JD, hope you win this whole thing!
Much was knocked out in the quarters of the OSL by BeSt
On July 10 2008 19:01 BlackStar wrote: Does anyone know why Much never went dual stargate and DTs. It seems to me that would hard counter what Jaedong was doing.
I guess he doesn't trust in his ability not to get scourged by JD.
No. JD can easily tech switch to hydralisk. By the time Much knew it was pure mass mutalisk, it's too late. At least dragoons & templars can fight ground and take out expansions.
On July 10 2008 22:43 Scaramanga wrote: Wait what, are you joking beacause there is no way that flash will lose to forgg, look at the TvT record, flash has been dominating recently and that loss to forgg dosent mean shit, hes saving his good strats for the msl, and forgg dosent have the best TvT that i think could stand up to flashes
Lomo and ForGG are Lecaf's top powerhouse Terran. If Lomo can bring Flash to the 5th game then ForGG won't be an easy win for Flash. Flash may win, but not as easy you make it out to be.
On July 10 2008 19:21 CDRdude wrote: After the MSL is over, maybe someone can explain the horse. I just don't get it, and judging by the comments I'm not the only one. He was holding up a sign in korean, right? Maybe we could get a translation that would cause it to make slightly more sense.
The mask certainly is scary, but maybe that's because I've only seen it in this video before.
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