edit: Teamliquid Tour i think it was.
WCG USA Qualifiers Episode 2 - Page 5
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SolaR-
United States2685 Posts
edit: Teamliquid Tour i think it was. | ||
QuanticHawk
United States32008 Posts
what is this thing going on in new york? | ||
jeddus
United States832 Posts
Either that or this: Seem to sum up the thread. | ||
Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
On May 30 2008 00:10 Chill wrote: I'm sorry to be an asshole, but you either don't want to see the hacks or you don't understand the game enough to see them. People who understand this game better than you are telling you he hacked in all three games. Either defer to us an find out why we think he hacks, or rebut the arguments in this thread. To quote myself: "People were on MIStrZZZ's case forever because of that particular few replays. But as time went on people just randomly would accuse him even with NO evidence in that current time frame. This is the problem now, and I'm not saying that Spades isn't hacking, but I am pretty sure that people are not giving this actual thought, and just assuming that he is trying to climb atop WCG with oblivion." If there are hacks in the replays that are so obvious that I am apparently oblivious to it, then can someone point out specific points that are evident that some sort of hack was used? I've spent time posting a thought-out post with points that were thought-provoking at the very least, and I was very mannered in the way I presented them. I was not extremely biased either way, as I even said I'm not making a statement that he is 100% hacking or not - I just, in my opinion, did not see any clear evidence that says so in the replays. I just don't think these people who "understand the game" better than me are always that reliable because everyone has their opinions on people. I don't think that people are going to honestly look at these replays with a clean slate in mind and give an honest opinion. Chill, the majority of people who think he hacked in those replays are people who disliked him to begin with. If this person who was allegedly hacking was Machine, they would defend him, even if hypothetically it was a little clear that Machine hacked in those said replays. (Just a hypothetical situation, the weight of one's character will show a more opinionated response - Spades was hated to begin with. No one who originally thought trash of him would watch these replays and all of a sudden feel possible remorse or admit they were wrong knowing the USA BW community). I originally thought Spades hacked, and I still do believe he originally hacked - but if anyone could put their ego down a little bit and actually analyze the replays without being bad-mannered about it you'd obviously see that even if there is some questionable material, it is a lot less than what people make it out to be. You know yourself that people aren't going to go through these replays after trash talking Spades and then admit the replays look clean, especially with the constant hacking comments over and over again. I've spent a lot of time watching through the replays as well as making these posts in a mannered, unbiased way (as much as possible) for the fact that maybe some people can step down a few notches and be willing to be logical, since if you read the two threads on WCG you can hopefully see it lacking. I'm not proposing anything nor am I saying he doesn't hack, but to say that those replays looked very evident of hacks is ridiculous, and hopefully some people in this community can open up a little and appreciate having some intellectual discussion about said controversy without a huge argument. I've tried very hard to create a low-tension discussion with no intentions of starting any flame war or create any trouble. I just want people to actually think a little instead of going with the crowd and pointing fingers, because that is the same exact movements that are destroying Brood War. I've lived through MIStrZZZ era, and to be blunt some of the same people blaming Spades right now blamed MIStrZZZ even months after of his alleged hacking incident(s), as well as blaming him even after he proved his performance at WCG was beautiful - only being knocked out in the loser's bracket by the champion of the event. He even defeated Draco, which is obviously impossible for someone who was accused of as a "hacker" who couldn't play a fair game without cheesing from superior knowledge of a map hack. I won't mention any names, but you know who you are, and the information and biased, bad-mannered statements made by these gamers should not be polluting Spades' case. | ||
PaeZ
Mexico1627 Posts
I hope Idra or Incontrol win this shit :p | ||
Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
congrats to all 3 of them | ||
littlechava
United States7215 Posts
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
On June 01 2008 06:34 Xeris wrote: Artosis and Skew qualified from the US Open. That also means that Future will qualify from the 1st Atlantic, since he got 2nd and Artosis got 1st (If I am correct) congrats to all 3 of them if Skew qualified, then make his name green lol | ||
EnergyTraction
Canada233 Posts
On May 30 2008 00:10 Chill wrote: I'm sorry to be an asshole, but you either don't want to see the hacks or you don't understand the game enough to see them. People who understand this game better than you are telling you he hacked in all three games. Either defer to us an find out why we think he hacks, or rebut the arguments in this thread. Well unfortunately these "better players" more able to analyze high level games also happen to be mostly total douches/super biased (all known USA players). | ||
merz
Sweden2760 Posts
On June 02 2008 06:52 EnergyTraction wrote: Well unfortunately these "better players" more able to analyze high level games also happen to be mostly total douches/super biased (all known USA players). It's pretty frustrating to know that you're right and yet have 10 other guys who know shit about high-level play tell you why you are wrong. That's why they might come out as "douches/super biased" | ||
IdrA
United States11541 Posts
doesnt change the fact that he hacks, but ya. | ||
Quanticfograw
United States2053 Posts
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littlechava
United States7215 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On June 02 2008 11:19 IdrA wrote: nah we really are super biased douchebags in general doesnt change the fact that he hacks, but ya. Hey! I'm the biggest fucking douchebag you cunt. You are like a modest nice guy when compared to the almighty incontrol. btw: nice job being awarded a bed I heard about that. I am glad you arent sleeping floor style anymore ^_^ | ||
Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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NerO
United States2071 Posts
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NastyMarine
United States1252 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5466 Posts
On June 02 2008 14:00 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Hey! I'm the biggest fucking douchebag you cunt. You are like a modest nice guy when compared to the almighty incontrol. btw: nice job being awarded a bed I heard about that. I am glad you arent sleeping floor style anymore ^_^ Ouch idra slept floor style? Thats ruff. Congrats on your bed though. | ||
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