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teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
May 16 2008 22:19 GMT
#381
1/4

I believed in Bisu.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32281 Posts
May 16 2008 22:24 GMT
#382
2/4 Rock & Jangbi
Moderator<:3-/-<
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
May 16 2008 23:38 GMT
#383
1/4

God I thought my heart was gonna be broken again.. GO BISU!!
Writerptrk
Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
May 16 2008 23:45 GMT
#384
On May 17 2008 07:24 IntoTheWow wrote:
2/4 Rock & Jangbi
sAviOr[gm] ~ want to watch good replays? read my blog: http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/wizard
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
May 17 2008 00:01 GMT
#385
haha nice going rock

I was wondering when someone was finally gonna do a succesful 2 gate rush and destroy an assimilator on that map, unless I somehow missed that happening before. Didn't really expect Sea to beat him either way.
Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
May 17 2008 00:24 GMT
#386
1/4

bisu
Flash hwaiting! Nal_rA forever!
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-17 00:53:58
May 17 2008 00:52 GMT
#387
On May 17 2008 06:08 kyjori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2008 19:05 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
nobody should really be surprised by this, if i really cared about liquibet i'd have voted rock

the map is basically impossible to win tvp if you lose your assimilator early on, and there wasnt a damn thing sea could have done about it


oh yes, its impossible TvP wihle the map stats are 6-6, sea winning a handful of those games.

stop making excuses for sea to continually fail in individual leagues.


you're an utter moron

i mean seriously i say something that is sensible and reasonable and you're gonna throw the map's pvt stats at me? briiiiiilliant. Nevermind the BBS games and the fact that Daezang couldnt play his way out of a paper bag at the time when Sea beat him on this map. Nevermind the fact that EVERY TIME A PROTOSS HAS DONE A BUILD MEANT TO KILL THOSE ASSIMILATORS EARLY ON, THEY HAVE WON. Nevermind the fact that once those assimilators are dead, the protoss has complete map control and a ton of gas and there isn't a damn thing terran can do about it. The map is 6-6 it must be completely balanced!!!!!!!!!!!
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
May 17 2008 00:56 GMT
#388
It's fucking annoying listening to a bunch of retards spout off about how Sea is only on the Power Rank because I like him.

He was 10th last Power Rank and OFF IT the month before. Why? Because he wasn't playing well. Why is he 5th right now? Because he's playing well! This shit isn't rocket science, and there are far too many people who don't put any thought into the things they say. No matter where Sea is placed there will be a chorus of people to say HES TOO HIGH FAKESTEVE YOU ARE BIASED AND STUPID GOD I HATE YOU
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
May 17 2008 01:21 GMT
#389
On May 17 2008 09:52 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2008 06:08 kyjori wrote:
On May 16 2008 19:05 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
nobody should really be surprised by this, if i really cared about liquibet i'd have voted rock

the map is basically impossible to win tvp if you lose your assimilator early on, and there wasnt a damn thing sea could have done about it


oh yes, its impossible TvP wihle the map stats are 6-6, sea winning a handful of those games.

stop making excuses for sea to continually fail in individual leagues.


you're an utter moron

i mean seriously i say something that is sensible and reasonable and you're gonna throw the map's pvt stats at me? briiiiiilliant. Nevermind the BBS games and the fact that Daezang couldnt play his way out of a paper bag at the time when Sea beat him on this map. Nevermind the fact that EVERY TIME A PROTOSS HAS DONE A BUILD MEANT TO KILL THOSE ASSIMILATORS EARLY ON, THEY HAVE WON. Nevermind the fact that once those assimilators are dead, the protoss has complete map control and a ton of gas and there isn't a damn thing terran can do about it. The map is 6-6 it must be completely balanced!!!!!!!!!!!


If Sea had flown to 1 instead of Rock's main with that first huge goliath drop he would have won. He got too greedy and tried to go for the main. Rock had 1 carrier, so killing the assimilator asap and raping one main would have won sea the game. (Korean commentators pointed this out as well)

He certainly had opportunities ;o just bad decision making
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
May 17 2008 01:39 GMT
#390
2/4 bisu and rumble

should have picked rock though.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-17 01:42:29
May 17 2008 01:41 GMT
#391
On May 17 2008 10:21 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2008 09:52 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On May 17 2008 06:08 kyjori wrote:
On May 16 2008 19:05 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
nobody should really be surprised by this, if i really cared about liquibet i'd have voted rock

the map is basically impossible to win tvp if you lose your assimilator early on, and there wasnt a damn thing sea could have done about it


oh yes, its impossible TvP wihle the map stats are 6-6, sea winning a handful of those games.

stop making excuses for sea to continually fail in individual leagues.


you're an utter moron

i mean seriously i say something that is sensible and reasonable and you're gonna throw the map's pvt stats at me? briiiiiilliant. Nevermind the BBS games and the fact that Daezang couldnt play his way out of a paper bag at the time when Sea beat him on this map. Nevermind the fact that EVERY TIME A PROTOSS HAS DONE A BUILD MEANT TO KILL THOSE ASSIMILATORS EARLY ON, THEY HAVE WON. Nevermind the fact that once those assimilators are dead, the protoss has complete map control and a ton of gas and there isn't a damn thing terran can do about it. The map is 6-6 it must be completely balanced!!!!!!!!!!!


If Sea had flown to 1 instead of Rock's main with that first huge goliath drop he would have won. He got too greedy and tried to go for the main. Rock had 1 carrier, so killing the assimilator asap and raping one main would have won sea the game. (Korean commentators pointed this out as well)

He certainly had opportunities ;o just bad decision making


i had thought about that when i was watching his first drop but i came to the conclusion that it would have merely delayed the inevitable. Rock could easily afford those carriers and goons without that base. If you saw how large Rock's goon force was.. I mean at worst he'd have half that many goons if he lost that base and that'd still be enough to seal it

Sea's error in that game was the build order itself, he obviously had a backup plan if he lost his assimilator but i didnt see a path to victory at all once rock's carriers began
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Danger_Duck
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Burkina Faso571 Posts
May 17 2008 03:45 GMT
#392
Dude, it's not THAT easy taking down assimilators-I'm still not convinced that if researched seige and made 2 tanks rather than tank + vult/mine protoss still automatically knocks down the assim.

You said he can spread goons, but if you look back, Rock BARELY was able to push the tank back to take potshots at the assimilator...

And if Sea scouted it out, he coulda planted a bunker...all I'm saying that taking down the assimilator is not automatic
TBA
Danger_Duck
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Burkina Faso571 Posts
May 17 2008 03:46 GMT
#393
But you're right in a sense-I think Flash said Troy was imba TvP because he thought assimilators would go down easy, but he has managed to avoid it...
TBA
Purind
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Canada3562 Posts
May 17 2008 20:20 GMT
#394
On May 16 2008 21:02 HaXxorIzed wrote:
Ye, that was what I was wondering Gin. I mean, I can understand Bisu reverting to a strategy he feels comfortable with with an advantage, but I didn't get enough of the game to be able to judge if the DT's were worth it by holding Mind back in his base. Because after all, even if they did no damage the time they bought could have won the game -> and I didn't get to judge that, so I was wondering what people who saw it thought.


I don't think it delayed him at all. As already mentioned, it killed a few SCV's, a supply depot and forced a few mines. Maybe those few extra mines would have made the push more powerful at the time Mind pushed out, but I don't think it affected Mind's timing at all.

Mind's play is so good. I'm liking him more and more every time I watch the guy
Trucy Wright is hot
humblegar
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Norway883 Posts
May 18 2008 00:34 GMT
#395
On May 16 2008 21:13 GinNtoniC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2008 21:07 Danger_Duck wrote:
Lol, I remember on one of the Battle.net attack-like shows Bisu recommended doing DT drops for an easy win over terrans....so yeah, he definitely loves DT drops

Exactly, there was this guy who had submitted a question to the show commentators/hosts about any easy trick to beating terrans and Bisu basically insta-replied "fast DT drop them".

How he, after that, goes on to using that strat over and over again in starleagues is either moronic or super-ballsy. I mean let's face it, it's rarely done him any good, since everyone's prepared for it nowadays.


He obviously planned arbiters, so he needed archives anyways. He was always going to get a shuttle, so the only two "extra" units he builds are the two DTs.

He kept both DTs and shuttle alive for a very long time, and he did kill some stuff, and made Mind waste mines, time and scans back home in stead of somewhere dangerous for Bisu. In addition Mind had used a lot of scans before the Arbiters arrived. He might not have been empty, but it seemed to me that he could not scan as much as he wanted during that last battle.

Defending vs DTs does not come for free (vs a good player).
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
May 18 2008 03:46 GMT
#396
no possible way anyone 4/4ed this
OMG you nasty gurl
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