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On January 19 2008 18:20 Plexa wrote: It was CJ's creative side that won this series for them; thank Kwanro and Darkelf - the new faces of CJ's domination
but i can't help but be really really sad =[ <3 mbc
dont 4get much.. he started the whole comeback.. his game was gosu bw as well
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On January 19 2008 18:19 Spenguin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2008 18:18 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: it's not because sea choked
by the time he saw the port his expansion was basically done, and he made a factory and an armory before siege mode, whereas darkelf just made a ton of marines and skipped cloak for siege and attacked at a very wierd time
in that situation, every terran gets raped Now why didn't anyone understand when I said it!
because people are ignorant and i have a red name
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is awesome32269 Posts
On January 19 2008 18:17 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:And you said that nobody believed you when you said CJ could win?  Um half the people voted CJ.
Well most people that voted CJ did before the lineup and remain silent. While MBC fans where like "maps favor MBC", "MBC has this 4-0". I though 75%+ voted for MBC too, I guess.
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On January 19 2008 18:19 Aillusion wrote: Hm leacaf only has anytime and jaedong to secure wins, rest 5 matchups will be in CJ's favor cuz CJ has alot more better players to choose from 4* ace match ^_^
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Disagreed. Sea had other options. DE microed his attack perfectly which is why he won, and I dont think Sea "choked" per say. He just couldve done much better. Hell happens to the best of em.
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On January 19 2008 18:21 Aillusion wrote: so whose to blame, Sea or Pusan for losin the series? Hyun! :D
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On January 19 2008 18:21 Aillusion wrote: so whose to blame, Sea or Pusan for losin the series? Pusan ans Hyun :-)
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 19 2008 18:21 Aillusion wrote: so whose to blame, Sea or Pusan for losin the series? No one -.- No one from MBC lost it today (perhaps hyun...) it was totally CJ winning it
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On January 19 2008 18:17 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2008 18:16 The Storyteller wrote: Wait... why is this because Sea choked? I know he scouted the starport, but surely he would have expected some wraith harrass into expo for Darkelf, right? Who the hell does a tank/marine/wraith all in in an ace match? It doesn't sound like he played badly at all. He played badly because he couldve microed much better against DEs attack. Or he couldve just waited to engage, OR he could've just ran up his ramp. Lifted his cc..then broke out with 2 fact tank/gol + scvs a little later. There were many options besides throwing away his early game army and like 8 scvs for nothing. And you said that nobody believed you when you said CJ could win?  Um half the people voted CJ.
no, sea basically lost it when DE got siege mode before he did
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On January 19 2008 18:17 Aillusion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2008 18:16 The Storyteller wrote: Wait... why is this because Sea choked? I know he scouted the starport, but surely he would have expected some wraith harrass into expo for Darkelf, right? Who the hell does a tank/marine/wraith all in in an ace match? It doesn't sound like he played badly at all. its not just the starport sea scouted, Before DE pushed, Sea even scounted DE's rax in middle pumping rines, and he didnt do anythin, choke?
It was a completely unorthodox build. That's not choking, that's natural.
On a different note... I wonder about three things:
1. Why DE scouted cross position first 2. Why DE let the SCV into his base (was it deliberate or did he just not care anymore by that point?) 3. Did DE change his mind about wrath harrass or did he have this planned from the start?
Watching the replay, his troop positioning for the all in was beautiful.
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On January 19 2008 18:21 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2008 18:17 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:And you said that nobody believed you when you said CJ could win?  Um half the people voted CJ. Well most people that voted CJ did before the lineup and remain silent. While MBC fans where like "maps favor MBC", "MBC has this 4-0". I though 75%+ voted for MBC too, I guess. Hmm those people are idiots The lineups looked extremely close to me and I said so in the "line up" thread.
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Braavos36372 Posts
No excuses; Sea's BO was a dumb decision, Sea is the superior player, no need to take risks at close positions like he did. Sea should play safer, extend the game, and win later on with superior skills. Repeat, NO NEED to do risky greedy build. Cost his team the match.
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lecaf have also ForGG and Hiya !!! Don't forget !!
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Didn't Sea make an academy? I think he was expecting two port wraiths because he was even upgrading goliath range near the end (he canceled it but it was way too late).
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blame hyun.. or praise Much?
what a great semifinals
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On January 19 2008 18:20 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2008 18:19 Aillusion wrote: Hm leacaf only has anytime and jaedong to secure wins, rest 5 matchups will be in CJ's favor cuz CJ has alot more better players to choose from anytime and jaedong winning means lecaf only has to win one of the remaining four games to send it to an ace, and then lecaf can send anytime or jaedong again
plus, 2v2 isn't an autowin for CJ
forGG and BackHo aren't pushovers, either
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On January 19 2008 18:22 The Storyteller wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2008 18:17 Aillusion wrote:On January 19 2008 18:16 The Storyteller wrote: Wait... why is this because Sea choked? I know he scouted the starport, but surely he would have expected some wraith harrass into expo for Darkelf, right? Who the hell does a tank/marine/wraith all in in an ace match? It doesn't sound like he played badly at all. its not just the starport sea scouted, Before DE pushed, Sea even scounted DE's rax in middle pumping rines, and he didnt do anythin, choke? It was a completely unorthodox build. That's not choking, that's natural. On a different note... I wonder about three things: 1. Why DE scouted cross position first 2. Why DE let the SCV into his base (was it deliberate or did he just not care anymore by that point?) 3. Did DE change his mind about wrath harrass or did he have this planned from the start? Watching the replay, his troop positioning for the all in was beautiful. DE let scv in to scout port so sea would build armory and delay siege? o.O
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The siege timing was pretty insane, I have to say. It seemed Sea didn't think he would have to deal with it, and after taking the first hits he was already committed to the battle. Crazy game to cap off a bunch of other great ones.
But really, Sea is ridiculously good... CJ just has some sort of magic this season that even he couldn't stop.
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On January 19 2008 18:22 ray1234 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2008 18:17 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:On January 19 2008 18:16 The Storyteller wrote: Wait... why is this because Sea choked? I know he scouted the starport, but surely he would have expected some wraith harrass into expo for Darkelf, right? Who the hell does a tank/marine/wraith all in in an ace match? It doesn't sound like he played badly at all. He played badly because he couldve microed much better against DEs attack. Or he couldve just waited to engage, OR he could've just ran up his ramp. Lifted his cc..then broke out with 2 fact tank/gol + scvs a little later. There were many options besides throwing away his early game army and like 8 scvs for nothing. And you said that nobody believed you when you said CJ could win?  Um half the people voted CJ. no, sea basically lost it when DE got siege mode before he did No?
Many terrans in the past have pulled off wins against 1 fact port aggresive builds. Its not like 1 fact tank with seige + wraith is auto win vs FE. You have to control it perfectly and have your opponent make a small mistake.
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On January 19 2008 18:23 Sunyveil wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2008 18:20 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:On January 19 2008 18:19 Aillusion wrote: Hm leacaf only has anytime and jaedong to secure wins, rest 5 matchups will be in CJ's favor cuz CJ has alot more better players to choose from anytime and jaedong winning means lecaf only has to win one of the remaining four games to send it to an ace, and then lecaf can send anytime or jaedong again plus, 2v2 isn't an autowin for CJ forGG and BackHo aren't pushovers, either
2v2 is more like an auto win for leacaf
Anytime + jaedong + justin/flower = autowin 3 games
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