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suprabum3
Profile Joined December 2007
United States373 Posts
January 19 2008 09:21 GMT
#1401
On January 19 2008 18:20 Plexa wrote:
It was CJ's creative side that won this series for them;
thank Kwanro and Darkelf - the new faces of CJ's domination

but i can't help but be really really sad =[ <3 mbc


dont 4get much.. he started the whole comeback.. his game was gosu bw as well
There are two types of tragedies in life. One is not getting what you want, the other is getting it..
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
January 19 2008 09:21 GMT
#1402
On January 19 2008 18:19 Spenguin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 18:18 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
it's not because sea choked

by the time he saw the port his expansion was basically done, and he made a factory and an armory before siege mode, whereas darkelf just made a ton of marines and skipped cloak for siege and attacked at a very wierd time

in that situation, every terran gets raped


Now why didn't anyone understand when I said it!


because people are ignorant and i have a red name
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32281 Posts
January 19 2008 09:21 GMT
#1403
On January 19 2008 18:17 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
And you said that nobody believed you when you said CJ could win? Um half the people voted CJ.



Well most people that voted CJ did before the lineup and remain silent. While MBC fans where like "maps favor MBC", "MBC has this 4-0". I though 75%+ voted for MBC too, I guess.
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Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
January 19 2008 09:21 GMT
#1404
On January 19 2008 18:19 Aillusion wrote:
Hm leacaf only has anytime and jaedong to secure wins, rest 5 matchups will be in CJ's favor cuz CJ has alot more better players to choose from

4*
ace match ^_^
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
January 19 2008 09:21 GMT
#1405
Disagreed. Sea had other options. DE microed his attack perfectly which is why he won, and I dont think Sea "choked" per say. He just couldve done much better. Hell happens to the best of em.

Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
noobienoob
Profile Joined July 2007
United States1173 Posts
January 19 2008 09:21 GMT
#1406
On January 19 2008 18:21 Aillusion wrote:
so whose to blame, Sea or Pusan for losin the series?
Hyun! :D
VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4410 Posts
January 19 2008 09:22 GMT
#1407
On January 19 2008 18:21 Aillusion wrote:
so whose to blame, Sea or Pusan for losin the series?

Pusan ans Hyun :-)
Every fan of Starcraft is a fan of Lim Yo Hwan by association
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
January 19 2008 09:22 GMT
#1408
On January 19 2008 18:21 Aillusion wrote:
so whose to blame, Sea or Pusan for losin the series?
No one -.-
No one from MBC lost it today (perhaps hyun...) it was totally CJ winning it
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
ray1234
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada679 Posts
January 19 2008 09:22 GMT
#1409
On January 19 2008 18:17 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 18:16 The Storyteller wrote:
Wait... why is this because Sea choked? I know he scouted the starport, but surely he would have expected some wraith harrass into expo for Darkelf, right? Who the hell does a tank/marine/wraith all in in an ace match? It doesn't sound like he played badly at all.

He played badly because he couldve microed much better against DEs attack. Or he couldve just waited to engage, OR he could've just ran up his ramp. Lifted his cc..then broke out with 2 fact tank/gol + scvs a little later. There were many options besides throwing away his early game army and like 8 scvs for nothing.

And you said that nobody believed you when you said CJ could win? Um half the people voted CJ.


no, sea basically lost it when DE got siege mode before he did
go OVERSKY MODE!
The Storyteller
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
Singapore2486 Posts
January 19 2008 09:22 GMT
#1410
On January 19 2008 18:17 Aillusion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 18:16 The Storyteller wrote:
Wait... why is this because Sea choked? I know he scouted the starport, but surely he would have expected some wraith harrass into expo for Darkelf, right? Who the hell does a tank/marine/wraith all in in an ace match? It doesn't sound like he played badly at all.


its not just the starport sea scouted, Before DE pushed, Sea even scounted DE's rax in middle pumping rines, and he didnt do anythin, choke?


It was a completely unorthodox build. That's not choking, that's natural.

On a different note... I wonder about three things:

1. Why DE scouted cross position first
2. Why DE let the SCV into his base (was it deliberate or did he just not care anymore by that point?)
3. Did DE change his mind about wrath harrass or did he have this planned from the start?

Watching the replay, his troop positioning for the all in was beautiful.
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
January 19 2008 09:22 GMT
#1411
On January 19 2008 18:21 IntoTheWow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 18:17 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
And you said that nobody believed you when you said CJ could win? Um half the people voted CJ.



Well most people that voted CJ did before the lineup and remain silent. While MBC fans where like "maps favor MBC", "MBC has this 4-0". I though 75%+ voted for MBC too, I guess.

Hmm those people are idiots The lineups looked extremely close to me and I said so in the "line up" thread.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
January 19 2008 09:22 GMT
#1412
No excuses; Sea's BO was a dumb decision, Sea is the superior player, no need to take risks at close positions like he did. Sea should play safer, extend the game, and win later on with superior skills. Repeat, NO NEED to do risky greedy build. Cost his team the match.
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trollbone
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
France1905 Posts
January 19 2008 09:23 GMT
#1413
lecaf have also ForGG and Hiya !!! Don't forget !!
Aepplet
Profile Joined December 2003
Sweden2908 Posts
January 19 2008 09:23 GMT
#1414
Didn't Sea make an academy? I think he was expecting two port wraiths because he was even upgrading goliath range near the end (he canceled it but it was way too late).
suprabum3
Profile Joined December 2007
United States373 Posts
January 19 2008 09:23 GMT
#1415
blame hyun.. or praise Much?

what a great semifinals
There are two types of tragedies in life. One is not getting what you want, the other is getting it..
Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
January 19 2008 09:23 GMT
#1416
On January 19 2008 18:20 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 18:19 Aillusion wrote:
Hm leacaf only has anytime and jaedong to secure wins, rest 5 matchups will be in CJ's favor cuz CJ has alot more better players to choose from


anytime and jaedong winning means lecaf only has to win one of the remaining four games to send it to an ace, and then lecaf can send anytime or jaedong again


plus, 2v2 isn't an autowin for CJ

forGG and BackHo aren't pushovers, either
Peaked at C- on ICCUP and proud of it! @Sunyveil
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
January 19 2008 09:24 GMT
#1417
On January 19 2008 18:22 The Storyteller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 18:17 Aillusion wrote:
On January 19 2008 18:16 The Storyteller wrote:
Wait... why is this because Sea choked? I know he scouted the starport, but surely he would have expected some wraith harrass into expo for Darkelf, right? Who the hell does a tank/marine/wraith all in in an ace match? It doesn't sound like he played badly at all.


its not just the starport sea scouted, Before DE pushed, Sea even scounted DE's rax in middle pumping rines, and he didnt do anythin, choke?


It was a completely unorthodox build. That's not choking, that's natural.

On a different note... I wonder about three things:

1. Why DE scouted cross position first
2. Why DE let the SCV into his base (was it deliberate or did he just not care anymore by that point?)
3. Did DE change his mind about wrath harrass or did he have this planned from the start?

Watching the replay, his troop positioning for the all in was beautiful.

DE let scv in to scout port so sea would build armory and delay siege? o.O
QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
January 19 2008 09:24 GMT
#1418
The siege timing was pretty insane, I have to say. It seemed Sea didn't think he would have to deal with it, and after taking the first hits he was already committed to the battle. Crazy game to cap off a bunch of other great ones.

But really, Sea is ridiculously good... CJ just has some sort of magic this season that even he couldn't stop.
Oh, my eSports
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
January 19 2008 09:24 GMT
#1419
On January 19 2008 18:22 ray1234 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 18:17 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On January 19 2008 18:16 The Storyteller wrote:
Wait... why is this because Sea choked? I know he scouted the starport, but surely he would have expected some wraith harrass into expo for Darkelf, right? Who the hell does a tank/marine/wraith all in in an ace match? It doesn't sound like he played badly at all.

He played badly because he couldve microed much better against DEs attack. Or he couldve just waited to engage, OR he could've just ran up his ramp. Lifted his cc..then broke out with 2 fact tank/gol + scvs a little later. There were many options besides throwing away his early game army and like 8 scvs for nothing.

And you said that nobody believed you when you said CJ could win? Um half the people voted CJ.


no, sea basically lost it when DE got siege mode before he did

No?

Many terrans in the past have pulled off wins against 1 fact port aggresive builds. Its not like 1 fact tank with seige + wraith is auto win vs FE. You have to control it perfectly and have your opponent make a small mistake.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
ray1234
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada679 Posts
January 19 2008 09:24 GMT
#1420
On January 19 2008 18:23 Sunyveil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 18:20 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On January 19 2008 18:19 Aillusion wrote:
Hm leacaf only has anytime and jaedong to secure wins, rest 5 matchups will be in CJ's favor cuz CJ has alot more better players to choose from


anytime and jaedong winning means lecaf only has to win one of the remaining four games to send it to an ace, and then lecaf can send anytime or jaedong again


plus, 2v2 isn't an autowin for CJ

forGG and BackHo aren't pushovers, either


2v2 is more like an auto win for leacaf

Anytime + jaedong + justin/flower = autowin 3 games
go OVERSKY MODE!
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