EPTJust really disrespectful to the scene imo.
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Tanzklaue
Germany1433 Posts
Just really disrespectful to the scene imo. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8209 Posts
On October 20 2026 02:18 M2 wrote: Not sure how much they can afford to lose the defiler control in front of the Zerg base, if the vessels go back, the defilers will probably follow and get into the Terran main which usually means gg Yeah hence my suggestion to not bunch them up in one cloud. I don’t know how that would be done practically but i kind of believe that the first Terran that manages to do that will absolutely dominate TvZ. | ||
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Darksoldierr
Hungary2014 Posts
Excellent game 7 tho, so close | ||
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Shinokuki
United States927 Posts
On October 19 2026 20:53 Highways wrote: Wow Rush done so much better, was expecting a 0-4. He would've won game 7 if he attacked the 3rd expo with his main army while the dropship attacked. Balance is fine except for ZvP. Zerg has a too big advantage against Protoss do you realize zvp is considered hard to play by pros online? it has advantage in tourney but on ladder, proleagues, and spon games zvp is harder than zvt. this match up is meant to be cheesed because if it goes macro game it becomes harder for zerg because of modern maps. many noob foreigners dont know this aspect. its frustrating | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13535 Posts
But who knows? Easy to be a Monday morning quarterback. He needed to press his supply advantage before ultra production kicked in and wasn't able to do so. Once SK's eco kicked in, the ultra/ling/def is such a hard counter to bio Terran that it was always going to be tough for Rush to win the game. | ||
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TMNT
3388 Posts
On October 20 2026 07:36 Shinokuki wrote: do you realize zvp is considered hard to play by pros online? it has advantage in tourney but on ladder, proleagues, and spon games zvp is harder than zvt. this match up is meant to be cheesed because if it goes macro game it becomes harder for zerg because of modern maps. many noob foreigners dont know this aspect. its frustrating If ZvP is harder than ZvT how come all pros have better ZvP win rate than ZvT? Seems like what you're trying to say is ZvP now is harder than what it used to be in the past. | ||
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Shinokuki
United States927 Posts
On October 20 2026 08:52 TMNT wrote: If ZvP is harder than ZvT how come all pros have better ZvP win rate than ZvT? Seems like what you're trying to say is ZvP now is harder than what it used to be in the past. Can you check zvp and zvt win rates in 2026 for soma, soulkey, and hero? i'm not saying zvt has lower win rate. im saying that macro zvp games are hard and zergs are abusing no scout to kill protoss and they would rather do that because macro games favor protoss in standard striahgt up games. balance is fine at our levels and honestly gets bad if zerg wants to macro. no one wants to flip coin build/strategy to win protoss. | ||
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goody153
44311 Posts
Crazy how the terran has to play perfectly keeping the vessels alive and irradiating nonstop to get the value to bring down the zerg to have a chance to win vs lategame zerg while all zerg has to do is one plague then one mistake from terran suddenly the tables turned I dont think any other race is ever winning a finals from here on out. On October 20 2026 04:07 bochs wrote: I agree with the suggestion here that they should give a much longer trial period for new maps before the next season starts to allow ample time for balance fixes, etc. With that in mind, ideally they should release new map candidates like right now. It's not gonna happen zerg players are gonna complain any anti-zerg map On October 19 2026 00:58 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: We actually need to give 99% WR PvZ maps since maps like blitz Y with 33 WR for zerg wasnt enough xd 5 island maps. Third world and Neo Blitz Y but with even more nerfs for zerg. Im thinking the knock entrance trench . I will also vote to keep Snow playing at home his ASL games. You mock but the game has reached to a point that zerg has obvious clear advantage unless you are blind like a bat Since there wont be a balance patch ever. The only logical move is to do a non-zerg favored maps permanently. I mean the maps already designed with one entrance (even with the optional two entrance there is a block) which is just to counter zerg. Might move further with the balance against zerg in permanent map designs That or welcome zergs winning all tournament and eventually just loss of interest in the game if all that wins are zerg | ||
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Maks
Ukraine205 Posts
But the matchup itself still favors Terran, and not many Zerg players know how to play it well. Soulkey is more of an exception to the rule. If you think about it, in the late game, Terran only gets Irradiate for Science Vessels, while Zerg gets Plague and Dark Swarm for the Defiler, Adrenal Glands for Zerglings, and the Chitinous Plating (+2 armor) upgrade for Ultralisks. That’s 1 against 4. That’s exactly why Terrans started playing the mech switch in the late 2000s and kept doing so until Zergs went back to a modified 2 Hatch Muta strategy. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13535 Posts
On October 20 2026 10:14 goody153 wrote: As expected soulkey wins but zerg has the biggest race advantage anyways Crazy how the terran has to play perfectly keeping the vessels alive and irradiating nonstop to get the value to bring down the zerg to have a chance to win vs lategame zerg while all zerg has to do is one plague then one mistake from terran suddenly the tables turned I dont think any other race is ever winning a finals from here on out. It's not gonna happen zerg players are gonna complain any anti-zerg map You mock but the game has reached to a point that zerg has obvious clear advantage unless you are blind like a bat Since there wont be a balance patch ever. The only logical move is to do a non-zerg favored maps permanently. I mean the maps already designed with one entrance (even with the optional two entrance there is a block) which is just to counter zerg. Might move further with the balance against zerg in permanent map designs That or welcome zergs winning all tournament and eventually just loss of interest in the game if all that wins are zerg This is a bit dramatic. Maybe if zergs were 4-0ing every finals it’d have some validity but Rush had every opportunity to win that but SK was better when it counted. BW still remains a game primarily decided by skill. | ||
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