[ASL22] Grand Finals - Page 17

On October 19 2026 00:58 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:

We actually need to give 99% WR PvZ maps since maps like blitz Y with 33 WR for zerg wasnt enough xd

5 island maps. Third world and Neo Blitz Y but with even more nerfs for zerg. Im thinking the knock entrance trench .

I will also vote to keep Snow playing at home his ASL games.

On October 19 2026 04:11 M2 wrote:

Dude, it was not a figure of speech, there were literally two 100% ZvP maps in two of the SKs titles. The guy is the best player anyway, I don't argue this, but I don't understand why there is no such service for Protoss as well. I don't see why a single island or another heavy Protoss favored map in the mix to balance it out is considered bad. My truth is that Zerg players are so much better than both Protoss and Terrans atm, that maps won't change much, but if they are going to give such imbalanced favored maps to one of the sides, give similar to the others too, no?

On October 19 2026 05:02 TMNT wrote:

If you're talking about Death Valley and Roaring Currents, then they're only 100% ZvP maps in ASL. The apparent balance of those maps is more in the 50-60% range as any other map.

(And I say "apparent" because on those gimmick maps there are certain ways of play to get better outcome for Zerg but they don't do that in every online game due to variations in play and/or the amount of effort required. For example if Zerg chooses to turtle on 4 bases on Roaring Currents and go for super late game, they would have massive advantage, which is why the map ended 5-0 for Zerg that season in ASL, but online sometimes they tried a hydra bust or doom drop mid game to end the game much earlier, which backfired)

But the idea of giving Protoss one 100% map doesn't really work either because (a) it can just be banned until Ro8, and (b) what impact does it make if the rest of the map pool is still terrible for Protoss.

The other issue is cheese. Some maps are definitely very good for PvZ overall, giving a win rate of +60%, like Jane Doe. But in tournament setting, Zerg can always cheese and steal a win, like Queen vs Best and JD vs Bisu on this map last season. Soulkey also performed a proxy Ling rush to Bisu on Blitz Y and a Lurker all in to Snow on Troy in the seasons he won. The opposite doesn't apply to "100% ZvP" maps though because Protoss has no equivalent cheese moves against Zerg.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that you can't design such "100% PvZ" maps because the gameplay always leaves room for Zerg to steal a win even on disadvantaged maps for them.

The better approach is to totally subvert the current concept of a standard map (Polypoid, Vermeer, Radeon and their derivatives) because standard maps are actually unfavored for Protoss in both matchups.

On October 19 2026 04:11 M2 wrote:

Dude, it was not a figure of speech, there were literally two 100% ZvP maps in two of the SKs titles. The guy is the best player anyway, I don't argue this, but I don't understand why there is no such service for Protoss as well. I don't see why a single island or another heavy Protoss favored map in the mix to balance it out is considered bad. My truth is that Zerg players are so much better than both Protoss and Terrans atm, that maps won't change much, but if they are going to give such imbalanced favored maps to one of the sides, give similar to the others too, no?

On October 19 2026 05:38 doktordingerdonger wrote:


It really is only Soma and SK being much better than anyone else. Funny how that works when Flash was dominating, it was all Flash and 0 terran but now that the 2 best players by a large margin are Z, its Z thats OP... And Flash had wrist issues while dominating other terrans as well.