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chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2599 Posts
September 09 2025 01:01 GMT
#201
I will say that SK's online games for the past 3-4 weeks were really lackluster. Losing proleague / KCM. Here's to hoping SK finds his drive back again in time for ASL21. And for flash to appear next season.
SC2 is to BW, what coke is to wine.
mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey715 Posts
September 09 2025 01:46 GMT
#202
On September 09 2025 09:53 Stopthevirtualaddict wrote:
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On September 09 2025 07:56 Kraekkling wrote:
the way SK dropped out today could have happened just as well in any of the previous seasons imo

How so? He literally was ahead in every game he played. With quite a margin.
First game straight build order win with overlord even scouting efforts hidden base. Somehow didnt see it, eventhough we see in the life casting his screen switching to that overlord, creep visibile and suddenly send exactly at that point, on the height of the hatch his overlord to the right side back home or whatever. Even than
2nd game vs effort again literally quite ahead. Sees everything with overlord has build advantage decides to do a mass ling flood on a map with a tiny choke. Than gifts mutas randomly.
Vs barracks barracks does nothing and goes for valk push, the thing that literally vs popular 6-5 seasons ago. I honestly thought barracks was a moron for playing literally the easiest game for SK, the anti terran late game god.
But SK didnt even show up…

Even efforts game was strange, strange sunken placements …
I dont know what is going this season, but i find more than strange, the games we are having, like this isnt normal anymore…

You have to understand he took the graceful fall. Notice, the worst thing that could happen right now is a Bo7 final game decider on Roaring Currents like in ASL 15. I think he didn't want his reputation tarnished. High level Starcraft is mostly mental fortitude and looks like Soulkey is afraid of losing in finals more than losing in brackets. He didn't want a rollercoaster of emotions on stage.
Turrican
CHEONSOYUN
Profile Joined August 2017
603 Posts
September 09 2025 04:37 GMT
#203
barracks is really good at sucker punching players with good timings.
JAEDONG...!!! EFFORT IS ANGRY. ZERG...?!
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States388 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-09 05:17:48
September 09 2025 05:17 GMT
#204
LETS FKING GO BARRACKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS ITS YOUR SEASON

i fucked my LB but at least my heart is winning rn
polgas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1783 Posts
September 09 2025 05:48 GMT
#205
Effort is just a giant killer. Knocks Flash and Soulkey in their prime.
Leee Jaee Doong
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19365 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-09 11:53:52
September 09 2025 11:52 GMT
#206
Effort played awesome. It's great to see him do so well.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8670 Posts
September 09 2025 12:49 GMT
#207
How the fuck did Soulkey not see Effort's expansion in game 1? He even pulled back the overlord right when the observer showed that the creep was visible to him....
Stopthevirtualaddict
Profile Joined November 2024
49 Posts
September 09 2025 20:42 GMT
#208
On September 09 2025 10:46 mtcn77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2025 09:53 Stopthevirtualaddict wrote:
On September 09 2025 07:56 Kraekkling wrote:
the way SK dropped out today could have happened just as well in any of the previous seasons imo

How so? He literally was ahead in every game he played. With quite a margin.
First game straight build order win with overlord even scouting efforts hidden base. Somehow didnt see it, eventhough we see in the life casting his screen switching to that overlord, creep visibile and suddenly send exactly at that point, on the height of the hatch his overlord to the right side back home or whatever. Even than
2nd game vs effort again literally quite ahead. Sees everything with overlord has build advantage decides to do a mass ling flood on a map with a tiny choke. Than gifts mutas randomly.
Vs barracks barracks does nothing and goes for valk push, the thing that literally vs popular 6-5 seasons ago. I honestly thought barracks was a moron for playing literally the easiest game for SK, the anti terran late game god.
But SK didnt even show up…

Even efforts game was strange, strange sunken placements …
I dont know what is going this season, but i find more than strange, the games we are having, like this isnt normal anymore…

You have to understand he took the graceful fall. Notice, the worst thing that could happen right now is a Bo7 final game decider on Roaring Currents like in ASL 15. I think he didn't want his reputation tarnished. High level Starcraft is mostly mental fortitude and looks like Soulkey is afraid of losing in finals more than losing in brackets. He didn't want a rollercoaster of emotions on stage.

Well, his reputation is tarnished right now…
4 in row champion cant even build sunken in time,
Loses every game, in a group he created…
Cant micro Mutas vs Scouarge.
Fell a sleep in the games.
You could even claim he was matchfixing, but even a matchfixer wouldnt throw as hard as this. Which means this was his condition.
If he wouldnt want to tarnish himself, he should have not participated in this Asl. Which is crazy to say…

I guess the wisedom is everthing goes away.
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2140 Posts
September 10 2025 03:25 GMT
#209
On September 09 2025 21:49 Miragee wrote:
How the fuck did Soulkey not see Effort's expansion in game 1? He even pulled back the overlord right when the observer showed that the creep was visible to him....

I can only assume he pulled back the overlord without seeing the creep. I personally think that's understandable. What is harder to justify is how long it took him to realise that there must be an expansion somewhere. He misread the game state rather badly.
Dear BW Gods, it IS now autumn, so...
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5628 Posts
September 10 2025 13:58 GMT
#210
On September 10 2025 12:25 Simplistik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2025 21:49 Miragee wrote:
How the fuck did Soulkey not see Effort's expansion in game 1? He even pulled back the overlord right when the observer showed that the creep was visible to him....

I can only assume he pulled back the overlord without seeing the creep. I personally think that's understandable. What is harder to justify is how long it took him to realise that there must be an expansion somewhere. He misread the game state rather badly.

This 100%
I always feel it's funny when a pro needs to confirm it by scouting it and then even reacting like they got tricked. A hidden 4th can easily go unnoticed and make you lose the game, a 3rd likewise to a lesser degree, but a 2nd - especially in the case of ZvZ - you shouldn't be suprised by even if it's hidden.
FBH #1!
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11086 Posts
September 10 2025 20:21 GMT
#211
Guess SK didn’t need the money any more lol. Quietly psyched for a good Effort run.

We all know this is the legend of the Fall. Snow/Mini go do the thing.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey715 Posts
September 10 2025 21:37 GMT
#212
On September 11 2025 05:21 Sabu113 wrote:
We all know this is the legend of the Fall.

Seriously, whomever started it I'm a cult follower from now on.
Turrican
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3221 Posts
September 11 2025 00:02 GMT
#213
On September 09 2025 21:49 Miragee wrote:
How the fuck did Soulkey not see Effort's expansion in game 1? He even pulled back the overlord right when the observer showed that the creep was visible to him....

This is the case where spamming apm at the beginning of the game actually hurts you, I believe. Go watch progamers' FPVOD at the beginning of a game and you can see how many box selecting and screen jumping they do. One move they often do is switch to the scouting worker/overlord for a split second and jump back to their main. You can see at that moment that Soulkey had his screen on the overlord for half a second then switched back to his nat, probably to move command the overlord back there. He probably didn't look at the left side of his screen during that moment at all to catch the creep, and the idea of scouting that base never crossed his mind, so he never went back to look at the fog of war again. Simple as that.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32278 Posts
September 11 2025 00:26 GMT
#214
MY KING! We are so back
Moderator<:3-/-<
Katkishka
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States658 Posts
September 11 2025 02:28 GMT
#215
Rax has earned himself a new fan. Sick plays
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3142 Posts
September 11 2025 05:45 GMT
#216
Once again my LB is in tatters. EffOrt vs SoulKey in the losers match was the last thing I expected.
Artosis loves Starcraft
prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4215 Posts
September 11 2025 08:26 GMT
#217
I thought for sure barracks was going to be the punching bag in this group. His wins were well deserved.
( ・´ー・`)
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44280 Posts
September 11 2025 09:10 GMT
#218
Holy moly.

Barracks as #1 seed and Effort eliminating Soulkey in a 2-0 ?!?!?!?!???

Insane results. And it aint even fluke like Soulkey got super outplayed for 3 games he lost.

If soulkey wasnt eliminated here I would've just assumed he would take this ASL championship again. Now things get exciting again.

Snow might actually win this time around
this is a quote
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1250 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-11 09:15:41
September 11 2025 09:15 GMT
#219
On September 10 2025 22:58 Peeano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2025 12:25 Simplistik wrote:
On September 09 2025 21:49 Miragee wrote:
How the fuck did Soulkey not see Effort's expansion in game 1? He even pulled back the overlord right when the observer showed that the creep was visible to him....

I can only assume he pulled back the overlord without seeing the creep. I personally think that's understandable. What is harder to justify is how long it took him to realise that there must be an expansion somewhere. He misread the game state rather badly.

This 100%
I always feel it's funny when a pro needs to confirm it by scouting it and then even reacting like they got tricked. A hidden 4th can easily go unnoticed and make you lose the game, a 3rd likewise to a lesser degree, but a 2nd - especially in the case of ZvZ - you shouldn't be suprised by even if it's hidden.

Soulkey's vision box did switch to the overlord for a second. He should have seen it. But chances are he jumped vision box to the overlord, but was looking at the minimap, not at the screen itself. Or he wanted to hide his knowledge of that expo from Effort for reasons, and it backfired. Tough to call but odds are in favor of him having missed it.
JDON MY SOUL!
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22410 Posts
September 11 2025 09:26 GMT
#220
On September 11 2025 18:15 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2025 22:58 Peeano wrote:
On September 10 2025 12:25 Simplistik wrote:
On September 09 2025 21:49 Miragee wrote:
How the fuck did Soulkey not see Effort's expansion in game 1? He even pulled back the overlord right when the observer showed that the creep was visible to him....

I can only assume he pulled back the overlord without seeing the creep. I personally think that's understandable. What is harder to justify is how long it took him to realise that there must be an expansion somewhere. He misread the game state rather badly.

This 100%
I always feel it's funny when a pro needs to confirm it by scouting it and then even reacting like they got tricked. A hidden 4th can easily go unnoticed and make you lose the game, a 3rd likewise to a lesser degree, but a 2nd - especially in the case of ZvZ - you shouldn't be suprised by even if it's hidden.

Soulkey's vision box did switch to the overlord for a second. He should have seen it. But chances are he jumped vision box to the overlord, but was looking at the minimap, not at the screen itself. Or he wanted to hide his knowledge of that expo from Effort for reasons, and it backfired. Tough to call but odds are in favor of him having missed it.
If he knew about the expo he would have attacked it when he had Effort boxed into his base with zerglings.

That was the perfect moment.
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