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chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2585 Posts
April 22 2025 09:15 GMT
#2
HYYYYPPEEEEE
SC2 is to BW, what coke is to wine.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8057 Posts
April 22 2025 09:22 GMT
#3
HYPE!

Group of Death!

LB: Mini and Rush
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8057 Posts
April 22 2025 09:24 GMT
#4
You can watch JD vs Flash right now untill ASL is starting !!!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Incomplete..ReV
Profile Joined August 2017
Norway633 Posts
April 22 2025 09:25 GMT
#5
On days like these I wish I were unemployed again!
It's ok. I still love you <3
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
April 22 2025 09:29 GMT
#6
I have no idea which way this one will go. The bracket suits hero. He’d likely get 2 PvZs in a row.

Conversely bracket is brutal for Rush. Could have to face Snow and Mini in consecutive series.

Gun to my head I’ll go Snow and Hero.

Snow > Rush
Hero > mini
Hero > snow
Mini > rush
Snow > mini
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Toshinou-Kyouko
Profile Joined November 2024
Philippines153 Posts
April 22 2025 09:39 GMT
#7
Snow and Mini maybe
Yuru Yuri best anime
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8057 Posts
April 22 2025 09:46 GMT
#8
On April 22 2025 18:25 Incomplete..ReV wrote:
On days like these I wish I were unemployed again!

What a time for BW fans...

A few more minutes till ASL is starting and you can watch JD and Flash fighting in a BO 3
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Last.Midnight
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Australia903 Posts
April 22 2025 09:47 GMT
#9
On April 22 2025 18:29 RowdierBob wrote:
I have no idea which way this one will go. The bracket suits hero. He’d likely get 2 PvZs in a row.

Conversely bracket is brutal for Rush. Could have to face Snow and Mini in consecutive series.

Gun to my head I’ll go Snow and Hero.

Snow > Rush
Hero > mini
Hero > snow
Mini > rush
Snow > mini


Agree with these picks.
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey731 Posts
April 22 2025 09:54 GMT
#10
LB: Mini and Snow
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands895 Posts
April 22 2025 09:58 GMT
#11
snow > rush
Hero > Mini
Snow > Hero
Rush > Mini
Hero = Rush

I dont know who will win between Hero and Rush. But honestly this grouo is supwr duper even on paper. except snow. on paper snow should win this group. but bo1 and bo3 are small sets so anything can happen. had it been bo5 or bo7 snow for sure wins this without any doubts.
JDON MY SOUL!
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
April 22 2025 10:03 GMT
#12
I think the placements of this group depends on which mini shows up today? Will it be god mini or will it be the mini that doesn't know what to do after he fails to kill his opponent with speedlots.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4993 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-22 10:14:35
April 22 2025 10:13 GMT
#13
I wanna throw a tantrum like a 4y/o because I cannot watch this live. This group is too juicy.
Let's go SnOw!
FBH #1!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
April 22 2025 10:27 GMT
#14
Shin Iron Reaver over here showing how its done.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8057 Posts
April 22 2025 10:30 GMT
#15
I know Rush lost a lot of units but I feel he is catching up a bit..
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
April 22 2025 10:32 GMT
#16
many tanks go boom
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
April 22 2025 10:32 GMT
#17
the reeba is real
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8057 Posts
April 22 2025 10:32 GMT
#18
On April 22 2025 19:30 prosatan wrote:
I know Rush lost a lot of units but I feel he is catching up a bit..

bad call
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
April 22 2025 10:34 GMT
#19
rush looking extremely rip
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8057 Posts
April 22 2025 10:36 GMT
#20
Rush trying and failing to take his 3rd

GG ! WP Snow!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
April 22 2025 10:36 GMT
#21
Poll: Recommend Snow vs Rush?

Yes (16)
 
89%

If you have time (2)
 
11%

No (0)
 
0%

18 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Snow vs Rush?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Profile Joined November 2024
Philippines153 Posts
April 22 2025 10:36 GMT
#22
Masterclass PvT by SnOw right there
Yuru Yuri best anime
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
April 22 2025 10:36 GMT
#23
Flawless from Snow.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-22 10:38:36
April 22 2025 10:37 GMT
#24
On April 22 2025 19:36 RowdierBob wrote:
Flawless from Snow.


for what its worth Rush was prioritizing those shuttles and reavers instead of just holding point or attacking.

He just lost too much doing so.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey731 Posts
April 22 2025 10:38 GMT
#25
Too one sided game.Well done Snow.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
April 22 2025 10:41 GMT
#26
Bring on some chaos Mini. Hero will want to drone whore and Mini will do what he can to disrupt this.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4993 Posts
April 22 2025 10:43 GMT
#27
Truly reaver god. It's incredible to see how crazy it can get, especially considering that both precision and decision making could have been better.
FBH #1!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8057 Posts
April 22 2025 10:46 GMT
#28
BLinD-RawR do you want me to make polls ?
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
April 22 2025 10:47 GMT
#29
On April 22 2025 19:46 prosatan wrote:
BLinD-RawR do you want me to make polls ?


no worries, I am watching. If I need help, I'll ask.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
April 22 2025 10:48 GMT
#30
Mini gonna die here
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
April 22 2025 10:49 GMT
#31
Maybe not. Thought he cannoned too late.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
April 22 2025 10:50 GMT
#32
Mini can't reaver like snow
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
April 22 2025 10:50 GMT
#33
shuttle drops with no speed, classic mini.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4993 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-22 10:51:30
April 22 2025 10:51 GMT
#34
On April 22 2025 19:50 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Mini can't reaver like snow

lmao. Really feels like last game inspired Mini to (try to) style like SnOw.
FBH #1!
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
April 22 2025 10:51 GMT
#35
Yeah that was rough for Mini. Great d from hero.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8057 Posts
April 22 2025 10:52 GMT
#36
good reaver play right there !!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8057 Posts
April 22 2025 10:53 GMT
#37
40+ supply difference in favor of mini !!

he has this !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4993 Posts
April 22 2025 10:53 GMT
#38
26 kills on that one tho
FBH #1!
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
April 22 2025 10:53 GMT
#39
Incredible. Go Mini!
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
April 22 2025 10:54 GMT
#40
I do think Mini has done enough damage to catch up now.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
April 22 2025 10:54 GMT
#41
oh he's done more than enough damage lol killed the 3rd.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Zergxhx
Profile Joined November 2020
China146 Posts
April 22 2025 10:55 GMT
#42
Holy shit!
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
April 22 2025 10:55 GMT
#43
hero dead man walkin
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8057 Posts
April 22 2025 10:55 GMT
#44
this game is reminding me of the finals between mini and larva
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
April 22 2025 10:55 GMT
#45
This build from mini is brilliant.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4993 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-22 10:56:30
April 22 2025 10:55 GMT
#46
-3 hatcheries is a big OOMPH, like a punch in the gut.
FBH #1!
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
April 22 2025 10:56 GMT
#47
now thats a great build from mini

that will shut the pvz whiners up
Talaris
Profile Joined March 2011
Switzerland753 Posts
April 22 2025 10:56 GMT
#48
wtf that first Mini game :O
-= Jaedong // HerO // HasuObs // Unholy Alliance =-
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8057 Posts
April 22 2025 10:56 GMT
#49
more than douuble supply for mini !

GG! PvP in winners game! Let's go mini !!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
April 22 2025 10:56 GMT
#50
Poll: Recommend hero vs Mini?

Yes (28)
 
100%

No (0)
 
0%

If you have time (0)
 
0%

28 total votes

Your vote: Recommend hero vs Mini?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4993 Posts
April 22 2025 10:56 GMT
#51
Reeboru good unit, yes?
FBH #1!
iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1570 Posts
April 22 2025 10:57 GMT
#52
Looks like this is Protoss day.
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
April 22 2025 10:57 GMT
#53
Never let hero get into his drone whore macro zone. Sensational.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia1847 Posts
April 22 2025 10:57 GMT
#54
That was impressive. Guess it wouldn't work against earlier Mutas though.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4993 Posts
April 22 2025 10:57 GMT
#55
Reaver PvPs incoming.
FBH #1!
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
April 22 2025 10:57 GMT
#56
prepare to chug
Last.Midnight
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Australia903 Posts
April 22 2025 10:57 GMT
#57
That was looking like a blunder but he really made that work. Damn gj Mini.
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey731 Posts
April 22 2025 10:58 GMT
#58
Mini did the same build to Queen.Well executed.
Zergxhx
Profile Joined November 2020
China146 Posts
April 22 2025 10:58 GMT
#59
Now it's time to prove who has the better Reaver micro. I'm betting on Snow.
Talaris
Profile Joined March 2011
Switzerland753 Posts
April 22 2025 10:59 GMT
#60
On April 22 2025 19:56 ggsimida wrote:
now thats a great build from mini

that will shut the pvz whiners up


ya, it's gotten pretty bad lately, Z whining all the time b/c they need to make more than 1 unit. Maybe this build will hammer in that making another unit (like scourge) is good play.
-= Jaedong // HerO // HasuObs // Unholy Alliance =-
CeJo1
Profile Joined August 2021
32 Posts
April 22 2025 10:59 GMT
#61
Mini you are so fun to watch dude
Zergxhx
Profile Joined November 2020
China146 Posts
April 22 2025 11:00 GMT
#62
The RO8 eight now has at least two Protoss
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
April 22 2025 11:00 GMT
#63
On April 22 2025 20:00 Zergxhx wrote:
The RO8 eight now has at least two Protoss

Three even!
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
CeJo1
Profile Joined August 2021
32 Posts
April 22 2025 11:02 GMT
#64
On April 22 2025 20:00 Zergxhx wrote:
The RO8 eight now has at least two Protoss

You mean 3 toss, Best/Rain and at least 1 from this group
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
April 22 2025 11:02 GMT
#65
On April 22 2025 19:59 Talaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2025 19:56 ggsimida wrote:
now thats a great build from mini

that will shut the pvz whiners up


ya, it's gotten pretty bad lately, Z whining all the time b/c they need to make more than 1 unit. Maybe this build will hammer in that making another unit (like scourge) is good play.


i dont see any zergs whining, its mostly protoss whining that hydra bust is an automatic win which mini disproves soundly here
Talaris
Profile Joined March 2011
Switzerland753 Posts
April 22 2025 11:02 GMT
#66
On April 22 2025 20:00 RowdierBob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2025 20:00 Zergxhx wrote:
The RO8 eight now has at least two Protoss

Three even!

Kinda rooting for rush now, 3/3/2 would be a nicer spread than 431
-= Jaedong // HerO // HasuObs // Unholy Alliance =-
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
April 22 2025 11:05 GMT
#67
On April 22 2025 20:02 Talaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2025 20:00 RowdierBob wrote:
On April 22 2025 20:00 Zergxhx wrote:
The RO8 eight now has at least two Protoss

Three even!

Kinda rooting for rush now, 3/3/2 would be a nicer spread than 431

Really bad loss for hero here. Rush is prob the best TvZer going around right now. Gonna be hard for hero to win.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4993 Posts
April 22 2025 11:06 GMT
#68
If Rain PvP is still a thing, this can be great homework material for Rain.
FBH #1!
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2737 Posts
April 22 2025 11:09 GMT
#69
On April 22 2025 20:02 ggsimida wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2025 19:59 Talaris wrote:
On April 22 2025 19:56 ggsimida wrote:
now thats a great build from mini

that will shut the pvz whiners up


ya, it's gotten pretty bad lately, Z whining all the time b/c they need to make more than 1 unit. Maybe this build will hammer in that making another unit (like scourge) is good play.


i dont see any zergs whining, its mostly protoss whining that hydra bust is an automatic win which mini disproves soundly here

Nothing is an automatic win. But Mini winning this map doesn't disprove anything when (a) it's an unorthodox strategy that only works as a one off, (b) it's map dependant, (c) Mini needs scouting and spawning luck and (d) Hero unaware of an entire army walking accross the map, and (e) Mini still getting hydra busted regularly in proleague lol
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
April 22 2025 11:10 GMT
#70
On April 22 2025 20:09 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2025 20:02 ggsimida wrote:
On April 22 2025 19:59 Talaris wrote:
On April 22 2025 19:56 ggsimida wrote:
now thats a great build from mini

that will shut the pvz whiners up


ya, it's gotten pretty bad lately, Z whining all the time b/c they need to make more than 1 unit. Maybe this build will hammer in that making another unit (like scourge) is good play.


i dont see any zergs whining, its mostly protoss whining that hydra bust is an automatic win which mini disproves soundly here

Nothing is an automatic win. But Mini winning this map doesn't disprove anything when (a) it's an unorthodox strategy that only works as a one off, (b) it's map dependant, (c) Mini needs scouting and spawning luck and (d) Hero unaware of an entire army walking accross the map, and (e) Mini still getting hydra busted regularly in proleague lol


ok mr. protoss!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8057 Posts
April 22 2025 11:13 GMT
#71
mini wth you need 2 obs for ??
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2737 Posts
April 22 2025 11:15 GMT
#72
On April 22 2025 20:10 ggsimida wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2025 20:09 TMNT wrote:
On April 22 2025 20:02 ggsimida wrote:
On April 22 2025 19:59 Talaris wrote:
On April 22 2025 19:56 ggsimida wrote:
now thats a great build from mini

that will shut the pvz whiners up


ya, it's gotten pretty bad lately, Z whining all the time b/c they need to make more than 1 unit. Maybe this build will hammer in that making another unit (like scourge) is good play.


i dont see any zergs whining, its mostly protoss whining that hydra bust is an automatic win which mini disproves soundly here

Nothing is an automatic win. But Mini winning this map doesn't disprove anything when (a) it's an unorthodox strategy that only works as a one off, (b) it's map dependant, (c) Mini needs scouting and spawning luck and (d) Hero unaware of an entire army walking accross the map, and (e) Mini still getting hydra busted regularly in proleague lol


ok mr. protoss!

More like Mr. knowing what he's talking about and backing it up with arguments and facts
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia1847 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-22 11:16:53
April 22 2025 11:16 GMT
#73
How did Snow win that battle? More goons? Seemed like he was losing after the first Reaver got killed.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8057 Posts
April 22 2025 11:16 GMT
#74
mini was a bit ahead and after 1 minute he gg'ed.....

god damn
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
April 22 2025 11:16 GMT
#75
Poll: Recommend Winner's Game Set 1?

No (6)
 
43%

If you have time (5)
 
36%

Yes (3)
 
21%

14 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Winner's Game Set 1?

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ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
April 22 2025 11:17 GMT
#76
On April 22 2025 20:15 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2025 20:10 ggsimida wrote:
On April 22 2025 20:09 TMNT wrote:
On April 22 2025 20:02 ggsimida wrote:
On April 22 2025 19:59 Talaris wrote:
On April 22 2025 19:56 ggsimida wrote:
now thats a great build from mini

that will shut the pvz whiners up


ya, it's gotten pretty bad lately, Z whining all the time b/c they need to make more than 1 unit. Maybe this build will hammer in that making another unit (like scourge) is good play.


i dont see any zergs whining, its mostly protoss whining that hydra bust is an automatic win which mini disproves soundly here

Nothing is an automatic win. But Mini winning this map doesn't disprove anything when (a) it's an unorthodox strategy that only works as a one off, (b) it's map dependant, (c) Mini needs scouting and spawning luck and (d) Hero unaware of an entire army walking accross the map, and (e) Mini still getting hydra busted regularly in proleague lol


ok mr. protoss!

More like Mr. knowing what he's talking about and backing it up with arguments and facts


downplaying mini's ability and whining away as usual like above doesnt strike me as mr knowing
Toshinou-Kyouko
Profile Joined November 2024
Philippines153 Posts
April 22 2025 11:17 GMT
#77
Surprise third reaver by Snow

gg game 1
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2737 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-22 11:23:38
April 22 2025 11:23 GMT
#78
On April 22 2025 20:17 ggsimida wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2025 20:15 TMNT wrote:
On April 22 2025 20:10 ggsimida wrote:
On April 22 2025 20:09 TMNT wrote:
On April 22 2025 20:02 ggsimida wrote:
On April 22 2025 19:59 Talaris wrote:
On April 22 2025 19:56 ggsimida wrote:
now thats a great build from mini

that will shut the pvz whiners up


ya, it's gotten pretty bad lately, Z whining all the time b/c they need to make more than 1 unit. Maybe this build will hammer in that making another unit (like scourge) is good play.


i dont see any zergs whining, its mostly protoss whining that hydra bust is an automatic win which mini disproves soundly here

Nothing is an automatic win. But Mini winning this map doesn't disprove anything when (a) it's an unorthodox strategy that only works as a one off, (b) it's map dependant, (c) Mini needs scouting and spawning luck and (d) Hero unaware of an entire army walking accross the map, and (e) Mini still getting hydra busted regularly in proleague lol


ok mr. protoss!

More like Mr. knowing what he's talking about and backing it up with arguments and facts


downplaying mini's ability and whining away as usual like above doesnt strike me as mr knowing

It's not downplaying Mini's ability. Everyone knows he prepare specific builds for specific maps and gambles a lot. It's his strength and his weakness. I implied that he prepared well for this Bo1 on Metropolis but you interpreted my post as him stumbling to a win based on luck.


Toshinou-Kyouko
Profile Joined November 2024
Philippines153 Posts
April 22 2025 11:27 GMT
#79
stop sending obs to their deaths snow smfh
Yuru Yuri best anime
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
April 22 2025 11:30 GMT
#80
Mini getting dogwalked
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8057 Posts
April 22 2025 11:31 GMT
#81
... poor mini
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-22 11:32:35
April 22 2025 11:32 GMT
#82
how was that shuttle not seen?

ok he still got it.
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Profile Joined November 2024
Philippines153 Posts
April 22 2025 11:33 GMT
#83
Time for lots and lots of shuttle reaver drops
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8057 Posts
April 22 2025 11:34 GMT
#84
could this be an amazing comeback from mini ???
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
April 22 2025 11:34 GMT
#85
jesus snow how'd you get so many holes.
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gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia1847 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-22 11:36:35
April 22 2025 11:35 GMT
#86
Thought Snow had it with that contain but great counter-drops from Mini.

edit: well, almost
Toshinou-Kyouko
Profile Joined November 2024
Philippines153 Posts
April 22 2025 11:36 GMT
#87
excellent defense by snow
Yuru Yuri best anime
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8057 Posts
April 22 2025 11:36 GMT
#88
no , no it can't ....
WP snow !
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
April 22 2025 11:37 GMT
#89
Poll: Recommend Winner's Game Set 2?

Yes (17)
 
89%

If you have time (2)
 
11%

No (0)
 
0%

19 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Winner's Game Set 2?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4993 Posts
April 22 2025 11:37 GMT
#90
Not actually losing 3rd there was big.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4993 Posts
April 22 2025 11:40 GMT
#91
Let's hope Mini can keep his mental together for the final match.
FBH #1!
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2737 Posts
April 22 2025 11:43 GMT
#92
Snow got carried away a little bit with that 4 Reaver siege in front of Mini's base, maybe influenced a bit from this game between them recently:


in which he sieged Mini, who was WITH storms, in that exact map and location, with only reaver tech.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
April 22 2025 12:00 GMT
#93
man, something about Rush's TvZ... he's much more dynamic and faster with his moves and attack timings, such a joy to watch
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Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
April 22 2025 12:06 GMT
#94
hero fantasy timing is real.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
April 22 2025 12:06 GMT
#95
textbook TvZ
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
April 22 2025 12:06 GMT
#96
Poll: Recommend Losers' Game Set 1?

If you have time (9)
 
82%

Yes (2)
 
18%

No (0)
 
0%

11 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Losers' Game Set 1?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3809 Posts
April 22 2025 12:08 GMT
#97
Aww man, not having 4 Zergs is probably better for the tournament overall but I was hoping Hero could get his ASL this season
: o )
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2737 Posts
April 22 2025 12:10 GMT
#98
Rush getting out of this group is good for race distribution. And he has a real chance, maybe even favorite against Mini.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
April 22 2025 12:11 GMT
#99
On April 22 2025 21:08 ShloobeR wrote:
Aww man, not having 4 Zergs is probably better for the tournament overall but I was hoping Hero could get his ASL this season

his ZvP seems quite good but his ZvT still needs some work
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
April 22 2025 12:12 GMT
#100
5 marines for 3 drones + not mining, that's a win
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
April 22 2025 12:14 GMT
#101
going fast 3rd hatch at the gas is probably the best choice HerO can make at this moment
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2737 Posts
April 22 2025 12:14 GMT
#102
No Hero in R08 is strange but we're heading towards it.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
April 22 2025 12:15 GMT
#103
nice attack by HerO, who needs to buy more time, not necessary to cause any significant damage
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
April 22 2025 12:17 GMT
#104
that gamble to take a fast 3rd gas really paid off
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4993 Posts
April 22 2025 12:19 GMT
#105
Very nice gg timing by Rush
FBH #1!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
April 22 2025 12:19 GMT
#106
Poll: Recommend Losers' Game Set 2?

Yes (6)
 
55%

If you have time (3)
 
27%

No (2)
 
18%

11 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Losers' Game Set 2?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2737 Posts
April 22 2025 12:19 GMT
#107
This is the ZvT equivalent of the Sharp vs Best game in group B. One moment of army out of position, and bam! you're dead.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
April 22 2025 12:23 GMT
#108
yeah 2 rax is gg lol
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kaspa84
Profile Joined July 2016
Brazil169 Posts
April 22 2025 12:23 GMT
#109
On April 22 2025 20:02 ggsimida wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2025 19:59 Talaris wrote:
On April 22 2025 19:56 ggsimida wrote:
now thats a great build from mini

that will shut the pvz whiners up


ya, it's gotten pretty bad lately, Z whining all the time b/c they need to make more than 1 unit. Maybe this build will hammer in that making another unit (like scourge) is good play.


i dont see any zergs whining, its mostly protoss whining that hydra bust is an automatic win which mini disproves soundly here


Not True, usually the complaint is that Hydra bust is an all-in where Z actually mantains lots of chips behind the pot.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
April 22 2025 12:23 GMT
#110
wait the bunker doesnt reach the hatchery LOL
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
April 22 2025 12:24 GMT
#111
wtf was that micro? just hit the sunken?
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4993 Posts
April 22 2025 12:24 GMT
#112
wtf is that decision making by both players there actually
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2737 Posts
April 22 2025 12:27 GMT
#113
Rush embracing his ID this game lol
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4993 Posts
April 22 2025 12:28 GMT
#114
Why doesn't obs show scan place anymore when there is no cloaked unit out anyway. Lazy? Nothing else interesting was happening anyway.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4993 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-22 12:30:24
April 22 2025 12:30 GMT
#115
The classic 3tank 1 vessel before hive tech kicked in push
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
April 22 2025 12:32 GMT
#116
Poll: Recommned Losers' Game Set 3?

Yes (8)
 
80%

If you have time (2)
 
20%

No (0)
 
0%

10 total votes

Your vote: Recommned Losers' Game Set 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4993 Posts
April 22 2025 12:32 GMT
#117
Did hero even make scourge there? Can't let Terran have free high ground vision and increased siege tank range like that.
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2737 Posts
April 22 2025 12:33 GMT
#118
we may have Death Valley next maybe?
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
April 22 2025 12:34 GMT
#119
we might still get a 4/3/1 but its protoss favored for Ro8
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
April 22 2025 12:34 GMT
#120
Rush very strong in TvZ. Hero was always in trouble after dropping the first set.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia1847 Posts
April 22 2025 12:44 GMT
#121
Die death of deadly despite shield battery
Talaris
Profile Joined March 2011
Switzerland753 Posts
April 22 2025 12:44 GMT
#122
ouch, that single Dragoon w/o range trying to "help"
-= Jaedong // HerO // HasuObs // Unholy Alliance =-
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
April 22 2025 12:57 GMT
#123
Poll: Recommend Final Game Set 1?

If you have time (6)
 
60%

Yes (4)
 
40%

No (0)
 
0%

10 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Final Game Set 1?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
April 22 2025 12:58 GMT
#124
Such a big diff in quality between Mini and Snow/Best in PvT. Mini plays such a crapshoot style. Entertaining but hard to predict.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1044 Posts
April 22 2025 12:58 GMT
#125
Very hard to be more entertaining than Mini. And he does it at the top level. sOs in the making
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4993 Posts
April 22 2025 12:59 GMT
#126
Mini missing mommy's caress after that game.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4993 Posts
April 22 2025 13:01 GMT
#127
12nex into mine sweeper it seems
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4993 Posts
April 22 2025 13:03 GMT
#128
Really needed a Mini cam zoom in there, lmao!
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4993 Posts
April 22 2025 13:04 GMT
#129
Classic Mini self-defeat
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4993 Posts
April 22 2025 13:05 GMT
#130
Nice long leg goon control there. Mini seems to have found determination to try hard still.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
April 22 2025 13:05 GMT
#131
Rush is committed to making mini cry now.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
April 22 2025 13:05 GMT
#132
On April 22 2025 22:03 Peeano wrote:
Really needed a Mini cam zoom in there, lmao!


I miss real production value like doom zooms.
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
April 22 2025 13:10 GMT
#133
mini's defense in shambles
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
April 22 2025 13:10 GMT
#134
On April 22 2025 22:05 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2025 22:03 Peeano wrote:
Really needed a Mini cam zoom in there, lmao!


I miss real production value like doom zooms.

the doom zooms, the sweat drips (aka JD vs Stork on Match Point), etc... miss them all
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4993 Posts
April 22 2025 13:10 GMT
#135
The good thing about that vulture run by is that Mini won't be as stupid as to take a 3rd early, right??!
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4993 Posts
April 22 2025 13:13 GMT
#136
This is push is exactly why I wanted Mini to not take 3rd early.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4993 Posts
April 22 2025 13:14 GMT
#137
Dude has no critical mass and is just bleeding off units "trying to buy time"
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
April 22 2025 13:14 GMT
#138
mini taking too much risk with these shuttles and losing every single one of them lol
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66163 Posts
April 22 2025 13:14 GMT
#139
gg

mini just mentally boomed in this series vs Rush
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
April 22 2025 13:15 GMT
#140
Poll: Recommend Final Game Set 2?

If you have time (7)
 
64%

Yes (3)
 
27%

No (1)
 
9%

11 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Final Game Set 2?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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Talaris
Profile Joined March 2011
Switzerland753 Posts
April 22 2025 13:15 GMT
#141
Rush played well, gg
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
April 22 2025 13:15 GMT
#142
Thats it for the longest set of nights in the season.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21691 Posts
April 22 2025 13:17 GMT
#143
poor mini, he looks just utterly defeated
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
April 22 2025 13:17 GMT
#144
The brackets for the ro8 will be interesting af.

Top seeds: Snow, SK, JD, Queen
2 seeds: Light, Rush, Best, Rain

Lots of PvZ in ro8 it seems.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia1847 Posts
April 22 2025 13:18 GMT
#145
Who are the faves for the rest of the tournament? Soulkey, Snow, Queen maybe?
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4993 Posts
April 22 2025 13:19 GMT
#146
Snow should rewatch all P games of this group later and farm balloons, since the other farmers watched live already.
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2737 Posts
April 22 2025 13:22 GMT
#147
See ggsimida, this is exactly what I said earlier about Mini. He prepares builds for series, he takes risks, he gambles. Once everything lines up for him, like 1st game vs Hero (it was a no scout build vs Zerg), it looks amazing. When a few things go into disarray, it looks pretty embarassing.

In an alternate timeline, Hero goes pool first or a scourge/burrow build that shut downs Mini's reaver play in the first game, while Rush scouts horizontal and Mini gets away with a 12 Nexus 1 Gate build and just cruises through.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4993 Posts
April 22 2025 13:24 GMT
#148
Group Draw!
FBH #1!
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7890 Posts
April 22 2025 13:24 GMT
#149
3 Protoss, 3 Zerg and 2 Terrans.

I want to hear again that this game is not balanced. I feel terrans kind of need a champion though. Light right now doesn’t quite cut it. Maybe Speed or Flash can make it through in the next cycle.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4993 Posts
April 22 2025 13:25 GMT
#150
All praise the lord, no ZvZs in Ro8 <3
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4993 Posts
April 22 2025 13:28 GMT
#151
Week1:
Queen vs Best
JD vs Light

Week 2:
Snow vs Rain
Soulkey vs Rush
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
April 22 2025 13:28 GMT
#152
On April 22 2025 22:18 gravity wrote:
Who are the faves for the rest of the tournament? Soulkey, Snow, Queen maybe?

SK has to be a long way ahead. Queen and Rush are prob his biggest threats left. Not sure any of the others can beat him in a bo5/7.

He owns Snow, looked a step above Light in the ro16. Best isn’t up to his level in PvZ, nor is rain. JD looked good in ro16 but iffy if he can take SK in multiple games.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
April 22 2025 13:31 GMT
#153
On April 22 2025 22:28 Peeano wrote:
Week1:
Queen vs Best
JD vs Light

Week 2:
Snow vs Rain
Soulkey vs Rush

Week 2 is brutal. I know JD has been good lately but Light prob very happy with his bracket.

SK v Rush will be epic.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands895 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-22 13:33:55
April 22 2025 13:33 GMT
#154
On April 22 2025 22:28 Peeano wrote:
Week1:
Queen vs Best
JD vs Light

Week 2:
Snow vs Rain
Soulkey vs Rush

Looks like a Light vs Soulkey or Light vs SnOw finals to me.
JDON MY SOUL!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4993 Posts
April 22 2025 13:35 GMT
#155
Added Ro8 to the calendar (without player match ups yet, even though there is anti-spoiler TL).
Do you all know about anti-spoiler TL? Where to find the button? That it removes match ups from the calendar?
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2737 Posts
April 22 2025 13:41 GMT
#156
Snow likely meeting Soulkey in the semifinals for the third times in a row.

It feels like every time he goes deep in ASL he faces the best player in the respective matchup at the time. Rain during his prime PvP era. Flash. Soulkey x3 during his 3(4?) peat.
prion_
Profile Joined September 2022
71 Posts
April 22 2025 13:47 GMT
#157
Easiest bracket possible for SK, IMO. He has a good record against Rush, though of course Rush's TvZ is always a bit scary, and he's the only player with a positive eloboard record against Snow (let alone the lopsided ASL score). Rain just isn't in good enough form to win against him even if he manages to win a PvP against Snow. And he avoids the volatility of ZvZ until the finals.
kaspa84
Profile Joined July 2016
Brazil169 Posts
April 22 2025 13:57 GMT
#158
A player with the builds and coragem of Mini, the macro of BeSt and micro of Snow would be an easy Bonjwa i guess. But Mini too emotional, I feel bad for him.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
April 22 2025 13:58 GMT
#159
Rain is the PvP goat. I wouldn’t be pencilling in Snow for the semis with any confidence -_-
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
kaspa84
Profile Joined July 2016
Brazil169 Posts
April 22 2025 13:59 GMT
#160
On April 22 2025 22:17 RowdierBob wrote:
The brackets for the ro8 will be interesting af.

Top seeds: Snow, SK, JD, Queen
2 seeds: Light, Rush, Best, Rain

Lots of PvZ in ro8 it seems.


For what I have seen all 4 top seeds looked absolutely beast Mode. I would say JD and Soulkey are the top 2 favorites followed closely by Snow and then Queen.
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey731 Posts
April 22 2025 14:00 GMT
#161
zvz Queen vs SK final is coming
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1044 Posts
April 22 2025 14:04 GMT
#162
ZerO vs Light
Rain vs Soulkey
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2737 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-22 14:33:05
April 22 2025 14:32 GMT
#163
On April 22 2025 22:58 RowdierBob wrote:
Rain is the PvP goat. I wouldn’t be pencilling in Snow for the semis with any confidence -_-

He was the PvP goat like... 8 years ago. His PvP has been pretty meh since coming back, like Best/Bisu level. Not that he has played much PvP to estimate his level though.

Thinking Rain is still that good at PvP these days is like thinking JD's ZvZ is still JvZ.
Toshinou-Kyouko
Profile Joined November 2024
Philippines153 Posts
April 22 2025 15:22 GMT
#164
I'm rooting for JD all the way.

idc if it ends up ZvZ with soulkey on the other side, give JD an ASL.
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Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands895 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-22 15:52:27
April 22 2025 15:52 GMT
#165
On April 22 2025 22:41 TMNT wrote:
Snow likely meeting Soulkey in the semifinals for the third times in a row.

It feels like every time he goes deep in ASL he faces the best player in the respective matchup at the time. Rain during his prime PvP era. Flash. Soulkey x3 during his 3(4?) peat.

snow seems to largely lose vs the eventual champion, while putting out the best games of the tourney. Yet people only look at placing, not at who they faced on their path.
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Incomplete..ReV
Profile Joined August 2017
Norway633 Posts
April 22 2025 15:57 GMT
#166
On April 22 2025 22:35 Peeano wrote:
Added Ro8 to the calendar (without player match ups yet, even though there is anti-spoiler TL).
Do you all know about anti-spoiler TL? Where to find the button? That it removes match ups from the calendar?


I was unaware of that, thanks!
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2737 Posts
April 22 2025 16:20 GMT
#167
On April 23 2025 00:52 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2025 22:41 TMNT wrote:
Snow likely meeting Soulkey in the semifinals for the third times in a row.

It feels like every time he goes deep in ASL he faces the best player in the respective matchup at the time. Rain during his prime PvP era. Flash. Soulkey x3 during his 3(4?) peat.

snow seems to largely lose vs the eventual champion, while putting out the best games of the tourney. Yet people only look at placing, not at who they faced on their path.

Well, doesn't help that he lost to ggaemo and Killer in Ro24. It leaves a bad impression on everyone of Snow the choker.

After peaking in season 8 he got eliminated 6 times by Zergs (Larva, Soma, Hero, Queen, ggaemo, and Hero again). Obviously as his PvZ during this time was pretty weak. Around season 15 he upped his PvZ but got knocked out by Soulkey 3 times (15.17,18). Season 16 was the shock loses to Killer and Royal (who at the time had like 20% win rate vs Snow).

He's likely to get Soulkey again this time and if he doesn't do it now, it'd even be harder with Flash and Soma coming back next season.
mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
April 22 2025 17:00 GMT
#168
Still waiting for a PvZ that isn’t a hydra bust. Least Hero is gone, notoriously only does it, constantly cancels lair tech when scouted.

Best will get hydra busted to death, and Snow/Rains only hope is Rush beating SK

Tragic Mini couldn’t recover after that awesome planned build vs Hero
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rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5588 Posts
April 22 2025 17:17 GMT
#169
Perfect balance once again
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TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1044 Posts
April 22 2025 17:26 GMT
#170
On April 22 2025 23:32 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2025 22:58 RowdierBob wrote:
Rain is the PvP goat. I wouldn’t be pencilling in Snow for the semis with any confidence -_-

He was the PvP goat like... 8 years ago. His PvP has been pretty meh since coming back, like Best/Bisu level. Not that he has played much PvP to estimate his level though.

Thinking Rain is still that good at PvP these days is like thinking JD's ZvZ is still JvZ.


But his army movement man... It's second to none, SnOw included. That's the reason his PvsP is so strong. And thats the reason he will walk over SnOw in the RO8 (hopefully :D)
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands895 Posts
April 22 2025 17:38 GMT
#171
On April 23 2025 01:20 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2025 00:52 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
On April 22 2025 22:41 TMNT wrote:
Snow likely meeting Soulkey in the semifinals for the third times in a row.

It feels like every time he goes deep in ASL he faces the best player in the respective matchup at the time. Rain during his prime PvP era. Flash. Soulkey x3 during his 3(4?) peat.

snow seems to largely lose vs the eventual champion, while putting out the best games of the tourney. Yet people only look at placing, not at who they faced on their path.

Well, doesn't help that he lost to ggaemo and Killer in Ro24. It leaves a bad impression on everyone of Snow the choker.

After peaking in season 8 he got eliminated 6 times by Zergs (Larva, Soma, Hero, Queen, ggaemo, and Hero again). Obviously as his PvZ during this time was pretty weak. Around season 15 he upped his PvZ but got knocked out by Soulkey 3 times (15.17,18). Season 16 was the shock loses to Killer and Royal (who at the time had like 20% win rate vs Snow).

He's likely to get Soulkey again this time and if he doesn't do it now, it'd even be harder with Flash and Soma coming back next season.

Yeah ggaemo and killer did him dirty haha. Snow does have the habit of being too overconfident with "weaker opponents". RoyaL actually does well vs snow when the stakes are high. iirc royal beat snow for PSL and a starcast tournament.
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2737 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-22 18:47:18
April 22 2025 18:46 GMT
#172
Not related and spoiler for today's proleague, but Flash crushed both JD and Soulkey today by the Goliath build that it almost looks imba. Don't think I have seen him lose to Zerg with this build. Maybe Rush should take note.
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands895 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-22 18:56:12
April 22 2025 18:53 GMT
#173
On April 23 2025 03:46 TMNT wrote:
Not related and spoiler for today's proleague, but Flash crushed both JD and Soulkey today by the Goliath build that it almost looks imba. Don't think I have seen him lose to Zerg with this build. Maybe Rush should take note.

He's lost to Queen with it. Surprisingly Queen's pretty good against it. Flash TvZ looks about as strong as it used to. But his TvP seems to be lagging behind.

Edit: jaedong 2-1 flash before ASL today.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51459 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-23 06:34:18
April 22 2025 19:06 GMT
#174
i have a feeling players are going to soft ban death valley into a game 7 map for the ro8 on wards just to avoid it which is a shame
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Kreuger
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden737 Posts
April 22 2025 19:21 GMT
#175
When will the playoffbracket be updated?
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2737 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-22 22:21:52
April 22 2025 22:21 GMT
#176
On April 23 2025 03:53 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2025 03:46 TMNT wrote:
Not related and spoiler for today's proleague, but Flash crushed both JD and Soulkey today by the Goliath build that it almost looks imba. Don't think I have seen him lose to Zerg with this build. Maybe Rush should take note.

He's lost to Queen with it. Surprisingly Queen's pretty good against it. Flash TvZ looks about as strong as it used to. But his TvP seems to be lagging behind.

Edit: jaedong 2-1 flash before ASL today.

Which game was it that Flash lost to Queen with that build? I only found this one where he opened 2 Factory Goliath but then switched to 3 Rax MM after.

Otherwise, I traced Flash's TvZ (broadcasted) last month and there was only one time he lost to Zerg (Hero) with that build, but in that game he made a crucial mistake (Goliaths move out, Mutas move in, Gols keep moving, but then return after almost reaching an undefended Zerg natural).

Most of the times with that build you see Flash building up Goliaths for 10+ minutes, before mixing in a few Tanks/Vessels and delivering the killing blow to Zerg.
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Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands895 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-23 00:38:57
April 23 2025 00:21 GMT
#177
On April 23 2025 07:21 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2025 03:53 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
On April 23 2025 03:46 TMNT wrote:
Not related and spoiler for today's proleague, but Flash crushed both JD and Soulkey today by the Goliath build that it almost looks imba. Don't think I have seen him lose to Zerg with this build. Maybe Rush should take note.

He's lost to Queen with it. Surprisingly Queen's pretty good against it. Flash TvZ looks about as strong as it used to. But his TvP seems to be lagging behind.

Edit: jaedong 2-1 flash before ASL today.

Which game was it that Flash lost to Queen with that build? I only found this one where he opened 2 Factory Goliath but then switched to 3 Rax MM after.

Otherwise, I traced Flash's TvZ (broadcasted) last month and there was only one time he lost to Zerg (Hero) with that build, but in that game he made a crucial mistake (Goliaths move out, Mutas move in, Gols keep moving, but then return after almost reaching an undefended Zerg natural).

Most of the times with that build you see Flash building up Goliaths for 10+ minutes, before mixing in a few Tanks/Vessels and delivering the killing blow to Zerg.

back in January is one I recall haha. not recent enough tbh.
Didn't herO beat it on the 17th of april? <-- correction was vs standard sk terran
And Queen on the 2nd of april? <-- fast vessel sk terran
JDON MY SOUL!
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States343 Posts
April 23 2025 00:55 GMT
#178
Rip my LB
weiliem
Profile Joined January 2008
2071 Posts
April 23 2025 05:06 GMT
#179
Based on how the seeding and grouping works, as long as SK gets 1st place and Snow loses to him in semifinals every ASL, they'll always be in same side of the bracket forever?
Oppa feeding style
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4197 Posts
April 23 2025 05:30 GMT
#180
Gotta be the most balanced (race-wise) ASL to date, right? 7P 9T 8Z in ro24, 5P 6T 5Z in ro16 and 3P 2T 3Z in ro8.

Quite remarkable.
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4197 Posts
April 23 2025 05:31 GMT
#181
I feel like Soulkey's gonna win another one, btw.. Skill but also luck are definitely on his side.
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Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2007 Posts
April 23 2025 06:03 GMT
#182
On April 23 2025 04:06 GTR wrote:
i have a feeling though players are going to soft ban death valley into a game 7 map for the ro8 on wards just to avoid it which is a shame

I hope you're wrong, but you're probably right.

That said, maybe someone can find a cool build to gamble with and put it early.
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RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
2880 Posts
April 23 2025 23:21 GMT
#183
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Mini :'(
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Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1952 Posts
April 23 2025 23:42 GMT
#184
On April 24 2025 08:21 RogerChillingworth wrote:
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Mini :'(

His scarab upgraded balls were not enough :'(
Artas1984
Profile Joined August 2018
Lithuania119 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-24 18:51:08
April 24 2025 18:24 GMT
#185
I was about to bring out my Mini shit bucket, but after his PvZ masterclass i will withhold that. Even thogh he lost to Rush, he did not play bad, he just played too wild and too risky - that is always good for the viewer! Better to die doing some crazy shit, that dying due to lack of bad skill/preparation.


On April 22 2025 22:24 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I feel terrans kind of need a champion though.


THE LAST THING we need is a another balounee Terran champion! I will give the exception to Rush, because he truly deserves it even more than chumps JYJ/Royal.

On April 22 2025 19:58 Zergxhx wrote:
Now it's time to prove who has the better Reaver micro. I'm betting on Snow.


Snow has proven this a long time ago. In my prediction he is the best protoss player in ASL now, Rain second, Mini third. Forget ASL5 - Snow has improved so much since then it is now even funny. Rain, on the other hand, is not exactly in the peak form as he was back then in 2018.

On April 22 2025 22:58 RowdierBob wrote:
Rain is the PvP goat. I wouldn’t be pencilling in Snow for the semis with any confidence -_-


Yes he is the GOAT, just like JD is the zerg GOAT. But what about NOW? What about THESE DAYS? Anybody thinks Rain can out-micro Snow in shuttle/reaver control? Wake up from your stupor! Snow is favored 55/45.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11048 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-24 22:15:01
April 24 2025 19:51 GMT
#186
Mini and snow with some insane games. Disappointing we got mini vol but that game vs hero was insane. Wish we could see more of him instead of rain. Feel like minis pvz should be recognized as ‘better’ than Bisu or Rain today.

Give me a pvt and zvt next round from this group.
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ruhtraeel
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada119 Posts
April 25 2025 19:16 GMT
#187
Hero's ZvT is overrated imo, like Rain's PvT

People talk about him being god tier like Soulkey, but he's only barely reached a positive win rate against T in the last season or so

IMO his ZvT is the worst out of the top 4 active Zergs, worse than Queen, Soulkey, Action
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8509 Posts
April 25 2025 23:49 GMT
#188
On April 26 2025 04:16 ruhtraeel wrote:
Hero's ZvT is overrated imo, like Rain's PvT


When did Hero's ZvT started to be considered good? His ZvT has always been his weak point. He just always crashed people with macro if he didn't get hurt. As soon as it became technical, he often crumbled.
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands895 Posts
April 26 2025 01:39 GMT
#189
On April 26 2025 04:16 ruhtraeel wrote:
Hero's ZvT is overrated imo, like Rain's PvT

People talk about him being god tier like Soulkey, but he's only barely reached a positive win rate against T in the last season or so

IMO his ZvT is the worst out of the top 4 active Zergs, worse than Queen, Soulkey, Action

He's better than Action at ZvT.
HerO's only down on Light, Rush, Royal and Flash in Tvz. Equal on JyJ.
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On April 26 2025 04:27 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2025 21:32 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
On April 25 2025 18:21 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:
JD 4:1 Snow

?

we need ro8 power list!


Soulkey
Snow
Light
Queen
Jaedong
Rush
Best
Rain


In the duel series


That duel series was played back in December or before. It still had Pantheon, Kickback, Minstrel and Monty Hall in the map pool. Not quite relevant for the present.
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haegN
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway533 Posts
April 26 2025 08:33 GMT
#190

Yes he is the GOAT, just like JD is the zerg GOAT. But what about NOW? What about THESE DAYS? Anybody thinks Rain can out-micro Snow in shuttle/reaver control? Wake up from your stupor! Snow is favored 55/45.


I don't think anyone can call this match in advance, it's such up to Snow handling his nerves and how much Rain can raise his PvP level.
Snow should get a mental coach or something, don't know if those exist in Korea.
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands895 Posts
April 26 2025 09:50 GMT
#191
On April 26 2025 17:33 haegN wrote:
Show nested quote +

Yes he is the GOAT, just like JD is the zerg GOAT. But what about NOW? What about THESE DAYS? Anybody thinks Rain can out-micro Snow in shuttle/reaver control? Wake up from your stupor! Snow is favored 55/45.


I don't think anyone can call this match in advance, it's such up to Snow handling his nerves and how much Rain can raise his PvP level.
Snow should get a mental coach or something, don't know if those exist in Korea.

SnOW wins this. No doubt about it.
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8057 Posts
April 26 2025 13:57 GMT
#192
On April 26 2025 18:50 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2025 17:33 haegN wrote:

Yes he is the GOAT, just like JD is the zerg GOAT. But what about NOW? What about THESE DAYS? Anybody thinks Rain can out-micro Snow in shuttle/reaver control? Wake up from your stupor! Snow is favored 55/45.


I don't think anyone can call this match in advance, it's such up to Snow handling his nerves and how much Rain can raise his PvP level.
Snow should get a mental coach or something, don't know if those exist in Korea.

SnOW wins this. No doubt about it.

I went with Rain for LB. He has (or had) very good pvp !
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8509 Posts
April 26 2025 14:18 GMT
#193
On April 26 2025 22:57 prosatan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2025 18:50 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
On April 26 2025 17:33 haegN wrote:

Yes he is the GOAT, just like JD is the zerg GOAT. But what about NOW? What about THESE DAYS? Anybody thinks Rain can out-micro Snow in shuttle/reaver control? Wake up from your stupor! Snow is favored 55/45.


I don't think anyone can call this match in advance, it's such up to Snow handling his nerves and how much Rain can raise his PvP level.
Snow should get a mental coach or something, don't know if those exist in Korea.

SnOW wins this. No doubt about it.

I went with Rain for LB. He has (or had) very good pvp !


Yeah same. I feel like Snow is in better shape but Rain has historically been extremely good at navigating the match up (much in the same way as Jaedong in ZvZ) and can do a lot with little practice. You can also never know if Snow's nerves hold up. His Ro16 matches looked strong but in the interview he still admitted he was shaking. This is why I went with Rain for LB, even though I think Snow is stronger atm.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2737 Posts
April 26 2025 14:38 GMT
#194
I hope Snow 4-0 Rain so that people can have a wake up call that this is not 2018 anymore.

Bur realistically it's PvP so Rain can take 1 or 2 games.
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands895 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-27 10:56:41
April 27 2025 10:55 GMT
#195
On April 26 2025 23:38 TMNT wrote:
I hope Snow 4-0 Rain so that people can have a wake up call that this is not 2018 anymore.

Bur realistically it's PvP so Rain can take 1 or 2 games.

SnOw has had the best pvp by miles for a few years now. I will die on this hill. SnOw vs soulkey semis! Will soulkey eliminate snow again??? Soulkey has been stealing snows championships for years now.
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Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2007 Posts
April 27 2025 11:05 GMT
#196
Maybe the BW Gods can be kind to Protoss for once and Rush knocks out Soulkey...
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HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey731 Posts
April 27 2025 12:24 GMT
#197
It isn't fall. Maybe next time.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5563 Posts
April 27 2025 12:25 GMT
#198
On April 27 2025 21:24 HOLYBATS wrote:
It isn't fall. Maybe next time.

;-)
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44127 Posts
April 27 2025 18:22 GMT
#199
Ngl I really expected Mini or Hero to make it out 2nd in this group. Rush kinda just went ahead and smoked them.

That final game vs mini was such a strong push vs nexus first
this is a quote
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44127 Posts
April 27 2025 18:23 GMT
#200
On April 27 2025 19:55 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2025 23:38 TMNT wrote:
I hope Snow 4-0 Rain so that people can have a wake up call that this is not 2018 anymore.

Bur realistically it's PvP so Rain can take 1 or 2 games.

SnOw has had the best pvp by miles for a few years now. I will die on this hill. SnOw vs soulkey semis! Will soulkey eliminate snow again??? Soulkey has been stealing snows championships for years now.

Snow has a real chance to take out Soulkey if they meet.

This aint SK ZvT which honestly looks unstoppable nowadays
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