you say different species... but serral has been clapping those same players for 7 years. since 2018 he hasnt missed a beat. and yes, that includes players who trained under kespa in sc1 and sc2. including ty, zest, stats, dark you name it.

I thought you were joking about how low tier that game was, uh no you're really discounting how hard it is to just play BW at that level physically, it takes just as much muscle memory and commitment as it does to play on a strategic level.

your context is that they beat those kespa pros in SC2. SC2 is not BW, you're comparing apples to oranges.

you're talking about learning through no MBS, no Automine, no smartcasting, 12 unit selection. I'll give Serral and Clem this, they could keep up on a strategic level and figure out what to do and what they're opponent is doing but probably not be able to keep up.

because in BW better macro will beat good strats everytime.

TMNT

3093 Posts

March 24 2025 11:50 GMT

#83

On March 24 2025 20:31 CicadaSC wrote:
you say different species... but serral has been clapping those same players for 7 years. since 2018 he hasnt missed a beat. and yes, that includes players who trained under kespa in sc1 and sc2. including ty, zest, stats, dark you name it.

On March 24 2025 20:34 ggsimida wrote:
i follow sc2, those 2 are on another level even compared to the current best sc2 koreans like maru and herO. i think they can genuinely match and beat low tier bw pros with some coaching and time investment, clem for sure gonna beat clam lol. of course matching against top tiers like mini and sk will be more questionable even with massive time investment

Yep. But here lies the problem: we're talking about different games and different players. There were possibly thousands trained under Kespa but not everyone can last in BW until today.

Those SC2 players you named weren't great BW players and aren't / wouldn't be great BW players. TY is like what? Get into ASL once. MC hasn't qualified. Serral and Clem clapping them in SC2 doesn't mean they can do the same in SC1, let alone doing it against better players than them in SC1.

And don't forget about the age difference which makes it unfair comparison for ASL players. We're talking about Serral and Clem playing their uncles. Transfer them today to 2008 Korean, there's nothing guaranteeing they could make the roster of a pro team.

BLinD-RawR

ALLEYCAT BLUES50593 Posts

March 24 2025 11:57 GMT

#84

that being said I really also think it would be cool if they tried because I think they're capable of getting really good if they commit to it.

Duckvillelol

Australia1253 Posts

March 24 2025 11:58 GMT

#85

Shuttle's micro on display today

TMNT

3093 Posts

March 24 2025 12:00 GMT

#86

The pros commentating this game probably are saying the game is 90/10 from now.

ggsimida

1148 Posts

March 24 2025 12:01 GMT

#87

On March 24 2025 20:50 TMNT wrote:

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i was very impressed not just by their mechanics but also but their attitude, ingame decision making and adaptability, traits a lot of the old bw uncs do not have. if u actually follow them i would not be surprised if they could at least qualify for asl with significant amount of training and coaching. i remember scarlett (a lower tier sc2 foreigner) played in an asl qualifier and did ok (took some sets) even though she was not fully committed and did not obv qualify.

if u still advocate for the likes of sea and clam to beat them then u are just a negative boomer like them

ggsimida

1148 Posts

March 24 2025 12:04 GMT

#88

On March 24 2025 20:46 BLinD-RawR wrote:

you're talking about learning through no MBS, no Automine, no smartcasting, 12 unit selection. I'll give Serral and Clem this, they could keep up on a strategic level and figure out what to do and what they're opponent is doing but probably not be able to keep up.

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watch them play their keyboards. they can totally keep up.

Duckvillelol

Australia1253 Posts

March 24 2025 12:09 GMT

#89

Someone bust out the "that is many tank, yes" pic pls