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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5147 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-24 11:42:29
March 24 2025 11:40 GMT
#81
That was so bad, that it was good.
FBH #1!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50435 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-24 11:53:44
March 24 2025 11:46 GMT
#82
On March 24 2025 20:31 CicadaSC wrote:
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On March 24 2025 20:29 TMNT wrote:
On March 24 2025 20:05 CicadaSC wrote:
i really think if clem or serral switched to broodwar in a year or less theyd be putting these guys to shame.

No way.

Korean progamers trained under the Kespa regime for the hardest RTS game ever are a different species to anything you're seeing today. Let's not forget all these guys are in their mid fucking 30s and nobody else on the planet can touch their level. Shuttle can literally be Clem's uncle.

Clem or Serral In a year? Are you serious? These guys trained in team house for years then played for another 15 years or so.


you say different species... but serral has been clapping those same players for 7 years. since 2018 he hasnt missed a beat. and yes, that includes players who trained under kespa in sc1 and sc2. including ty, zest, stats, dark you name it.


I thought you were joking about how low tier that game was, uh no you're really discounting how hard it is to just play BW at that level physically, it takes just as much muscle memory and commitment as it does to play on a strategic level.

your context is that they beat those kespa pros in SC2. SC2 is not BW, you're comparing apples to oranges.

you're talking about learning through no MBS, no Automine, no smartcasting, 12 unit selection. I'll give Serral and Clem this, they could keep up on a strategic level and figure out what to do and what they're opponent is doing but probably not be able to keep up.

because in BW better macro will beat good strats everytime.
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2861 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-24 11:54:45
March 24 2025 11:50 GMT
#83
On March 24 2025 20:31 CicadaSC wrote:
you say different species... but serral has been clapping those same players for 7 years. since 2018 he hasnt missed a beat. and yes, that includes players who trained under kespa in sc1 and sc2. including ty, zest, stats, dark you name it.

On March 24 2025 20:34 ggsimida wrote:
i follow sc2, those 2 are on another level even compared to the current best sc2 koreans like maru and herO. i think they can genuinely match and beat low tier bw pros with some coaching and time investment, clem for sure gonna beat clam lol. of course matching against top tiers like mini and sk will be more questionable even with massive time investment

Yep. But here lies the problem: we're talking about different games and different players. There were possibly thousands trained under Kespa but not everyone can last in BW until today.

Those SC2 players you named weren't great BW players and aren't / wouldn't be great BW players. TY is like what? Get into ASL once. MC hasn't qualified. Serral and Clem clapping them in SC2 doesn't mean they can do the same in SC1, let alone doing it against better players than them in SC1.

And don't forget about the age difference which makes it unfair comparison for ASL players. We're talking about Serral and Clem playing their uncles. Transfer them today to 2008 Korean, there's nothing guaranteeing they could make the roster of a pro team.

BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50435 Posts
March 24 2025 11:57 GMT
#84
that being said I really also think it would be cool if they tried because I think they're capable of getting really good if they commit to it.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Duckvillelol
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia1244 Posts
March 24 2025 11:58 GMT
#85
Shuttle's micro on display today
Former SC2 commentator. youtube.com/duckvillelol
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2861 Posts
March 24 2025 12:00 GMT
#86
The pros commentating this game probably are saying the game is 90/10 from now.
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-24 12:03:19
March 24 2025 12:01 GMT
#87
On March 24 2025 20:50 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2025 20:31 CicadaSC wrote:
you say different species... but serral has been clapping those same players for 7 years. since 2018 he hasnt missed a beat. and yes, that includes players who trained under kespa in sc1 and sc2. including ty, zest, stats, dark you name it.

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On March 24 2025 20:34 ggsimida wrote:
i follow sc2, those 2 are on another level even compared to the current best sc2 koreans like maru and herO. i think they can genuinely match and beat low tier bw pros with some coaching and time investment, clem for sure gonna beat clam lol. of course matching against top tiers like mini and sk will be more questionable even with massive time investment

Yep. But here lies the problem: we're talking about different games and different players. There were possibly thousands trained under Kespa but not everyone can last in BW until today.

Those SC2 players you named weren't great BW players and aren't / wouldn't be great BW players. TY is like what? Get into ASL once. MC hasn't qualified. Serral and Clem clapping them in SC2 doesn't mean they can do the same in SC1, let alone doing it against better players than them in SC1.

And don't forget about the age difference which makes it unfair comparison for ASL players. We're talking about Serral and Clem playing their uncles. Transfer them today to 2008 Korean, there's nothing guaranteeing they could make the roster of a pro team.



i was very impressed not just by their mechanics but also but their attitude, ingame decision making and adaptability, traits a lot of the old bw uncs do not have. if u actually follow them i would not be surprised if they could at least qualify for asl with significant amount of training and coaching. i remember scarlett (a lower tier sc2 foreigner) played in an asl qualifier and did ok (took some sets) even though she was not fully committed and did not obv qualify.

if u still advocate for the likes of sea and clam to beat them then u are just a negative boomer like them

ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
March 24 2025 12:04 GMT
#88
On March 24 2025 20:46 BLinD-RawR wrote:


you're talking about learning through no MBS, no Automine, no smartcasting, 12 unit selection. I'll give Serral and Clem this, they could keep up on a strategic level and figure out what to do and what they're opponent is doing but probably not be able to keep up.

.


watch them play their keyboards. they can totally keep up.
Duckvillelol
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia1244 Posts
March 24 2025 12:09 GMT
#89
Someone bust out the "that is many tank, yes" pic pls
Former SC2 commentator. youtube.com/duckvillelol
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50435 Posts
March 24 2025 12:10 GMT
#90
Debak mine!
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8306 Posts
March 24 2025 12:14 GMT
#91
On March 24 2025 21:09 Duckvillelol wrote:
Someone bust out the "that is many tank, yes" pic pls

i have that pic and tried to upload...

but it says: upload to imgur failed
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8306 Posts
March 24 2025 12:15 GMT
#92
first win ever for scan!

Congrats!!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Duckvillelol
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia1244 Posts
March 24 2025 12:15 GMT
#93
On March 24 2025 21:14 prosatan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2025 21:09 Duckvillelol wrote:
Someone bust out the "that is many tank, yes" pic pls

i have that pic and tried to upload...

but it says: upload to imgur failed


Thanks for trying though!

Well done Scan, Shuttle looked good but seemed to get stuck in mid-game both matches.
Former SC2 commentator. youtube.com/duckvillelol
JohnnyBlaze420
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia814 Posts
March 24 2025 12:15 GMT
#94
lets go scan
.lets get weird
iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1628 Posts
March 24 2025 12:15 GMT
#95
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/636711-why-online-results-dont-matter-in-esports
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/636711-why-online-results-dont-matter-in-esports
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/636711-why-online-results-dont-matter-in-esports
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8306 Posts
March 24 2025 12:16 GMT
#96
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/55783-this-is-many-tank-yesjpg?page=3
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50435 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-24 12:17:16
March 24 2025 12:16 GMT
#97
I think this is the first time a TLer beat a pro in a televised game

Sea and Violet don't count.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50435 Posts
March 24 2025 12:16 GMT
#98
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(Vote): If you have time

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2861 Posts
March 24 2025 12:17 GMT
#99
That''s your typical Shuttle's PvT throw. He is somehow like Bisu, better at PvZ than PvT.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8306 Posts
March 24 2025 12:20 GMT
#100
this music is unbearable... my god
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
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