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BLinD-RawR
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PVJ
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Stork is in a great shape! Divisive map pools! New tourney name and looks, and who knows what else has changed..? Terrible format changes! Soulkey might three-peat! New faces like Wico, Motive who could deliver on stage and upset some old-timers. This group already is going to be entertaining for me to watch. First of all: The new maps. Tilted? Imba? How do these mechanics actually work in a pro-match (Minstrel, Deja vu)? Zero: After taking an easy win in the qualies, I think he is the likeliest to get out of the group. Wico-1127-Noel: Having occasionally new faces is one thing but having a new Soma-type of good gamer would be thousan times more interesting. I'm not seriously shouting "royal road" here but the qualification VOD's I saw had Noel have a strong macro game and good decision making vs the zerg and then Leta as well Rain: I love seeing how Rain plays a game from strategy to execution but in case he falls out here again having either BarrackS or Wico would be fair. BarrackS: Enthuastic pusher, and some days I wonder why do I not remember him playing KCM that much but actually he is in the pool regularly and goes 0-1 or 1-1 mostly. That's how I recall the past few KCM seasons at least. The question of the group is, can Rain step into the same deadly river two times back-to-back (ie. losing to Barracks)? I don't think so but I do believe Wico could upset him in a deciders match. | ||
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HOLYBATS
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Simplistik
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I hope all that LoL practice will pay off this time. | ||
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prosatan
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RowdierBob
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Noel looked pretty strong in the qualifiers vs Zergs. He could upset Queen… | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
https://www.sooplive.com/sctvenglish or this domain: https://play.afreecatv.com/dth03119/null will display the actual livestream. My head says sooplive my heart goes with the good old afree stream-layout | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1216 Posts
Queen is looking pretty shaky vs other top pros on the current map pool. Not due to mechanics or macro ability, but due to the maps simply not being that good for zergs not named Soulkey. Feels like zergs have yet to find their meta for these maps whereas terran and protoss have already found theirs. Rain has practiced quite a fair bit to get into shape this time around but his shape does not look up to par with his contemporaries. Feels like he is behind on the meta from the games I saw from him past month or so. Barracks is actually well in pro vs pro compared to the above mentioned. does not look shaky and the maps seem to work well for him(and terran in general.) | ||
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prosatan
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Simplistik
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On August 26 2024 18:48 RowdierBob wrote: Gotta be Zero and Rain. Barracks maybe if he didn’t draw Rain first up but his TvP isn’t good enough. Noel looked pretty strong in the qualifiers vs Zergs. He could upset Queen… Barracks helped to knock out Rain last season... | ||
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Simplistik
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Zergxhx
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Simplistik
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prosatan
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BLinD-RawR
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TMNT
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Simplistik
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The drop did a lot of damage, but the turret repair and valkyrie micro weren't quite good enough. GG! | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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PVJ
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The preparation and tactic of Wico has been great and I think he can go through in second place for sure. | ||
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PVJ
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PVJ
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And the protoss early game setup includes a successful gas stealing so it's advantage toss | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
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BLinD-RawR
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Simplistik
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PVJ
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CicadaSC
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1216 Posts
On August 26 2024 19:50 Simplistik wrote: Rain looking clunky. Not enough practice. rain played a lot this month but showed the exact same issues he showed vs rax. he looks not in tune with the meta that best mini snow stork bisu are playing. looks stubborn. | ||
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Simplistik
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On August 26 2024 19:53 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: rain played a lot this month but showed the exact same issues he showed vs rax. he looks not in tune with the meta that best mini snow stork bisu are playing. looks stubborn. The decision-making and goon control just seem off. That dive on the bunker wasn't well controlled. Cost him two zealots, a goon and a lot of damage. Then he didn't have his goons in place to deny the vultures out and let Barracks get across the first two ridges for free. It was mistake after mistake. | ||
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PVJ
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
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On August 26 2024 19:56 Simplistik wrote: The decision-making and goon control just seem off. That dive on the bunker wasn't well controlled. Cost him two zealots, a goon and a lot of damage. Then he didn't have his goons in place to deny the vultures out and let Barracks get across the first two ridges for free. It was mistake after mistake. Been seeing toss avoid any form of aggression and just get fast 3rd and wait for T to make a move to counter it. | ||
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TMNT
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On August 26 2024 19:53 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: rain played a lot this month but showed the exact same issues he showed vs rax. he looks not in tune with the meta that best mini snow stork bisu are playing. looks stubborn. So what was he supposed to do? I thought his BO was actually up to date with the meta. Its almost guaranteed that Terran would 5 Fac these days and he went with 2 Base Arbiter which is supposed to stop it. He didn't take a 3rd whole game which shows how committed he was to stop the 5 Fac. But then his army got smashed lol. Tbh that game confuses me so much. Or maybe Barracks cut a lot of things to accelerate the push? Rain should have much more than that. | ||
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prosatan
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queen is catching up in supply | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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KT's old babyface assassin finally showing it. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
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prosatan
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On August 26 2024 20:11 prosatan wrote: this looks bad for rax. queen is catching up in supply ..... bad take | ||
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RowdierBob
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BLinD-RawR
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gg | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
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To be fair I feel like Rax did many bad things in this attack, didn't target defilers, sus control, left tanks unguarded but still won lol | ||
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prosatan
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PVJ
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prosatan
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On August 26 2024 20:15 Necro)Phagist( wrote: To be fair I feel like Rax did many bad things in this attack, didn't target defilers, sus control, left tanks unguarded but still won lol idk what really happened... queen lost control , lurkers where out of the swarm range... meh i hope for rain vs queen in the final game...unless rain lose to wico... | ||
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Simplistik
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
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On August 26 2024 20:15 Necro)Phagist( wrote: To be fair I feel like Rax did many bad things in this attack, didn't target defilers, sus control, left tanks unguarded but still won lol They both fucked up their control big time but queen made the bigger mistske lol. it was a real cluster fuck of mistakes on that push and Barracks just fucked up less badly. beautif though! | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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CicadaSC
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On August 26 2024 20:18 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: They both fucked up their control big time but queen made the bigger mistske lol. it was a real cluster fuck of mistakes on that push and Barracks just fucked up less badly. beautif though! their control was fine. how about trying to understand their reasoning? maybe.. fire on lurkers and not defiler so it wont matter if dark swarm gets up if only 1 or 2 lurkers u can just unsiege and reposition out of range like he did. really it was just a crisp timing from barracks queen didnt fumble either in his control his defiler was just a few seconds late to comfortably defend. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
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Wait wrong game. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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BLinD-RawR
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On August 26 2024 20:34 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Surely Rain wins from here right? Right? depends on his control. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
The terran was betting on the all-in. In these times a second all-in rarely should work | ||
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TMNT
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On August 26 2024 20:39 PVJ wrote: Getting a Rain v Queen as a decider's would be the best outcome of the group. Should be an intense game it could be also a drawn-out late-game duel of two intelligent players Could also be a Hydra bust. | ||
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PVJ
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BLinD-RawR
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PVJ
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Yes :D I 'm trying to entertain a better scenario | ||
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RowdierBob
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I guess he was gonna lose either way though. Way too behind. | ||
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TMNT
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Think there was only Brain who as a first timer in ASL who went on to not even qualify but win his group. But he was not exactly a newcomer in the "SL" franchise so doesn't really count. | ||
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RowdierBob
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
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On August 26 2024 20:44 TMNT wrote: That was another terrible game. Can't blame Wico though. Most newcomers at ASL go out like that. Think there was only Brain who as a first timer in ASL who went on to not even qualify but win his group. But he was not exactly a newcomer in the "SL" franchise so doesn't really count. Yeah Brain already had some some success just after Kespa. He could probably have grown into being a top 5 protoss had he kept playing competitively. | ||
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Simplistik
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prosatan
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On August 26 2024 20:46 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: Yeah Brain already had some some success just after Kespa. He could probably have grown into being a top 5 protoss had he kept playing competitively. But Brain found his true calling in being the best fastest map player  | ||
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PVJ
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TMNT
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On August 26 2024 20:46 Simplistik wrote: Rain knocking out Queen would be good for Snow, right? Clutching at straws here... Nah Queen now is a shadow of his former self as two time ASL champion. Snow's favorite to him in a BO7 for sure. Tbh both Rain and Queen are not gonna go far this season. It's no surprise they both lost to Barracks who has been grinding nonstop. Barracks is the only progamer who has never been affiliated with a SC university. Dude just plays and plays SC. | ||
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RowdierBob
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TMNT
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Unless there's a doom drop from Zerg or 20 kills DT from Protoss. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
I thought he is out, cheered for Aiur but then regardless of the sick first storm on a big clump of lurkers, Queen somehow looks like he is in the game still | ||
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TMNT
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On August 26 2024 21:09 PVJ wrote: The two skirmishes and bigger engagements encircling the protoss were so well done by Zeroqueen. I thought he is out, cheered for Aiur but then regardless of the sick first storm on a big clump of lurkers, Queen somehow looks like he is in the game still You jinxed it bro. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
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Simplistik
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RowdierBob
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Queen looks a bit underdone. He was in really strong mid game spots in both games and then got outplayed. | ||
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Simplistik
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HOLYBATS
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PVJ
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Radeon is a great map! | ||
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Simplistik
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
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M3t4PhYzX
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 Hilarious that ZerO went out already, but it's still better than his last season run where he didn't manage to qualify to ro24 at all xd GGs | ||
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WGT-Baal
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
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On August 26 2024 22:30 M3t4PhYzX wrote: Very happy that Rain managed to survive the bo1 gauntlet and advance to the ro16 Hilarious that ZerO went out already, but it's still better than his last season run where he didn't manage to qualify to ro24 at all xd GGs Rain carrying on the spirit of BCM | ||
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TornadoSteve
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Lazyer
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Too bad for WICO, tho he had an interesting build g1. Queen lmao I hope jinjin translates reactions to queen getting eliminated again. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8684 Posts
Don't forget to vote ! | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3476 Posts
On August 27 2024 05:46 prosatan wrote: LB is up ! Don't forget to vote ! Bless the lords of TL! | ||
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Vasoline73
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Turbovolver
Australia2398 Posts
On August 26 2024 20:07 TMNT wrote: So what was he supposed to do? I thought his BO was actually up to date with the meta. Its almost guaranteed that Terran would 5 Fac these days and he went with 2 Base Arbiter which is supposed to stop it. He didn't take a 3rd whole game which shows how committed he was to stop the 5 Fac. But then his army got smashed lol. Tbh that game confuses me so much. Or maybe Barracks cut a lot of things to accelerate the push? Rain should have much more than that. Maybe Rain shouldn't have made that braindead attack just before 8 minutes that did nothing but injure all his goons and throw away a couple of zealots? Maybe Rain shouldn't have used his whole army to chase around a few vultures, letting the Terran push most of the way across the map in the process? I've always maintained that Rain's PvT is just Not That Good, and maybe he's also kind of out of practise at this point but his showing here in Group A sure seems to support that conclusion. | ||
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TMNT
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On August 29 2024 09:12 Turbovolver wrote: Maybe Rain shouldn't have made that braindead attack just before 8 minutes that did nothing but injure all his goons and throw away a couple of zealots? Maybe Rain shouldn't have used his whole army to chase around a few vultures, letting the Terran push most of the way across the map in the process? I've always maintained that Rain's PvT is just Not That Good, and maybe he's also kind of out of practise at this point but his showing here in Group A sure seems to support that conclusion. Yeah I know but what you're talking about is the execution in certain situations but what I was responding to RJBTV is the general strategy of Rain. He was clearly aware of the 5 Fac meta and responded with a valid counter build. | ||
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Artas1984
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On August 27 2024 04:31 Lazyer wrote: Queen lmao I hope jinjin translates reactions to queen getting eliminated again. So far only Motive has been trolled by his woeful group C gamble (jinjin channel). But if anybody finds a video with translation of Queen getting trash-talked by Calm and the likes, please put it here. | ||
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