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On April 01 2024 21:08 oxKnu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2024 21:03 ggsimida wrote:
honestly best should have switched to another race long ago, he has no sense of utilizing protoss best traits and his macro style would have suited terran better maybe Disagree, Terran at high level requires a lot of precision. The guy routinely loses large chunks of his units to mines that he already scouts, loses coursairs like a D-rank etc.. Best made Sharp look really good today with his non-existing game sense, however Sharp came up well prepared for the maps I thought. Mini would've easily 3-0ed Sharp today though, literally all of the games he skipped something. Protoss players that don't have tunnel vision destroy this type of Terran.
zerg then lol? can press H instead of Z
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On April 01 2024 21:09 ggsimida wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2024 21:08 oxKnu wrote:On April 01 2024 21:03 ggsimida wrote:
honestly best should have switched to another race long ago, he has no sense of utilizing protoss best traits and his macro style would have suited terran better maybe Disagree, Terran at high level requires a lot of precision. The guy routinely loses large chunks of his units to mines that he already scouts, loses coursairs like a D-rank etc.. Best made Sharp look really good today with his non-existing game sense, however Sharp came up well prepared for the maps I thought. Mini would've easily 3-0ed Sharp today though, literally all of the games he skipped something. Protoss players that don't have tunnel vision destroy this type of Terran. zerg then lol? can press H instead of Z
We don't need to guess. There is already a version of Zerg that plays like Best. Hero.
He looks a little bit sneakier because that race has more tools in every match-up but he has the same tunnelvision and lack of game sense.
Both have the same history: Always top8-16 but routinely failing in the later stages of tournaments and their losses always look the same. NO ASL wins too.
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On April 01 2024 21:03 Terrorbladder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2024 20:40 TMNT wrote:On April 01 2024 20:34 PVJ wrote:
Sharp is so lucky with some of these engagements, can't believe it It's not luck. It's Tesagi. When you can have 3CC unpunished at 7 min into the game, all you have to do is not fuck anything up, like siege 10 tanks on mines or something. Other than that, Terran can pretty much A move to victory. Skill issue. Protoss only has to gas steal, rally early zealots to Terran main, make dragoons to force repair on bunker.
Yeah that'd work at E rank where you play bro.
Stop making troll posts.
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On April 01 2024 21:18 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2024 21:03 Terrorbladder wrote:On April 01 2024 20:40 TMNT wrote:On April 01 2024 20:34 PVJ wrote:
Sharp is so lucky with some of these engagements, can't believe it It's not luck. It's Tesagi. When you can have 3CC unpunished at 7 min into the game, all you have to do is not fuck anything up, like siege 10 tanks on mines or something. Other than that, Terran can pretty much A move to victory. Skill issue. Protoss only has to gas steal, rally early zealots to Terran main, make dragoons to force repair on bunker. Stop making troll posts. After you.
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On April 01 2024 21:26 Terrorbladder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2024 21:18 TMNT wrote:On April 01 2024 21:03 Terrorbladder wrote:On April 01 2024 20:40 TMNT wrote:On April 01 2024 20:34 PVJ wrote:
Sharp is so lucky with some of these engagements, can't believe it It's not luck. It's Tesagi. When you can have 3CC unpunished at 7 min into the game, all you have to do is not fuck anything up, like siege 10 tanks on mines or something. Other than that, Terran can pretty much A move to victory. Skill issue. Protoss only has to gas steal, rally early zealots to Terran main, make dragoons to force repair on bunker. Stop making troll posts. After you.
Where?
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so nice that tl.net posters who wouldnt reach b rank on the ladder talk about best not having game sense. absolutely ridiculous. Best has some of the best game sense in the world, he's an ASL ro8 player. Jfc
things are going on in the games that none of you have any clue about as to why players make decisions that they do, you simply cant comprehend it because you have the game knowledge of a d rank, so being less judgemental is probably a good thing.
Sharp played great today.
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On April 01 2024 21:31 Comedy wrote:
so nice that tl.net posters who wouldnt reach b rank on the ladder talk about best not having game sense. absolutely ridiculous. Best has some of the best game sense in the world, he's an ASL ro8 player. Jfc
things are going on in the games that none of you have any clue about as to why players make decisions that they do, you simply cant comprehend it because you have the game knowledge of a d rank, so being less judgemental is probably a good thing.
Sharp played great today.
this is true but judgemental lol.
If Rush beats HerO, I predict Sharp to take down Rush in Semi. Sharp destroyed Rush in all TvTs over the past months.
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On April 01 2024 21:14 oxKnu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2024 21:09 ggsimida wrote:On April 01 2024 21:08 oxKnu wrote:On April 01 2024 21:03 ggsimida wrote:
honestly best should have switched to another race long ago, he has no sense of utilizing protoss best traits and his macro style would have suited terran better maybe Disagree, Terran at high level requires a lot of precision. The guy routinely loses large chunks of his units to mines that he already scouts, loses coursairs like a D-rank etc.. Best made Sharp look really good today with his non-existing game sense, however Sharp came up well prepared for the maps I thought. Mini would've easily 3-0ed Sharp today though, literally all of the games he skipped something. Protoss players that don't have tunnel vision destroy this type of Terran. zerg then lol? can press H instead of Z We don't need to guess. There is already a version of Zerg that plays like Best. Hero. He looks a little bit sneakier because that race has more tools in every match-up but he has the same tunnelvision and lack of game sense. Both have the same history: Always top8-16 but routinely failing in the later stages of tournaments and their losses always look the same. NO ASL wins too.
That's quite an apt comparison (with Hero). But Best's Terran doesn't necessarily look the way you described. Have you ever watched his offrace games? He pretty much rolled all the Terrans (offracing as Protoss in a TvP raceswap matchup), bar Light, with solid defend, until Protoss runs out of steam. I guess the way the race functions forces players to adapt. TvZ is actually the matchup that resembles his PvT style, where he brute forces his way to victory with insane macro. His TvZ is good enough that allows him to even beat Queen's main race.
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You guys tend to overthink these games. When the players skill are this close, games are decided in one or two moments and that's it. I didn't catch game 1 but game 2 was decided the moment Best caught Sharp's army on the move, game 3 Best took a slight risk with the 12 Nexus but Sharp took an even bigger one with the 7 min 3rd CC (there's a map element here too) and it paid off and the game already ended there lol. And game 3 was decided in the early game with the Vulture runby which again came from Sharp taking a chance. Maybe a Snow who is better skill wise can make up for those disadvantages with his reaver and a Mini who can come up with something crazy may be able to win from behind. But a Best who the only things he knows is to play standard has no chance against such solid play from Sharp.
As RJBTV and I pointed out earlier, Sharp's been on very good form recently (probably the 2nd best Terran now especially TvP) and this result is not surprising at all. Maybe it could have been different if the map order was different (Troy and NDO being out is a huge blow for Best).
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On April 01 2024 21:43 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2024 21:14 oxKnu wrote:On April 01 2024 21:09 ggsimida wrote:On April 01 2024 21:08 oxKnu wrote:On April 01 2024 21:03 ggsimida wrote:
honestly best should have switched to another race long ago, he has no sense of utilizing protoss best traits and his macro style would have suited terran better maybe Disagree, Terran at high level requires a lot of precision. The guy routinely loses large chunks of his units to mines that he already scouts, loses coursairs like a D-rank etc.. Best made Sharp look really good today with his non-existing game sense, however Sharp came up well prepared for the maps I thought. Mini would've easily 3-0ed Sharp today though, literally all of the games he skipped something. Protoss players that don't have tunnel vision destroy this type of Terran. zerg then lol? can press H instead of Z We don't need to guess. There is already a version of Zerg that plays like Best. Hero. He looks a little bit sneakier because that race has more tools in every match-up but he has the same tunnelvision and lack of game sense. Both have the same history: Always top8-16 but routinely failing in the later stages of tournaments and their losses always look the same. NO ASL wins too. That's quite an apt comparison (with Hero). But Best's Terran doesn't necessarily look the way you described. Have you ever watched his offrace games? He pretty much rolled all the Terrans (offracing as Protoss in a TvP raceswap matchup), bar Light, with solid defend, until Protoss runs out of steam. I guess the way the race functions forces players to adapt. TvZ is actually the matchup that resembles his PvT style, where he brute forces his way to victory with insane macro. His TvZ is good enough that allows him to even beat Queen's main race.
i make those posts precisely because i vaguely remember seeing some of best's terran offrace and being impressed by them. protoss has always been about exploiting and abusing spells and gimmicks like reavers to win tourneys at the highest level that is just not best's playstyle i didnt see any tvt the one that actually requires the most positioning and game sense tho think he will massively struggle in those.
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On April 01 2024 22:27 ggsimida wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2024 21:43 TMNT wrote:On April 01 2024 21:14 oxKnu wrote:On April 01 2024 21:09 ggsimida wrote:On April 01 2024 21:08 oxKnu wrote:On April 01 2024 21:03 ggsimida wrote:
honestly best should have switched to another race long ago, he has no sense of utilizing protoss best traits and his macro style would have suited terran better maybe Disagree, Terran at high level requires a lot of precision. The guy routinely loses large chunks of his units to mines that he already scouts, loses coursairs like a D-rank etc.. Best made Sharp look really good today with his non-existing game sense, however Sharp came up well prepared for the maps I thought. Mini would've easily 3-0ed Sharp today though, literally all of the games he skipped something. Protoss players that don't have tunnel vision destroy this type of Terran. zerg then lol? can press H instead of Z We don't need to guess. There is already a version of Zerg that plays like Best. Hero. He looks a little bit sneakier because that race has more tools in every match-up but he has the same tunnelvision and lack of game sense. Both have the same history: Always top8-16 but routinely failing in the later stages of tournaments and their losses always look the same. NO ASL wins too. That's quite an apt comparison (with Hero). But Best's Terran doesn't necessarily look the way you described. Have you ever watched his offrace games? He pretty much rolled all the Terrans (offracing as Protoss in a TvP raceswap matchup), bar Light, with solid defend, until Protoss runs out of steam. I guess the way the race functions forces players to adapt. TvZ is actually the matchup that resembles his PvT style, where he brute forces his way to victory with insane macro. His TvZ is good enough that allows him to even beat Queen's main race. i make those posts precisely because i vaguely remember seeing some of best's terran offrace and being impressed by them. protoss has always been about exploiting and abusing spells and gimmicks like reavers to win tourneys at the highest level that is just not best's playstyle i didnt see any tvt the one that actually requires the most positioning and game sense tho think he will massively struggle in those.
That'd probably be the case. Just look no further than his PvP as evidence lol.
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I stop following closely for a few months and Sharp won the wildcard and gets top 4?
Sharp and Best did have some bangers in ASL in the past, the EMP game on Sylphid in S7 and the mass mines game in S11 come to mind
Proud of this kid for taking advantage of his opportunities and not choking (yet haha)
Probably best-case scenario for him is Rush in the semifinals and Bisu in the finals, he has slim-to-none chance of beating Snow/Soulkey/Mini in a BO7. I also doubt he beats her0 if Rush (a TvZ god) loses to her0.
let's f*cking go Sharp!
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out of curiosity, did anyone picked Sharp for the LB ?
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the supply lead protoss needs to trade evenly with terran is just disgusting. Storm is a good spell, but it being gated by mana it gets out classed by tank attacks and vulture mines.
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Guys, this is Ro8. It's pretty obvious that these guys are amazing and better than 99,99% of all the amateurs that know of SC. All comments are relative to the level of competition in context here.
I was seriously impressed with Sharp's level of preparation for these games.
In the past, like 80% of his TvPs would be like that last game on Apocalypse, and the P's that would see the trick and defend it well and then would just demolish him most of the times.
Now, each map kind had its own strategy from Sharp's perspective. It was awesome.
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omg this was so hard to watch xD
Best played pretty bad.
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On April 02 2024 00:35 RogerChillingworth wrote:
omg this was so hard to watch xD
Best played pretty bad.
Sharp has a great understanding of Best's strategic habits. Sharp in every game countered Best with build orders. Best made the wrong choice in response from the handicap of having limited information. Best managed to misdirect sharp into a trap in game 2. Sharp played better with his scans after and avoided a repeat. If Best went for shuttle storm builds he would have had a better chance.
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Guys chill... ya'll are getting a little too predictable now lol...
I wouldn't necessarily say Best played to the best of his ability, but definitely didn't look terrible. He didn't look particularly sharp *cough* in RO16 either, but still took out Light, Rush & Action (in RO24)... but somehow over night he became a one sided and limited player lol.
Sharp played a good series and has been in great shape lately.
Terran wins? Wow lucky engagements.
Zerg wins? Hydra bust, Zerg too ez
Protoss wins? Wow supreme play in a time where Protoss struggles so hard, they could barely fill half the bracket.
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If nothing else, its very unlikely now to get a mirror final, only ZvZ is possible, but I dont believe in Hero making it past these 2 terrans
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