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On October 05 2023 20:42 konadora wrote:
"honestly i did not expect to win 4-0, so i'm glad with the results"
"i don't like to meet the same player twice, because my mind games and strategies dont seem to work the second time."
"my goal for this tournament was the Semi-Finals, but after qualifying for Semi-Finals, I started getting greedy to win it all. That made me even more motivated for the win."
"Thankfully I won my first 4 games, so I can keep my next 3 builds a secret until the finals."
"Honestly, I think Soulkey is a very tough opponent, so I have to prepare even harder for him."
"Thank you all my fans who came down to support me. I even heard that the tickets for today's matches were sold out pretty quick. Thank you to all the other players for helping me, and for my girlfriend for supporting me."
Thank you for this translation dude
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On October 05 2023 20:47 TMNT wrote:
The funny thing is his win rate online is not that good, less than 50% vs the top Zergs. I think he's only 43% vs Soulkey this year. Everything just falls in place for him this series. Tbh as good as Effort is, today is really major proleague vs k-league.
Prep does matter a lot on a BO7 series.
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On October 05 2023 20:47 TMNT wrote:
The funny thing is his win rate online is not that good, less than 50% vs the top Zergs. I think he's only 43% vs Soulkey this year. Everything just falls in place for him this series. Tbh as good as Effort is, today is really major proleague vs k-league.
Mini's 2023 stats against the top zergs:
Mincheol Kim (Z) 33 wins 55 losses 37.5%
Sanghyun Park (Z) 75 wins 85 losses 46.9%
Jaedong (Z) 45 wins 35 losses 56.3%
Kim Jeong-woo (Z) 25 wins 21 losses 54.3%
Seongdae Kim (Z) 13 wins, 8 losses 61.9%
Kim Myeong-woon (Z) 50 wins 42 losses 54.3%
Jo Il-jang (Z) 46 wins 49 losses 48.4%
287 wins - 295 losses
winrate 49,31%
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On October 05 2023 21:13 RJBTV wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2023 20:47 TMNT wrote:
The funny thing is his win rate online is not that good, less than 50% vs the top Zergs. I think he's only 43% vs Soulkey this year. Everything just falls in place for him this series. Tbh as good as Effort is, today is really major proleague vs k-league. Mini's 2023 stats against the top zergs: Mincheol Kim (Z) 33 wins 55 losses 37.5%
In the finals Mini's gonna have his work cut out for him. Soulkey seems to have a read on him.
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On October 05 2023 21:22 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2023 21:13 RJBTV wrote:On October 05 2023 20:47 TMNT wrote:
The funny thing is his win rate online is not that good, less than 50% vs the top Zergs. I think he's only 43% vs Soulkey this year. Everything just falls in place for him this series. Tbh as good as Effort is, today is really major proleague vs k-league. Mini's 2023 stats against the top zergs: Mincheol Kim (Z) 33 wins 55 losses 37.5% In the finals Mini's gonna have his work cut out for him. Soulkey seems to have a read on him.
Soulkey performs best under massive amounts of pressure. Soulkey also plays the most brainy zerg. Two things I think Mini is worst again because he is a limit tester. Limit testers tend to overwhelm with pressure and tend to brute force situations. I still think Mini is going to win though.
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Action died & retired for this! I don't blame too much effOrt though, he already showed very high results after being inactive for like how many seasons? So you guys shouldn't blame him too much. Mini is monster though.
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On October 05 2023 13:04 RowdierBob wrote:
If Effort has any decency about him, he'll let Mini win so we, the fans, don't have to endure a bo7 ZvZ for the final.
Go Mini.
Effort is indeed a decent man.
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I think this is the best finals we could've hoped for. They are both very technical players and if needed can slug it out.
Of course we will get 4 games of hydra busts now.
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It's really interesting that Effort never got to a hydra-bust attempt. Was it the builds? Too techy/low econ?
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On October 06 2023 00:46 Simplistik wrote:
It's really interesting that Effort never got to a hydra-bust attempt. Was it the builds? Too techy/low econ?
One time he could've attempted a hydra bust, other times he chose builds that didn't allow for that option. I'm honestly baffled by that decision. In a full length bo7 you have to do at least two hydra busts, it's just a staple of ZvP. Four games in a row he didn't go for that.
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On October 05 2023 20:44 Peeano wrote:
Well, I got my prediction right. I did not imagine a 4-0 win though. EffOrt became a K-league player to not abuse his wrist into destruction, right? Maybe not the time to bring it up lol. I don't mean to discredit Mini's achievement at all here.
Even back in KeSPA days EffOrt had a lot of trouble facing Bisu (best PvZer at the time) as well.
What is your point? In Kespa era there was not a single player (even Flash and JD) who did not have a lot of trouble facing Bisu. Effort was like everyone else in this regard
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Well Mini showed for a second time that even if the Protoss race have some deficits (I personally believe that P early game should've been buffed a little vs Z and we would've had a perfect balance), the main issue is the players' skill atm.
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On October 06 2023 02:12 M2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2023 20:44 Peeano wrote:
Well, I got my prediction right. I did not imagine a 4-0 win though. EffOrt became a K-league player to not abuse his wrist into destruction, right? Maybe not the time to bring it up lol. I don't mean to discredit Mini's achievement at all here.
Even back in KeSPA days EffOrt had a lot of trouble facing Bisu (best PvZer at the time) as well. What is your point? In Kespa era there was not a single player (even Flash and JD) who did not have a lot of trouble facing Bisu. Effort was like everyone else in this regard
My point is Effort destroyed any other Protoss in KeSPA days and unlikely loses to any other Protoss than Mini nowadays, (undoubtedly 0-4 in the case he does lose).
Mini is the PvZer of this era. Bisu was a challenge too big without wrist issues. Likewise Mini would be a challenge too big even without wrist issues. Etc.
Flash and JD don't matter in this because I'm talking about Effort and I'm comparing modern Mini vs KeSPA Bisu here.
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On October 05 2023 20:41 Magic Powers wrote:
Damn, is Mini becoming the PvZ god?
Already was.
On October 05 2023 21:26 RJBTV wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2023 21:22 Magic Powers wrote:On October 05 2023 21:13 RJBTV wrote:On October 05 2023 20:47 TMNT wrote:
The funny thing is his win rate online is not that good, less than 50% vs the top Zergs. I think he's only 43% vs Soulkey this year. Everything just falls in place for him this series. Tbh as good as Effort is, today is really major proleague vs k-league. Mini's 2023 stats against the top zergs: Mincheol Kim (Z) 33 wins 55 losses 37.5% In the finals Mini's gonna have his work cut out for him. Soulkey seems to have a read on him. Soulkey performs best under massive amounts of pressure. Soulkey also plays the most brainy zerg. Two things I think Mini is worst again because he is a limit tester. Limit testers tend to overwhelm with pressure and tend to brute force situations. I still think Mini is going to win though.
SK may be able to get some mileage out of preparation, but I agree Mini is the definite favorite. Mini being super aggressive and able to pull off multi-pronged harassment vs SK the lowest APM top Zerg... doesn't look good.
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that was an absolute roflstomp
unexpected! but appreciated 
hopefully we will see better quality games in the Grand Final but the winner will remain the same as today
Mini FIGHTING!
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Effort hadn’t really played anyone challenging on his ZvZ road. I think that makes it difficult to prepare for end game opponents.
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seemed like in all games, except maybe game 2, effort’s builds seemed to indicate he was avoiding a long macro-game. was he avoiding long macro games in a long bo7 set because of his hands?
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On October 06 2023 07:47 Crimson)S(hadow wrote:
seemed like in all games, except maybe game 2, effort’s builds seemed to indicate he was avoiding a long macro-game. was he avoiding long macro games in a long bo7 set because of his hands?
Seems more like situations forced him. He was behind every time with the openings. As I said, everything fell in place for Mini today.
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Some weird build order choices from Effort.
Mini nearly bottled it in a couple of those games though.
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