EPTIm pretty sure he heard the crowd and game got rigged due that. You cannot really hear the commentators or minor talks through that "double shielding"... But clear shout like that, absolutely (even when in booth)!
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Destroyer
Czech Republic949 Posts
Im pretty sure he heard the crowd and game got rigged due that. You cannot really hear the commentators or minor talks through that "double shielding"... But clear shout like that, absolutely (even when in booth)! | ||
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TMNT
3178 Posts
On August 17 2023 01:45 Destroyer wrote: Im pretty sure he heard the crowd and game got rigged due that. You cannot really hear the commentators or minor talks through that "double shielding"... But clear shout like that, absolutely (even when in booth)! Shuttle now back streaming and he said he heard the shout too. Well that means Royal also heard it and the SCV turning back right after the shout is quite evident. Shuttle's quite disappointed with it but obviously doesn't blame Royal. It's Afreeca who fucked up this time. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5174 Posts
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M2
Bulgaria4167 Posts
On August 17 2023 02:08 TMNT wrote: Shuttle now back streaming and he said he heard the shout too. Well that means Royal also heard it and the SCV turning back right after the shout is quite evident. Shuttle's quite disappointed with it but obviously doesn't blame Royal. It's Afreeca who fucked up this time. Lol this is such a bullshit actually (for Shuttle I mean) | ||
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Simplistik
2139 Posts
Shuttle, well, I'm kinda glad Royal made. Shuttle would've just lost to the next generic zerg... Oh yeah, RoyaL is actually really good. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
Chad3132 Posts
I honestly enjoy Shuttle's play more than SnOw's, but it's clear the Protoss power is definitely lacking these days. What we need is someone like Ruin to perform well—his style is super cool. The ASL could use a couple more interesting Protoss (and a new format xD). | ||
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TMNT
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RJBTV
194 Posts
On August 17 2023 03:59 RogerChillingworth wrote: Fun games from Shuttle. Super unfortunate about the crowd noise. He would have 100% won, no? I hope Afreeca makes some sort of a statement cuz that's some tournament integrity stuff right there. I honestly enjoy Shuttle's play more than SnOw's, but it's clear the Protoss power is definitely lacking these days. What we need is someone like Ruin to perform well—his style is super cool. The ASL could use a couple more interesting Protoss (and a new format xD). Protoss is highly susceptible to getting locked into one build path. More than Terran and Zerg. Protoss is bad in Bo1 formats. In best of sets with a wider variety of options Protoss tends to do better. | ||
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avanhokie
50 Posts
On August 17 2023 04:37 TMNT wrote: Apparently Shuttle just released a statement saying sorry (supposedly to Royal) because he was upset and talked about the soundproof incident publicly on his stream after the game. Probably to also calm some of his fans down (as he has a huge fan base and there will be idiots who will go harass Royal after this). They should be complaining to afreeca, amateur hour if that kind of stuff is occurring and shuttle has a right to be upset about it. | ||
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End1ess
Canada77 Posts
On August 16 2023 20:16 sertas wrote: Why do protoss always send corsair to enemy main, why not fly through middle to see hydras like 10-15 sec earlier giving a lot more time to make cannons? it could be muta build. that 10-15 sec it's to build cannons in the main. | ||
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blackthunder92
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These minor tweaks don't affect any other matchups and are exclusively used in the PvZ matchup. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On August 17 2023 01:04 TMNT wrote: Maybe it was me (and Magic Power also joined in) but what I said was his peak PvT is the best ever, not him being the best P ever lol. Obviously it stands true still. We just dont see his peak PvT today sadly. Also can't really say Snow always chokes. He's only improved his PvZ recently. Before it was more the expectation that he lost to Zergs (7 seasons in a row). He did choke today though. Both opponents he holds a win rate of 60-70% online and should have cruised through. I did indeed say Snow is the best protoss right now, and possibly ever. I also said that people hugely underestimate Royal's PvT, and... well. In a bo1 anything can happen. I think the bo1 format in the first round is a complete travesty. Whoever is responsible for that decision should never get to make a decision ever again. | ||
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Lazyer
United States387 Posts
Bo1 strikes again, but I'm excited for Killer, it's not like he fumbled his way into winning the group. Really unexpected and it's gonna be interesting to see next week's groups after seeing the upsets this week. | ||
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Artas1984
147 Posts
Snow, nobody gives a dent about your pro-league 65 % overall winrate if you loose to low-ass zerg like Baxter offline and don't hold your shit together in a standard TvP macro game... The maps have nothing to do here: Snow simply does not have the mental power to perform well offline, and Shuttle lost to a superior player... | ||
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Ideas
United States8171 Posts
On August 17 2023 01:17 RJBTV wrote: Snow is by leaps and bounds the most dominant a protoss has been, in online play. important thing to emphasize. His online performance is so dominant only Flash and Light(2020+early 2021) have shown such dominance post Kespa. Snows has had months in 2023 where his winrate was at 75%, in pvz, pvt and pvp, combining spons, proleagues and events. He simply cant translate it to bo1 offline performance. He needs to better handle weird situations and not choke. It's crazy because he's performed really well offline in past seasons (reaching finals twice), but he's gotten a lot worse in the last 2 years or so. I wouldn't even say it looked like he played particularly poorly, in fact he was playing pretty well in the first half of each game but then made like 1 mistake that gave his opponent an opening that they took to win the game. | ||
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Terrorbladder
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TMNT
3178 Posts
On August 17 2023 13:28 Terrorbladder wrote: After this group I think it's safe to say it's not a map balance/racial balance problem. Protoss players just have a skill issue. I'm sorry but this is a dumb statement which probably stems from the narrative created by Flash (when talking about the no Protoss bonjwa thing) and... Artosis. Although both races are thrashed by Terran, Protoss in fact has more appearances in ASL finals than Zerg, of which Snow himself had been there twice. Funny that the two big Protosses who never made ASL finals (Best and Bisu) are decorated players during Kespa which was actually the bigger and harder stage. So, put together the facts that tier 1 Protosses tend to crash out more in Ro24 but still appear in finals more than Zerg, a more logical theory is the Protoss race is more vulnerable to the BO1 format, which also fits with the fact that they tend to do better online where the number of games is close to infinite. I'm sure if you look deep into meta and build order you can find clues why Protoss is more vulnerable to BO1, like RJBTV just said above. Also the map balance is literally written down in its win rate, not deduced from 1 single game lol. | ||
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ggsimida
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On August 17 2023 15:23 TMNT wrote: I'm sorry but this is a dumb statement which probably stems from the narrative created by Flash (when talking about the no Protoss bonjwa thing) and... Artosis. Although both races are thrashed by Terran, Protoss in fact has more appearances in ASL finals than Zerg, of which Snow himself had been there twice. Funny that the two big Protosses who never made ASL finals (Best and Bisu) are decorated players during Kespa which was actually the bigger and harder stage. So, put together the facts that tier 1 Protosses tend to crash out more in Ro24 but still appear in finals more than Zerg, a more logical theory is the Protoss race is more vulnerable to the BO1 format, which also fits with the fact that they tend to do better online where the number of games is close to infinite. I'm sure if you look deep into meta and build order you can find clues why Protoss is more vulnerable to BO1, like RJBTV just said above. Also the map balance is literally written down in its win rate, not deduced from 1 single game lol. I wouldn't even take these trolls seriously. They know exactly that they don't know what they're talking about, they just want to have opinions. "Snow has gotten worse" lmao The bo1 format during the group stage is just extremely unforgiving. Several games get decided by coin flip scenarios and people actually argue there's any skill involved in that. Even Flash loses many, many games by coin flip. | ||
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Nirli
Bulgaria386 Posts
Game 1 was B tier Zerg play vs high tier C Protoss play, there's just no way around it. And yes, I know I'm hating on Snow (again), but where does it end? Protoss prospects are sadly non-existant, whereas Terrans have been on the rise and we get some great Z players as well. | ||
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