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vtv.Teacher
Thailand39 Posts
This season has the potential to only see 2 toss advance... | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5221 Posts
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Peeano
Netherlands5700 Posts
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
On August 16 2023 21:18 vtv.Teacher wrote: Not a good start for Protoss this season... 3 of 4 are eliminated, free has an insanely hard group & it's likely that only Bisu or Stork will move on from Group F. This season has the potential to only see 2 toss advance... Ha Stork, he is so outdated... He has no chance to win anything. Bisu is the only hope left for protoss. His PvT seems to be better lately, but yea, his PvZ also seems to be not as solid. They really need to do something to give protoss a fighting chance, it's all T and Z lately.... | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5700 Posts
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
On August 16 2023 21:24 Peeano wrote: Well played by Royal in the games he won. He has been a top terran since his ASL gold, unlike another Terran. Royal got through somewhat lucky in the RO24, nothing special about that? The dude really is nothing special. He beat a B-tier player today, yay, definitely is not on the level of the elites, but yea, we'll see that in the rest of ASL. Not sure what other terran you mean, but Jyj sure seems more impressive to me. | ||
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TMNT
3260 Posts
But I wonder if Royal did actually hear the crowd. The SCV made a turnover not once but twice. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16125 Posts
On August 16 2023 21:19 Peeano wrote: Sad both protosses got eliminated today Hard to feel bad for Shuttle when he gambled his last remaining life on proxy DTs. I would have felt worse for Royal if he had lost his last remaining life to that malarkey. | ||
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prosatan
Romania9013 Posts
On August 16 2023 21:30 TMNT wrote: Shuttle actually chose the right strategy after Royal kinda gifted him game 1. He knows he can't beat Royal in a standard macro game. But I wonder if Royal did actually hear the crowd. The SCV made a turnover not once but twice. Yes! I saw that too!! Very strange!! | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5700 Posts
On August 16 2023 21:28 Kaolla wrote: Royal got through somewhat lucky in the RO24, nothing special about that? The dude really is nothing special. He beat a B-tier player today, yay, definitely is not on the level of the elites, but yea, we'll see that in the rest of ASL. Not sure what other terran you mean, but Jyj sure seems more impressive to me. I'm happy to agree to disagree lol. It's quite clear you and I have a different view on pro BW. | ||
Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4523 Posts
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EndingLife
United States1605 Posts
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Peeano
Netherlands5700 Posts
On August 16 2023 21:48 Liquid`Ret wrote: Don't get why ASL insists on being bo1 in the ro24 Same reason their map pools are often a bit funky imo A simple improvement here would be to make the Final Match a Bo3. The 2-0 winner and 0-2 loser don't miss out here. | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3513 Posts
On August 16 2023 21:18 vtv.Teacher wrote: Not a good start for Protoss this season... 3 of 4 are eliminated, free has an insanely hard group & it's likely that only Bisu or Stork will move on from Group F. This season has the potential to only see 2 toss advance... it s been like this for a while now, and there s no way Stork advances. Bisu also has the potential to fail. we might have a single P advancing from Ro24 (so 2 total since Best is seeded). Not surprised Mini failed, but disappointed in Snow going 0-2. But then he always chokes, he s like worst than Best in that regard. I remember I argued with somebody calling him the best P ever recently and well... Their argument aged like fine milk. Props to Killer for a very solid showing. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13433 Posts
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WGT-Baal
France3513 Posts
On August 16 2023 22:48 RowdierBob wrote: Mini made it! sorry you are of course right, I meant shuttle. I m happy Mini made it  | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16125 Posts
On August 16 2023 21:48 Liquid`Ret wrote: Don't get why ASL insists on being bo1 in the ro24 Probably because the constant upsets are entertaining? Korean Brood War seems to love trying to do as much as it can to keep the tournaments unpredictable. | ||
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TMNT
3260 Posts
On August 16 2023 20:18 M2 wrote: not sure why protosses so rarely start cannons at the front just in case together with the corsairs scout and then cancel them if they find nothing, especially when there is some cheesy openings like zegilings busts What do you mean (in the context of this game)? Shuttle already had 2 cannons up in his natural and 1 in his main by the time the hydras arrived. The problem is Killer was super all in (he made so many lings already but then also followed up by hydras) while Shuttle positioned his cannons in a gotta-catch-them-all manner (1 in the main to defend possible mutas, and 1 of the 2 in the nat so far back to defend, well, mutas). Why he did that? Because this is a map where the nat is on high ground, so hydra bust is less likely than usual. The truth is at this level there is always an element of guesswork in PvZ because you can't spend resources in a just-in-case manner vs pro Zergs and expect to win the macro game vs them. | ||
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TMNT
3260 Posts
On August 16 2023 22:38 WGT-Baal wrote: Not surprised Mini failed, but disappointed in Snow going 0-2. But then he always chokes, he s like worst than Best in that regard. I remember I argued with somebody calling him the best P ever recently and well... Their argument aged like fine milk. Maybe it was me (and Magic Power also joined in) but what I said was his peak PvT is the best ever, not him being the best P ever lol. Obviously it stands true still. We just dont see his peak PvT today sadly. Also can't really say Snow always chokes. He's only improved his PvZ recently. Before it was more the expectation that he lost to Zergs (7 seasons in a row). He did choke today though. Both opponents he holds a win rate of 60-70% online and should have cruised through. | ||
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RJBTV
194 Posts
On August 17 2023 01:04 TMNT wrote: Maybe it was me (and Magic Power also joined in) but what I said was his peak PvT is the best ever, not him being the best P ever lol. Obviously it stands true still. We just dont see his peak PvT today sadly. Also can't really say Snow always chokes. He's only improved his PvZ recently. Before it was more the expectation that he lost to Zergs (7 seasons in a row). He did choke today though. Both opponents he holds a win rate of 60-70% online and should have cruised through. Snow is by leaps and bounds the most dominant a protoss has been, in online play. important thing to emphasize. His online performance is so dominant only Flash and Light(2020+early 2021) have shown such dominance post Kespa. Snows has had months in 2023 where his winrate was at 75%, in pvz, pvt and pvp, combining spons, proleagues and events. He simply cant translate it to bo1 offline performance. He needs to better handle weird situations and not choke. | ||
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