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On August 16 2023 20:18 M2 wrote:
not sure why protosses so rarely start cannons at the front just in case together with the corsairs scout and then cancel them if they find nothing, especially when there is some cheesy openings like zegilings busts
Because then you bleed out, vs muta, lurker, etc. It's not about cost lost, it's also about everything else falling behind due to sunken costs in cannons. ZvP is imba due mostly to the early stages, but what else is new?
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On August 16 2023 20:18 RowdierBob wrote:
Are hydra allins op or protosses too hopeless at scouting/anticipating them?
I think this is THE issue with PvZ, protoss has no reliable means to scout at this phase, they have to guess, if they are wrong -> they die, if they guess correct the game goes 50/50
Outside of this the race has all the means to fight toe to with zerg, but this guessing phase is quite devastating for the overall win rate in the match up
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On August 16 2023 20:21 M2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2023 20:18 RowdierBob wrote:
Are hydra allins op or protosses too hopeless at scouting/anticipating them? I think this is THE issue with PvZ, protoss has no reliable means to scout at this phase, they have to guess, if they are wrong -> they die, if they guess correct the game goes 50/50 Outside of this the race has all the means to fight toe to with zerg, but this guessing phase is quite devastating for the overall win rate in the match up
Precisely. Zerg gets a free chance for the kill, and can still fight on equal terms later, in general.
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On August 16 2023 20:21 Rainalcar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2023 20:18 M2 wrote:
not sure why protosses so rarely start cannons at the front just in case together with the corsairs scout and then cancel them if they find nothing, especially when there is some cheesy openings like zegilings busts Because then you bleed out, vs muta, lurker, etc. It's not about cost lost, it's also about everything else falling behind due to sunken costs in cannons. ZvP is imba due mostly to the early stages, but what else is new?
Yeah I understand this, but I saw a protoss timing in some games where they start cannons in a way that they are almost ready when the corsair reaches zerg base and if they see nothing they cancel them, but perhaps its not applicable every game
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We need to revisit robo openers against zerg! I mean when Kingdom, Nalra played zerg was playing totally different meta as well, on very different maps. I'm a fish D/F theorycrafter so there is of course 80% humour in this.
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On August 16 2023 20:23 M2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2023 20:21 Rainalcar wrote:On August 16 2023 20:18 M2 wrote:
not sure why protosses so rarely start cannons at the front just in case together with the corsairs scout and then cancel them if they find nothing, especially when there is some cheesy openings like zegilings busts Because then you bleed out, vs muta, lurker, etc. It's not about cost lost, it's also about everything else falling behind due to sunken costs in cannons. ZvP is imba due mostly to the early stages, but what else is new? Yeah I understand this, but I saw a protoss timing is some games where they start cannons in a way that they are almost ready when the corsair reaches zerg base and if they see nothing they cancel them, but perhaps its not applicable every game
Only if you have a really strong backed-up hunch will you see this. Most of the time, it's a guessing game.
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GO SNOW! Tempest is a great map for 2base carrier
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On August 16 2023 20:24 Rainalcar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2023 20:23 M2 wrote:On August 16 2023 20:21 Rainalcar wrote:On August 16 2023 20:18 M2 wrote:
not sure why protosses so rarely start cannons at the front just in case together with the corsairs scout and then cancel them if they find nothing, especially when there is some cheesy openings like zegilings busts Because then you bleed out, vs muta, lurker, etc. It's not about cost lost, it's also about everything else falling behind due to sunken costs in cannons. ZvP is imba due mostly to the early stages, but what else is new? Yeah I understand this, but I saw a protoss timing is some games where they start cannons in a way that they are almost ready when the corsair reaches zerg base and if they see nothing they cancel them, but perhaps its not applicable every game Only if you have a really strong backed-up hunch will you see this. Most of the time, it's a guessing game.
I am also thinking that Protosses need to prepare perfectly to be competitive in this level and there is just not enough incentives for this in the post kespa era
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What a funny zig-zag layout Snow is expanding, it's really interesting to watch tvp's on this map.
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what is happening ? is snow falling ??
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I would also storm myself to death in a match like this like that high templar did
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On August 16 2023 20:45 prosatan wrote:
what is happening ? is snow falling ??
No, Royal is just playing better
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I hope we end up with 1P after the group stage, just to hear how P are not trying enough 
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
snow forever online player, why do I keep betting on him
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Very strong in proleague and loses in RO 24 ....
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
Poll: Recommend Losers' Game?Yes (19) 86% No (3) 14% If you have time (0) 0% 22 total votes Your vote: Recommend Losers' Game? (Vote): Yes
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How predictable... Snow losing in the RO24... Seriously, how can anyone take this guy seriously.... Best PvT... yea, right, best choker in the game.
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Ugh Snow. He’s just one of those guys who can’t perform in front of the cameras.
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EPT
