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Braavos36375 Posts
On October 24 2007 01:21 Desade wrote:
There has been so much discussion and argument about this topic.
But the one vital question hasn't been asked nor answered as far as I know:
Why should Calm give this win to Hwasin?
Calm having a good reason to give away the win means it's more likely that it was rigged, but Calm not having a good reason doesn't mean it wasn't rigged.
So this question isn't really vital since already all the evidence is pointing toward an obvious rigging of the match.
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On October 24 2007 01:30 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2007 01:21 Desade wrote:
There has been so much discussion and argument about this topic.
But the one vital question hasn't been asked nor answered as far as I know:
Why should Calm give this win to Hwasin? Calm having a good reason to give away the win means it's more likely that it was rigged, but Calm not having a good reason doesn't mean it wasn't rigged. So this question isn't really vital since already all the evidence is pointing toward an obvious rigging of the match.
Well, to convict somebody you normally need evidence + a motive as far as I know. The latter is missing yet.
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Flock read all my posts on Teamliquid.net forum. I hv sent U the TRUTH.
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There are several reasons for Calm to give away the win if you use your imagination. Without an official investigation pointing us in one direction or another, its not in great taste to start speculating too much on it at this point (I couldn't help but hint at a potential reason in the OP of this thread, btw... ask yourself why the basketball players point shaved).
Considering that they split the winnings and that they didn't respect the venue, however, there's only one reason not to give away any games: vanity.
There's some chance that they weren't rigging the games-- not a reasonable chance, imo-- but whether we know what reason they had to do it should not play much on our minds when considering evidence. Motive helps a case, but it doesn't make a case.
If you think the evidence isn't convincing, or that its total bunk, or its just a bad coincidence, that's fine. At least you're approaching the problem the right way. But I don't think you should refuse to consider what the evidence has to say because you can't imagine why they'd do it.
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Close this thread up.
The more U lamb talks the sooner ..............
Just keep silent.............................................................Countdown to Ex......
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Braavos36375 Posts
On October 24 2007 01:36 Desade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2007 01:30 Hot_Bid wrote:On October 24 2007 01:21 Desade wrote:
There has been so much discussion and argument about this topic.
But the one vital question hasn't been asked nor answered as far as I know:
Why should Calm give this win to Hwasin? Calm having a good reason to give away the win means it's more likely that it was rigged, but Calm not having a good reason doesn't mean it wasn't rigged. So this question isn't really vital since already all the evidence is pointing toward an obvious rigging of the match. Well, to convict somebody you normally need evidence + a motive as far as I know. The latter is missing yet.
These guys aren't on trial for murder. I could give reasons legally why motive really doesn't matter in cases like this one but I don't really think you want to hear it.
Assuming that motive matters, as far as we know the motives can only be mental, like Calm wanting his team captain to win, their Coach telling them to do this, etc. There's no way to prove this because they can just say differently. All we can look at is objectively what happened, and what happened overwhelmingly points toward them rigging it.
Yes there are some possibilities where they don't rig it, but you can always come up with what-ifs. What if Calm was possessed by aliens when he was typing? Is it a reasonable possibility that they were playing an elaborate mind game? I don't think so.
I think they rigged it, they got caught, and they are trying to deny afterwards.
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United States22883 Posts
On October 24 2007 01:22 starscrapper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2007 00:52 Jibba wrote:On October 24 2007 00:22 Ansible wrote:
everybody Calm down, it Hwasin't rigged!! Sadly that got a laugh out of me. I must be really sick. :/ Anyways, starcraper, I watched the other matches here and game 4 was the only time he went center barracks. They do talk before all the games (too blurry to read) but game 3 was a 15+ minute game ending in mutas/lurkers vs. tanks/mnm so they definitely weren't discussing it in the g4 VOD. I don't think Calm 12 pooled in game 4 though so I'm not sure what to say about that. Did U Watch 1st game @Monty Hall though. Where did HwaSin place barracket at three entrances of his main? Judge not lest ye hv seen all. Flocks see how U believed the sportsmanship advocated by Sino racists(Do u know what the hell it really is)! Confess now before my name! "center barracks" and a barracks outside your middle min wall on Monty Hall are not even close. Hwasin didn't even float his barracks over or anything - he went double fac.
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On October 24 2007 01:50 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2007 01:22 starscrapper wrote:On October 24 2007 00:52 Jibba wrote:On October 24 2007 00:22 Ansible wrote:
everybody Calm down, it Hwasin't rigged!! Sadly that got a laugh out of me. I must be really sick. :/ Anyways, starcraper, I watched the other matches here and game 4 was the only time he went center barracks. They do talk before all the games (too blurry to read) but game 3 was a 15+ minute game ending in mutas/lurkers vs. tanks/mnm so they definitely weren't discussing it in the g4 VOD. I don't think Calm 12 pooled in game 4 though so I'm not sure what to say about that. Did U Watch 1st game @Monty Hall though. Where did HwaSin place barracket at three entrances of his main? Judge not lest ye hv seen all. Flocks see how U believed the sportsmanship advocated by Sino racists(Do u know what the hell it really is)! Confess now before my name! "center barracks" and a barracks outside your middle min wall on Monty Hall are not even close. Hwasin didn't even float his barracks over or anything - he went double fac.
Do u speak Korean? Quite different to Egnlish? One toughts and the way of perception is based on his or her mother language.When the barrier of Babble is collapsed every nation appears truely what they are.......
"centre barracket"
May U answer me at which 3 entraces of HwaSin's main baracket was placed?
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Flock U arent affordable to talk anymore!
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Tonight must be dark. All stars are dim.
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If you're gonna troll, at least speak english.
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On October 24 2007 02:09 Tadzio00 wrote:
If you're gonna troll, at least speak english.
U facless beast!
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I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but didn't Hwasin have to fly back the day of this tournament (or after?) to play his MSL games? Maybe Calm's motivation was to make it easy on him so he had a better shot against Bisu (less fatigue, etc).
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No more disscussion, dont be done for
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No, this was after Hwasin got raped by Bisu.
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Hell awaits dont talk anymore.
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In east asian launage middle and center are the same word same meaning.
Chinese character: 中
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United States22883 Posts
On October 24 2007 02:01 starscrapper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2007 01:50 Jibba wrote:On October 24 2007 01:22 starscrapper wrote:On October 24 2007 00:52 Jibba wrote:On October 24 2007 00:22 Ansible wrote:
everybody Calm down, it Hwasin't rigged!! Sadly that got a laugh out of me. I must be really sick. :/ Anyways, starcraper, I watched the other matches here and game 4 was the only time he went center barracks. They do talk before all the games (too blurry to read) but game 3 was a 15+ minute game ending in mutas/lurkers vs. tanks/mnm so they definitely weren't discussing it in the g4 VOD. I don't think Calm 12 pooled in game 4 though so I'm not sure what to say about that. Did U Watch 1st game @Monty Hall though. Where did HwaSin place barracket at three entrances of his main? Judge not lest ye hv seen all. Flocks see how U believed the sportsmanship advocated by Sino racists(Do u know what the hell it really is)! Confess now before my name! "center barracks" and a barracks outside your middle min wall on Monty Hall are not even close. Hwasin didn't even float his barracks over or anything - he went double fac. Do u speak Korean? Quite different to Egnlish? One toughts and the way of perception is based on his or her mother language.When the barrier of Babble is collapsed every nation appears truely what they are....... "centre barracket" May U answer me at which 3 entraces of HwaSin's main baracket was placed? Ok, so your retarded theory is that they decided to talk about Hwasin's building placement in game 1, before game 4. Even though Calm obviously didn't 12 pool on Monty Hall and Hwasin's barracks had zero influence on the game because he just floated it back into his base and went 2 factories instead.
Seriously, someone ban starscrapper already. >.>
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On October 24 2007 02:56 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2007 02:01 starscrapper wrote:On October 24 2007 01:50 Jibba wrote:On October 24 2007 01:22 starscrapper wrote:On October 24 2007 00:52 Jibba wrote:On October 24 2007 00:22 Ansible wrote:
everybody Calm down, it Hwasin't rigged!! Sadly that got a laugh out of me. I must be really sick. :/ Anyways, starcraper, I watched the other matches here and game 4 was the only time he went center barracks. They do talk before all the games (too blurry to read) but game 3 was a 15+ minute game ending in mutas/lurkers vs. tanks/mnm so they definitely weren't discussing it in the g4 VOD. I don't think Calm 12 pooled in game 4 though so I'm not sure what to say about that. Did U Watch 1st game @Monty Hall though. Where did HwaSin place barracket at three entrances of his main? Judge not lest ye hv seen all. Flocks see how U believed the sportsmanship advocated by Sino racists(Do u know what the hell it really is)! Confess now before my name! "center barracks" and a barracks outside your middle min wall on Monty Hall are not even close. Hwasin didn't even float his barracks over or anything - he went double fac. Do u speak Korean? Quite different to Egnlish? One toughts and the way of perception is based on his or her mother language.When the barrier of Babble is collapsed every nation appears truely what they are....... "centre barracket" May U answer me at which 3 entraces of HwaSin's main baracket was placed? Ok, so your retarded theory is that they decided to talk about Hwasin's building placement in game 1, before game 4. Even though Calm obviously didn't 12 pool on Monty Hall and Hwasin's barracks had zero influence on the game because he just floated it back into his base and went 2 factories instead. Seriously, someone ban starscrapper already. >.>
U r sold out
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