EPTStarCraft II main event: $400,000
StarCraft II "legends" exhibition: $50,000
StarCraft: Remastered "legends" exhibition: $50,000
Invited players have yet to be announced.
The StarCraft portion of the Gamers8 festival will be held during August 3-6.
Gamers8 to have $50k legends exhibition in SC:Remastered
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Waxangel
United States33155 Posts
StarCraft II main event: $400,000 StarCraft II "legends" exhibition: $50,000 StarCraft: Remastered "legends" exhibition: $50,000 Invited players have yet to be announced. The StarCraft portion of the Gamers8 festival will be held during August 3-6.
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jindi5
China163 Posts
Such as: Fengzi ,JayStar , JeDi , Lx , RushGoon , LeiLei …… | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4163 Posts
will have to wait for more details I guess.. | ||
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ZZZero.O
Poland1461 Posts
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iFU.spx
Russian Federation366 Posts
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4163 Posts
50K is more than ok, but I was hoping for an actual (even a small 8 player DE bracket) tournament, tbh.. | ||
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lechatnoir
380 Posts
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WGT-Baal
France3341 Posts
On April 05 2023 04:45 M3t4PhYzX wrote: *yawn* 50K is more than ok, but I was hoping for an actual (even a small 8 player DE bracket) tournament, tbh.. you were hoping for a proper orga by the folks of ESL? that s your issue right there  But their first announcement did indeed make it seem like there would be an online (ie qualifier) phase then the offline tournament, instead this is a glorified blizzcon style. Hopefully unlike some years (2009 anyone?) we will have all 3 races and not just T and Z at least and also somewhat active players and not reach vs oov and july vs boxer. Given who they are, I wouldnt put it past them to get saviour ^^ | ||
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MineraIs
United States845 Posts
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Artas1984
Lithuania111 Posts
On April 05 2023 09:06 MineraIs wrote: Anyone remember the last legends showmatch at blizzcon where they had BW players vs SC2 players lol You mean the match between Bisu and Jeadong in 2017 where the pathetic thrall aka ''camera operator'' could not distinguish Bisu from Jeadong when they were introduced by the announcer? | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49700 Posts
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HOLYBATS
Turkey701 Posts
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MineraIs
United States845 Posts
On April 05 2023 09:09 Artas1984 wrote: You mean the match between Bisu and Jeadong in 2017 where the pathetic thrall aka ''camera operator'' could not distinguish Bisu from Jeadong when they were introduced by the announcer? I think they had a few 2:2’s of BW vs SC2 pros and they played some games on BW and SC2. I think rain was there. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4121 Posts
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Zografa
172 Posts
On April 05 2023 15:36 Dante08 wrote: This prize pool is actually more than what you get for ASL right? Pretty tempting tbh No its not - ASL is 60k this is 50k, kind of shame... i mean Saudis comeon i expect you to have the biggest BW tournament in history... its not that hard if you give 100k$ i think you are there. | ||
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TMNT
2471 Posts
They probably will invite 2-4 players only for some BW showmatches. Considering that, 50k is pretty big. | ||
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AncientSion
71 Posts
Saudis had a good chance here, they probably fucked it up already. Considering its called "legends" i suppose this will be invite of OGs, so really no content to the likes of BSL or ASL. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4163 Posts
On April 05 2023 19:18 AncientSion wrote: Reminds of the clown event from before Corona, "Italian Something Tour" which really was a joke of an event. Saudis had a good chance here, they probably fucked it up already. Considering its called "legends" i suppose this will be invite of OGs, so really no content to the likes of BSL or ASL. That was an actual tournament though, not even that terrible too. This "exhibition" is not going to even come close to that level I bet. What a shame, really. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4163 Posts
On April 05 2023 05:22 WGT-Baal wrote: you were hoping for a proper orga by the folks of ESL? that s your issue right there But their first announcement did indeed make it seem like there would be an online (ie qualifier) phase then the offline tournament, instead this is a glorified blizzcon style. Hopefully unlike some years (2009 anyone?) we will have all 3 races and not just T and Z at least and also somewhat active players and not reach vs oov and july vs boxer. Given who they are, I wouldnt put it past them to get saviour ^^ heh.. yeah, I guess.. | ||
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KameZerg
Sweden1757 Posts
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Mutaller
United States1049 Posts
On April 05 2023 21:42 KameZerg wrote: Please let it be nal_ra, julyzerg, reach, nada etc BoxeR and YellOw  | ||
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MineraIs
United States845 Posts
Boxer is very noob now, maybe B rank. | ||
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ExpatRights
53 Posts
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4163 Posts
it's the format, obviously. 50k even small (4 or 8) but normal DE tour would be awesome. at least, imo | ||
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RaGe
Belgium9945 Posts
Its not like theres a horde of old bw fans waiting out there hoping to see the old men come back. We just want top level starcraft, not a bunch of inactive players playing eachother. | ||
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Vision_
851 Posts
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knotfun
41 Posts
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XenOsky
Chile2215 Posts
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Malongo
Chile3471 Posts
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Zografa
172 Posts
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XenOsky
Chile2215 Posts
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SpaNiarD
Spain343 Posts
On April 12 2023 10:23 XenOsky wrote: as long as they dont invite draco idra and fucking nony kind of players im ok with whoever they choose... They were pretty good foreigners, but I don't think they really qualify by legends. I was more thinking about Boxer, Reach, etc. kind of players | ||
GTR
51392 Posts
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MineraIs
United States845 Posts
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Comedy
453 Posts
boxer is like 2400-2500 without even trying, he streams (although rarely) so it's easy for anyone to see it | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
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Puosu
6984 Posts
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4163 Posts
as expected. | ||
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[AS]Rattus
427 Posts
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MineraIs
United States845 Posts
On April 25 2023 10:43 Comedy wrote: boxer is like 2400-2500 without even trying, he streams (although rarely) so it's easy for anyone to see it I watched a boxer stream about a month ago and he was smurfing in public lobbies as terran and getting rekt. Sure, B rank could be an exaggeration, but I would bet money that he couldn't even hold his own even vs most BSL pro/gosuleague players. | ||
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Zografa
172 Posts
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4163 Posts
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WGT-Baal
France3341 Posts
On April 25 2023 23:51 M3t4PhYzX wrote: even with these players.. if this was DE bo5 bracket then maybe i'd be excited.. but it won't be, so i'm not. same but if they can bring flash back to playing, i ll consider it a benefit | ||
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Mutaller
United States1049 Posts
On April 25 2023 19:27 Zografa wrote: could it be Flash? I want it to be Flash, but I think it's looking more and more that he is done | ||
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EndingLife
United States1587 Posts
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Malongo
Chile3471 Posts
On April 25 2023 07:18 GTR wrote: https://twitter.com/SaintSnorlax/status/1650612000446201856 at least those 3 are active and competitive, good enough | ||
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Avi-Love
Denmark423 Posts
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Peeano
Netherlands4767 Posts
 Mind if he wins ASL. | ||
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HOLYBATS
Turkey701 Posts
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Malongo
Chile3471 Posts
On April 26 2023 16:09 Avi-Love wrote: Calling Stork competitive is probably the nicest thing anyone has said about him in the last 10 years :> ? not saying he is top dog or any thing but def top 20 in korea right now possibly top16. It took JyJ and Light to tackle him out in RO24 of ASL15. | ||
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MineraIs
United States845 Posts
On April 26 2023 18:34 Peeano wrote: Unannounced Terran might be Mind if he wins ASL.Regardless if he wins asl.. he is the only decent active og Terran. | ||
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Avi-Love
Denmark423 Posts
On April 27 2023 13:52 Malongo wrote: ? not saying he is top dog or any thing but def top 20 in korea right now possibly top16. It took JyJ and Light to tackle him out in RO24 of ASL15. He's still a washed up balance whiner, hence competitive is the nicest thing anyone has said about him in the last 10 years. You have to be a deeply unreasonable person to really like Stork :> I'm not really invested either way, this just looks like another thinly veiled attempt at sportswashing from the middle east to me. | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3341 Posts
On April 27 2023 20:28 Avi-Love wrote: He's still a washed up balance whiner, hence competitive is the nicest thing anyone has said about him in the last 10 years. You have to be a deeply unreasonable person to really like Stork :> I'm not really invested either way, this just looks like another thinly veiled attempt at sportswashing from the middle east to me. idk, Stork has always been nice and friendly at offline events to staff, including foreign staff/refs (like me) and seemed to be an overall cool dude. But granted that was 10 years ago and now it seems he whines online instead. But given that korean internet is extremely toxic, I do not hold that against him. edit: i didnt read "in the last 10yrs" so then yeah i agree ^^ | ||
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Comedy
453 Posts
On April 25 2023 16:50 MineraIs wrote: I watched a boxer stream about a month ago and he was smurfing in public lobbies as terran and getting rekt. Sure, B rank could be an exaggeration, but I would bet money that he couldn't even hold his own even vs most BSL pro/gosuleague players. that's an insane take considering he's streamed consistently over the past couple of years and has always been 2500+. He'd be at least on par with the best foreigners there are effortlessly and he is barely active. | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1162 Posts
Look at yourself before talking shit about those who have achieved way more than you can imagine. | ||
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GTR
51392 Posts
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ggByron
24 Posts
On July 12 2023 12:35 GTR wrote: Anyone know if this got cancelled? Doing some digging around, Stork said on his stream a while ago that the fourth player is Fantasy but I can't find any official pieces of information on the Gamers8 website on this event at all which may suggest this may have been brushed to the side. Cancelled? Not necessarily. With very little info having been revealed about the SC2 portion of the event, it seems like it's just a poorly organised event. | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3341 Posts
On July 12 2023 13:46 ggByron wrote: Cancelled? Not necessarily. With very little info having been revealed about the SC2 portion of the event, it seems like it's just a poorly organised event. A poorly-organised ESL event? Get out of here ! ;p hopefully this time around they sort out visas on time for a start | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
I saw him stream like half of a year ago and he was S | ||
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reincremate
China2212 Posts
*points at this event* This one...not so much. | ||
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Incomplete..ReV
Norway624 Posts
On July 12 2023 13:46 ggByron wrote: Cancelled? Not necessarily. With very little info having been revealed about the SC2 portion of the event, it seems like it's just a poorly organised bribe. It's almost like they don't really care about StarCraft. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4163 Posts
On July 20 2023 23:48 Incomplete..ReV wrote: It's almost like they don't really care about StarCraft. *surprisedpikachu.jpg* | ||
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MineraIs
United States845 Posts
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Kreuger
Sweden646 Posts
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Kreuger
Sweden646 Posts
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Simplistik
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art_of_turtle
United States1183 Posts
On July 20 2023 23:48 Incomplete..ReV wrote: It's almost like they don't really care about StarCraft. It's just Saudi Arabia trying to throw money to change their image.I'm still glad to see the players get paid, but I'm not at all deceived into know that the true goal is just to look better than how they actually are. | ||
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Nirli
Bulgaria356 Posts
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LUCKY_NOOB
Bulgaria1390 Posts
On July 28 2023 04:02 Kreuger wrote: Now with the correct one: https://twitter.com/Gamers8GG/status/1684630595446452224 Called it Brood War! That makes it all better. ^_._^ | ||
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RJBTV
194 Posts
On July 28 2023 22:19 art_of_turtle wrote: It's just Saudi Arabia trying to throw money to change their image.I'm still glad to see the players get paid, but I'm not at all deceived into know that the true goal is just to look better than how they actually are. It is not just to look better. Saudi Arabia has the problem of their entire economy being Oil and gas. Their Economy has comparatively almost no production and everything is greatly devalued. They have to literally throw billions of dollars at whatever they can on a weekly basis to prevent further devaluation. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4163 Posts
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WGT-Baal
France3341 Posts
On July 29 2023 17:48 M3t4PhYzX wrote: what's the format? And the maps? | ||
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Incomplete..ReV
Norway624 Posts
Format: Reverse Phantom (the map commands all players to kill one after the other, until there is only one left to oppress. Players who refuse to kill others are disqualified and receive the Kashoggi Award). | ||
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Kreuger
Sweden646 Posts
 Gamers8/2023/Legends | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4163 Posts
On August 01 2023 03:06 Kreuger wrote: 17.5k for 1st place https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Gamers8/2023/Legends This is for SC2 "Legends" though maybethe BW Legends exhibition will have the same distribution still no concrete info kinda annoying.. | ||
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Whiztard
United States227 Posts
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Kreuger
Sweden646 Posts
On August 01 2023 16:50 M3t4PhYzX wrote: This is for SC2 "Legends" though maybethe BW Legends exhibition will have the same distribution still no concrete info kinda annoying.. Ah my bad. Saw legends and my brain went bw :/ | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands4767 Posts
On August 02 2023 10:33 Whiztard wrote: How come its not on the side calendar? Because you didn't submit it? It is now btw | ||
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Kreuger
Sweden646 Posts
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WGT-Baal
France3341 Posts
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Crimson)S(hadow
Philippines525 Posts
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4163 Posts
probably not even bo5 either | ||
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Zografa
172 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
We could've had a FanTaSy vs Stork rematch! | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands4767 Posts
Now let's hope all 4 players can deliver for some close and exciting series. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4163 Posts
On August 03 2023 14:51 M3t4PhYzX wrote: not even DE, lmao.. probably not even bo5 either actually IT IS a bo5, huh well, great news. at least one good decision about this  | ||
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quantumleap
Canada20 Posts
On August 03 2023 10:33 Crimson)S(hadow wrote: do we know where the stream will be at? The TL page shows it being this https://www.twitch.tv/gamers8_en | ||
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ZakRoM
Costa Rica54 Posts
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oxKnu
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iRkSupperman
Norway130 Posts
The SC2 Legends tournament just finished. + Show Spoiler + Congrats to MC, who has been playing quite a bit of BW recently as well | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24260 Posts
On August 05 2023 23:53 iRkSupperman wrote: Tomorrow 14:00 CEST. The SC2 Legends tournament just finished. + Show Spoiler + Congrats to MC, who has been playing quite a bit of BW recently as well + Show Spoiler + And apparently has got pretty good at it too from what I’ve heard! | ||
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RJBTV
194 Posts
On August 06 2023 09:18 WombaT wrote: + Show Spoiler + And apparently has got pretty good at it too from what I’ve heard! he made it to semi final of qualifiers twice. | ||
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Kespa1988
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outscar
2832 Posts
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GTR
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outscar
2832 Posts
On August 06 2023 21:36 GTR wrote: Is there interpolation on the stream? Feels like the game is artificially smoother than usual. Really? My eyes aren't that sharp anymore to notice it. Also loved production: showing what's going on at another location on 2nd little camera, what's ASL still missing. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
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Zergxhx
China121 Posts
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ZeroByte13
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outscar
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Zografa
172 Posts
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whylessness
United States376 Posts
On August 06 2023 23:29 ZeroByte13 wrote: That mysterious strong terran on ladder that everyone thought was Flash... could it be Fantasy instead? no. as i recall there were two anonymous terrans on the ladder. one snow revealed was fantasy, the other ppl say was using hotkeys which match flash. and after action relayed the message that flash is suffering from a health issue that is preventing him from practicing, everything lines up. one was flash the other was fantasy. | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
C'mon JD, take 4th, how you gonna survive 4 base terran?! | ||
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Szinkler
Hungary394 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40186 Posts
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Javah
France739 Posts
epic game for real | ||
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GTR
51392 Posts
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whylessness
United States376 Posts
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Kespa1988
33 Posts
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RHoudini
Belgium3626 Posts
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outscar
2832 Posts
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Zergxhx
China121 Posts
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whylessness
United States376 Posts
On August 07 2023 00:13 outscar wrote: It's not like game was this long because of FanTaSy didn't GG too long, it's just he was so agressive and unbreakable. How the hell he survived this long with his mining shut down so many times for so long? Unreal. yeah, fantasy wasn't mining, i thought it was over. i got up to get some coffee; when i got back to my computer, supplies had evened out and fantasy was mining again. i think most ppl referring to fantasy gg timing were talking about the last 1 minute or so of the game. | ||
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2_2
Poland30 Posts
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Gescom
Canada3320 Posts
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outscar
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TT1
Canada9990 Posts
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.father
2 Posts
On August 07 2023 00:48 TT1 wrote: wow inactive Terran taking a casual break from his beach vacation to slap Bisu and Jaedong one sentence summary of the history of starcraft broodwar | ||
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tommey.liang
United States361 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24260 Posts
On August 07 2023 00:33 outscar wrote: JD sad... But well deserved by FanTa! Too bad he's not on upcoming ASL. Please give him an extra spot ! Yeah it’s a shame but understandable on Fantasy’s part at the same time | ||
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RJBTV
194 Posts
On August 06 2023 23:35 whylessness wrote: no. as i recall there were two anonymous terrans on the ladder. one snow revealed was fantasy, the other ppl say was using hotkeys which match flash. and after action relayed the message that flash is suffering from a health issue that is preventing him from practicing, everything lines up. one was flash the other was fantasy. Before SnOw revealed that llIlIllIIlIIllI, thsvnfdj and qweqewqqe is Fantasy I went over this person's replays with a pro player and we found out its Fantasy based off of his hotkeys. based off of Fantasy's ladder activity you could argue he practiced the most out of anyone. Combined he had around 750 ladder games over 2 to 3 months or so. He had been active on ladder since mid December. | ||
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oxKnu
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HOLYBATS
Turkey701 Posts
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outscar
2832 Posts
On August 07 2023 01:44 HOLYBATS wrote: Bisu and Stork lost two games and won 10 K USD. Cool. I mean both especially Bisu can earn that amount in 1 day on stream, there used to be crazy balloon donations. And let that Saudi money flow in. | ||
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redknights
206 Posts
reminds me of Sharp but waaay more smarter and polished (and "sharper" pardon the pun), awesome vulture usage | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4163 Posts
GGs anyway. Impressive result by the winner! | ||
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RJBTV
194 Posts
On August 07 2023 02:57 redknights wrote: damn Fantasy is really fun to watch, if he ever comes to Afreeca he might be my main player to follow reminds me of Sharp but waaay more smarter and polished (and "sharper" pardon the pun), awesome vulture usage I hope this gave him the push to want to compete and stream. He is evidently good enough for it. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
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TMNT
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QOGQOG
825 Posts
On August 07 2023 04:59 TMNT wrote: Yeah out of the 4 players Fantasy is the one who needs it the most, and kinda deserved the most, as he's the only one who practiced specifically for this tournament. For the others it's more of a nice trip to the Middle East with some decent money to bring home. Glad he won. Hope it gives him the motivation to stay in BW. I hope so. He looked really, really strong, it would be a shame to not compete more. But the fact he didn't even try for ASL makes me think this may be it. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24260 Posts
On August 07 2023 03:33 RJBTV wrote: I hope this gave him the push to want to compete and stream. He is evidently good enough for it. He doesn’t want to be a streamer and increasingly the landscape is intertwined between being a big BW player and streaming I think if you had something like the old Kespa days where it was pure competition and nothing else, with the money being there he’d be back in a second | ||
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Souden
36 Posts
But, I don't see him becoming a streamer though because he's very introverted, so I can't imagine him talking for hours to the camera and begging fans for donations to fund daily proleagues, though I think he would have killed it and get multiple all-kills in the major proleagues. However, once Royal has to leave for mandatory military service, DP Academy (Best's and Hyuk's starcraft academy for female streamers) might need a new terran coach and Fantasy would be perfect for it since he's close to SKT guys. And if he does join the academy, you may see him in part of DP showmatches and competitions where he just shows up and play and be a coach for terran female players. There were talks about it on Hyuk's stream and this Korean forum linked below. https://www.fmkorea.com/index.php?mid=starcraft&sort_index=pop&order_type=desc&document_srl=6045834891&listStyle=webzine | ||
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Nirli
Bulgaria356 Posts
On July 29 2023 02:13 Nirli wrote: Ez money for Fantaboy. | ||
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True_Spike
Poland3414 Posts
It's truly a shame the guy is not made for streaming - him going all-in on SC right now would bring fresh air into the scene. And since, historically, his best mu is vs P, perhaps he could rival Snow's current form. His pro stats: 1v1 Record: All: 264-159 (62.41%) vT: 82-49 (62.60%) vZ: 93-62 (60.00%) vP: 89-48 (64.96%) What a fucking beast. | ||
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redknights
206 Posts
I think there is a general mood (slightly joking but mostly serious) that you don't make as much money as a streamer by relying on gaming skills alone, so it would be interesting how lucrative or "worth it" it would be for Fantasy to just coach lightly and play in proleagues and comps (ASL, KCM, etc) while minimizing the streaming aspects kind of a fascinating interplay between the streaming and gaming aspects in Afreeca, and the relationship to both in making money. Before the StarCraft university scene started, some ex-pros pretty much gave up playing BW completely Also interesting theory suggested by Snow that some players' performance in ASL was improved because their streams were successful. His example was Mini when he won ASL, Snow theorized that because Mini's stream had become very successful, he wasn't as tense about performing well in ASL which allowed Mini to take some gambles in build choices because he wasn't as scared to fail. Perhaps a slight comparison to Hikaru Nakamura in chess who has seen his rating do very well while focusing on streaming and "not caring" about competitive chess | ||
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TMNT
2471 Posts
Tbf Bisu and JD also mainly play games but they have a huge fanbase already that whatever they do would generate interest. I believe the fanbase for Fantasy should be big as well. He's very close to Best and Hyuk who are running their Starcraft university. They even got him to Seoul (Fantasy doesn't live in Seoul) to watch the last ASL finals. Here's hoping they can lure Fantasy back to BW. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
2822 Posts
No shade on SC2, cause I'm a huge fan of that game as well, but Fantasy vs JD (game 3 I think?) is proof of the strength and depth of Brood War as it compares to most other games. Just incredible, awesome, cinematic, gut-wrenching, and badass all around. Grats to Fantasy, super well played, but more impressed with JD honestly. I can't even imagine what it feels like to be a Zerg under that much continuous pressure all game - and in every game of the series. | ||
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EndingLife
United States1587 Posts
On August 07 2023 23:50 RogerChillingworth wrote: Just popped in to say that Fantasy/JD series was very fulfilling and made up for the other 2 lackluster series. Fantasy is in such good shape, i'm pretty astounded. And it wasn't like JD played bad, he looked great honestly. What a series. No shade on SC2, cause I'm a huge fan of that game as well, but Fantasy vs JD (game 3 I think?) is proof of the strength and depth of Brood War as it compares to most other games. Just incredible, awesome, cinematic, gut-wrenching, and badass all around. Grats to Fantasy, super well played, but more impressed with JD honestly. I can't even imagine what it feels like to be a Zerg under that much continuous pressure all game - and in every game of the series. I think JD played well other than the game on HBR where he kept all inning with muta/ling instead of transitioning into 3rd & lurkers faster. Maybe he felt the death push was coming if he didn't keep harassing and putting on pressure. | ||
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Entaro[AoV]
United States184 Posts
On August 07 2023 23:50 RogerChillingworth wrote: Just popped in to say that Fantasy/JD series was very fulfilling and made up for the other 2 lackluster series. Fantasy is in such good shape, i'm pretty astounded. And it wasn't like JD played bad, he looked great honestly. What a series. No shade on SC2, cause I'm a huge fan of that game as well, but Fantasy vs JD (game 3 I think?) is proof of the strength and depth of Brood War as it compares to most other games. Just incredible, awesome, cinematic, gut-wrenching, and badass all around. Grats to Fantasy, super well played, but more impressed with JD honestly. I can't even imagine what it feels like to be a Zerg under that much continuous pressure all game - and in every game of the series. hard for me to imagine SC2 can have the type of swings and multi-tasking that happened in those games. | ||
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Szinkler
Hungary394 Posts
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Peeano
Netherlands4767 Posts
On August 08 2023 03:49 Szinkler wrote: The must watch game 3 if anyone missed it: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1891559968?t=3h52m13s Damn. That's a great + Show Spoiler + timing | ||
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RogerChillingworth
2822 Posts
On August 08 2023 02:41 Entaro[AoV] wrote: hard for me to imagine SC2 can have the type of swings and multi-tasking that happened in those games. BW is hard to top in this regard indeed. loved it | ||
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LUCKY_NOOB
Bulgaria1390 Posts
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4163 Posts
On August 08 2023 18:33 LUCKY_NOOB wrote: Sadly and surprisingly to me the SC2 was actually better than the BW in this case... no it wasn't.. especially not the play-offs | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
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TMNT
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Kespa1988
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Stream: https://play.afreecatv.com/mhj9171 Can somone add this to tl. BW streamer list? | ||
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Nirli
Bulgaria356 Posts
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LUCKY_NOOB
Bulgaria1390 Posts
On August 08 2023 21:26 M3t4PhYzX wrote: no it wasn't.. especially not the play-offs I've just seen the grand finals so far. BW finals were a murder in the wrong direction, while SC2 finals were a murder in the right direction AND I was never sure who would win. While in BW it looked and felt pretty one sided for most of the games... I hate that feeling. | ||
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ggsimida
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4163 Posts
On August 10 2023 15:57 ggsimida wrote: really like to see more of the sc2 players try their hands on serious BW for a while. if scarlett can be decent imagine how reynor and serral can do. weird that many more top korean sc2 players don't do it.. you can make so much money by streaming BW on afreeca.. especially if you're a known name. Much more stable than tournament winnings too. Kinda bizarre. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24260 Posts
On August 10 2023 16:47 M3t4PhYzX wrote: weird that many more top korean sc2 players don't do it.. you can make so much money by streaming BW on afreeca.. especially if you're a known name. Much more stable than tournament winnings too. Kinda bizarre. I’d imagine it’s pretty damn competitive to break into though. I mean hardcore BW fans have legends of that game still playing and lots of established characters. I’m not sure how much interest in that space there would be for an SC2 player trying to build themselves up. Apparently MC is pretty damn good, on the outskirts of ASL qualification good but I don’t know if she streams. Plus there’s always the possibility that the current SC2 crop either prefer SC2 over BW, or prefer the SC2 structure over BW’s. | ||
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TMNT
2471 Posts
On August 10 2023 18:29 WombaT wrote: I’d imagine it’s pretty damn competitive to break into though. I mean hardcore BW fans have legends of that game still playing and lots of established characters. I’m not sure how much interest in that space there would be for an SC2 player trying to build themselves up. Apparently MC is pretty damn good, on the outskirts of ASL qualification good but I don’t know if she streams. Plus there’s always the possibility that the current SC2 crop either prefer SC2 over BW, or prefer the SC2 structure over BW’s. MC is streaming. He's under the flag of the JSA university (one of the more popular SC universities). He also worn their T-shirt at Gamers8 if anyone noticed. He's Joker tier (lower than Scan - for comparison) - so not particularly strong. The thing is, transitioning from SC2 progamer to SC1 streamer is not that simple. If you're as good as Fantasy, it's pretty easy. You have a big fanbase already who will follow your stream no matter what, and you'll slot right in Major Proleague where the highest earners are. But if you're at MC's level, you'll get murdered even in K-League, so Proleague is not the way. The best way is to join one of the universities, do coaching for female streamers, participate in uni activities. For that you'll need a bit of talent in variety streaming, and some connections. And available spots are limited as well. So it's not that straightforward. Last year, Dear also made the transition. Couldn't qualify for ASL. He was in the Basford univ (Best as president), but after the university disbanded he kinda vanished from the SC1 scene. I think he's back to SC2 now. | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3341 Posts
So he had a solid pre-SC2 foundation. A lot of sc2 pro in Korea were already around for BW during Kespa but the younger ones not and so it d be hard for them to be relevant in BW in Korea. SC2 popularity is very low and few fans would transfer over. Since fans who both like sc2 and bw probably already have other BW players they prefer. For foreigners, it s not obvious the skills would transfer enough to be worth it in the korean system of streaming, little money in the "western" system outside China. | ||
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RJBTV
194 Posts
On August 11 2023 00:12 TMNT wrote: MC is streaming. He's under the flag of the JSA university (one of the more popular SC universities). He also worn their T-shirt at Gamers8 if anyone noticed. He's Joker tier (lower than Scan - for comparison) - so not particularly strong. The thing is, transitioning from SC2 progamer to SC1 streamer is not that simple. If you're as good as Fantasy, it's pretty easy. You have a big fanbase already who will follow your stream no matter what, and you'll slot right in Major Proleague where the highest earners are. But if you're at MC's level, you'll get murdered even in K-League, so Proleague is not the way. The best way is to join one of the universities, do coaching for female streamers, participate in uni activities. For that you'll need a bit of talent in variety streaming, and some connections. And available spots are limited as well. So it's not that straightforward. Last year, Dear also made the transition. Couldn't qualify for ASL. He was in the Basford univ (Best as president), but after the university disbanded he kinda vanished from the SC1 scene. I think he's back to SC2 now. dear won a jack tier tournament beating scan horang and hiya. after that he wasnt making enough money so he quit. TY has been in multiple qualifiers finals. True has been playing as BTS. Hyun and Ruin are from sc2 too. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4163 Posts
On August 10 2023 18:29 WombaT wrote: I’d imagine it’s pretty damn competitive to break into though. I mean hardcore BW fans have legends of that game still playing and lots of established characters. I’m not sure how much interest in that space there would be for an SC2 player trying to build themselves up. Apparently MC is pretty damn good, on the outskirts of ASL qualification good but I don’t know if she streams. Plus there’s always the possibility that the current SC2 crop either prefer SC2 over BW, or prefer the SC2 structure over BW’s. some, if not most of these guys used to play BW too like soO, Stats, Classic, TY aka BaBy, sOs.. etc shame.. but whatever I guess | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24260 Posts
On August 11 2023 23:44 M3t4PhYzX wrote: some, if not most of these guys used to play BW too like soO, Stats, Classic, TY aka BaBy, sOs.. etc shame.. but whatever I guess It would make sense for that crew being mostly pretty good BW pros who transferred to SC2 aye. If they fancied, think TY dabbled a bit that I watched Just dunno if the interest would be there audience wise for someone like Maru or Gumiho who are SC2 players first and foremost learning BW properly | ||
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