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Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2516 Posts
April 03 2023 12:16 GMT
#61
Huge misplay with the unprotected lurkers, he had a pretty solid position until those zealots a-moved 10 unprotected lurks.
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey741 Posts
April 03 2023 12:16 GMT
#62
Fantastic maelstroms!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50435 Posts
April 03 2023 12:18 GMT
#63
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Peeano
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Netherlands5147 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-04-03 12:19:46
April 03 2023 12:19 GMT
#64
Best upgrades ftw. I was worried when he ran 12-16 zealots into a mine field of lurkers earlier. He really didn't want to give Action any time to reinforce it and solidify a soft contain there.
FBH #1!
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-04-03 12:20:22
April 03 2023 12:19 GMT
#65
Is one DA with maelstrom new meta? BTW BeSt storms become so well, almost Jangbi good. If he plays like this, making hydra bust look like nothing he can take out any zerg.
sunbeams are never made like me...
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50435 Posts
April 03 2023 12:20 GMT
#66
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Simplistik
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2058 Posts
April 03 2023 12:20 GMT
#67
I was surprised by the gg timing.
Didn't action have a solid economy on four bases?
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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
April 03 2023 12:21 GMT
#68
On April 03 2023 21:20 Simplistik wrote:
I was surprised by the gg timing.
Didn't action have a solid economy on four bases?


TILTED.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5147 Posts
April 03 2023 12:22 GMT
#69
He did, but he had no simcity whatsoever I believe (I didn't see most of the game). He was also behind on upgrades and just lost the majority of his army.
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Bonyth
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland570 Posts
April 03 2023 12:23 GMT
#70
DA always an option when dealing against 973
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1193 Posts
April 03 2023 12:30 GMT
#71
On April 03 2023 21:19 Peeano wrote:
Best upgrades ftw. I was worried when he ran 12-16 zealots into a mine field of lurkers earlier. He really didn't want to give Action any time to reinforce it and solidify a soft contain there.


Getting armor upgrades so early was definitely a play this series. I think he had a read on Action and what he is going to do in the mid-game. Pretty good adjustment. Also that's one of the ways most P's lose to Zerg on that map.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13154 Posts
April 03 2023 14:01 GMT
#72
What a series, so happy for Best.

Can’t believe he won those games on HBR and Nemesis. I think I saw the supply diff in the nemesis game at 200 v 120 at one point. Incredible.
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Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2058 Posts
April 03 2023 16:06 GMT
#73
On April 03 2023 23:01 RowdierBob wrote:
What a series, so happy for Best.

Can’t believe he won those games on HBR and Nemesis. I think I saw the supply diff in the nemesis game at 200 v 120 at one point. Incredible.

I'm also quite impressed. Especially Nemesis, where he blew a big lead, but didn't crumble. Looking strong!
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RJBTV
Profile Joined December 2022
194 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-04-03 17:15:07
April 03 2023 17:14 GMT
#74
On April 03 2023 21:19 outscar wrote:
Is one DA with maelstrom new meta? BTW BeSt storms become so well, almost Jangbi good. If he plays like this, making hydra bust look like nothing he can take out any zerg.

Been Meta since early 2020 to stop muta strategies at the time. Then people moved away from Muta strategies back to hydra and the DA stayed.
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
April 03 2023 19:42 GMT
#75
37. That's how many probes have been killed by 2 lurkers in the initial attack in the second game. Best probably had less than 15 probes remaining at that point. Yet Action managed to throw the game and didn't even start a hive till the end of the game. That is some Zero-level throw the game. Certainly entertaining to watch
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Jenia6109
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Russian Federation1612 Posts
April 03 2023 19:57 GMT
#76
Best is Zest guys, Best is Zest. The legend of an autumn, one of the 6 dragons.
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8554 Posts
April 03 2023 21:37 GMT
#77
Damn what a series. It started out very bad in g1. Then best brought it back with incredible storms and the hero dark archon. Admittedly, Action's decision to force the killing blow so hard was questionable but Best read that very well and positioned amazingly. Game 3 was also crazy. I thought for sure Best was dead after his main base died but the late game protoss army is so strong. Game 4 was also on the edge and after the last battle Best had a huge advantage. That gg felt premature, especially when it's your last game in the series. Why not at least try to bring it back? You can still gg if you can't hold the counter-attack. Strange.

To be perfectly honest, the real reason why Best won this series is that he scouted so well in games 2-4 and always build the correct amount of defense (enough but not too much) to not die to early hydras. It's very hard to do that and many of the best Protosses could have easily died early here, in which case the series would have gone 3-0 for Action within 30 minutes or so... Late game protoss has always been extremely strong in PvZ. I still have nightmares of trying to fight lategame toss on Bluestorm... It just rarely gets to that point because Hydras.

And Dark Archons are underrated. Protosses never build them and if they build them, zergs ignore them...

On April 03 2023 21:20 Simplistik wrote:
I was surprised by the gg timing.
Didn't action have a solid economy on four bases?


Economy was solid I think but I think he realised Best was already on 2-2, probably 3-3 on the way. He might have stopped at 2-0, so extremely far behind in upgrades, and just lost his entire lurker force, no sunkens or sim city at his bases. So he was definitely in a rough spot but, as mentioned above, it was the last match in the series in case of a loss, so not trying to fight a little longer seems like an odd decision.
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States361 Posts
April 03 2023 22:30 GMT
#78
DUDE THE CROWD GOING WILD AT EVERY MAELSTROM DAMNNNN

Gonna be hard to top games 2 and 3 of this set in ASL15. The maelstrom usage on HBR was so slick, and almost mining out Nemesis was such a crazy situation. So happy for Best!!! Last Protoss hope looking super strong!
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2860 Posts
April 04 2023 00:05 GMT
#79
On April 04 2023 06:37 Miragee wrote:

To be perfectly honest, the real reason why Best won this series is that he scouted so well in games 2-4 and always build the correct amount of defense (enough but not too much) to not die to early hydras. It's very hard to do that and many of the best Protosses could have easily died early here, in which case the series would have gone 3-0 for Action within 30 minutes or so... Late game protoss has always been extremely strong in PvZ. I still have nightmares of trying to fight lategame toss on Bluestorm... It just rarely gets to that point because Hydras.


Amazing play from Best but honestly, if it wasn't Action who couldn't stop himself from suiciding hydras and drops nonstop for the killing blow, I don't think he could make those comebacks. You put a guy like Soulkey or Hero in those situations and it's 3-0 for Zerg.

It's ridiculous in this matchup that Action can opened with hydras to have a game ending threat, but could still transition out of it into a macro game where he had the lead. I mean, Best built the correct amount of cannons to survice - a difficult task in itself - only to continue the game in a position where he was expected to lose.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4211 Posts
April 04 2023 06:30 GMT
#80
Best ! ! ! ! ! ! !

yes! beautifully done!

An absolutely deserved ro4 appearance, so very happy for him ^^
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