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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8509 Posts
October 12 2021 20:25 GMT
#41
On October 12 2021 23:21 BisuDagger wrote:
That game 2 was amazing. Sorry played really great against his disadvantages in games 1 and 2. He has come a long way and I hope he keeps up the practice.


Yeah, game 2 was great. Good play by Mini in general, he was well prepared.
moktira *
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Ireland1543 Posts
October 12 2021 20:58 GMT
#42
When Mini was drawn with a Terran I was sure there's be no Protoss qualifying, great to see him win here. Three pretty mad games, really enjoyed them all, well played by Mini. Sorry to see Royal not do a bit better though, he's a great player. Still, love watching Mini, so aggressive and quite creative.
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Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6177 Posts
October 13 2021 01:18 GMT
#43
On October 12 2021 19:13 bovienchien wrote:
Why both players didn't pick GOOD NIGHT that is good for them.

They want maps that favours them
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey731 Posts
October 13 2021 06:44 GMT
#44
On October 13 2021 10:18 Piste wrote:
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On October 12 2021 19:13 bovienchien wrote:
Why both players didn't pick GOOD NIGHT that is good for them.

They want maps that favours them


Interesting that no pvt on this map yet on ASL 12.In general it seems p fav map.As Mini picked Lemon,Ascension it may be the case. As Ascension is 3 player map he may choose because of proxy gates and gas steal.
NotoriousSCV
Profile Joined September 2021
27 Posts
October 13 2021 10:37 GMT
#45
On October 12 2021 20:38 prosatan wrote:
I think mini has 55 % chances against zero! just a bit favorite agains him!


Did you watch their recent BO9? He smashed him! But hopefully he can still do it in a tournament. I certainly feel better with his PvZ than PvT, his vT is so weird
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8053 Posts
October 13 2021 11:34 GMT
#46
On October 13 2021 19:37 NotoriousSCV wrote:
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On October 12 2021 20:38 prosatan wrote:
I think mini has 55 % chances against zero! just a bit favorite agains him!


Did you watch their recent BO9? He smashed him! But hopefully he can still do it in a tournament. I certainly feel better with his PvZ than PvT, his vT is so weird

Please NotoriousSCV can you put a link ? I want to see the match !!
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8053 Posts
October 13 2021 11:35 GMT
#47
Wait wait ! I forgot !!

Saw the match but forgot it sorry !

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angry_maia
Profile Joined August 2020
314 Posts
October 13 2021 17:07 GMT
#48
Mini is truly Bisu's heir. Innovative incredible PvZ, solid PvP, and unreliable PvT. I know Mini just smashed Royal, but I really don't think he can beat either Light or Rush.
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6177 Posts
October 13 2021 17:38 GMT
#49
Beatiful protoss games by Mini. Too bad Sorry got 3-0'd, but Zero vs Mini will be exciting match.
Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1952 Posts
October 13 2021 18:19 GMT
#50
On October 14 2021 02:07 angry_maia wrote:
Mini is truly Bisu's heir. Innovative incredible PvZ, solid PvP, and unreliable PvT. I know Mini just smashed Royal, but I really don't think he can beat either Light or Rush.

I don't think his PvT is as bad as people say. They showed his stats from all the ASLs and in the past his PvT was abysmal, but recently he has a winning record, which also when he has become a better player.

Still, I don't know if he can beat Light. I think Rush would lose to Mini though. Rush sometimes has questionable decision making (like sometimes he just hesitates and does nothing), and I feel that against Mini, especially in the earlier game, this will get him killed.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19240 Posts
October 13 2021 18:42 GMT
#51
On October 14 2021 03:19 Just_a_Moth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2021 02:07 angry_maia wrote:
Mini is truly Bisu's heir. Innovative incredible PvZ, solid PvP, and unreliable PvT. I know Mini just smashed Royal, but I really don't think he can beat either Light or Rush.

I don't think his PvT is as bad as people say. They showed his stats from all the ASLs and in the past his PvT was abysmal, but recently he has a winning record, which also when he has become a better player.

Still, I don't know if he can beat Light. I think Rush would lose to Mini though. Rush sometimes has questionable decision making (like sometimes he just hesitates and does nothing), and I feel that against Mini, especially in the earlier game, this will get him killed.

Bisu had one of the highest elos in PvT, yet he was unreliable in the match up. I think that's where the comparison holds with Mini.
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8509 Posts
October 13 2021 18:44 GMT
#52
On October 14 2021 03:19 Just_a_Moth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2021 02:07 angry_maia wrote:
Mini is truly Bisu's heir. Innovative incredible PvZ, solid PvP, and unreliable PvT. I know Mini just smashed Royal, but I really don't think he can beat either Light or Rush.

I don't think his PvT is as bad as people say. They showed his stats from all the ASLs and in the past his PvT was abysmal, but recently he has a winning record, which also when he has become a better player.

Still, I don't know if he can beat Light. I think Rush would lose to Mini though. Rush sometimes has questionable decision making (like sometimes he just hesitates and does nothing), and I feel that against Mini, especially in the earlier game, this will get him killed.


Tbf on the flipside, just doing _something_ will definitely get you killed vs Mini, lol.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2734 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-13 19:01:19
October 13 2021 19:00 GMT
#53
Bisu and Mini PvT are "bad" mostly in comparison with their PvZ.

People say Bisu can't play PvT for instance, but at almost any point, Bisu had only negative record against Flash and Light which is of no shame.

Same for Mini recently, but the list extends to Rush. He had a healthy positive record against Royal in 2021 before the match yesterday, so it's not so much of a surprise.
Zeronova
Profile Joined September 2020
54 Posts
October 13 2021 20:08 GMT
#54
On October 14 2021 02:38 Piste wrote:
Beatiful protoss games by Mini. Too bad Sorry got 3-0'd, but Zero vs Mini will be exciting match.


Royal was an unfortunate but necessary and acceptable sacrifice
whylessness
Profile Joined November 2010
United States376 Posts
October 13 2021 20:16 GMT
#55
imo the most disgusting match in asl history was when brain took out soulkey with corsair/dt. asl 9 ro16 group c loser's match, game 2. bigger upset.

QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
October 14 2021 01:02 GMT
#56
Glad to see Mini put out a strong PvT. While I'd still favor Light or Rush in a potential finals, I'm a lot more confident than I was before that Mini can put up a decent series against them.
bovienchien
Profile Joined March 2014
Vietnam1152 Posts
October 14 2021 02:27 GMT
#57
On October 14 2021 10:02 QOGQOG wrote:
Glad to see Mini put out a strong PvT. While I'd still favor Light or Rush in a potential finals, I'm a lot more confident than I was before that Mini can put up a decent series against them.

Both these guys will be beat by 2 Zerg. Mini needs to win ZerO to avoid ZvZ in the final. But I think Mini can't do it one time again. He is just a cheese player. He is different from other cheeses at he knows when and where he should do it.
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Sirris
Profile Joined November 2019
681 Posts
October 14 2021 05:16 GMT
#58
On October 14 2021 11:27 bovienchien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2021 10:02 QOGQOG wrote:
Glad to see Mini put out a strong PvT. While I'd still favor Light or Rush in a potential finals, I'm a lot more confident than I was before that Mini can put up a decent series against them.

Both these guys will be beat by 2 Zerg. Mini needs to win ZerO to avoid ZvZ in the final. But I think Mini can't do it one time again. He is just a cheese player. He is different from other cheeses at he knows when and where he should do it.

Favoring a zerg against Light? A very bold prediction. I would say Light is favored against any Zerg.
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey731 Posts
October 14 2021 06:03 GMT
#59
I was wondering Royals game again Minis agro style.He did well imo.I am sure his game will step up with this kind of exp.

Regarding Minis pvt seems improving.He is working on weaknesses on Terran plays.His storm drops in combats are really efficient. Reaver micro is so good.He also prefer lots of zealots than dragons with hts. His play is different from other P like Snow,Best. Snow can not produce a strategy against Lights ultra defensive strategy. I am sure if it was mini he would storm drop with corsair+shuttle and we may see carrier switch.

Everyone expected Queen dominating Mini in ASL 11.Even when Queen gets first match the fear of zvz finals appeared.Yes Mini does cheese but also Flash did.He won by bunker rush,proxy racks etc.The thing is Queen seems can not produce counter against Minis play.I watched several proleague matches between Mini vs Queen recently.Mini has a winning record against Queen.

I am also waiting Hero beating Light.Light game is so predictable.Recall Hero beat Light in ASL 11.

My prediction is Mini vs Soma finals.
rararara
Profile Joined March 2021
115 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-14 07:23:28
October 14 2021 07:21 GMT
#60
What are some of you guys smoking, saying Sorry played really well?
I was shocked seeing him make so many bad decisions and micro blunders.
Got outsmarted bo-wise every single game, too.

A couple of ASLs ago he was predicted to be an up and coming superstar, but he has a long way to go mentally. I guess watching cherrypicked games on his YT-channel wonˋt give you the right picture (myself included!).

Props to Mini, amazing how he keeps pulling rabbits out of the hat at such a high level, as the only Protoss and in a 20-year old game. Incredible player.

Looking forward to the semis.
Zero got crushed badly by Mini, too last time - let‘s see if he can get some revenge.
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