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Recommended Games + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [Set 1] + the kind of game you don't want to see in the finals. + Show Spoiler [Set 2] + if you like watching someone pick their opponent apart piece by piece, this is the game for you. + Show Spoiler [Set 3] + big plays at the right time. + Show Spoiler [Set 4] + ![[image loading]](https://media1.tenor.com/images/23e0c630db24bcbae5594fb638af2e85/tenor.gif) + Show Spoiler [Set 5] + yes, well worth the watch + Show Spoiler [Set 6] + huge play, huge payoff + Show Spoiler [Set 7] + I highly recommend Korean commentary for this game. | ||
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On June 06 2021 16:00 rugmonkey wrote: What time does it start? Teamliquid says 1700 korean time but this thread says 1900 ![[image loading]](https://stimg.afreecatv.com/NORMAL_BBS/7/15524207/815060b0a3a411aa7.jpg) 1900KST, its the same everywhere else. | ||
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On June 06 2021 16:00 rugmonkey wrote: What time does it start? Teamliquid says 1700 korean time but this thread says 1900 In 2 hours and 40 minutes from now. In Romania at 13:00 PM and if you are in UK is at 11:00AM ! 2 hours behind! GG | ||
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 LB on Mini , heart on Larva ! | ||
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fuck sake.. these changes are killing me.. ;/ | ||
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On June 06 2021 17:20 Peeano wrote: Less than to get your food n drinks ready! HAAA  I drink some redbull !! | ||
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Not bad, but what about your snacks? I'm gonna cook myself some nice brunch, so brb! | ||
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On June 06 2021 18:28 prosatan wrote: On Sea's stream we see him (obviously) , Bisu and another player (maybe, don't recognize him)! I think they are waiting for the finals and the number of viewers is almost 46k ! It says Dopa, who is a famous LoL player | ||
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AAA I see, thanks for the info! | ||
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On June 06 2021 18:57 BLinD-RawR wrote: more like 35 because we'll get 30 minutes of interview. That's right   | ||
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We have: 50 k viewers - Sea almost 7k - ASL official Starcast - 120 Calm, Horang2,FBH , effort, zero , best and other streamers together 10k | ||
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60 k Sea and almost 13k on ASL official GOGO BW ! the best game ever !!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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Plus, he has this turtle style, different from Zero ! He will pose some problems to mini, i'm sure ! | ||
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that's INSANE BW FOREVER ! ! ! | ||
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On June 06 2021 19:25 M3t4PhYzX wrote: holy fuck.. easily 100k+ viewers on all the streams combined.. that's INSANE BW FOREVER ! ! ! +100k but only 500 for the English stream, doubt we will have English live commentary forever :| | ||
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If Mini wants to be called the 2nd Neo Revolutionist he should bring something to diminish the last stanging zerg. Do meta shift, cheese, turtle, backstab, all in, micro like it's your last day on earth but guys don't forget to macro - bring it on. Pervert fingernail protoss vs. Footstargamer with thicc beard HWAITING! | ||
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 will watch the VOD afterwardsHF all | ||
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On June 06 2021 19:51 M3t4PhYzX wrote: not watching this.. too stressful for me will watch the VOD afterwardsHF all GG GL HF !You'll find them right away M3t4PhYzX , for exemple, on Queen youtube channel ! | ||
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On June 06 2021 19:51 outscar wrote: What the hell, Sea almost reaching 100K viewers himself alone (ofc Bisu there too). Amazing ! and 30k on ASL official | ||
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 For example : On FS locations at 7 and 1 | ||
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he makes cannons in his main | ||
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![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/kLqsJeh.jpg) 180K viewers！ | ||
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i don't know how many storms mini has left | ||
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GG | ||
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lost 2 corsairs, didnt scout hydras enough, bled so many HTs and couldnt convert his 8 gate timing advantage, no harass, got his 4 oclock secret expo scouted... | ||
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On June 06 2021 20:05 konadora wrote: mini also made so many sloppy mistakes in that game tbh lost 2 corsairs, didnt scout hydras enough, bled so many HTs and couldnt convert his 8 gate timing advantage, no harass, got his 4 oclock secret expo scouted... Yes, kona, 100 % agree ! | ||
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RedBull for me today ! | ||
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On June 06 2021 20:06 prosatan wrote: HOT 6 mmmmmmmmm!!!!! RedBull for me today ! Beer | ||
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Mini - top right Larva - top left | ||
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On June 06 2021 20:08 shakigami wrote: lol, what does that hair dryer mean? Larva needs to brush off protoss blood from his hands. | ||
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On June 06 2021 20:03 outscar wrote: Aww Mini looks sad... He looks ready for mommy's hug in typical Mini fashion. ^^ | ||
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HAA!! too early for beer outscar, here in Romania | ||
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On June 06 2021 20:14 kaspa84 wrote: Damm, I wake up 8 AM but stream doesn't open and Mini seems to be losing badly. Though luck, mine. Try different streams kaspa84! I don't know if pros are restreaming on youtube. You can try there too to see these good games live ! | ||
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the mutas were supposed to stop the speedlots but the 2 stargate really helped seal the deal for mini | ||
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2-1 GG mini | ||
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On June 06 2021 20:15 prosatan wrote: Try different streams kaspa84! I don't know if pros are restreaming on youtube. You can try there too to see these good games live ! I can't find nothing, but thanks for the suggestion. By the way, even though Larva has been my favorite Zerg for years, I still would find hard to see a Protists being trashed like that. | ||
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On June 06 2021 20:11 prosatan wrote: 12 nexus ! I am afraid to try this on the ladder You shouldn't be. 12 nexus is broken and toss should be doing it 50% of games. Zerg has to pool before overlord to counter which they rarely do (since it puts them way behind forge fe / gate fe) | ||
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Those 2 drone losses to zealot harass hurt | ||
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Edit, nvmd got confused as to which map it was | ||
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2-2 !!! | ||
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On June 06 2021 20:17 konadora wrote: mini floating almost 1k minerals LMAO Boy you should watch Artosis more, 1k is nothing | ||
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That drone kill!! WHAT!!! | ||
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On June 06 2021 20:53 konadora wrote: mini really needs to expand lol Impossible given the disadvantage he was in. Mini knows that :| | ||
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I have to imagine Mini has a build specifically built to counter Larva's turtle style on the high ground that has looked broken so far. Maybe now is the yolo 2 gate | ||
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On June 06 2021 20:57 TaardadAiel wrote: Five mutas MVP Yeah, a whole mineral line + huge overreaction on the number of corsairs, it was a slow death animation after that. | ||
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On June 06 2021 21:00 LpTraxamillion wrote: Mini displays tilt on cam but doesn't let it affect his play lately. This certainly isn't over with FS the last map. Although Larva should be a solid favorite to close it out on UB here. I have to imagine Mini has a build specifically built to counter Larva's turtle style on the high ground that has looked broken so far. Maybe now is the yolo 2 gate Maybe he can go full Rain, take the rest of the map and die banging his head in larva's defense. No, wait, he won't, he can't macro like that. :/ | ||
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On June 06 2021 21:01 nojok wrote: Yeah, a whole mineral line + huge overreaction on the number of corsairs, it was a slow death animation after that. How many probes did Mini actually lose there, did Mini just not react? | ||
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On June 06 2021 21:03 LpTraxamillion wrote: How many probes did Mini actually lose there, did Mini just not react? The camera was not on it but given the supply drop, the whole line was lost, the main had a a normal amount of probes when the corsairs arrived and the natural was empty. | ||
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On June 06 2021 20:49 reincremate wrote: Looks like we'll be getting proper late game this time around. dang was i wrong lol | ||
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On June 06 2021 21:08 LpTraxamillion wrote: Disagree with commentary that 12 nex was a risky build here. 12 nex was Mini's most likely build by far especially given Larva's playstyle so far this map Yes, 12 nexus is viable here | ||
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Mini is angry !! | ||
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GAME 7 OMG !!!!!!!!! | ||
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but to put all your hopes into a shuttle and just drive the shuttle into a big hydra force.. | ||
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Easy to say in retrospect but I think larva should have rolled the dice on 9pool Especially after seeing mini pick UB himself | ||
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On June 06 2021 21:17 konadora wrote: btw fun fact but if you watch the korean cast, you'll realise they keep saying "gulliver" from gulliver's travels, because gulliver sounds like gul-reaver, which is an amalgamation of the words "walking" and "reaver" aka shuttle-less reaver Them big-endians aint shit | ||
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![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/7nBS5pt.png) Viewer count hype! | ||
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THE BALLS OF THIS MAN | ||
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GATES | ||
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On June 06 2021 21:22 konadora wrote: holy shit thank god larva went 10pool, if he went 12 hatch its gg LOL I was like immediately rip larva but this is not the worst. | ||
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On June 06 2021 21:21 konadora wrote: CENTER GATE BY MINI THE BALLS OF THIS MAN What a pervert  | ||
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CUS THERES NOTHING AT MINI'S BASE LMAO | ||
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On June 06 2021 21:23 outscar wrote: WTF is that hatchery, Larva styling? if the zealots hold larva's ramp, that hatchery can make lings and attack mini's base | ||
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On June 06 2021 21:24 konadora wrote: if the zealots hold larva's ramp, that hatchery can make lings and attack mini's base and THATS EXACTLY WHAT LARVA IS DOING NOW | ||
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On June 06 2021 21:24 konadora wrote: if the zealots hold larva's ramp, that hatchery can make lings and attack mini's base Fucking genius! | ||
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FLOOD THE LINGS | ||
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LARVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA | ||
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when flash was enlisted to the military, larva told flash "looks like i'll have to take up the mantle now" and he's finally succeeded | ||
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But i am so glad for Larva !!!!! | ||
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On June 06 2021 21:28 konadora wrote: man the words of larva hits home even harder when flash was enlisted to the military, larva told flash "looks like i'll have to take up the mantle now" and he's finally succeeded He protected the throne. | ||
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Throne of Flash !!!! | ||
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LpTraxamillion
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On June 06 2021 21:23 outscar wrote: WTF is that hatchery, Larva styling? It was to get around the ramp block he knew was coming | ||
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oxKnu
1158 Posts
On June 06 2021 21:30 nojok wrote: Let's be honest, BW is better off without Flash. Yep. This is actually how BW should look like, full of excitement, mindgames and unpredictability. | ||
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chillzzz
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konadora
Singapore66155 Posts
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outscar
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On June 06 2021 21:28 konadora wrote: man the words of larva hits home even harder when flash was enlisted to the military, larva told flash "looks like i'll have to take up the mantle now" and he's finally succeeded Not only FlaSh but his daughter will be proud. I really really wanna hope Larva can show this performance next season and won't fade away. McGregor Zerg, Footstargamer hwaiting! | ||
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Alessandro74
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You could smell the 2 Proxy Gate from miles away... and Larva knew it | ||
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AzaghalsMask
Switzerland23 Posts
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
But man, what does a guy have to do to bet against Zerg in a finals and win? I'm a simple man :/ | ||
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konadora
Singapore66155 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4122 Posts
On June 06 2021 21:30 nojok wrote: Let's be honest, BW is better off without Flash. No its not, we are lucky to get to witness Flash's level of dominance which will likely never be repeated again. | ||
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weiliem
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Duke_nk
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whylessness
United States376 Posts
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LpTraxamillion
251 Posts
On June 06 2021 21:29 ggsimida wrote: if u tell me larva will become asl champ 5-6 years ago i will rofl gg Same lol. He stepped it up this season and is finally playing his A game on stage. He was taking games off flash many years ago (and had the best ZvT online at one point) but would always choke on lan. Great composure in this finals. Definitely happy for Larva. The Zerg reign continues. Best finals since Effort Flash? | ||
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ggsimida
1146 Posts
On June 06 2021 21:34 Dante08 wrote: [/B]nojok wrote: Let's be honest, BW is better off without Flash. No its not, we are lucky to get to witness Flash's level of dominance which will likely never be repeated again.[/QUOTE] yeah its like saying basketball is better off without lebron or soccer is better off without messi/ronaldo. dumbest comment | ||
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outscar
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LpTraxamillion
251 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66155 Posts
On June 06 2021 21:38 LpTraxamillion wrote: That combover is jank lol chat literally going "cow licked his hair" | ||
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
On June 06 2021 21:34 Dante08 wrote: No its not, we are lucky to get to witness Flash's level of dominance which will likely never be repeated again. Exactly, and Flash spiced things up quite a lot when he played random. It got people interested to see how far he'd go. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66155 Posts
gg wp all | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria3734 Posts
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LpTraxamillion
251 Posts
On June 06 2021 21:30 nojok wrote: Let's be honest, BW is better off without Flash. Don't really agree with that. It's not like he won over 50% of tournaments. Zero won the last 2 he was active (although one he played R). I don't think Broodwar needs him and his absence opens up opportunities for other but he is a net positive to the scene for a number of reasons. Him leaving for two years is hype though because of the comeback storyline when he returns from military | ||
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prosatan
Romania7792 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4122 Posts
On June 06 2021 21:33 Alessandro74 wrote: Does anyone thinks (besides me) that Mini did the most obvious thing in the last game? I mean, ffs. What a throw... You could smell the 2 Proxy Gate from miles away... and Larva knew it Yeah but props to Larva having the balls to go 9 pool on a game 7. If Mini opened standard he would have been way behind. | ||
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whylessness
United States376 Posts
On June 06 2021 21:37 outscar wrote: Hey Kevin the GOAT CEO, how about you will make Tastosis stream comeback next ASL? We wanna watch english commentary live pls. I think Tastosis were teasing a big announcement in the Mini vs. Zero ro4 match video... they mentioned a lot of meetings, but nothing is confirmed or announced as of yet. | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4220 Posts
On June 06 2021 21:37 outscar wrote: Hey Kevin the GOAT CEO, how about you will make Tastosis stream comeback next ASL? We wanna watch english commentary live pls. I watched in english and live today. What do you mean? | ||
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outscar
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LpTraxamillion
251 Posts
On June 06 2021 21:33 Alessandro74 wrote: Does anyone thinks (besides me) that Mini did the most obvious thing in the last game? I mean, ffs. What a throw... You could smell the 2 Proxy Gate from miles away... and Larva knew it I knew it was coming in one of the last 3 games. Larva thought that or nex was very likely so he made a nice hard read I do feel like it was kind of a cop out from Mini to 2gate. Maybe the pressure got to him. He would have been favored on FS in a straight up game whereas he instead decided to gamble on something that I imagine displays a lower winrate in that spot long term | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
On June 06 2021 21:41 KobraKay wrote: I watched in english and live today. What do you mean? Talking about Tastosis doing live ASL casts again rather than having to cast the VODs. Which lots of people want back. | ||
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Ikirouta
Finland727 Posts
On June 06 2021 21:37 outscar wrote: Hey Kevin the GOAT CEO, how about you will make Tastosis stream comeback next ASL? We wanna watch english commentary live pls. nyoken + scan is live, wdym? | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/w6JdSAE.jpg) | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
Yeah I know props to them but my cup of tea is Tastosis and I want them back. | ||
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xccam
Great Britain1150 Posts
On June 06 2021 21:33 Alessandro74 wrote: Does anyone thinks (besides me) that Mini did the most obvious thing in the last game? I mean, ffs. What a throw... You could smell the 2 Proxy Gate from miles away... and Larva knew it I think that if he had done a standard build and lost to a greedy zerg build people would have criticised that. If he hadn't done a 2 gate would you have said 'wow I was sure he would 2gate'? No. Commenters only comment when they 'knew'. He took a risk and it got shut down. Such is life. Well played by both. | ||
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Alessandro74
5 Posts
On June 06 2021 21:43 LpTraxamillion wrote: I knew it was coming in one of the last 3 games. Larva thought that or nex was very likely so he made a nice hard read I do feel like it was kind of a cop out from Mini to 2gate. Maybe the pressure got to him. He would have been favored on FS in a straight up game whereas he instead decided to gamble on something that I imagine displays a lower winrate in that spot long term I think Mini handled quite good the first zergling attack, but he was too greedy to not building a forge in base or at least keeping 2 Zeals blocking his ramp, knowing that an ling bust was incoming. Still, everything could be handled if he played standard  Props to Larva, but I wanted to see Mini as a champ tbh. ASL 7, KSL 4 and now. It's a bit sad. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On June 06 2021 21:47 outscar wrote: This is an amazing image but the fact the pictures are all out of order are triggering haha | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On June 06 2021 21:43 LpTraxamillion wrote: I knew it was coming in one of the last 3 games. Larva thought that or nex was very likely so he made a nice hard read I do feel like it was kind of a cop out from Mini to 2gate. Maybe the pressure got to him. He would have been favored on FS in a straight up game whereas he instead decided to gamble on something that I imagine displays a lower winrate in that spot long term Yes, good read from Larva. Although I felt that Larva's main aim of going fast pool was to punish or pressure a greedy nexus first opener by mini rather than proxy gates. Agreed that mini shouldn't cop out either. He should've expected that Larva would likely go early pool to punish his greedy play as well. And why go for such a coin toss at G7? Anyway, both players delivered a good series. A late game PvZ for G7 would've been the cherry on the cake. But seeing how both players went hard on mind games and ballsy strats, G7 was the natural culmination of the whole series (although rather anti-climatic). | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On June 06 2021 21:47 outscar wrote: Yeah I know props to them but my cup of tea is Tastosis and I want them back. Then why didn't you say that instead of pretending there wasn't an English commentary live, and a good one at that. | ||
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Galacsia
Chile157 Posts
On June 06 2021 22:05 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Then why didn't you say that instead of pretending there wasn't an English commentary live, and a good one at that. It really is good! I hope that even if Tastosis get their gig back, NyoScan still live cast the next tournaments. | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
On June 06 2021 22:05 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Then why didn't you say that instead of pretending there wasn't an English commentary live, and a good one at that. Yep, this, let's not have the thread derail into more Tastosis fanboy spam, the stream we had was great Great set, congrats to Larva and commiserations to Mini | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands4893 Posts
Tastosis may be big fans of BW, but they're mainly in it for the money (which is not too surprising, as casting is their profession). The latter being very apparent when they first started casting BW again and didn't even know what half of the units are called anymore, nor had any idea about how the game is played. It was really painful to watch, especially since Tasteless' casting on GomTV is what got me hooked me on watching Korean BW back in the day. I for one really enjoyed Nyoken and Scan's casting. They understand the game at a very high level and are also well informed with the almost all of BW's history, unlike Tastosis. It feels like Tastosis are just doing their thing in their own bubble, only interested in promoting their own brand. I even saw Tasteless streaming himself playing BW during the live ASL Final. That felt really awkward to say the least, kinda disrespectful actually. I really needed to get that off of my chest. /end rant | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands4893 Posts
On June 06 2021 21:56 Qikz wrote: This is an amazing image but the fact the pictures are all out of order are triggering haha They are in order by amount of wins first, and by order of ASL second. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4168 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia12999 Posts
Mini will no doubt be regretting his build choice in game 7. I'd wager Larva was anticipating a gate expand build from Mini like that others and was pleasantly surprised when it turned out to be a 2 gate proxy. In saying that, I'm sure Mini studied Larva's play a lot on that map and no doubt he expos before pool 9 times out of 10. Larva won the mind games though. | ||
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Crimson)S(hadow
Philippines526 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21538 Posts
Without them I likely would not have watched this ASL at all. | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On June 06 2021 22:41 Peeano wrote: Seeing all this Tastosis talk on TL, it would color them well if they inform their fanbase a bit better about TL and BW's community. Tastosis may be big fans of BW, but they're mainly in it for the money (which is not too surprising, as casting is their profession). The latter being very apparent when they first started casting BW again and didn't even know what half of the units are called anymore, nor had any idea about how the game is played. It was really painful to watch, especially since Tasteless' casting on GomTV is what got me hooked me on watching Korean BW back in the day. I for one really enjoyed Nyoken and Scan's casting. They understand the game at a very high level and are also well informed with the almost all of BW's history, unlike Tastosis. It feels like Tastosis are just doing their thing in their own bubble, only interested in promoting their own brand. I even saw Tasteless streaming himself playing BW during the live ASL Final. That felt really awkward to say the least, kinda disrespectful actually. I really needed to get that off of my chest. /end rant Couldn't agree more. I always watch the ASL with korean commentary but I'll probably give Nyoken and Scan a shot eventually. | ||
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ERSJ
Sweden57 Posts
Is there by any chance a ASL11 Spotify playlist..? | ||
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Hollow
Canada2180 Posts
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angry_maia
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hiro protagonist
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Congratulations to Larva. Great series. Even though Mini didn’t win, I think that he has made significant progress in improving his mentality. I think he has it in him to win it all, hopefully he knows this. Also stoked that Larva said he plans to chose interesting games during seeding as opposed to easy matchs. That’s been one of my gripes for awhile, so I’m happy he feels the same way | ||
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weiliem
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arbiter_md
Moldova1219 Posts
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Marl
United States692 Posts
also thanks to scan and nyoken for their live casting. I feel like I've learned more listening to their casts especially regarding timing windows. I don't know why tastosis refused to cast live even though people patreon'd them. | ||
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mcmartini
Australia1972 Posts
On June 06 2021 22:41 Peeano wrote: Seeing all this Tastosis talk on TL, it would color them well if they inform their fanbase a bit better about TL and BW's community. Tastosis may be big fans of BW, but they're mainly in it for the money (which is not too surprising, as casting is their profession). The latter being very apparent when they first started casting BW again and didn't even know what half of the units are called anymore, nor had any idea about how the game is played. It was really painful to watch, especially since Tasteless' casting on GomTV is what got me hooked me on watching Korean BW back in the day. I for one really enjoyed Nyoken and Scan's casting. They understand the game at a very high level and are also well informed with the almost all of BW's history, unlike Tastosis. It feels like Tastosis are just doing their thing in their own bubble, only interested in promoting their own brand. I even saw Tasteless streaming himself playing BW during the live ASL Final. That felt really awkward to say the least, kinda disrespectful actually. I really needed to get that off of my chest. /end rant They offered to cast without pay this season, they took a pay cut for the last season when they wanted to cancel it….I don’t think they’re in it just for the money at all. The fact they they had cast another game for years before coming back to cast BW probably has something to do with that, I think it’s really in unfair to say they’re only in it for the money. If they were in it just for the money could drop BW and just focus on the other games they have English casting jobs for. Also play those more popular games then stream BW. Tasteless and Artosis are also both not watching the games before casting them, so maybe that’s likely why Tasteless was streaming then. It’s not like him streaming stopped anyone watching the finals so how is that disrespectful? | ||
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Improvement
203 Posts
On June 06 2021 22:41 Peeano wrote: Seeing all this Tastosis talk on TL, it would color them well if they inform their fanbase a bit better about TL and BW's community. Tastosis may be big fans of BW, but they're mainly in it for the money (which is not too surprising, as casting is their profession). The latter being very apparent when they first started casting BW again and didn't even know what half of the units are called anymore, nor had any idea about how the game is played. It was really painful to watch, especially since Tasteless' casting on GomTV is what got me hooked me on watching Korean BW back in the day. I for one really enjoyed Nyoken and Scan's casting. They understand the game at a very high level and are also well informed with the almost all of BW's history, unlike Tastosis. It feels like Tastosis are just doing their thing in their own bubble, only interested in promoting their own brand. I even saw Tasteless streaming himself playing BW during the live ASL Final. That felt really awkward to say the least, kinda disrespectful actually. I really needed to get that off of my chest. /end rant Gotta agree with you, next season I want Scan & Nyoken again. | ||
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A.Alm
Sweden508 Posts
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TMNT
2556 Posts
On June 07 2021 05:17 Marl wrote: what a let down by mini - reputation as a choker cemented even though he made it to game 7 in the finals. Don't remember Mini having a choker reputation any time. People seem to abuse this term so much that sometimes it feels like any player who loses is a choker. For starters, one must lose to a player he's supposed to win to be considered a choker. I don't think Mini is favorite to win this tournament at all, nor is he favorite against Larva. If anything, Mini subverted expectation to go all the way to the last game of the final. | ||
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Lazyer
United States341 Posts
Scan + Nyoken really grew on me. They seem knowledgeable of the current meta and paying attention to the fine grain details- and as long as their connection is good, I'd tune in again. Only exception is pointing out Mini's thumbnail which I can't seem to forget as much as I try. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia12999 Posts
If Larva goes the standard early expo, Mini wins there like 90%. It's debateable whether he should have taken such a big risk in such a big game, but he isn't blindly doing that build. FS is an ideal map for Larva's muta turtle into hydra style so Mini is no doubt taking a big, but educated risk, on Larva's opener. From Larva's side, I reckon he was preparing for Mini going 1 gate expand (as he had been most of his games). His 9 pool can do a lot of damage to that and if Mini goes proxy gates (which obv happened) it's an auto win for him. So it makes a lot of sense for him to 9 pool there. It was fortunate for him Mini chose the build his 9 pool gets an auto win against. But that's not a choke from Mini. A choke would've been if Larva went the early expo and Mini somehow bottled it having gone the proxy gates. | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2384 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66155 Posts
On June 07 2021 10:34 RowdierBob wrote: Mini didn't choke. He went for the BO win and whether by luck or design, Larva countered it perfectly. If Larva goes the standard early expo, Mini wins there like 90%. It's debateable whether he should have taken such a big risk in such a big game, but he isn't blindly doing that build. FS is an ideal map for Larva's muta turtle into hydra style so Mini is no doubt taking a big, but educated risk, on Larva's opener. From Larva's side, I reckon he was preparing for Mini going 1 gate expand (as he had been most of his games). His 9 pool can do a lot of damage to that and if Mini goes proxy gates (which obv happened) it's an auto win for him. So it makes a lot of sense for him to 9 pool there. It was fortunate for him Mini chose the build his 9 pool gets an auto win against. But that's not a choke from Mini. A choke would've been if Larva went the early expo and Mini somehow bottled it having gone the proxy gates. exactly, calling it a throw or choke is doing the risk taking that mini decided to take a disservice. he went for a high risk high reward play and didnt work out. if it worked out, all the doubters here would be calling him “lucky” or 5Head lmao cant please everyone | ||
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MapleLeafSirup
Germany950 Posts
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Terrorbladder
2717 Posts
On June 06 2021 21:32 oxKnu wrote: BW without Flash is lolzergwinseverything.Yep. This is actually how BW should look like, full of excitement, mindgames and unpredictability. | ||
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Terrorbladder
2717 Posts
On June 06 2021 22:41 Peeano wrote: This should be very obvious. I barely play any BW and I can read who's gonna win better than Artosis who probably plays the game every day. He would say "Oh X can still have a chance to win if he does Y and Z" when the game is obviously over for X (say Zerg has a control group of mutas while Terran only has a few turrets + marines standing and crippled production) and X taps out 20 seconds afterwards. It's really grating on the listener because it has kept happening again and again. I also much prefer listening to Scan/Nyoken because they understand the thought process of players.Seeing all this Tastosis talk on TL, it would color them well if they inform their fanbase a bit better about TL and BW's community. Tastosis may be big fans of BW, but they're mainly in it for the money (which is not too surprising, as casting is their profession). The latter being very apparent when they first started casting BW again and didn't even know what half of the units are called anymore, nor had any idea about how the game is played. It was really painful to watch, especially since Tasteless' casting on GomTV is what got me hooked me on watching Korean BW back in the day. I for one really enjoyed Nyoken and Scan's casting. They understand the game at a very high level and are also well informed with the almost all of BW's history, unlike Tastosis. It feels like Tastosis are just doing their thing in their own bubble, only interested in promoting their own brand. I even saw Tasteless streaming himself playing BW during the live ASL Final. That felt really awkward to say the least, kinda disrespectful actually. I really needed to get that off of my chest. /end rant | ||
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Highgamer
1400 Posts
edit: OMG, just now saw the nostalgia-outro.  They really know how to put these together to make you crack. | ||
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Broodwar4lyf
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19214 Posts
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dOofuS
United States342 Posts
On June 06 2021 22:41 Peeano wrote: I for one really enjoyed Nyoken and Scan's casting. They understand the game at a very high level and are also well informed with the almost all of BW's history, unlike Tastosis. I had to dust off this account to point out how absurd it is to suggest that Tastosis are not well informed on BW's history. Enjoyed the series. | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands4893 Posts
Happy to have you back! | ||
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Oya187
50 Posts
Majority of the time Tastosis talk about irrelevant stuff and completely miss out on whats happening in the game, they are more concerned about being stand up comedians than actual Brood War casters. I recall so many times where the game had went on for like 3-5 minutes and Tastosis were clueless about what happened in the game, didnt know who was in advantage and completely missed the builds the players went for because they were occupied with talking about other things. It makes the watching experience worse for me when they are talking about something irrelevant which doesnt sync with whats happening on the screen. On the other hand, Scan and Nyoken doesnt miss a beat, you could basically be blind and listen to Scans and Nyokens cast and still be able to comprehend whats going on in the game. I really enjoyed Scan and Nyoken casts alot more, they have done a great job and I hope that they continue casting. | ||
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orth0dox
28 Posts
Ever since Artosis started playing starcraft 1 again, it drastically improved, now at least one of them has anything to say about what's going on, but, sadly, Tasteless is still lost most of the time, unless its translation time, where he shines. In short I would prefer ANY stream in language I understand to Tastosis, and Nyoken+Scan was incredibly good too. Sure, Scan may not be as fluent in commentary as english native speakers, but I can tell he's trying to improve (e.g. I no longer hear his pet phrase: "I also want to point out..."). But what's much more important his expertise is invaluable, and he often gives very accurate insights on what happened or going to happen, exactly what caster should do. I can't even think of single thing i would complain about Nyoken, which means he did brilliantly. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19214 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49986 Posts
On June 07 2021 23:54 BisuDagger wrote: To add to the caster debate, I gotta say the Korean casters were brilliant in this finals. The brought amazing energy and got excited constantly throughout these games. My wife and baby daughter had a great time hearing them yell across the house. but what did lil dagger have to say? | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19214 Posts
He wasn't at home while I watched the finals. But usually he is busy playing with my Starcraft Risk Set while I work. | ||
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
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Starecat
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outscar
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Timebon3s
Norway645 Posts
If you take a look at Tastosis’ YouTube uploads from this ASL, you see tens of thousands of views within minutes of the upload, and the YouTube comments are very positive. You don’t have to be extremely knowledgeable about the game to enjoy watching it, and their cast is better IMO for more casual viewer, while hardcore bw fans would naturally appreciate Nyoken and Scans in depth casting. This place has always been hard on commentators anyway, so don’t read too much into it. What personally annoyed me is the delay of the videos without any communication to the community of why it’s so delayed, especially since they got over 10k from said community. It wouldn’t have killed them to make an announcement of some sort. Feels lazy. | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway645 Posts
On June 08 2021 05:54 Starecat wrote: Source for finals VOD? Artosis is taking a billion years to post videos I went for Scan cast. Same here. Found it on Afreeca: https://m.afreecatv.com/dth03119/video/13226099/73482232/home | ||
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Leonix
161 Posts
On June 08 2021 11:00 Timebon3s wrote: Keep in mind that this is an extremely elitist site. If you take a look at Tastosis’ YouTube uploads from this ASL, you see tens of thousands of views within minutes of the upload, and the YouTube comments are very positive. You don’t have to be extremely knowledgeable about the game to enjoy watching it, and their cast is better IMO for more casual viewer, while hardcore bw fans would naturally appreciate Nyoken and Scans in depth casting. This place has always been hard on commentators anyway, so don’t read too much into it. What personally annoyed me is the delay of the videos without any communication to the community of why it’s so delayed, especially since they got over 10k from said community. It wouldn’t have killed them to make an announcement of some sort. Feels lazy. WTF... No communication ? Joke ? I dont even watch their casts ... THey annouced everything on their twitch channels, and Casts ... They delay because they get the vods later raw and can post it on the afreeca channel, so it is avaible for eternity... And since they have a twitch partnership or whatever they cant just commentate or something on afreeca Website directly. They can only do it via youtube... Either way, from the beginning it was clear that delays will happen... Why are you surprised lol ... If you really cared about the fact that they are delayed, you already would known it lol ... Afreeca doesnt want to let them commentate on a other streaming service live... Afreeca= Streaming service... Something like that anyway... So in that regard there was more than rumors, but maybe they didnt display it that openly... If that is the case, kind of sad... I agree. | ||
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Rus_Brain
Russian Federation1893 Posts
On June 07 2021 22:13 BisuDagger wrote: And one of the most precise, considering the final score This might have been the closest LB finals in history. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
I'm so happy for Larva, the madman has finally made it! On June 07 2021 23:03 Oya187 wrote: Scan + Nyoken are far better casters than Tastosis imo. The in-depth game & player knowledge that Nyoken and Scan provide is miles ahead. Tastosis feels more like a podcast than a starcraft commentary/cast. Majority of the time Tastosis talk about irrelevant stuff and completely miss out on whats happening in the game, they are more concerned about being stand up comedians than actual Brood War casters. I recall so many times where the game had went on for like 3-5 minutes and Tastosis were clueless about what happened in the game, didnt know who was in advantage and completely missed the builds the players went for because they were occupied with talking about other things. It makes the watching experience worse for me when they are talking about something irrelevant which doesnt sync with whats happening on the screen. On the other hand, Scan and Nyoken doesnt miss a beat, you could basically be blind and listen to Scans and Nyokens cast and still be able to comprehend whats going on in the game. I really enjoyed Scan and Nyoken casts alot more, they have done a great job and I hope that they continue casting. yes Tastosis really make me laugh and they excel at that, but they cater more to casual viewers. Scan and Nyoken are super sharp and they're watching for the tiniest of details (imo) and they keep their eye on the gas and all the little spots on the map. They are more dedicated to the game and I think they deserve the spot more. I've been rooting for Nyoken ever since I watched his youtube casts. Whereas Tastosis have constantly had to admit they weren't paying attention to what the opening even was. On June 06 2021 21:33 konadora wrote: "i said this in the ro8, but i honestly worked so hard for this ASL thinking "life is shit if i drop out now". best, stork (and a few other players, i didnt catch them) helped me so much out with practice, and huge thanks to my wife for supporting me through my life journey. and honestly, i had lots of messages from my fans and subscribers, but because i didn't want to get too much in emotions, i didn't even reply any DMs for the last 3 days and just practiced. i'm so grateful for all the support and love, and hope you continue to support me." On June 06 2021 21:28 konadora wrote: man the words of larva hits home even harder when flash was enlisted to the military, larva told flash "looks like i'll have to take up the mantle now" and he's finally succeeded On June 06 2021 21:34 TaardadAiel wrote: I gotta hand it to larva, he was a punching bag for Flash and Last, he was crying and humping the huge Pikachu in his room on stream after he lost 8 in a row to JD... And now he's the ASL champ. Hard work evidently does pay off. But man, what does a guy have to do to bet against Zerg in a finals and win? I'm a simple man :/ yea T_T I've rooting for him for several years, his day has finally come | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32273 Posts
On June 06 2021 21:47 outscar wrote: Yeah I know props to them but my cup of tea is Tastosis and I want them back. *outscar derails the thread* Some users: "We prefer Nyoken & Scan" On June 08 2021 06:15 outscar wrote: Wow, so much hate for Tastosis out of nowhere. I only pointed out that I wanted them back to watch them live and then this thread exploded. I don't know if me or you guys derailing this finals thread into Tastosis hate thread. I know they were so bad when they started casting that Bisu vs. EffOrt finals on VANT but we used to watch them for 10 seasons straight and they're becoming better. Why you even need to bring this out of nowhere now? Jeez didn't think there were so many haters here, it's like Tastosis is a trigger word for them. | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway645 Posts
On June 08 2021 15:05 Leonix wrote: WTF... No communication ? Joke ? I dont even watch their casts ... THey annouced everything on their twitch channels, and Casts ... They delay because they get the vods later raw and can post it on the afreeca channel, so it is avaible for eternity... And since they have a twitch partnership or whatever they cant just commentate or something on afreeca Website directly. They can only do it via youtube... Either way, from the beginning it was clear that delays will happen... Why are you surprised lol ... If you really cared about the fact that they are delayed, you already would known it lol ... Afreeca doesnt want to let them commentate on a other streaming service live... Afreeca= Streaming service... Something like that anyway... So in that regard there was more than rumors, but maybe they didnt display it that openly... If that is the case, kind of sad... I agree. Well I knew about those things, and the delays wasn't that bad, but the latest games are exetremely late, and that's due to Afreeca moving offices apparently. Which might be a rumor I dont know, but apparently Artosis said that on some stream. If that's the case, then fine, but at least tell the community in a better way than just a random mention on his twitch stream. | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway645 Posts
On June 08 2021 19:43 IntoTheWow wrote: *outscar derails the thread* Some users: "We prefer Nyoken & Scan" It wasn't "We prefer Nyoken & Scan" thought, it was lenghtly posts describing how awfull casters they are to the point of people having the mute the stream. | ||
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32273 Posts
On June 08 2021 22:18 Timebon3s wrote: It wasn't "We prefer Nyoken & Scan" thought, it was lenghtly posts describing how awfull casters they are to the point of people having the mute the stream. Fact: outscar was the first one to mention tastosis, tasteless or artosis casting on the thread and derail it. Then goes on to say people are derailing the thread. More a subjective point: after outscars post I counted positive 13 posts talking about how they enjoyed Nyoken and/or Scans commentary. An additional 2-3 posts made more of a comparison to Tastosis... which I guess one can be seen as really critic of how they cast (but cataloguing it as "hate" makes me chuckle a bit). You are free to do your own tally. I think even they people who are more critic of Tasteless or Artosis casting bring good points and don't mean it as disrespect, but of reasons on why they prefer one over the other. People don't hate on Scan when they mentioned his english pronunciation or repeating the same phrases, even if they mentioned those things in previous threads. Please do quote the many posts describing "awful casters" and the many mentions of muting the stream. | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway645 Posts
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Piste
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Peeano
Netherlands4893 Posts
I respect all BW fans, some just more or a bit less than others. After writing my rant I reviewed it many times, thought about it again and again, even edited it a bit so it didn't feel too much like straight up Tastosis bashing, but ultimately I decided to post my rant. If I had written all complaints about Tastosis I should have written a blog, but then it would have either reached no1 or would have quickly turned into a shit throwing fest, where people would deem me to hate Tastosis. And that is simply not true. I just lost some respect for them over the years, caused by their own actions. I guess that frustrates me a bit, because they're still by far the biggest names in the scene regarding English casters. I want to be able to enjoy them, but I simply can't. I also don't care much to support them, because unless they become crazy rich, I bet you they will disappear again as quickly as they re-appeared if BW can't sustain them. In the absence of Tastosis, I've always encouraged English casters + Show Spoiler + (even fucking RaPiD, omegalol) Finally to Outscar: what you wrote was merely the final straw that broke me, so don't feel bad about it. | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands4893 Posts
On June 09 2021 00:02 Piste wrote: I think we're lucky to have two pairs of awesome english casters for ASL. Definitely! | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On June 08 2021 06:15 outscar wrote: What outscar actually wrote:I only pointed out that I wanted them back to watch them live On June 06 2021 21:37 outscar wrote: Hey Kevin the GOAT CEO, how about you will make Tastosis stream comeback next ASL? We wanna watch english commentary live pls. That's right, he denied the existence of an excellent English cast provided entirely for free. Which provoked the reactions in support of said existing free casters, but apparently that's too much. How obnoxious. | ||
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ruhtraeel
Canada117 Posts
I appreciated the production quality in Tastosis' casts, with the full translations of interviews and on-screen graphics, since Scan often couldn't keep up with accurate word to word translations in real time. I ended up first watching the Scan/Nyoken videos, then skimming through the highlights/reactions of Tastosis and any interviews that were missed in the Scan/Nyoken videos. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On that note, congrats to Larva. As someone who cheered for him in the past, it was great to see him finally win an ASL after years and years of practice. He did great in that last game but reading the situation and pulling off that hatch to counter the incoming block. Now if only Mini can win an ASL and I'll be a happy fan. As for the casters, I enjoyed Nyoken and Scan's casting and hope they will cast in the next ASL. If not, then I may have to step up to the plate myself  On June 08 2021 11:00 Timebon3s wrote: Keep in mind that this is an extremely elitist site. If you take a look at Tastosis’ YouTube uploads from this ASL, you see tens of thousands of views within minutes of the upload, and the YouTube comments are very positive. You don’t have to be extremely knowledgeable about the game to enjoy watching it, and their cast is better IMO for more casual viewer, while hardcore bw fans would naturally appreciate Nyoken and Scans in depth casting. This place has always been hard on commentators anyway, so don’t read too much into it. What personally annoyed me is the delay of the videos without any communication to the community of why it’s so delayed, especially since they got over 10k from said community. It wouldn’t have killed them to make an announcement of some sort. Feels lazy. you may be exaggerating just a tad there mate. It's true that their vods get up to the tens of thousands, but it's absolutely false to claim they get tens of thousands within minutes lol. | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
On June 08 2021 11:02 Timebon3s wrote: Same here. Found it on Afreeca: https://m.afreecatv.com/dth03119/video/13226099/73482232/home Thank you very much for this. The Youtube VODs got struck in Japan for a music copyright. | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
FYI, does anyone know who did the production value for Tastosis? In particular, someone subtitled all of the portions where Korean players are speaking. Scan isn't an interpreter and he clearly struggled in the mix of following Korean speakers and being able to translate it to English. Even more, someone translated the middle parts between ads where they do funny little interviews with the players, which Scan and Nyoken ignored. It's doubly interesting because Nyoken references at several points during ASL 11 that he's taking Korean classes. I feel like Artosis and Tasteless are both pretty open that they do not speak Korean beyond basics but maybe I'm wrong about that. | ||
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ColdLava
Canada1673 Posts
Just loving that Larva won - you can tell he doesn't have quite the skillset of the people who were actually pros back in the day (I believe he was a practice player for SKT1?). His gameplay just isn't quite as clean, and he might lose the odd unit here and there. His money spikes up sometimes (though that's more common with zerg). But, is he ever a smart player or what? It seems he has an ability that Savior had which is he can utilize his army in a way that manipulates how his opponent uses theirs, utilizing that when he needs to delay to get defense, or utilizing that to get a good flank, etc. It's like watching controlled chaos. Larva's army movement is fun to watch on the mini-map, too. Was also just super impressed with how often he'd have the right defense at the right time at the right place, or the right tech come out at the right time. Or how well he scouted, too. And with the passion he has, it's so well deserved. | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway645 Posts
On June 11 2021 08:34 BigFan wrote: This finals was quite something. Really back and forth and the way each player would take 2 games then the other would do the same was nutty. The games imo were great fun. Game 6 in particular was pure art. The reaver shots and micro were phenomenal. The timing, the risk, everything that Mini did was great. It's too bad that he ended up losing game 7, but I do hope to see him winning an ASL soon. The protoss race needs another champion! On that note, congrats to Larva. As someone who cheered for him in the past, it was great to see him finally win an ASL after years and years of practice. He did great in that last game but reading the situation and pulling off that hatch to counter the incoming block. Now if only Mini can win an ASL and I'll be a happy fan. As for the casters, I enjoyed Nyoken and Scan's casting and hope they will cast in the next ASL. If not, then I may have to step up to the plate myself you may be exaggerating just a tad there mate. It's true that their vods get up to the tens of thousands, but it's absolutely false to claim they get tens of thousands within minutes lol. Ok within hours then! Just trying to hype up bw a bit :p | ||
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oxKnu
1158 Posts
On June 11 2021 18:09 ColdLava wrote: Late to the game but I was watching via tastosis on Afreeca's YT channel. Just loving that Larva won - you can tell he doesn't have quite the skillset of the people who were actually pros back in the day (I believe he was a practice player for SKT1?). His gameplay just isn't quite as clean, and he might lose the odd unit here and there. His money spikes up sometimes (though that's more common with zerg). But, is he ever a smart player or what? It seems he has an ability that Savior had which is he can utilize his army in a way that manipulates how his opponent uses theirs, utilizing that when he needs to delay to get defense, or utilizing that to get a good flank, etc. It's like watching controlled chaos. Larva's army movement is fun to watch on the mini-map, too. Was also just super impressed with how often he'd have the right defense at the right time at the right place, or the right tech come out at the right time. Or how well he scouted, too. And with the passion he has, it's so well deserved. Ehhh, I would, doubt that quite a bit. It's no secret that relative to his peers, Larva is on the weaker side when it comes to microing his units but his macro ability is all-time spectacular. What are you even talking about.. Just in general, Zergs at their peak in the last few years have been far more impressive than the random clusterfuck you would see sometimes in the 08-12 era. Meta-wise, also Zerg is the race that has had the most innovation out of all. | ||
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ajmbek
Italy460 Posts
I watched almost all the games of the season from theyr channel, but I think I will shitch. | ||
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crbox
Canada1180 Posts
Finally Larva has a championship. Long overdue, such a great player. | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3093 Posts
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Timebon3s
Norway645 Posts
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thislooksgreat1
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flashimba
225 Posts
On June 06 2021 22:41 Peeano wrote: Seeing all this Tastosis talk on TL, it would color them well if they inform their fanbase a bit better about TL and BW's community. Tastosis may be big fans of BW, but they're mainly in it for the money (which is not too surprising, as casting is their profession). The latter being very apparent when they first started casting BW again and didn't even know what half of the units are called anymore, nor had any idea about how the game is played. It was really painful to watch, especially since Tasteless' casting on GomTV is what got me hooked me on watching Korean BW back in the day. I for one really enjoyed Nyoken and Scan's casting. They understand the game at a very high level and are also well informed with the almost all of BW's history, unlike Tastosis. It feels like Tastosis are just doing their thing in their own bubble, only interested in promoting their own brand. I even saw Tasteless streaming himself playing BW during the live ASL Final. That felt really awkward to say the least, kinda disrespectful actually. I really needed to get that off of my chest. /end rant Lol... if this post was edited to not be inflammatory, I shudder to think what the original was like. "I even saw Tasteless streaming himself playing BW during the live ASL Final. That felt really awkward to say the least, kinda disrespectful actually. I really needed to get that off of my chest." What would you suggest he do? Watch the ASL finals before he cast it? | ||
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Rojam
Germany234 Posts
On June 12 2021 02:09 flashimba wrote: Lol... if this post was edited to not be inflammatory, I shudder to think what the original was like. "I even saw Tasteless streaming himself playing BW during the live ASL Final. That felt really awkward to say the least, kinda disrespectful actually. I really needed to get that off of my chest." What would you suggest he do? Watch the ASL finals before he cast it? First off, congrats to Larva, really happy that he won! Saw that FlaSh farewell video and he actually kept his promise! Now...after reading through the thread, I'm actually surprised as well what is getting written about Tastosis. They're mainly in it for the money? Wow, what a disrespectful thing to write about people who have been a big part of this game for so so long. | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On June 11 2021 14:12 coverpunch wrote: FYI, does anyone know who did the production value for Tastosis? In particular, someone subtitled all of the portions where Korean players are speaking. Scan isn't an interpreter and he clearly struggled in the mix of following Korean speakers and being able to translate it to English. Even more, someone translated the middle parts between ads where they do funny little interviews with the players, which Scan and Nyoken ignored. Probably AfreecaTV did it, and of course i'm not an interpreter. Although I'm sure I translated most of the part when Korean speakers were doing their interviews. I've watched some of old ASL English commentary, a person who was translating what the players were saying dropped irrelevant stuff or even not mentioning about important parts. They don't have time for everything. So please don't put a comment like I translated badly. I feel unappreciated. | ||
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Miragee
8477 Posts
On June 12 2021 06:03 LaStScan wrote: Probably AfreecaTV did it, and of course i'm not an interpreter. Although I'm sure I translated most of the part when Korean speakers were doing their interviews. I've watched some of old ASL English commentary, a person who was translating what the players were saying dropped irrelevant stuff or even not mentioning about important parts. They don't have time for everything. So please don't put a comment like I translated badly. I feel unappreciated. Don't, you did a really good job! Translating on the fly and speaking while another person is already continuing to speak (which you also need to translate) is freaking hard. Very different to sub-titling, which is not hard, just time-consuming. | ||
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ColdLava
Canada1673 Posts
On June 11 2021 22:02 oxKnu wrote: Ehhh, I would, doubt that quite a bit. It's no secret that relative to his peers, Larva is on the weaker side when it comes to microing his units but his macro ability is all-time spectacular. What are you even talking about.. Just in general, Zergs at their peak in the last few years have been far more impressive than the random clusterfuck you would see sometimes in the 08-12 era. Meta-wise, also Zerg is the race that has had the most innovation out of all. Skill level was probably not the best way to put it, maybe "polish" was a better term. But I think you can surmise what I mean by reading my post - he's not the cleanest looking player in terms of how he plays, but he makes up for it by having a very good strategical feel for the game. Obviously his macro is ridiculous, he wouldn't be able to win an ASL without that. | ||
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fgt4w
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Starecat
934 Posts
While on Scan stream there is more about the game. I will be watching both as Brood War and SC2 are quite slow for sad reasons. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11046 Posts
Good Series. Disappointing end but Larva was always going to be tricky for mini to deal with. Hoping for that PvZ revolution still. Weak ASL compared to the past. Feel like we had more bad series than normal but tbh we had some ridiculous ASLs last year so some mean reversion could be expected. Really enjoyed having both casts. Both are did well and provide something different. Tastosis for me is just more fun to play in the background and just be part of the general experience. Nyoken and Scan imo have *the* definitive cast of Mini V Larva. They are really tapped into all the details. Scan is getting quite smooth as well. Glad both are supported. Enjoyed their work collectively. | ||
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Barneyk
Sweden305 Posts
On June 12 2021 07:21 ColdLava wrote: Skill level was probably not the best way to put it, maybe "polish" was a better term. But I think you can surmise what I mean by reading my post - he's not the cleanest looking player in terms of how he plays, but he makes up for it by having a very good strategical feel for the game. Obviously his macro is ridiculous, he wouldn't be able to win an ASL without that. Sure, this is mostly true. But he did out-micro Hero in their match several times as well though. He is a well deserved champion, he completely read the timing of Minis fake cannon rush in game 1 and then he did a great job obfuscating and hiding his 2 hatch hydra. He didn't over-commit his hydra bust in game 2 but just picked off +1 and Mini wasted so many zealots for nothing there. With that lead he had a massive advantage and Mini almost made a comeback but Larva did really well! It was great to have the subtitles on the Tastosis casts and I hope they can streamline the production more moving forward and that we get the ASTL casted as well! Great job by Nyoken and Scan doing the live commentary, I wish there was some way to get a bit more of that deeper tactical insight into the Tastosis production. But either way, this turned out way better than I expected when I first heard the news that Afreeca dropped the English cast for ASL. | ||
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ColdLava
Canada1673 Posts
On June 12 2021 17:11 Barneyk wrote: Sure, this is mostly true. But he did out-micro Hero in their match several times as well though. He is a well deserved champion, he completely read the timing of Minis fake cannon rush in game 1 and then he did a great job obfuscating and hiding his 2 hatch hydra. He didn't over-commit his hydra bust in game 2 but just picked off +1 and Mini wasted so many zealots for nothing there. With that lead he had a massive advantage and Mini almost made a comeback but Larva did really well! I totally agree! | ||
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H0l0
7 Posts
Otherwise I think they are fine and they have a good casual vibe which Scan+Nyoken doesn't have. Pick whichever you prefer, you don't have to fight about it. | ||
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Gescom
Canada3334 Posts
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
Mini doing some really interesting greedy builds, hopefully some other pros start emulating what he is doing. That said, I wonder how he would handle a player just deciding to aggressively punish every game. Muta/scourge play feels kinda weak against what mini was doing; is that just a result of Larva's control against double stargate corsair or is there really no good way to play muta/scourge into 2 sg? | ||
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Zaibakk
101 Posts
I'm just so happy for Larva! Keep fighting and long live this amazing game that is StarCraft! | ||
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Amanebak
Czech Republic528 Posts
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johanes
Czech Republic2227 Posts
On June 13 2021 06:20 Amanebak wrote: Will Scan and Nyoken cast of the finals be available on Youtube? Already is! | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands4893 Posts
On June 13 2021 06:20 Amanebak wrote: Will Scan and Nyoken cast of the finals be available on Youtube? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OlBWtErplI | ||
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RogerChillingworth
2827 Posts
I do love Tastosis but, in their going solo--or i guess duo--it does feel like a lot of self-promo and some forced entrepreneurialisms--much more so obviously than when they were officially employed by Afreeca. The casting is good overall, but inconsistent from match to match. Depending on how much heavy food Tasteless ate, maybe. I really loved their group A cast in the ro16, but some days they seem bored. Or that the results got spoiled or the timecode gave it away, or they were just not feeling it that day. Sometimes it seems like they're just going through the motions. I guess making $14K/month makes you go "holy shit! Let's fucking keep this going!" and colors the brand a little bit? I might have to give Scan and Nyoken a shot. I appreciate I get to watch the English streams. Still love Tastosis, and I imagine they'll continue to improve the cast. And not make too much exclusive-to-patreon content. The "twitch only" king of the hill already feels a little weird to me. ;\ | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2384 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6509 Posts
I dont really get what you guys complain about ? You are unhappy Tastosis is making money from casting ASL ? is that the issue here ? I find more strange that Teamliquid host TSL 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 only for sc2 and not a single one for Brood war. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/64jayrf.jpg) Sorry for taking such a bad picture Artosis xD. | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2384 Posts
Eonzerg said: I dont really get what you guys complain about ? You are unhappy Tastosis is making money from casting ASL ? is that the issue here ? To be clear, I wasn't complaining. I find Tastosis hilarious. I was offering a potential explanation that was not "they lost their passion / they're forcing it." | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1669 Posts
No matter whether you are team Tastosis or Team Scan Nyoken, it is absolutely disgusting seeing you all complain about either group providing us great content. If you BW elitists want more insight, then go enjoy Scan and Nyoken. They are great. If you want comedy and something you can enjoy with your whole family who may not been into BW like the hard-core fan base but love their chemistry then watch Tastosis. You don't have to bash either side for liking something. Its called a fucking opinion I'm done reading this thread I really really hope Scan nyoken or tastosis all don't read this thread it's disgraceful | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands4893 Posts
On June 14 2021 15:20 ShowTheLights wrote: You all are so fucking ungrateful No matter whether you are team Tastosis or Team Scan Nyoken, it is absolutely disgusting seeing you all complain about either group providing us great content. If you BW elitists want more insight, then go enjoy Scan and Nyoken. They are great. If you want comedy and something you can enjoy with your whole family who may not been into BW like the hard-core fan base but love their chemistry then watch Tastosis. You don't have to bash either side for liking something. Its called a fucking opinion I'm done reading this thread I really really hope Scan nyoken or tastosis all don't read this thread it's disgraceful Having critique isn't being ungrateful. I doubt anyone here is. I posted a rant much like you're doing. I don't really see people bashing either duo's fanbase. And yes, both caster duos are great in their own way. Why wouldn't they read it? They could get some perspective from it or just have a good chuckle. Kinda ironic how this LR thread keeps getting bumped on an off-topic discussion I already apologized for 6 days ago. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria3734 Posts
It's completely ok for people to either like or dislike all or any of that, and if they have criticism they should voice it. I'm starting to prefer Scan/Nyoken because I listen to BW commentary not for the jokes (although I think lighthearted fun being sprinkled in is a plus) but mainly for the theoretical analysis. The game is interesting enough without insightful commentary, but I think it makes it just so much better when things get pointed out during the game by experienced players that I wouldn't have noticed by myself. I'm missing that from Tastosis, because they don't seem to have improved on their insights lately. The game at the top level contains many detailed aspects that I don't notice, and the players also have different approaches that I can't all keep track off. That's why I want to be fed additional information by the commentators, with some luck it's things that I've missed. | ||
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orth0dox
28 Posts
On June 14 2021 16:20 Peeano wrote: Kinda ironic how this LR thread keeps getting bumped on an off-topic discussion I already apologized for 6 days ago. By writing short offhand remark that incites multipage holy war, congratulations, you're now officially master troll. | ||
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Amanebak
Czech Republic528 Posts
Thank you all. | ||
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H0l0
7 Posts
On June 14 2021 22:59 Magic Powers wrote: Tastosis have been joking around a lot more and trimming down on the analysis, this has been true for years. That's not bashing them, that's a factual observation. It's also a factual observation that Tasteless' understanding of the game has been less accurate and sometimes out-of-date since he came back to BW, even going so far as to forget or mix up terminology. Artosis' theoretical analysis has been better overall, but subjectively speaking I'd say it's been stagnant. Both of them have been more focused on commenting around the game rather than on the game compared to the old days. It's completely ok for people to either like or dislike all or any of that, and if they have criticism they should voice it. I'm starting to prefer Scan/Nyoken because I listen to BW commentary not for the jokes (although I think lighthearted fun being sprinkled in is a plus) but mainly for the theoretical analysis. The game is interesting enough without insightful commentary, but I think it makes it just so much better when things get pointed out during the game by experienced players that I wouldn't have noticed by myself. I'm missing that from Tastosis, because they don't seem to have improved on their insights lately. The game at the top level contains many detailed aspects that I don't notice, and the players also have different approaches that I can't all keep track off. That's why I want to be fed additional information by the commentators, with some luck it's things that I've missed. This. I'm grateful for both content in these post-apocalyptic days of brood war but I still think it's ok to express some criticism. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On June 14 2021 15:20 ShowTheLights wrote: You all are so fucking ungrateful No matter whether you are team Tastosis or Team Scan Nyoken, it is absolutely disgusting seeing you all complain about either group providing us great content. If you BW elitists want more insight, then go enjoy Scan and Nyoken. They are great. If you want comedy and something you can enjoy with your whole family who may not been into BW like the hard-core fan base but love their chemistry then watch Tastosis. You don't have to bash either side for liking something. Its called a fucking opinion I'm done reading this threrad I really really hope Scan nyoken or tastosis all don't read this thread it's disgraceful What's disgusting is your portrayal of encouraging and enjoying their Nyoken's and Scan's cast instead of your own favourite as bashing. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4122 Posts
On June 14 2021 16:20 Peeano wrote: Having critique isn't being ungrateful. I doubt anyone here is. I posted a rant much like you're doing. I don't really see people bashing either duo's fanbase. And yes, both caster duos are great in their own way. Why wouldn't they read it? They could get some perspective from it or just have a good chuckle. Kinda ironic how this LR thread keeps getting bumped on an off-topic discussion I already apologized for 6 days ago. Just catching up on this thread and I had to respond after seeing your post, your rant could not have been more wrong. Firstly no one in the BW community is in it for money. Secondly it is no surprise they didn't cover the BW scene when SC2 was around because their employer literally switched games and even most BW pros switched over during that period. Thirdly, they have to sustain their living in Korea somehow, they are doing this cast based on love for the game but you might as well get something back for doing it and looking by their support received, the community is more than happy to do so. Lastly Tastosis (especially Artosis) is doing more for the BW foreign scene through his stream than anyone has over the past 2 years. Anyway hope you get more background information on this. We should just be happy BW is alive and well in 2021! | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands4893 Posts
I never faulted Tastosis for their career choices and of course money plays an important role, it's hard to sustain a life on just passion lol. If anyone did A LOT for the foreign BW scene over the past 2 years it would be Mr. Bombastic and his comrades and also TL's BW staff, most particularly BLinD-RawR. (I'd love to see more people pay their respects to this amazing guy btw.) It's clear we have a different perspective, but that's not by lack of background information on my end. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36996 Posts
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whaski
Finland576 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On June 16 2021 05:29 whaski wrote: So all in all Mini did not change big picture, Protoss as a race is struggling heavily online (except Bisu) and Zerg is overall strongest with current league mappool. https://sponbbang.com/race/?month1=2021-05&month2=2021-06&bj= I love how, as soon as the “who’s the best English-speaking BW casting team” debate gets shut down, you go and bring up the state of PvZ. Props to you, my friend. May the thread prosper. | ||
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Miragee
8477 Posts
On June 17 2021 14:52 Djabanete wrote: I love how, as soon as the “who’s the best English-speaking BW casting team” debate gets shut down, you go and bring up the state of PvZ. Props to you, my friend. May the thread prosper. To be fair, his own source already disproved one of his claims? | ||
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whaski
Finland576 Posts
On June 17 2021 14:52 Djabanete wrote: I love how, as soon as the “who’s the best English-speaking BW casting team” debate gets shut down, you go and bring up the state of PvZ. Props to you, my friend. May the thread prosper. I didn't mean to rant about balance, but to discuss aftermath of what could have been a change of pvz. | ||
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MountainDewJunkie
United States10340 Posts
He was very emotional with the result of each game, so much more than Larva. It was not the un-shakable mini we saw versus Queen, who tilted his head a few time after a botched cannon rush into rolling in the semifinals. And then the decision to proxy-gate in game seven... With everything on the line, all your PvZ prowess, you go for that? Props to Larva for not tilting when the going got tough, versus both Rush and Mini. | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2384 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On June 17 2021 14:52 Djabanete wrote: I love how, as soon as the “who’s the best English-speaking BW casting team” debate gets shut down, you go and bring up the state of PvZ. Props to you, my friend. May the thread prosper. hahahahahaha On June 18 2021 10:48 MountainDewJunkie wrote: I've watched this series thrice. My belief is that Mini basically out-thought himself and lost confidence. Namely, he had these critical, intensely-calculated timing windows he exploited against Queen, then assumed Larva would adapt to it and rolled out some head-scratchers. "I know this, but I know that YOU know that I know that if I open with this..." He was very emotional with the result of each game, so much more than Larva. It was not the un-shakable mini we saw versus Queen, who tilted his head a few time after a botched cannon rush into rolling in the semifinals. And then the decision to proxy-gate in game seven... With everything on the line, all your PvZ prowess, you go for that? Props to Larva for not tilting when the going got tough, versus both Rush and Mini. hmm interesting point. That's the downside his tricky playstyle i guess. Every time you do a trick you expose yourself | ||
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reincremate
China2213 Posts
Either that or we got a resurrected Kong line lolz | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2384 Posts
On June 18 2021 18:21 reincremate wrote: He may make overt displays of tiltedness on camera, but I have faith in Mini. If this era of BW has shown us anything, it's that even players previously considered perennial chokers can build the mental fortitude needed to become a champion. Hell, Mini's already come super close so many times now, and that's despite being only 27 years old with military service done. It'd be weird if he didn't win a title in the next couple of years, especially with Flash gone. + Show Spoiler + Either that or we got a resurrected Kong line lolz This is also a good point. Getting very emotional after losses doesn't necessarily mean you're not operating at 100% in the next game, that's a bit of an assumption. | ||
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